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The Texans could be playing in the AFC Championship Game next year, possibly Super Bowl, if we can keep Deshaun Watson, J.J. Watt and Whitney Mercilus healthy. I don't think people really understand just how good Watson is. He had us in position to beat the Patriots and Seahawks on the road almost single-handily. Before O'Brien's idiotic playcalling on third and short, needing a first-down to ice the game.
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I hate to break it to you Watt will never be the same player. The Texans defense was bad with those guys. The secondary is horrible.

I realize how good Watson is, I also realize that the man is coming off 2 aCL surgeries and the odds are that he never reaches his amazing potential. It certainly doesn't help that he will be playing behind a young OL if Ricky chooses to spend draft capital to try to fix it. If everything goes perfectly it will take 3 yrs to fix this mess and that's with Watson staying healthy. If Watson cant stay healthy we are looking at a bad decade of of miserable football in Houston.

So to be clear, I'm rooting really hard for Watson to stay healthy and succeed, because it's going to be a long time of bad football out at NRG if he doesn't.
 
We have to let it go with those other quarterbacks. It just seems like a useless broken record. Carson Wentz, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo, Teddy Bridgewater, whomever you wanted: The guy we ended up with was Deshaun Watson. He's the guy we have to support moving forward.

I don't care about what other quarterbacks we didn't land. I've already been there and done that over the past decade+ with the likes of Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and even Joe Flacco, aka other Super Bowl winning quarterbacks we had a chance to draft, but we didn't, for whatever reason.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
We have to let it go with those other quarterbacks. It just seems like a useless broken record. Carson Wentz, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo, Teddy Bridgewater, whomever you wanted: The guy we ended up with was Deshaun Watson. He's the guy we have to support moving forward.

I don't care about what other quarterbacks we didn't land. I've already been there and done that over the past decade+ with the likes of Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and even Joe Flacco, aka other Super Bowl winning quarterbacks we had a chance to draft, but we didn't, for whatever reason.
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We should not let it go because those decisions are a direct reflection of current management and coaching staff of the Houston Texans. We sat through three seasons of watching shitty QBs because the brain trust of this franchise never valued picking a QB high until the owner demanded it.

And they basically wasted three seasons of a great defense, built by Wade & Kubiak and utilized by RAC, on an anemic offense led by QBs that were never going to be here for more than one season. JJ Watt's career? Best years behind him because of the lack of ability to make a decision to find a franchise QB high in the draft.
 
Double Barrel said:
We should not let it go because those decisions are a direct reflection of current management and coaching staff of the Houston Texans. We sat through three seasons of watching shitty QBs because the brain trust of this franchise never valued picking a QB high until the owner demanded it.

And they basically wasted three seasons of a great defense, built by Wade & Kubiak and utilized by RAC, on an anemic offense led by QBs that were never going to be here for more than one season. JJ Watt's career? Best years behind him because of the lack of ability to make a decision to find a franchise QB high in the draft.
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All of what you say is true and I have spent countless nights and days discussing it in these forums. I just don't see how it helps us right now? We have finally found what looks like a franchise quarterback in Deshaun Watson. Rather than dwell on the past we just need to hope for good health in the future. This 2017 season sucks but 2018 has a chance to be much better. If we didn't get a glimpse of the brilliance that is Deshaun Watson - literally dominating the NFL as a rookie quarterback - perhaps I'd feel more pessimistic about our future.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
All of what you say is true and I have spent countless nights and days discussing it in these forums. I just don't see how it helps us right now? We have finally found what looks like a franchise quarterback in Deshaun Watson. Rather than dwell on the past we just need to hope for good health in the future. This 2017 season sucks but 2018 has a chance to be much better. If we didn't get a glimpse of the brilliance that is Deshaun Watson - literally dominating the NFL as a rookie quarterback - perhaps I'd feel more pessimistic about our future.
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Here's the thing - that future that you're so optimistic about may very well be controlled and wrecked by the very same people that brought you such stellar decisions as Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage. So be optimistic about Watson all you want. He's certainly worth the hype. But if you are just blindly ignoring the poor decisions made to this point, you're going to find yourself very pissed off when those same people make decisions to waste the better part of Watson's career. You're right in thinking that Watson is something special. You're wrong in wanting to let bygones be bygones with regard to those crappy decisions. They ARE indicative of future success, most likely.

Think about how some of the great QBs in the game have had large portions of their career wasted, perhaps never winning a Super Bowl or even getting to one. Might happen, might not, but I'd sure hate to entrust that chance to someone who has shown he doesn't make wise decisions more often than not.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
All of what you say is true and I have spent countless nights and days discussing it in these forums. I just don't see how it helps us right now? We have finally found what looks like a franchise quarterback in Deshaun Watson. Rather than dwell on the past we just need to hope for good health in the future. This 2017 season sucks but 2018 has a chance to be much better. If we didn't get a glimpse of the brilliance that is Deshaun Watson - literally dominating the NFL as a rookie quarterback - perhaps I'd feel more pessimistic about our future.
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While I share your optimism and enthusiasm for Watson, I do not have the same confidence in the blind squirrel management that found him. They are just as likely able to squander and waste his talent than they are blind lucking their way into putting a team around him.

eriadoc said:
Here's the thing - that future that you're so optimistic about may very well be controlled and wrecked by the very same people that brought you such stellar decisions as Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage. So be optimistic about Watson all you want. He's certainly worth the hype. But if you are just blindly ignoring the poor decisions made to this point, you're going to find yourself very pissed off when those same people make decisions to waste the better part of Watson's career. You're right in thinking that Watson is something special. You're wrong in wanting to let bygones be bygones with regard to those crappy decisions. They ARE indicative of future success, most likely.

Think about how some of the great QBs in the game have had large portions of their career wasted, perhaps never winning a Super Bowl or even getting to one. Might happen, might not, but I'd sure hate to entrust that chance to someone who has shown he doesn't make wise decisions more often than not.
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Well said, man. I started to mention the same but then read your post and figured you did a great job with it.
 
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I'm okay with letting Rick Smith go as the general manager. He's been here long enough with very little results to show for (three wild-card wins isn't good enough), and I understand the frustrations of everybody when it comes to our lack of depth and poor roster decisions over the past three or four off-seasons. Also a total failure to see the falling apart and disaster of our weak offensive line, along with Duane Brown's holdout and eventually fallout (trade). Our O-Line issues are clearly Rick Smith's fault. He didn't have any awareness or ability to fix the problems before they got out of control.

I would like to see Bill O'Brien work with Deshaun Watson a little while longer. At least see what they can do together in 2018. The two of them showed great potential together this season. I wish O'Brien would have trusted a rookie Deshaun a little more to win the games at New England and at Seattle (ball was in his hands late in the game with a lead), rather than call for a Lamar Miller run up the gut on third down. But that takes time to build trust together.

I'm more in the line of "let's bring in somebody new to give Bill O'Brien better groceries to cook with." Because I think O'Brien is capable of doing some good with some better ingredients to work with. O'Brien did just fine with the Patriots when he got to work with a guy named Tom Brady!

I just feel like we finally landed our franchise quarterback and we should be very excited about the future with a special talent like Deshaun Watson. Not talking about which other quarterbacks we could have, should have, would have landed. We've already wasted our time for years and years talking about that. We have our guy now. Time to get him healthy for the start of the 2018 season in September!
 
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Bulls on Parade said:
I'm okay with letting Rick Smith go as the general manager. He's been here long enough with very little results to show for (three wild-card wins isn't good enough), and I understand the frustrations of everybody when it comes to our lack of depth and poor roster decisions over the past three or four off-seasons. Also a total failure to see the falling apart and disaster of our weak offensive line, along with Duane Brown's holdout and eventually fallout (trade). Our O-Line issues are clearly Rick Smith's fault. He didn't have any awareness or ability to fix the problems before they got out of control.

I would like to see Bill O'Brien work with Deshaun Watson a little while longer. At least see what they can do together in 2018. The two of them showed great potential together this season. I wish O'Brien would have trusted a rookie Deshaun a little more to win the games at New England and at Seattle (ball was in his hands late in the game with a lead), rather than call for a Lamar Miller run up the gut on third down. But that takes time to build trust together.

I'm more in the line of "let's bring in somebody new to give Bill O'Brien better groceries to cook with." Because I think O'Brien is capable of doing some good with some better ingredients to work with. O'Brien did just fine with the Patriots when he got to work with a guy named Tom Brady!

I just feel like we finally landed our franchise quarterback and we should be very excited about the future with a special talent like Deshaun Watson. Not talking about which other quarterbacks we could have, should have, would have landed. We've already wasted our time for years and years talking about that. We have our guy now. Time to get him healthy for the start of the 2018 season in September!
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that's it....it all comes back to Smith.
 
Jimmy G doing Jimmy G things

Bortles doing Bortles things

49ers taking down the Jags.

Just thought I would add the 49ers gameday thread currently sits at 196 pages. O/U Texans Talk gameday pages 15?

BTW, F you Ricky
 
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steelbtexan said:
Jimmy G doing Jimmy G things

Bortles doing Bortles things

49ers taking down the Jags.

Just thought I would add the 49ers gameday thread currently sits at 196 pages. O/U Texans Talk gameday pages 15?

BTW, F you Ricky
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Exactly
 
As great as Jimmy Garoppolo has been, I think the Texans would have out-scored the 49ers and Deshaun Watson would have out-shined him at NRG if he were healthy in that game we lost 26-16 back on December 10. We'd have scored over 30+ points easy with Deshaun embarrassing the 49ers defense.

I still think we have the right franchise quarterback in place. I'm ready for 2018. I'm tired of talking about this frustrating 2017 season plagued by unlucky season-ending injuries to three of our best players. Thankfully after today's game we've only got one game left to play and then we can focus on better things ahead.

If you take away any team's starting quarterback and their first and third best defensive players for the season, chances are they would struggle to win games also. Not to mention all the other players we have lost, including most of the offensive line.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
As great as Jimmy Garoppolo has been, I think the Texans would have out-scored the 49ers and Deshaun Watson would have out-shined him at NRG if he were healthy in that game we lost 26-16 back on December 10. We'd have scored over 30+ points easy with Deshaun embarrassing the 49ers defense.

I still think we have the right franchise quarterback in place. I'm ready for 2018. I'm tired of talking about this frustrating 2017 season plagued by unlucky season-ending injuries to three of our best players. Thankfully after today's game we've only got one game left to play and then we can focus on better things ahead.

If you take away any team's starting quarterback and their first and third best defensive players for the season, chances are they would struggle to win games also. Not to mention all the other players we have lost, including most of the offensive line.
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I don’t think there is any doubt that Deshaun Watson has the potential to being the best qb in the league, I think us fans are worried about his long term health prognosis.
 
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I think the Pats made a huge mistake in letting Jimmy go. TB12 has at most 3 years left and very likely less than that. They should have signed him to a long term contract at starter level pay. Then if they wanted trade TB after this year or possibly eat a bit of salary cap for a year or two. We all know this is a QB driven league and how hard it is to find a good one. The Pats are likely not going to be able to pick high enough to get a good one for several years. They had him and let him go and soon I expect they will be scrambling like everyone else looking for a good QB.
 
edo783 said:
I think the Pats made a huge mistake in letting Jimmy go. TB12 has at most 3 years left and very likely less than that. They should have signed him to a long term contract at starter level pay. Then if they wanted trade TB after this year or possibly eat a bit of salary cap for a year or two. We all know this is a QB driven league and how hard it is to find a good one. The Pats are likely not going to be able to pick high enough to get a good one for several years. They had him and let him go and soon I expect they will be scrambling like everyone else looking for a good QB.
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Totally agree, he could have been the Patriots version of Steve Young replacing Joe Montana.
 
edo783 said:
I think the Pats made a huge mistake in letting Jimmy go. TB12 has at most 3 years left and very likely less than that. They should have signed him to a long term contract at starter level pay. Then if they wanted trade TB after this year or possibly eat a bit of salary cap for a year or two. We all know this is a QB driven league and how hard it is to find a good one. The Pats are likely not going to be able to pick high enough to get a good one for several years. They had him and let him go and soon I expect they will be scrambling like everyone else looking for a good QB.
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Maybe.

I don’t know though. None of the backups they’ve had are Tom, but they’ve had success with guys who have shown some ability there but not able to sustain in other places.

And recently with Brisett and garoppolo they found two good ones that, again, aren’t Tom Brady but could win games there on that team.

I don’t see the Pats scrambling for a qb after Brady like other teams do (if belichick sticks around) because they’ve been practicing drafting and having success with non first rd qbs.

If belichick leaves when Brady does it’s all moot anyways.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe.

I don’t know though. None of the backups they’ve had are Tom, but they’ve had success with guys who have shown some ability there but not able to sustain in other places.

And recently with Brisett and garoppolo they found two good ones that, again, aren’t Tom Brady but could win games there on that team.

I don’t see the Pats scrambling for a qb after Brady like other teams do (if belichick sticks around) because they’ve been practicing drafting and having success with non first rd qbs.

If belichick leaves when Brady does it’s all moot anyways.
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I think you're right about the Pats and Brady/BB. I think you're vastly underrating Jimmy G. I cant wait to see Jimmy G get a couple of stud interior OL and a WR this offseason in Kyle's offense. That's going to be fun to watch.
 
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I think the Pats made a huge mistake in letting Jimmy go. TB12 has at most 3 years left and very likely less than that. They should have signed him to a long term contract at starter level pay. Then if they wanted trade TB after this year or possibly eat a bit of salary cap for a year or two. We all know this is a QB driven league and how hard it is to find a good one. The Pats are likely not going to be able to pick high enough to get a good one for several years. They had him and let him go and soon I expect they will be scrambling like everyone else looking for a good QB.
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I would love to see the pats fail and struggle to find a good QB but I think Belicek will find another good one. I’m not saying he’ll find another 5 time super bowl winner but I think they will likely find another good one.
 
Bill Belichick is 65 years old. If Tom Brady is able to play until he's 45 years old like he wants to do, and no reason he can't do that since he's arguably the MVP of the league this year at 40 years old, then that would put Belichick at 70 years old when Brady retires in 2022.

Surely Bill Belichick at 70 will likely retire with Brady at 45. Do you think he's up for finding another quarterback and starting over into his 70's? People already consider Belichick the GOAT in terms of head coaches in NFL History, spy-gate or no spy-gate. Tom Brady is also considered the GOAT at quarterback, deflate-gate or no deflate-gate. The two of them will likely go out together, fitting as it may seem.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If belichick leaves when Brady does it’s all moot anyways.
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Agreed. That is the most likely scenario to happen. I don't think Bill Belichick is going to take years off his remaining life by starting over at 70 years old and looking for that next great quarterback. Being a head coach in the NFL is a very stressful job especially if you don't have a good quarterback, much less one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Bill Belichick is 65 years old. If Tom Brady is able to play until he's 45 years old like he wants to do, and no reason he can't do that since he's arguably the MVP of the league this year at 40 years old, then that would put Belichick at 70 years old when Brady retires in 2022.

Surely Bill Belichick at 70 will likely retire with Brady at 45. Do you think he's up for finding another quarterback and starting over into his 70's? People already consider Belichick the GOAT in terms of head coaches in NFL History, spy-gate or no spy-gate. Tom Brady is also considered the GOAT at quarterback, deflate-gate or no deflate-gate. The two of them will likely go out together, fitting as it may seem.
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They really don't have this father/son relationship like people think they do. They are't seeing eye to eye on things completely right now with Tom's trainer Guerrero. They've had a lot of insider rumors about Guerrero being shut out of their locker room on the road and other things that they aren't speaking about but there has been a ton of smoke. Many who have talked to the people within that organization have hinted that BB never wanted to trade Garopollo in the first place and that was more of a Robert Kraft decision. I certainly believe it, because its one of the worst times that Bill has gotten raped on a trade so badly. He completely mishandled that all together and refused to strike when the iron was hot on Jimmy's trade value and Bill almost never does that. Tom's not playing another 5 more years. He may want to, but his body ain't lasting that long. I give him another two after this one, and we'll see what Bill does. I'll bet he drafts a QB early again in this draft if one is available that he likes. Him retiring will mainly be based on how he feels and his health. He has never struck me as one of those HC"s that gets that stressed out over football like other coaches. He's a lot more methodical in his approach and sticks to structures within his system that he knows, and he generally enjoys coaching because he goes after players he wants to be around. He has said that. He might keep coaching a lot longer than you think if his health permits it.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe.

I don’t know though. None of the backups they’ve had are Tom, but they’ve had success with guys who have shown some ability there but not able to sustain in other places.

And recently with Brisett and garoppolo they found two good ones that, again, aren’t Tom Brady but could win games there on that team.

I don’t see the Pats scrambling for a qb after Brady like other teams do (if belichick sticks around) because they’ve been practicing drafting and having success with non first rd qbs.

If belichick leaves when Brady does it’s all moot anyways.
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Brissett has nothing on Jimmy though. He's not even close, and I don't even view Brissett as starter material. Never did either. Brissett didn't really prove that he could win games for them either. He just beat a Texans team that gave up turnovers left and right at the beginning of the game in bad field position, and the Pats took advantage. Brissett threw for barely over 100 yards in that game, and really didn't have to do anything, because Osweiller did it all for him from the Texans. The very next week Brissett played against the Bills and got eaten alive. They got worked that entire game and the Pats generated hardly any offense at all. Jimmy has an arm that none of the other Patriots backups ever had. His ball placement is excellent and his release is very quick. He came into the league with a lot more potential than any of the other QB's had other than maybe Mallett, but most questioned Mallet's maturity and leadership despite his big arm any way which is why he dropped so far in the draft and BB took him.

As a Pats fan I think they may have made a mistake myself, but if they win a SB next year than that would heavily change. Either way, I'd never knock the organization for keeping Tom Brady when he's still playing at an MVP level. Garropolo just gives you the longevity. I think it will show later down the line that they should have kept him, but if anyone deserves that loyalty and respect it's Tom. So they did what they did, and it's understandable. Transitioning from Brady to another 12 years of Garropolo sure would have been sweet though. I'll enjoy watching what him and Shanny put together in San Fran either way.
 
Texecutioner said:
Brissett has nothing on Jimmy though.
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That wasn’t my point and I specifically mentioned them having qbs look better there and not as good in other places.

What I said was that the PATS have shown THEY can win games with different qbs.

I like JG...he was on my list of guys I wanted in his draft class. But given the pats specific situation I don’t think they made a mistake.l with that move.
 
I remember somebody on ESPN's NFL Live, I think it was Adam Schefter, that reported that Jimmy Garoppolo wanted to start games and become a franchise quarterback already. He was tired of waiting. Even if the Patriots had paid him elite quarterback money to remain Brady's backup he didn't want to stay anymore. So the Pats had no choice but to trade him otherwise he would have signed elsewhere as a free agent next off-season.

The 49ers still have to sign Jimmy G long term this off-season. He's a free agent pretty soon! The 49ers will definitely do whatever it takes to re-sign him, but what if the Cleveland Browns come in with some ridiculous offer and make him the highest-paid quarterback in the league? Only the Browns would be desperate enough to derail the 49ers plans. Then they could focus all of their high draft picks on building up the rest of their team.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I like JG...he was on my list of guys I wanted in his draft class. But given the pats specific situation I don’t think they made a mistake.l with that move.
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Same here man. Going back memory lane...
Eastern Illinois montage. I requested that song in the video.


I remember seeing this hype video a few months before that 2014 draft. I was like, "we've got to draft Jimmy Garoppolo in the second round!" Of course, Bill O'Brien wasn't as enthusiastic about it. He valued Tom Savage more, who slipped to us in the fourth round.

I wanted Jimmy G as much as steelb, but that's done with.
We've got Deshaun Watson now. I'm over it to be honest.
We just need good health in 2018 and we'll be fine.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
That wasn’t my point and I specifically mentioned them having qbs look better there and not as good in other places.

What I said was that the PATS have shown THEY can win games with different qbs.

I like JG...he was on my list of guys I wanted in his draft class. But given the pats specific situation I don’t think they made a mistake.l with that move.
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It's an extremely tough call. You can look at it from several angles. Believe me, I was very against them keeping Jimmy especially after what Brady did in that last SB and all of the pay cuts he has taken. I also look at it to be a very similar situation to what the 49ers went through with Montana/Young back in the 90's. I hated the Niners for getting rid of Montana for Young. I was also a fan of Young as well, but Montana was this untouchable god at QB at the time, and realistically Young had a ton of more potential to take that offense higher than what Montana could at that point of Montana's career. Brady is still arguably the best QB in the league which makes it a little different, but he's older than what Montana was, and for how much longer? I'm not saying that you're wrong by saying they didn't make a mistake. Again, I think it's a very tough call. I personally think it will end up being wrong based on how great Jimmy will be and the fact that I think Brady only plays for another two years or so.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I remember somebody on ESPN's NFL Live, I think it was Adam Schefter, that reported that Jimmy Garoppolo wanted to start games and become a franchise quarterback already. He was tired of waiting. Even if the Patriots had paid him elite quarterback money to remain Brady's backup he didn't want to stay anymore. So the Pats had no choice but to trade him otherwise he would have signed elsewhere as a free agent next off-season.

The 49ers still have to sign Jimmy G long term this off-season. He's a free agent pretty soon! The 49ers will definitely do whatever it takes to re-sign him, but what if the Cleveland Browns come in with some ridiculous offer and make him the highest-paid quarterback in the league? Only the Browns would be desperate enough to derail the 49ers plans. Then they could focus all of their high draft picks on building up the rest of their team.
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Sheftner was correct all off season long. He has always been a great insider into the Patriots locker room with a lot of accuracy. Jimmy wanted to start and was definitely tired of waiting. There was no amount of money they could have paid him to stay as a backup. They could have only franchised him, and there is no way that the Pats could compete for a SB having to pay Jimmy on the franchise and to Brady. They definitely had to trade him, but it was ridiculously stupid not to do it in the off season before the draft. They could have gotten a lot more value than they did and they didn't even have a 1st or 2nd round pick, so they needed the picks pretty bad.
 
Them trading JG is probably the first big crack in the armor of their dynasty. The trade says more about Kraft & the org than Bill himself. Bill didn't trade him in the offseason & didn't want to b/c he was likely ready to trade Brady & start the JG era. He's always subscribed to the Walsh philosophy of trading guys 1-2 years before they're done. Kraft's man love for Brady screwed all that up.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Same here man. Going back memory lane...
Eastern Illinois montage. I requested that song in the video.


I remember seeing this hype video a few months before that 2014 draft. I was like, "we've got to draft Jimmy Garoppolo in the second round!" Of course, Bill O'Brien wasn't as enthusiastic about it. He valued Tom Savage more, who slipped to us in the fourth round.

I wanted Jimmy G as much as steelb, but that's done with.
We've got Deshaun Watson now. I'm over it to be honest.
We just need good health in 2018 and we'll be fine.
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The 20014 would be a lot easier to take if it went like this .......

1. Clowney
2. Jimmy G > XSF
3 . Morgan Moses > CJ Fido
3b Trai Turner > Louis Nix


While hindsight is always 20/20 , 50% of this would have been cool .
 
Mr teX said:
Them trading JG is probably the first big crack in the armor of their dynasty. The trade says more about Kraft & the org than Bill himself. Bill didn't trade him in the offseason & didn't want to b/c he was likely ready to trade Brady & start the JG era. He's always subscribed to the Walsh philosophy of trading guys 1-2 years before they're done. Kraft's man love for Brady screwed all that up.
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Yep, I told everyone that in the off season and hardly anyone could understand. Bill DID NOT want to trade Jimmy. Kraft forced it on him, because there's no way he would have waited around that long just to get a lousy 2nd rounder for the next long term elite QB.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The 20014 would be a lot easier to take if it went like this .......

1. Clowney
2. Jimmy G > XSF
3 . Morgan Moses > CJ Fido
3b Trai Turner > Louis Nix


While hindsight is always 20/20 , 50% of this would have been cool .
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Especially since some mocked

Rd.1Clowney
Rd.2 Jimmy G.
 
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Honoring Earl 34 said:
Maybe at first but


I think the lesson Rick has a hard time with is , you subtract a round where you think a QB will go because they are highly valued .
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Exactly,

I wanted Ricky to trade into the bottom of the 1st for Jimmy G. Imagine how disappointed I was when he took XSF and I liked the XSF pick.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yep, I told everyone that in the off season and hardly anyone could understand. Bill DID NOT want to trade Jimmy. Kraft forced it on him, because there's no way he would have waited around that long just to get a lousy 2nd rounder for the next long term elite QB.
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No way for us to know for sure, but....

If I were a pats fan I’d want Brady to retire a patriot. Not get cut and some one day contract stuff...I’m talking truly retire a patriot....ride off into the sunset after his last hurrah....

It’s all about winning and the pats have done tons of that...but we’re talking about an iconic player in all of sports...maybe the best nfl player ever and maybe the most impactful player in all of American sports when it’s all said and done.

I know the pats will cut ties with guys with no remorse, but I think it’s different with Brady.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
No way for us to know for sure, but....

If I were a pats fan I’d want Brady to retire a patriot. Not get cut and some one day contract stuff...I’m talking truly retire a patriot....ride off into the sunset after his last hurrah....
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I think that most do, but a lot of fans started to really warm up to Jimmy as well, and realistically know that they'll likely be watching him do great things in San Fran for a long time now.

xtruroyaltyx said:
It’s all about winning and the pats have done tons of that...but we’re talking about an iconic player in all of sports...maybe the best nfl player ever and maybe the most impactful player in all of American sports when it’s all said and done.
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This is true, and I agree with you. I think it boils down to how long did Kraft realistically believe that Tom could last.

xtruroyaltyx said:
I know the pats will cut ties with guys with no remorse, but I think it’s different with Brady.
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Well they traded Jimmy, so this is pretty much fact.
 
Interesting on why Kraft is not looking for the future.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-r...-jimmy-garoppolo-tom-brady-won-083140046.html

ESPN report: Bill Belichick didn't want to trade Jimmy Garoppolo; Tom Brady 'won'
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effectively forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo, whom the head coach and many others in the organization saw as the franchise’s quarterback of the future. Belichick reportedly left an hours-long meeting, during which Kraft issued the mandate, “furious and demoralized.”

The ESPN story connects the difference of opinion between Belichick and Kraft to a now-deep-seated rift between Belichick and Tom Brady. It details meetings between Brady and Kraft, and Brady and Belichick, to discuss another long-term contract for Brady. An October meeting between quarterback and head coach, who reportedly balked at a long-term extension, resulted in a “little blowup,” according to a source quoted in the report.
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Belichick obeyed orders, texted 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan – whose father, Mike, had defended Belichick during the Spygate scandal – and eventually offered his backup QB for a second-round pick.
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So like a guy ordered in a divorce to sell his Porsche and give the proceeds to his wife, Belichick did his buddy solid and gave Kraft a finger.

The Patriots repeatedly offered Garoppolo four-year contract extensions, in the $17-18 million range annually that would go higher if and when he succeeded Brady. Garoppolo and [agent Don] Yee, [also Brady’s agent,] rejected the offers out of hand, for reasons that remain unclear, and the Patriots knew they couldn’t make any promises to Garoppolo about the timing of a transition at quarterback.
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Pretty obvious why, Garoppolo didn't want to become a starter at 30.
 
From the article:

The story also notes that “Kraft has confessed to people in the building that trading [Garoppolo] might have been a mistake,” and that Belichick “has taken pride in Garoppolo’s 5-0 record [as a starter] in San Francisco.”
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The 49ers have signed quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo to a new contract that will give him the highest annual salary in the history of the NFL, according to multiple reports. Raj Mathai of NBC Bay Area first reported the news.

The deal is for five years and $137.5 million, NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo reports. That’s slightly more money than Matthew Stafford got on his five-year deal ($135 million) signed in August. Andrew Luck’s contract signed in 2016 was worth more that Garappolo’s ($140 million) but was spread out over six years.

The Niners acquired Garoppolo from the Patriots in exchange for a second-round pick in October. Without the benefit of training camp, Garoppolo came in and learned the offense well enough to win all five games he started for San Francisco. He completed 67.4% of his passes for 1,560 yards with seven touchdowns and five interceptions.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/08/jimmy-garoppolo-contract-salary-49ers
 
infantrycak said:
Giants HC won't be open next year. It is now. Supposedly that's Belichick's dream and possibly only team he would go to.
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I wouldn't mind letting him walk and seeing what Josh Mcdaniels could do as HC. And my first demand would be to go out and get Wade Phillips for the defense. You know Wade is always good for at least one or two dynamite seasons when he first gets there.
 
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