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All encompassing Rick Smith thread

JB said:
I'm all about objectivity


Don't wporry about Bro SteelB...he'll find a new shtick soon enough to keep us all entertained
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I promise to keep on telling it like it is.

It only took 8 yrs and 2 HC's for some to even consider I might be on to something.
 
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welsh texan said:
Look at things objectively and you'll see that there are facets to the job that Rick Smith is good at.

1st round in the draft they haven't made a bad pick for a decade now (giving Johnson and Fuller a pass due to lack of time & injury before judging them). That is some record right there.

He continuously finds good role players and starters late in the draft and via UDFA. You can't knock that.

It's his overall forward planning that has let him down. Kiddie Corners a few years back, failing to even attempt to address the Schaub injury when doc had made the prognosis for his return obvious via this site, let alone the added resources available to the Texans. And failing to address the OL this season when that was obvious 12 months ago.

These are issues that I could have made a better fist of overcoming that his FO has. And my only resource for the Texans is this forum.

Rick' s wife is ill and I wish her and him all the best in overcoming her illness. He seems a genuinely good guy, and perhaps his symbiotic relationship with Kubiak made him a good fit in the first half decade of his tenure. I'd forgive him a few of the teething troubles he had back then as building experience etc.

But above all, the fact that we just played out this season with a **** ton of cap space, enough that we could have easily carried Osweiler on the roster, and lost our 2nd round pick in the process (would have got us a really good prospect to help fix the OL this year) is the final straw for me.

He doesn't have the ability to plan for the future, to address future needs 3 years from now by setting aside the capitol now to deal with them, and twice weve seen whole units left to flounder.

I had no faith in the McNair's to make this decision, am relieved they did, and am also glad that OB is going to get one last chance, because he showed something good with Watson out there that I want to see more of.

All the best to Rick and his wife, but it's the right decision to move on.

What the hell is Steelb going to do with his time now?
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I agree with most of this post.

After 11 yrs of mediocrity it's time to move on.
 
welsh texan said:
Look at things objectively and you'll see that there are facets to the job that Rick Smith is good at.

1st round in the draft they haven't made a bad pick for a decade now (giving Johnson and Fuller a pass due to lack of time & injury before judging them). That is some record right there.

He continuously finds good role players and starters late in the draft and via UDFA. You can't knock that.

It's his overall forward planning that has let him down. Kiddie Corners a few years back, failing to even attempt to address the Schaub injury when doc had made the prognosis for his return obvious via this site, let alone the added resources available to the Texans. And failing to address the OL this season when that was obvious 12 months ago.

These are issues that I could have made a better fist of overcoming that his FO has. And my only resource for the Texans is this forum.

Rick' s wife is ill and I wish her and him all the best in overcoming her illness. He seems a genuinely good guy, and perhaps his symbiotic relationship with Kubiak made him a good fit in the first half decade of his tenure. I'd forgive him a few of the teething troubles he had back then as building experience etc.

But above all, the fact that we just played out this season with a **** ton of cap space, enough that we could have easily carried Osweiler on the roster, and lost our 2nd round pick in the process (would have got us a really good prospect to help fix the OL this year) is the final straw for me.

He doesn't have the ability to plan for the future, to address future needs 3 years from now by setting aside the capitol now to deal with them, and twice weve seen whole units left to flounder.

I had no faith in the McNair's to make this decision, am relieved they did, and am also glad that OB is going to get one last chance, because he showed something good with Watson out there that I want to see more of.

All the best to Rick and his wife, but it's the right decision to move on.

What the hell is Steelb going to do with his time now?
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His repeated failures in the middle rounds, where the good teams build good depth and solid special teams and horrible tendency to give big contracts to players coming off major injuries are the two worst things about Smith, imo. A 3rd, 4th or 5th round talent should be considerably more talented that an UDFA or street FA 99% of the time. SBT will just start hammering the new GM if it isn't the guy that he wants. :D
 
Sonny said:
So, he's taking a leave to focus on family and his wife's breast cancer issue and that is awful, no doubt, but it just seems a little too convenient.
I believe this is the coolest face saving boot there could have been but I wouldn't expect any differently from this organization.
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Yes it would be a convenient way to sidestep all the tumultuous events currently going on with the Texans right now at season end but I can't imagine anybody fabricating such an elaborate scheme in case that's on anybodys mind. For anybody who's ever gone thru somthing like this with a member of the immediate family, especially with the spouse, you know what an asset it is to be living in a place like Houston with a world-class cancer hospital like MD Anderson which calls into question why would the Smiths further complicate an already terrible, extremely complicated situation by leaving home for treatment when some of the best is right here at home ?
I dunno maybe Smith or his wife is from Arizona ? I dunno I guess I shouldn't assume all of the area cancer patients go MD Anderson for treatment.
 
JB said:
To be fair, Doc didn't mention his opinion in the quoted... leave of absence is longer than an 'extended vacation' but shorter than a resignation
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I just remember when Bill Cowher stepped down after his wife contracted cancer in 2007.
He never came back.
Maybe Smith will come back but not as full time GM.

Speculation Alert:
I don't think Smith will be back to retake the reigns as the GM. While Smith is on leave, O'Brien will have established a good working relationship with whoever takes over (I'm guessing Gaines or Raye III) since they'll be here for final 2017 player evals and planning for the upcoming draft and F/A period. That cranks up (or it should) in mid January/early Feb. It would be bad business practice for McNair to screw up O'Brien's and whoever's planning and working relationship by reinstalling Smith.

As an aside, I think McNair should get O'Brien's input on who he wants to work with and not just shove some new guy down O'Brien's throat.

JB said:
Him being gone makes me smile also... but the reason sux...it's tear worthy
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Sorry, but unlike you and many others, I cannot separate the effect (Smith stepping down) from the cause (Tiffany Smith's cancer).
 
DocBar said:
His repeated failures in the middle rounds, where the good teams build good depth and solid special teams and horrible tendency to give big contracts to players coming off major injuries are the two worst things about Smith, imo. A 3rd, 4th or 5th round talent should be considerably more talented that an UDFA or street FA 99% of the time. SBT will just start hammering the new GM if it isn't the guy that he wants. :D
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Exactly how far is a team built -primarily- on RD1 picks and UDFA supposed to take an organization? My guess would be about as far as the Texans...of course, some may have other thoughts.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Claasy statement.

Hopefully he's committed to being nowhere near the personnel dept/Cap or McNair's ear in his quest to bring a championship to the city of Houston.
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Tiffany Smith.

He should've been gone when Kubiak got the boot.

Just like O'Brien should've gotten the boot as well.

This organization will never learn I see.
 
Pantherstang84 said:
So was this the McNairs buying Smith out of his contract and giving him a golden parachute?


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I don't think we'll be absolutely certain for a few years. Surely the wife with cancer is true. Nobody goes to that extent to come up with an excuse not to fire someone so I think it's pretty safe to say that he has a legitimate reason to take a leave of absence.

As close as he is to the McNair family it's also safe to say that the real clues about what this means will start coming in when they begin looking for his replacement. We have to see if they start searching for a real replacement or just a stand-in for him. The early candidates mentioned don't sound like they're intent on making a clean break from what they have been doing the last few years (With the exception of Rick being front and center). Have to wait and see if whichever of those guys we get (Raye III or Gaines) if we do pick one of them is his own man and brings anything new to the table. Have to wait and see how much (if any) power gain O'Brien really nets from the whole thing too. Example: Say he gets to drive in the upcoming draft (such that it is) and he knocks it out of the park. Now we'll never know whose guys those are for certain and the Texans will keep it all "team effort" sounding but we'll get the leaks from it and we'll get to see how much more authority O'Brien gets or loses.

I'd say that this was the McNair's giving a loyal and trusted employee a break he needed to help with his family and taking the opportunity to see if the employee is really as good as they think he is. O'Brien can permanently push Rick out of his way if he does well or get himself fired with a bad draft if the inner circle knows it's all on him. No Rick means no obstacles but also no one to blame or point fingers at.
 
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ObsiWan said:
I just remember when Bill Cowher stepped down after his wife contracted cancer in 2007.
He never came back.
Maybe Smith will come back but not as full time GM.

Speculation Alert:
I don't think Smith will be back to retake the reigns as the GM. While Smith is on leave, O'Brien will have established a good working relationship with whoever takes over (I'm guessing Gaines or Raye III) since they'll be here for final 2017 player evals and planning for the upcoming draft and F/A period. That cranks up (or it should) in mid January/early Feb. It would be bad business practice for McNair to screw up O'Brien's and whoever's planning and working relationship by reinstalling Smith.

As an aside, I think McNair should get O'Brien's input on who he wants to work with and not just shove some new guy down O'Brien's throat.
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I don't know all the internal details behind the Texan's decision making, but it really rubs me the wrong way that O'Brien seems like he's getting rewarded with more control coming off a 4-12 season. When Kubiak was coach, we were mediocre but we never heard reports of infighting between the head coach and GM. When O'Brien comes, there's a report out there almost every year about this stuff and how Bill O'Brien could leave. The same thing happened when he was the coach at Penn State and he made that rant about the Paterno faction. He threatened to leave then and he ultimately did when the Texans hired him.

I'd prefer the Texans look for both a new head coach and GM this offseason, but if I had to keep one and let the other go....I'd prefer for Rick Smith to stay and O'Brien to leave. I don't know who was behind each and every personnel decision, but I do recall reports that O'Brien had a lot of control over personnel selection for the offense when he first came to town. This is why I put most of the blame on O'Brien for having to start 9 different QBs. I think Rick Smith allowed him to have this control early in his tenure and when things didn't work out, Rick Smith started to take more ownership of personnel decisions which frustrated O'Brien. It's always been reported that O'Brien is used to how things work in New England where Bill Belichick is both the head coach and GM and wants to have the same power structure in place for the Texans. I really think Bill O'Brien or his camp have been behind most of the leaks to the media to gain more leverage in the power struggle he's been waging. The problem is...I really don't trust O'Brien as a talent evaluator, coach, or offensive coordinator. I think he's been mediocre at best and at times terrible at all three roles. I hope that whatever GM comes in to replace Smith is not just a yes man to O'Brien and vetoes any questionable decision that Bill O'Brien wants to make. The head coach needs to answer to the GM - not the other way around. The new GM should start by forcing O'Brien to hire an offensive coordinator.
 
Well, no Rick means no one to point fingers at if this upcoming draft doesn't work out well. We're about to get some clarification on what value Rick Smith brings as compared to Bill O'Brien. We just have to interpret the signs to see what it means.
 
bill Obrien isn't asking for more control or more power. he wants a gm who will work with him. he will help find a new gm, and the new gm contract will likely mirror that of smith' s in that the gm will make all roster decisions, Rick was responsible for assembling the 53 every year here, and obrien just controlled who out of those 53 were the best to play. did Obrien get input on the 53? sure, but obviously with all this in fighting Rick wasn't listening to that input as much as OB would've liked. will we ever know who was to blame totally these last 4 years? probably not, probably a mixture of both. But Smith ran Kubiak out of town in a dirty fashion, and he went an won a superbowl. Rumor was from many sources Obrien would be the #1 candidate if we let him go. I'm not sold on Obrien, but I am willing to let him continue with DW4, get a GM who will work with him, and get our roster on the mold of what he wants and see where that takes us in a couple years
 
ObsiWan said:
I just remember when Bill Cowher stepped down after his wife contracted cancer in 2007.
He never came back.
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Certainly, first of all, my prayers have gone out to Tiffany and Smith and their whole family, ever since the news of her cancer was released. When I heard "extended leave of absence," the first thing I thought of is that Smith's wife was not dealing with a run of the mill breast cancer. I've performed hundreds of mastectomies for breast cancer, and many more breast reconstructions for breast cancer. These do not typically see or require a spouse taking an extended leave. Smith's wife's cancer was diagnosed in Sept, almost 4 months ago. The concern I would have with this extended leave announcement is that she is dealing with metastatic breast cancer (one that has spread to other structures besides the breast).

Cowher had good reason for his "extended leave of absence," based on the status of his wife's cancer. I hope that this is not the case for Smith's wife. Cowher's wife was diagnosed in 2007 with malignant melanoma which had already spread. She went through extensive treatments which slowed the cancer and for a short period of time placed it into omission. But in 2009, she had a recurrence with metastasis to her spine. She finally succumbed to her disease in 2010.
 
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A time to chill said:
I don't know all the internal details behind the Texan's decision making, but it really rubs me the wrong way that O'Brien seems like he's getting rewarded with more control coming off a 4-12 season. When Kubiak was coach, we were mediocre but we never heard reports of infighting between the head coach and GM. When O'Brien comes, there's a report out there almost every year about this stuff and how Bill O'Brien could leave. The same thing happened when he was the coach at Penn State and he made that rant about the Paterno faction. He threatened to leave then and he ultimately did when the Texans hired him.

I'd prefer the Texans look for both a new head coach and GM this offseason, but if I had to keep one and let the other go....I'd prefer for Rick Smith to stay and O'Brien to leave. I don't know who was behind each and every personnel decision, but I do recall reports that O'Brien had a lot of control over personnel selection for the offense when he first came to town. This is why I put most of the blame on O'Brien for having to start 9 different QBs. I think Rick Smith allowed him to have this control early in his tenure and when things didn't work out, Rick Smith started to take more ownership of personnel decisions which frustrated O'Brien. It's always been reported that O'Brien is used to how things work in New England where Bill Belichick is both the head coach and GM and wants to have the same power structure in place for the Texans. I really think Bill O'Brien or his camp have been behind most of the leaks to the media to gain more leverage in the power struggle he's been waging. The problem is...I really don't trust O'Brien as a talent evaluator, coach, or offensive coordinator. I think he's been mediocre at best and at times terrible at all three roles. I hope that whatever GM comes in to replace Smith is not just a yes man to O'Brien and vetoes any questionable decision that Bill O'Brien wants to make. The head coach needs to answer to the GM - not the other way around. The new GM should start by forcing O'Brien to hire an offensive coordinator.
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Rick Smith is that you? Tell us how you really feel.
 
Shishkabob said:
bill Obrien isn't asking for more control or more power. he wants a gm who will work with him. he will help find a new gm, and the new gm contract will likely mirror that of smith' s in that the gm will make all roster decisions, Rick was responsible for assembling the 53 every year here, and obrien just controlled who out of those 53 were the best to play. did Obrien get input on the 53? sure, but obviously with all this in fighting Rick wasn't listening to that input as much as OB would've liked. will we ever know who was to blame totally these last 4 years? probably not, probably a mixture of both. But Smith ran Kubiak out of town in a dirty fashion, and he went an won a superbowl. Rumor was from many sources Obrien would be the #1 candidate if we let him go. I'm not sold on Obrien, but I am willing to let him continue with DW4, get a GM who will work with him, and get our roster on the mold of what he wants and see where that takes us in a couple years
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More power meaning he gets to hand pluck his GM just like several of those weak ash QB'S he picked.

Why do the McNair's continue to make the same mistakes.
 
A time to chill said:
I don't know all the internal details behind the Texan's decision making, but it really rubs me the wrong way that O'Brien seems like he's getting rewarded with more control coming off a 4-12 season. When Kubiak was coach, we were mediocre but we never heard reports of infighting between the head coach and GM. When O'Brien comes, there's a report out there almost every year about this stuff and how Bill O'Brien could leave. The same thing happened when he was the coach at Penn State and he made that rant about the Paterno faction. He threatened to leave then and he ultimately did when the Texans hired him.

I'd prefer the Texans look for both a new head coach and GM this offseason, but if I had to keep one and let the other go....I'd prefer for Rick Smith to stay and O'Brien to leave. I don't know who was behind each and every personnel decision, but I do recall reports that O'Brien had a lot of control over personnel selection for the offense when he first came to town. This is why I put most of the blame on O'Brien for having to start 9 different QBs. I think Rick Smith allowed him to have this control early in his tenure and when things didn't work out, Rick Smith started to take more ownership of personnel decisions which frustrated O'Brien. It's always been reported that O'Brien is used to how things work in New England where Bill Belichick is both the head coach and GM and wants to have the same power structure in place for the Texans. I really think Bill O'Brien or his camp have been behind most of the leaks to the media to gain more leverage in the power struggle he's been waging. The problem is...I really don't trust O'Brien as a talent evaluator, coach, or offensive coordinator. I think he's been mediocre at best and at times terrible at all three roles. I hope that whatever GM comes in to replace Smith is not just a yes man to O'Brien and vetoes any questionable decision that Bill O'Brien wants to make. The head coach needs to answer to the GM - not the other way around. The new GM should start by forcing O'Brien to hire an offensive coordinator.
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Well of course you wouldn’t. Kubiak basically hired Smith. Smith owes his 10 year reign as the Texans GM to Kubiak
 
Says his wife was diagnosed with cancer in September

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatDStat/status/947878334087737345

“My tenure is not over”

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatDStat/status/947878073344712705

Rick Smith says it is up to McNair on how they replace him moving forward for the next year.
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patrick
@PatDStat

Rick Smith says they have three kids in three different school and his wide traveling to Arizona says it is difficult to manage it all with helping running the Texans.
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patrick
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It sounds like it is a year, at least, for Smith to be away from the team.
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Texansballer74 said:
More power meaning he gets to hand pluck his GM just like several of those weak ash QB'S he picked.

Why do the McNair's continue to make the same mistakes.
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You guys are just taking your narrative and running with it. It has NEVER been reported that BoB is looking for more “power”, just changes in how they do certain things. Who knows what that means....given how shrouded in mystery things operate on Kirby, for all we know it could just mean more definitive clarification of job roles on who is responsible for what. And given the limited success the franchise has enjoyed since inception, who could necessarily argue with that?

Folks looking at this as coup for Bob to secure more power fail to realize, these rumors have been out there basically since BoB’s 1st year. With that said, I have a hard time believing BoB is stupid enough to engage in subterfuge that early into his 1st HC gig in the NFL.
 
SBT will just start hammering the new GM if it isn't the guy that he wants. :D
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I will give the new Gm 3 yrs of incompetence before I start to make up my mind about the new GM.

A couple of bad yrs in the draft/FA and everybody should be able to tell if the new GM is over matched.
 
Shishkabob said:
bill Obrien isn't asking for more control or more power. he wants a gm who will work with him. he will help find a new gm, and the new gm contract will likely mirror that of smith' s in that the gm will make all roster decisions, Rick was responsible for assembling the 53 every year here, and obrien just controlled who out of those 53 were the best to play. did Obrien get input on the 53? sure, but obviously with all this in fighting Rick wasn't listening to that input as much as OB would've liked. will we ever know who was to blame totally these last 4 years? probably not, probably a mixture of both. But Smith ran Kubiak out of town in a dirty fashion, and he went an won a superbowl. Rumor was from many sources Obrien would be the #1 candidate if we let him go. I'm not sold on Obrien, but I am willing to let him continue with DW4, get a GM who will work with him, and get our roster on the mold of what he wants and see where that takes us in a couple years
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Excellent post. I can assure you that O'Brien wants no part of being a GM or taking over GM duties............he wants a true partner with similar philosophies on player personnel and a partner with similar short-term and long-term goals (and that does not mean a mirror that will not challenge him when appropriate).
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Excellent post. I can assure you that O'Brien wants no part of being a GM or taking over GM duties............he wants a true partner with similar philosophies on player personnel and a partner with similar short-term and long-term goals (and that does not mean a mirror that will not challenge him when appropriate).
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O'Brien's experience is New England where Belichick has all the control, and Penn State where O'Brien had all the control. Why is it NOT what he's working towards? He couldn't work with an offensive coordinator and was unable to get along with the GM. I'm leaning more towards O'Brien wants as much control and power as he can get. Fortunately he'll be Chip Kelly'd at the end of 2018, after finishing the destruction of a formerly strong roster.
 
Shishkabob said:
bill Obrien isn't asking for more control or more power. he wants a gm who will work with him. he will help find a new gm, and the new gm contract will likely mirror that of smith' s in that the gm will make all roster decisions, Rick was responsible for assembling the 53 every year here, and obrien just controlled who out of those 53 were the best to play.
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And you know what he wants how? There were plenty of reports yesterday that he wanted more control.

OB's contract says he controls the 53. Anyway, the real issue is who controls who gets onto the 90 during the offseason.
 
A time to chill said:
I don't know all the internal details behind the Texan's decision making, but it really rubs me the wrong way that O'Brien seems like he's getting rewarded with more control coming off a 4-12 season. When Kubiak was coach, we were mediocre but we never heard reports of infighting between the head coach and GM. When O'Brien comes, there's a report out there almost every year about this stuff and how Bill O'Brien could leave. The same thing happened when he was the coach at Penn State and he made that rant about the Paterno faction. He threatened to leave then and he ultimately did when the Texans hired him.

I'd prefer the Texans look for both a new head coach and GM this offseason, but if I had to keep one and let the other go....I'd prefer for Rick Smith to stay and O'Brien to leave. I don't know who was behind each and every personnel decision, but I do recall reports that O'Brien had a lot of control over personnel selection for the offense when he first came to town. This is why I put most of the blame on O'Brien for having to start 9 different QBs. I think Rick Smith allowed him to have this control early in his tenure and when things didn't work out, Rick Smith started to take more ownership of personnel decisions which frustrated O'Brien. It's always been reported that O'Brien is used to how things work in New England where Bill Belichick is both the head coach and GM and wants to have the same power structure in place for the Texans. I really think Bill O'Brien or his camp have been behind most of the leaks to the media to gain more leverage in the power struggle he's been waging. The problem is...I really don't trust O'Brien as a talent evaluator, coach, or offensive coordinator. I think he's been mediocre at best and at times terrible at all three roles. I hope that whatever GM comes in to replace Smith is not just a yes man to O'Brien and vetoes any questionable decision that Bill O'Brien wants to make. The head coach needs to answer to the GM - not the other way around. The new GM should start by forcing O'Brien to hire an offensive coordinator.
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Exactly this.

O'Brien has been bad as a HC, OC, and talent evaluator. Now he is getting more power to shape the front office by picking his own GM. Should end well!

And yes I believe the leaks are from him trying to change the power structure especially when you look at his history.

It is shameful that the media reported his lies through anonymous sources. Constant bashing of Rick Smith (who I'm not a fan of), shifting blame (Rick made him start Watson), excuses (he didn't want Osweiler or any pick that turned out to be a bust).

O'Brien basically waged a war through the media including leaking some showdown and ultimatum demanding Rick get pushed out WHILE RICK WAS TAKING CARE OF HIS SICK WIFE!

Wow. Not only is he a terrible QB guru, terrible OC, bad with clock management, bad with challenge flags, bad with talent evaluation, and can't handle criticism, he's also an awful person.

And the media is scared of a bottom 5 coach because he's a bully.
 
Anybody listen to the Rick Smith press conference ?

Maybe it's just me but they are f^% up over there . RS is leaving for a year and when he comes back he may or may not be GM . He'll still be executive vp , whatever that is but not GM if Bob wants to hire a GM . He did kind of defend the young talent and put some lack of execution blame on Bill but in the end , he's like a guy working for a relative and knows he's going to be taken care of .
 
DocBar said:
It's hard to screw up in FA when FA didn't exist when Herzeg was with the Oilers.
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Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the point that I was making, but I'll play along and split the same hair that you just split. I've got plenty of time to waste today.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1561856-how-free-agency-changed-the-nfl-forever
Free agency began in the NFL in 1947.
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Here's the first hit when you Google "houston oilers free agents." Pretty sure Herzeg was there in 1987 unless someone wants to say he was out sick that day.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/0...ee-agents-Karl-Baldischwiler-a/2166555307200/

Here's the second and the third from 1981 and 1983. Maybe he was on vacation when they wrote these articles.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...our-rookie-free-agents-Tuesday/6414366955200/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/0...ed-seven-free-agents-including/3994423374400/
 
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TheKDog said:
Exactly this.

O'Brien has been bad as a HC, OC, and talent evaluator. Now he is getting more power to shape the front office by picking his own GM. Should end well!

And yes I believe the leaks are from him trying to change the power structure especially when you look at his history.

It is shameful that the media reported his lies through anonymous sources. Constant bashing of Rick Smith (who I'm not a fan of), shifting blame (Rick made him start Watson), excuses (he didn't want Osweiler or any pick that turned out to be a bust).

O'Brien basically waged a war through the media including leaking some showdown and ultimatum demanding Rick get pushed out WHILE RICK WAS TAKING CARE OF HIS SICK WIFE!

Wow. Not only is he a terrible QB guru, terrible OC, bad with clock management, bad with challenge flags, bad with talent evaluation, and can't handle criticism, he's also an awful person.

And the media is scared of a bottom 5 coach because he's a bully.
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If they would have fired Rick with Kubiak like they should have , none of this would be an issue .

If they did fire Bill he would have a job tomorrow while Rick would not .

Bill deals with a child who has special needs everyday .

Rick and Bill have been fighting a long time and this has more to do with his contact ending than Rick's wife .
 
infantrycak said:
And you know what he wants how? There were plenty of reports yesterday that he wanted more control.

OB's contract says he controls the 53. Anyway, the real issue is who controls who gets onto the 90 during the offseason.
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And how they are coached up. It's no secret that the Gibbs had a huge say in choosing the o-line and tbs. That's why they squeezed so many quality rushers out of their system. If the rb style doesn't fit the style of the line, it doesn't work. Devlin needs to go.
 
Mr teX said:
You guys are just taking your narrative and running with it. It has NEVER been reported that BoB is looking for more “power”, just changes in how they do certain things. Who knows what that means....given how shrouded in mystery things operate on Kirby, for all we know it could just mean more definitive clarification of job roles on who is responsible for what. And given the limited success the franchise has enjoyed since inception, who could necessarily argue with that?

Folks looking at this as coup for Bob to secure more power fail to realize, these rumors have been out there basically since BoB’s 1st year. With that said, I have a hard time believing BoB is stupid enough to engage in subterfuge that early into his 1st HC gig in the NFL.
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What narrative. He was given the authorization to hand pick the freaking GM. That's a fact, so where are you getting this agenda/narrative stuff from.

Oh you'r twisted up because I used THE WORD POWER.
 
TexansBull said:
https://twitter.com/mcclain_on_nfl/status/947585570410254343

I thought Gaine interviewed for GM position, didn’t get it, but decided to stay even though it was a lateral move.

McClain wrong? Again?

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Ha! I went through the comments and someone pointed out he wasn’t fired per an article McClain reported that he wasn’t fired.

Silly McClain.

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...ayer-personnel-Brian-Gaine-Bills-11147617.php
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Yeah weird unless McClain is now reporting the truth. Can't trust the media these days
 
Mr. White said:
Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the point that I was making, but I'll play along and split the same hair that you just split. I've got plenty of time to waste today.
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You already wasted enough. The words were used prior to 1992 but were meaningless until then.

Whoohoo free agency in 1947. So popular not one player changed teams until 1962. Then Rozelle would assign compensation at his discretion until the courts said no bueno. Then teams were allowed to protect 37 players.

1992 - that's your start date for teams being substantially impacted by free agency.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
If they would have fired Rick with Kubiak like they should have , none of this would be an issue .

If they did fire Bill he would have a job tomorrow while Rick would not .

Bill deals with a child who has special needs everyday .

Rick and Bill have been fighting a long time and this has more to do with his contact ending than Rick's wife .
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While I agree Rick should be fired, I don't buy that OBrien would find a job right away. He isn't good at coaching and most teams (unlike the Texans) aren't stupid
 
leebigeztx said:
And how they are coached up. It's no secret that the Gibbs had a huge say in choosing the o-line and tbs. That's why they squeezed so many quality rushers out of their system. If the rb style doesn't fit the style of the line, it doesn't work. Devlin needs to go.
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Was putting coaching aside and just dealing with decision making. But I've been banging the replace Devlin drum for a while.
 
TheKDog said:
While I agree Rick should be fired, I don't buy that OBrien would find a job right away. He isn't good at coaching.
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He isn't good at some aspects of coaching . The problem is you were paying for him to learn and now another team will benefit from that .

I think he was told to be the OC in a power play by Rick to get him out . If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then snipe em .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
He isn't good at some aspects of coaching . The problem is you were paying for him to learn and now another team will benefit from that .

I think he was told to be the OC in a power play by Rick to get him out . If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then snipe em .
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Unfortunately his "I don't want to hear any bs about clock management" makes me think he isn't learning from his mistakes, not to mention blaming other people for his QB moves
 
infantrycak said:
You already wasted enough. The words were used prior to 1992 but were meaningless until then.
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Were there not free agency transactions before 1992 or did I list NFL fan fiction articles? Didn't know fake news existed before Trump said it did.

I guess someone should have told GMs, coaches and players that they shouldn't bother with free agency back then since it was meaningless.
 
Just got through listening to Rick's presser. He said he will be back. Might not be the GM but he will have a major role in this organization.
 
Mr. White said:
Were there not free agency transactions before 1992 or did I list NFL fan fiction articles? Didn't know fake news existed before Trump said it did.

I guess someone should have told GMs, coaches and players that they shouldn't bother with free agency back then since it was meaningless.
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One more time for the learning impaired - teams could protect 37 players. So sure bottom of the roster guys moved a little.

Classic examples of the new free agency with difference makers.

Charles Haley going from winning SBs in San Fran to winning them in Dallas in 1992.

Ken Norton going the other way in 1994.

Deion Sanders going Niners to Cowboys 1994.

I'm done. You're looking ridiculous on this.
 
TheKDog said:
While I agree Rick should be fired, I don't buy that OBrien would find a job right away. He isn't good at coaching and most teams (unlike the Texans) aren't stupid
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According to RapSheet/Glazer/Lombardi/LaConfora you would be wrong.
 
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