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Replacement GM thread

Thorn said:
If the new GM signed five o-linemen in free agency and then used all three 3rd round picks on o-linemen, some of yall would still be bitching.
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Depends on who the OL are.

Give me Pugh/Richburg/Nsheke/Waddle in FA

Crosby/Noteboom/Parker or Crabtree in the draft and I would be a very happy Texans fan.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Caserio seems like the most qualified candidate.

Gaine seems like the most likely hire given his familiarity with the organization/OB. The Mcnairs and OB like their guys and that is Gaine more than anybody else.
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Caserio and Obrien worked together in New England, so he is familiar with him as well
 
infantrycak said:
I asked a question. And did so after you made an issue of familiarity with the types of players.
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If you reread my post, you will find that I only stated that they would be of the same mentality to be on the same page.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Nick Caserio of the Pats would be the top of my list. No doubt he would be on the same page with his HC as far sharing the same mentality of how and with which type of players could build this franchise back up.
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I made no mention of which specific type of players or scheme...........just that they would share the same mentality going forward...............i.e. "alignment."
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Let's not forget the major faux pas Ed Reed and the Schaub/Keenum situation (although I agreed with playing Keenum).
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Was it McNair's decision to pursue Reed, or did he just help in the courting of? It seems there's not a ton of first hand evidence of meddling. What goes on in the "board meetings" might be a different story, I'm not sure.
steelbtexan said:
Give me Pugh/Richburg/Nsheke/Waddle in FA
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You want 2 guys off an o-line considered worse than the Texans?
 
From the Boston Herald:

Patriots notebook: Nick Caserio, Monti Ossenfort attracting interest
Karen Guregian Wednesday, January 03, 2018

Members of the Patriots front office and coaching staff are going to be busy this week multi-tasking. Not only are coordinators Josh McDaniels (New York Giants, Indianapolis, Chicago) Matt Patricia (Detroit, Arizona) and linebackers coach Brian Flores (Arizona) expected to be interviewed for head coaching vacancies, but director of player personnel Nick Caserio and director of college scouting Monti Ossenfort also are expected to receive interest from the Houston Texans for their general manager job, according to an NFL Media report.

During a conference call yesterday, Bill Belichick was asked about Caserio, who serves many roles beyond being the point man with personnel. He’s at practice, providing another arm, and he’s in the pressbox during games giving Belichick and McDaniels another set of eyes to spot things with the offense.

“In Nick’s case, he directs everybody else in the college and the pros, coordinating those things with the coaching staff,” Belichick said. “It’s good to have continuity and consistency in those areas. We know there’s turnover in this league and there’s turnover in this team. When those things happen, we take the appropriate steps and try to put a competitive product on the field.”
 
Jerome Solomon with another one of his expected negative presentations.

Don't count on Texans getting key hire right
By Jerome Solomon, Houston Chronicle
January 3, 2018 Updated: January 3, 2018 8:32pm

Extending coach Bill O'Brien's contract - which has one year left - would be a mistake for Texans owner Bob McNair, according to Jerome Solomon.

The first time I broached the subject of Rick Smith's removal as general manager of the Texans was after the 2010 season.

Well, seven years later, he is stepping down, albeit under unfortunate circumstances, as he is taking a leave of absence to tend to family matters as his wife Tiffany recovers from breast cancer treatment.

This opens the door for Bob McNair to make a home-run hire that could lift the organization to its first Super Bowl.

More likely, McNair will blow it again.

And McNair's health issues, which have played a role in his being less visible this season, probably won't help matte
One would think that after 16 years of watching other teams get it right, McNair would now have a better understanding of what it takes to win in the NFL.

He has definitely learned the business lessons from the likes of Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones. The Houston Texans franchise is stable and profitable.

On the field, however, the team has spent more time at the bottom of the standings than the top - four first-place finishes, eight last-place finishes - with its overall NFL standing somewhere in the middle.

McNair says he isn't happy about that, but his actions say otherwise.

How else would Smith, who has been average to somewhat good as a general manager, have lasted 12 seasons? Not only did he last that long, but he says he plans to be back as an executive vice president in a year, holding a title that presumably would rank above whomever McNair hires as general manager in the next couple of weeks.

Were McNair truly concerned about moving up from the Texans' middle-of-the-road status, he wouldn't be looking at hiring a first-time general manager.

Yes, there is a chance a rookie GM could come in and light the world on fire, but more likely the new kid on the block would stumble early on when charged with making decisions for the first time.


Window to contend

THE REST OR THE STORY
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Yes, the basic premise is that there are 32 of these jobs in the world with no more than 4 to 6 available at any given time. More people will take the opportunity to at least interview when asked versus trying to wait out for the perfect spot or situation. congrats and good luck to those who bet on themselves.

Why is the Texans job any worse opportunity to fail than Browns or bills or some other team that has not even had the "success" the Texans have displayed? My belief is that it is not. If there all second and third tier candidates who get interviewed then we have something to discuss.

since you originally posted the Texans (McNair) has clarified he is searching for a full-time GM that reports directly to the ownership group. His hints indicate also that he is not waiting on rick smith's return in any capacity.
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This is something I'm starting to come around to believing. It's hard for me to consider the circumstances for the leave of absence and not think "Well, McNair's a cancer survivor and he's close to Rick Smith so obviously he's going to let him go and come back" but the way they've been talking over the past two or three days in the press I'm starting to feel like this is also an opportunity for the McNair's to maybe move him out of the GM spot and in their minds it's already permanent.

I'm thinking now that just because they like him and he's close to their family that doesn't necessarily mean that they are thrilled with the job he's done or not open to the idea of kicking him up the ladder. Maybe they like the cap management and contract negotiation side of what he's done but aren't thrilled with the talent evaluation aspect of how he's done his job. Being close to an employee can make it harder to fire them or move them out of a job they enjoy and think they're good at. While it's crazy to say that anyone would make up an excuse like "Wife fighting breast cancer" out of thin air to justify changing GM's it could be that his need to take some time for his family provided the McNair's an opportunity to fix a broken situation. By doing the right thing for Rick as well as the right thing for the team they get to keep a close friend and valued employee in the organization and upgrade the GM position at the same time.

McNair sounds like he's looking for a better personnel man who O'Brien can work with.

Now we can speculate whether O'Brien is worth extending but the Texans appear dead set on extending him so that's probably going to happen which tells me that the guy coming in is going to be the GM going forward and Rick has a job with the team if he wants to come back to it but it won't be as GM.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Caserio seems like the most qualified candidate.

Gaine seems like the most likely hire given his familiarity with the organization/OB. The Mcnairs and OB like their guys and that is Gaine more than anybody else.
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Gaine has interviewed with a bunch of teams and no one hired him; red flag to me
 
Based on my limited previous knowledge, and some newly acquired research and looking at these guys and their history, my own order of who I hope is hired as GM (based on what who has been most frequently mentioned) -

Caserio
Gutekunst
Ossenfort
Gaines
Raye

I'd be really excited about Caserio, and the same can be said for Gutekunst on a slightly lesser basis. I could even be excited about Ossenfort. After him, it falls considerably to Gaines who I am very, very, "meh" about, and Raye I'm just flat out opposed to.

Based on the Milquetoast history of the McNairs who like to try and hit home runs by bunting to the 3rd baseman and hoping for a 3 bag error on the way around the bases - my take is they hire Gaines. It's got McNair written all over it. A guy they know with previous history in the building. Quality guy. Safe choice. Back to baseball - he's that guy that bats 7th in the lineup - hits for a 250 average, decent bunter, and can move runners over, but he hits maybe 3 HR's a year and his glove is just ok. But hey, he's been in the lineup for a long time and can be trusted not to blow it and the manager says he's good in the clubhouse. No sense in trying to sign Aaron Judge or anything. He's a nice, safe Milquetoast choice who will just be another McNair yes sir, no sir, Tobie. In other words, he is perfect for the McNair's and is just another RS wearing a different suit.

I hope I am wrong and either Caserio or Gutekunst is the hire. Then I would actually start to believe the McNair rhetoric of wanting to put a winner on the field. If it's Gaines, or for God's sake - Raye, then I'll know those words are just more hollow empty sloginism. As long as the seats are filled and the beer taps moving, the McNair's seem to be content.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Rick seems to be full of himself because he acted like he'll be back cause he's RS .
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He did seem to overly emphasize the “this is not a period - this is a comma. I will be back.” statement in his press announcement.

My heart goes out to him and his family. I hope everything goes well.

But I couldn’t help but laugh when he said “ I will be back” because I kept thinking to myself “he will be back like a bad case of herpes.”
 
TheKDog said:
Sure sounds to me like OBrien and Rick are both getting stripped of power over personnel
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Obrien never had power over personnel. the way mcnair stated is exactly how it was before. the gm makes all the personnel decisions, Obrien is just in charge of who from the 53 goes to the 46 man game day roster.
 
Shishkabob said:
Obrien never had power over personnel. the way mcnair stated is exactly how it was before. the gm makes all the personnel decisions, Obrien is just in charge of who from the 53 goes to the 46 man game day roster.
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BS. We have not had the conventional hierarchy. But if you've ignored all the statements by all 3 (McNair, RS & OB), Hard Knocks and OB's contract until now, you'll continue to do so.
 
Shishkabob said:
Obrien never had power over personnel. the way mcnair stated is exactly how it was before. the gm makes all the personnel decisions, Obrien is just in charge of who from the 53 goes to the 46 man game day roster.
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It's pretty clear OBrien often got the guys he wanted. He has stated that several times
 
infantrycak said:
BS. We have not had the conventional hierarchy. But if you've ignored all the statements by all 3 (McNair, RS & OB), Hard Knocks and OB's contract until now, you'll continue to do so.
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please show me obriens contract that gives him control over personnel. the reporters who follow the team have stated numerous times other wise. but yes please keep talking like you know more than everyone else
 
You want 2 guys off an o-line considered worse than the Texans?[/QUOTE]

Pugh isn't worse, he's actually a very good and versatile guy.

Richburg was a very good center who had experience playing OG. He got hurt last yr early in the season. (IR) If his health checks out and CND approved, LOL I would sign him up in a heartbeat
 
Nobody has access to Rick's or Bill's contracts that I'm aware of so the only thing we have to go on is what the Texans are willing to tell us or what some of them are willing to leak. Rick has spoken of trading up to go get a guy the coaches wanted. I know I've heard that. When the players are ours and there is no going back they close ranks and everybody wanted that guy and is happy to have him.

This does make me wonder though if Rick has done this in the past then what's the problem? Must be a few instances where he didn't move up to get that guy or pushed for a guy of his own. They must have disagreed over something but when it comes to player acquisitions I'm hard pressed to see what Bill O'Brien could do (other than simply not playing someone Rick went out and got) to fire back at Rick Smith.

I wish I knew which ones Rick moved on for Bill O'Brien and which ones OB wanted and Rick didn't make an effort (or enough of an effort in OB's mind) to get. It would be so much easier if each guy on draft day had a "RS" or "BO" next to his name.
 
Shishkabob said:
please show me obriens contract that gives him control over personnel. the reporters who follow the team have stated numerous times other wise. but yes please keep talking like you know more than everyone else
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Half second Google search top result to show you wrong:

Based on his contract, O’Brien has control of the 53-man roster. As he himself stated in the opening scene of Hard Knocks, he wanted all 90 guys who opened camp with the team. This team has O’Brien’s stamp on it, and it’s an ugly stamp right now.
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Link

Hervoyel said:
This does make me wonder though if Rick has done this in the past then what's the problem? Must be a few instances where he didn't move up to get that guy or pushed for a guy of his own.
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Well you can't always make a trade, price too high, player gets nabbed early, etc.

We have one very good look at Texans' drafting dynamic - JJ Watt. I know, under Kubiak but we have no reason to believe it's different.

Everyone was in agreement to trade up to get Patrick Peterson. RS had a trade in place to go get him. He got taken 1 spot ahead. RS turned to Wade & Kubiak and asked if they still wanted the deal to go get Aldon Smith. They said no so the trade didn't happen and they took JJ. Within reason/available options RS worked to get the players the coaches wanted.
 
JB said:
Because a radio talk show host said it makes it fact?
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It was reported all over when he signed. Texian was trumpeting it from the rooftops with links.

That one happened to be on top and happened to counter the 'local guys say otherwise' from shishkabob.

CloakNNNdagger said:
I'd take his words in the context of Rah Rah theater support of his players to get the coaching staff going, not that he personally chose those players.

Opening of Texans HardKnocks
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The 90 and the 53 are 2 different subjects. My contract assertion was about the 53. I assume on paper RS has control of the 90. However, that quote is exactly in line with other statements that they agree on moves.

The Texans have never been described as a traditional hierarchy. In fact steelbtexan has lamented it along with Texian and others on many occasions. It didn't suddenly become one so that y'all can make OB a bystander.
 
Texian has been shouting Elliot Wolf since like 2005, maybe we should endulge the man.

Whomever this new GM is, how he proceeds to build the O-line will be the proof of the puddin'


Tricky Ricky never did care about O-line talent retention or drafting them.
 
infantrycak said:
It was reported all over when he signed. Texian was trumpeting it from the rooftops with links.

That one happened to be on top and happened to counter the 'local guys say otherwise' from shishkabob.



The 90 and the 53 are 2 different subjects. My contract assertion was about the 53. I assume on paper RS has control of the 90. However, that quote is exactly in line with other statements that they agree on moves.

The Texans have never been described as a traditional hierarchy. In fact steelbtexan has lamented it along with Texian and others on many occasions. It didn't suddenly become one so that y'all can make OB a bystander.
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Obrien has control over who plays from the 53 man roster, and I'm sure he has some input with Rick on who should make it. but the final say is and has been Rick smith. do you not remember hard knocks when Obrien was lobbying for Charles James, only to have Rick go but we are trying to get bigger and faster, then we cut James. whatever trash corner we kept flamed out, we cut him a few games in and signed James off the ravens practice squad.

No one here has access to their contracts or to Rick smith or obrien himself to ask, so i havr to trust the oeoole who do. Mclain has stated numerous times that Smith controls all personnel decisions, and Obrien controls who plays per their contract. doesn't mean 1 guy can't lobby for who he wants in a certain scenario and the other guy not listen to him. but when push comes to shove their job descriptions are written down.

also if OB had control over our roster, what would be the cause of his and Smith's toxic relationship?
 
Shishkabob said:
also if OB had control over our roster, what would be the cause of his and Smith's toxic relationship?
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Is the fact that people go onto the roster and people go off, two separate actions, really that difficult?

Smith has final say on who goes on, in the offseason on to the 90 man roster.

OB has final say on who makes the 53.

Still room for friction. McNair wants everyone working to agreement rather than pulling rank. Try searching "boardroom" mentality and see how they don't run standard hierarchy.
 
https://scout.com/nfl/texans/Articl...-to-Hire-Their-New-General-Manager--113174032
The Houston Texans have hired the search firm Korn Ferry, led by Jed Hughes, to cut down the pool of candidates for the team's general manager job. Around 4-6 names are expected to emerge as possibilities. *State of the Texans ran down the early names HERE

There will be a four-person committee to make the hire of the next general manager: team owner Bob McNair, vice chairman and COO Call McNair, head coach Bill O’Brien, and team president Jamey Rootes.


"I would hope in a couple of weeks, two or three weeks, we ought to have our person in place," Bob McNair explained to Houston Fox 26s Mark Berman.


The process has started and reports have vice president of player personnel for the Buffalo Bills, Brian Gaine, slated as one of the first interviews to take place.


Also, the Texans will work on signing O’Brien to an extension after the organization wraps up the general manager search. O’Brien is expected to sign a multi-year extension soon after the new general manager has signed on the dotted line.


"We're going to address that right after we deal with hiring the GM,” McNair continued. “I think that we'll work something out that we're all happy with."


McNair has made it clear that the new general manager will be able to bring in a couple of his own guys but they are not letting a house cleaning of the football operations to take place.


McNair also lined out the job duties of the new general manager.


"The general manager is going to have full authority over personnel, and he’ll report to Cal and me,” McNair stated. “That's our message to potential GMs. We know what we want. We’ll pick somebody that Cal and I like, coach O’Brien likes, and Jamey likes. We pretty much agree on what we’re looking for."

"He'll have the draft and free agency. He'll handle all football operations and sports performance, which is weight room, training room, doctors and nutrition." McNair continued.


Also, McNair put a stamp on former general manager Rick Smith's role with the team moving forward.


“Rick (Smith) needs to take care of his family. Hopefully, they’ll get good results,” McNair remarked, regarding Smith's situation with his wife Tiffany. “Some people have raised the question, if Rick comes back at the end of a year, he’s going to have undue influence on the GM. That’s not the case. Rick might not want to come back."


McNair clearly stated that Smith may not want to come back to the job situation in Houston but they are not worrying about that to this point. They want Smith to take a year away from the franchise and go from there but it is clear Smith is no longer involved in the football side of operations for the Houston Texans
 
It’s nice to read about the topic instead of all the Jimmy G “coulda, shoulda, woulda” man crush bs. He’s with SF, and that’s all there is to it.

With that said, I wonder how that guy from the Pats would do as our GM? I’m a little nervous about Brian Gaine getting the GM spot as it wouldn’t be much of a change. We need a complete overhaul!
 
Mangler said:
It’s nice to read about the topic instead of all the Jimmy G “coulda, shoulda, woulda” man crush bs. He’s with SF, and that’s all there is to it.

With that said, I wonder how that guy from the Pats would do as our GM? I’m a little nervous about Brian Gaine getting the GM spot as it wouldn’t be much of a change. We need a complete overhaul!
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Yep, it's a new era.

They need to overhaul the ST's/OL/DB's. Can the new GM overhaul those 3 areas of the team 1 offseason without 1st and 2nd rd picks? It's doubtful that even if my guy Caserio gets hired he can clean up the mess Ricky left in one offseason.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, it's a new era.

They need to overhaul the ST's/OL/DB's. Can the new GM overhaul those 3 areas of the team 1 offseason without 1st and 2nd rd picks? It's doubtful that even if my guy Caserio gets hired he can clean up the mess Ricky left in one offseason.
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Yeah not happening.

I'm really curious what the candidates say in the interviews. They know it will be a multi-year process.

Will McNair be happy with that answer? Or will he hire the guy who says he can fix it in one year?
 
TheKDog said:
Yeah not happening.

I'm really curious what the candidates say in the interviews. They know it will be a multi-year process.

Will McNair be happy with that answer? Or will he hire the guy who says he can fix it in one year?
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They will tell McNair what he wants to hear if they want job.

Truth be damned
 
TheKDog said:
Yeah not happening.

I'm really curious what the candidates say in the interviews. They know it will be a multi-year process.

Will McNair be happy with that answer? Or will he hire the guy who says he can fix it in one year?
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Well, Kubiak told McNair what he had to in order to get the job. "Sure, we'll take a look at David Carr and see if we can fix him" or something to that effect I imagine. To his credit I'm sure Bob McNair accepted going in that if Kubiak's evaluation came back negative then he would have to let go of his face of the franchise.

I bet that saying he thinks he can right the ship in one year will go a long way toward helping secure the job but I doubt Bob McNair will hold anyone to that. It will probably include the caveat that they'll have to see how much work there is to do and the new GM should be able to give him a more focused answer after they've had time to study the roster.
 
Mangler said:
As part of their search to find a new GM the #Texans are expected to have interest in Will McClay, Cowboys VP/player personnel, and Eagles VP/player personnel Joe Douglas.

9:03 AM - Jan 5, 2018
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McClay has earned a reputation as a not-so-secret weapon for the Cowboys and owner Jerry Jones. He's been widely praised for his work drafting for the Cowboys, spearheading that part of the Cowboys operation for the last four years.

SportsDay Cowboys Insider David Moore pointed to a big feather in Dallas' cap when it comes to McClay: The team doesn't have to allow McClay to talk to the Texans.https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/da...312.866455327.1515171448-959263056.1492351209
Will McClay(born October 13, 1966) is assistant director of player personnel for theDallas Cowboys. Previously, he was head coach of theDallas Desperadosof theArena Football League.Will McClay was born on October 13, 1966 in Memphis, Tennessee but he grew up outside of Houston, TX. He attended Missouri City Jr. High and Marian Christian High School. He went on to play football at Rice University where he earned a bachelor's degree in political science.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_McClay
Will McClay was born on October 13, 1966 in Memphis, Tennessee but he grew up outside of Houston, TX. He attended Missouri City Jr. High and Marian Christian High School. He went on to play football at Rice University where he earned a bachelor's degree in political science.
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IDEXAN said:
McClay has earned a reputation as a not-so-secret weapon for the Cowboys and owner Jerry Jones. He's been widely praised for his work drafting for the Cowboys, spearheading that part of the Cowboys operation for the last four years.

SportsDay Cowboys Insider David Moore pointed to a big feather in Dallas' cap when it comes to McClay: The team doesn't have to allow McClay to talk to the Texans.https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/da...312.866455327.1515171448-959263056.1492351209
Will McClay(born October 13, 1966) is assistant director of player personnel for theDallas Cowboys. Previously, he was head coach of theDallas Desperadosof theArena Football League.Will McClay was born on October 13, 1966 in Memphis, Tennessee but he grew up outside of Houston, TX. He attended Missouri City Jr. High and Marian Christian High School. He went on to play football at Rice University where he earned a bachelor's degree in political science.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_McClay
Will McClay was born on October 13, 1966 in Memphis, Tennessee but he grew up outside of Houston, TX. He attended Missouri City Jr. High and Marian Christian High School. He went on to play football at Rice University where he earned a bachelor's degree in political science.
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You could do alot worse than a guy who graduated from Rice. Even though I believe in bringing a hometown guy home, he would be farther down my list. Although if he hits a homerun during interviews I would hire him.
 
steelbtexan said:
You could do alot worse than a guy who graduated from Rice. Even though I believe in bringing a hometown guy home, he would be farther down my list. Although if he hits a homerun during interviews I would hire him.
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They tell me that Rice is known as the Harvard of the south so I guess that means you are also impressed with Ivy Leauger Bill O'Brien then, right SteelB ?
 
IDEXAN said:
They tell me that Rice is known as the Harvard of the south so I guess that means you are also impressed with Ivy Leauger Bill O'Brien then, right SteelB ?
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Yes,

I like smart people running things.

It gives you a better chance for success.

I also wanted BOB/Ricky both fired and a fresh new start for the Texans org.
 
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