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All encompassing Bill O'Brien thread

You guys are a trip thinking those close losses are solely on O'Brien. Rick Smith can't draft past the 2nd round, our defense is TERRIBLE, and we've had so many injuries to starters.

Don't forget both Watson threw a pick six and Moore dropped the game-winning INT in the Seattle game.
 
Speedy said:
Really? Seems to me it was the same damn offense, just run by a Houdini like QB that made OB and even this o-line look good. OB didn't change ****.
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Ultimately it is the QB with the ball in his hands, but using your logic, why do we then blame the coach for a loss?
Like I originally said, if you bag the coach for a loss, then you must also by that same logic give him the credit for a win.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Here we go again trying to place blame on Rick Smith when it's all of their fault. Injuries cost this team big time.
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Yeah, I blamed O'Brien on 2 loses this year, the NE and SEA games. So we'd be looking at 6-7 instead of 4-9, still without Watson. Texans still wouldn't be going to the playoffs, just way too many injuries. And next man up is fine when you're missing an OG or someone of that nature. Not so when it's your star QB. Next man up doesn't apply to that position.
 
infantrycak said:
Who said solely?

But truth is change any one of several things in a close game and the result may change.
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So far I've seen the blame on O'Brien and not our defense which has regressed in one of the craziest fashions I've ever seen.

I just don't see the reasoning of wanting to fire O'Brien after this unprecedented season. It seems very knee-jerk but I understand people want to take out their frustrations on someone. It's easy to look back and criticize him going conservative but it's not his fault our defense cannot play defense.
 
Texansphan said:
Ultimately it is the QB with the ball in his hands, but using your logic, why do we then blame the coach for a loss?
Like I originally said, if you bag the coach for a loss, then you must also by that same logic give him the credit for a win.
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I bag the coach for the pathetic offense he's had since the day he walked into the building. A super human athlete at QB makes him competent all of a sudden?
 
bOODRO87 said:
So far I've seen the blame on O'Brien and not our defense which has regressed in one of the craziest fashions I've ever seen.

I just don't see the reasoning of wanting to fire O'Brien after this unprecedented season. It seems very knee-jerk but I understand people want to take out their frustrations on someone. It's easy to look back and criticize him going conservative but it's not his fault our defense cannot play defense.
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It's not one season. It's 4 seasons of crap on O when anyone not named Watson is QB..

And the defense going bad is why you don't go conservative on offense. You can't count on the D.
 
OB is an above average OC if that’s his one and only job. But that’s it.

Steve Wilks Interests me as head coach.
 
RS is numero uno in regards to who should exit first. Those of you who think O'Brien has payed a major role in the draft and FA moves, then he should be packing his bags along with RS. Me, I don't think he had much to do in the way of the draft and certainly didn't get a say in the Osweiler fiasco...but in regards to his coaching, it's been subpar and for those reasons alone, I'd let him go since he's had 4 seasons to get better.

I think O'Brien's biggest fault was his desire to keep his hands on the offense. Godfrey was a puppet, not a challenger. He wound up paying the ultimate price...losing his job, while pretty much every fan knew O'Brien was the one really running the offense. So the team fires Godfrey and O'Brien decided it was in his and the teams best interest that he be the HC and OC. This obviously hasn't worked. I think RS just sat back and thought, if I give him enough rope, he'll hang himself for sure. O'Brien should've went OC hunting and found someone who he could click with and share enough ideas to create a revamped offense that allowed the OC to do his job and O'Brien to focus on being a better HC. Since he did none of these things and he's almost completed year 4, it's really time for to go and find a OC job before trying his hand at HC.

RS goes simply b/c of his record, inability to identify talent, and not being in a position to build a winner when he's had multiple RD1-1 picks and drafts with better than 7 picks. This current teams look can be thrown right over to the maestro himself, RS. Tired of his excuses...even though he rarely offers one or takes blame for the current state of the Texans.

As for O'Brien's success with Watson at the helm. O'Brien can thank Watson for making him look competent as an OC. Watson took many broken plays and made something out of nothing. With this OL, Watson took O'Brien's playbook and converted it to one more commonly known as the Sandlot Playbook. His ability to sustain a play with his legs bought his receivers the time to break routes/coverage and become successful.

It really is time to clean house. Start with a GM who could come in and make lemonade out of the lemons that is the Texans 2018 NFL Draft. Find a new coaching staff that can set the table for 2019 by making a much more competitve team for 2018.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
RS is numero uno in regards to who should exit first. Those of you who think O'Brien has payed a major role in the draft and FA moves, then he should be packing his bags along with RS. Me, I don't think he had much to do in the way of the draft and certainly didn't get a say in the Osweiler fiasco...but in regards to his coaching, it's been subpar and fort hose reasons alone, I'd let him go since he's had 4 seasons to get better.

I think O'Brien's biggest fault was his desire to keep his hands on the offense. Godfrey was a puppet, not a challenger. He wound up paying the ultimate price...losing his job, while pretty much every fan knew O'Brien was the one really running the offense. So the team fires Godfrey and O'Brien decided it was in his and the teams best interest that he be the HC and OC. This obviously hasn't worked. I think RS just sat back and thought, if I give him enough rope, he'll hang himself for sure. O'Brien should've went OC hunting and found someone who he could click with and share enough ideas to create a revamped offense that allowed the OC to do his job and O'Brien to focus on being a better HC. Since he did none of these things and he's almost completed year 4, it's really time for to go and find a OC job before trying his hand at HC.

RS goes simply b/c of his record, inability to identify talent, and not being in a position to build a winner when he's had multiple RD1-1 picks and drafts with better than 7 picks. This current teams look can be thrown right over to the maestro himself, RS. Tired of his excuses...even though he rarely offers one or takes blame for the current state of the Texans.

As for O'Brien's success with Watson at the helm. O'Brien can thank Watson for making him look competent as an OC. Watson took many broken plays and made something out of nothing. With this OL, Watson converted O'Brien's playbook and converted it to one more commonly known as the Sandlot Playbook. His ability to sustain a play with his legs bought his receivers the time to break routes/coverage and become successful.

It really is time to clean house. Start with a GM who could come in and make lemonade out of the lemons that is the Texans 2018 NFL Draft. Find a new coaching staff that can set the table for 2019 by making a much more competitve team for 2018.
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Disagree.
This season would definitely have been completely different if not for the injuries to key players and any intelligent student of the game would understand that.
All we need is to bolster the Oline - no need to throw any babies out with the bathwater.
 
Texansphan said:
Again, didn't Watson throw an int v Seattle that cost us a win?
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Negative since the int was basically a hope and a prayer with 16 seconds left in the game. We had the lead/game with 1:39 left in the game and the defense let Wilson drive down the field for a touchdown. So no, Watson did not cost us the game. The defense did and in the opinions of some Bill did with his playcalling when the offense had the ball with the lead and he went pedestrian in the playcalling giving the ball to Miller in the same hole on first and second down and again up the middle on 3rd instead of using Watson's flexibility to get the first down that would have clinched the game.

Watson had a couple of bad int's that game but obviously came back from it to give us the lead.
 
deucetx said:
Negative since the int was basically a hope and a prayer with 16 seconds left in the game. We had the lead/game with 1:39 left in the game and the defense let Wilson drive down the field for a touchdown. So no, Watson did not cost us the game. The defense did and in the opinions of some Bill did with his playcalling when the offense had the ball with the lead and he went pedestrian in the playcalling giving the ball to Miller in the same hole on first and second down and again up the middle on 3rd instead of using Watson's flexibility to get the first down that would have clinched the game.

Watson had a couple of bad int's that game but obviously came back from it to give us the lead.
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Did you forget Corey Moore dropped the game-winning INT? He literally had it in his hands.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
RS is numero uno in regards to who should exit first. Those of you who think O'Brien has payed a major role in the draft and FA moves, then he should be packing his bags along with RS. Me, I don't think he had much to do in the way of the draft and certainly didn't get a say in the Osweiler fiasco...but in regards to his coaching, it's been subpar and fort hose reasons alone, I'd let him go since he's had 4 seasons to get better.

I think O'Brien's biggest fault was his desire to keep his hands on the offense. Godfrey was a puppet, not a challenger. He wound up paying the ultimate price...losing his job, while pretty much every fan knew O'Brien was the one really running the offense. So the team fires Godfrey and O'Brien decided it was in his and the teams best interest that he be the HC and OC. This obviously hasn't worked. I think RS just sat back and thought, if I give him enough rope, he'll hang himself for sure. O'Brien should've went OC hunting and found someone who he could click with and share enough ideas to create a revamped offense that allowed the OC to do his job and O'Brien to focus on being a better HC. Since he did none of these things and he's almost completed year 4, it's really time for to go and find a OC job before trying his hand at HC.

RS goes simply b/c of his record, inability to identify talent, and not being in a position to build a winner when he's had multiple RD1-1 picks and drafts with better than 7 picks. This current teams look can be thrown right over to the maestro himself, RS. Tired of his excuses...even though he rarely offers one or takes blame for the current state of the Texans.

As for O'Brien's success with Watson at the helm. O'Brien can thank Watson for making him look competent as an OC. Watson took many broken plays and made something out of nothing. With this OL, Watson converted O'Brien's playbook and converted it to one more commonly known as the Sandlot Playbook. His ability to sustain a play with his legs bought his receivers the time to break routes/coverage and become successful.

It really is time to clean house. Start with a GM who could come in and make lemonade out of the lemons that is the Texans 2018 NFL Draft. Find a new coaching staff that can set the table for 2019 by making a much more competitve team for 2018.
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I agree with this post, but the OC job was forced on BOB. IMHO

Doesn't really matter, BOB will be gone after this season, this was all part of Ricky's plan. IMHO
 
Texansphan said:
Disagree.
This season would definitely have been completely different if not for the injuries to key players and any intelligent student of the game would understand that.
All we need is to bolster the Oline - no need to throw any babies out with the bathwater.
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There's been over a decade of bathwater. The only baby thrown out was Kubiak. Maybe it's time to throw everything out with that bathwater and start over with people who have a clue about roster building.
 
patrick

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“No. I have no idea.” Bill O’Brien on if agent and the #Texans organization have discussed a contract extension.

9:06 AM - Dec 11, 2017

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“I signed a 5-year contract. I expect to be back next year.” Bill O’Brien on his coaching future. #Texans

9:06 AM - Dec 11, 2017

Deshaun Watson

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& I want OB with me!
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10:21 AM - Dec 11, 2017
 
Speedy said:
A super human athlete at QB makes him competent all of a sudden?
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I think it could be argued that BO'b used DW in the best possible way. I think it was 50/50 in regards to BO'b and DW. It seems that BO'b had a better feel as to how to use an athletic Qb. If anything before DW it seems BO'b as a head coach and offensive coordinator was much like Jeff Fisher.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Wow all I can do is laugh at these type of assumptions.
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You think BOB wanted to fire Godsey

Giving BOB credit is that he decided to tailor his offense around Watson's strengths, after he went against Ricky's will and started Watson. The fact BOB did this on the fly and was able to put up 30 pts per game almost ensure's BOB will get another job.

Watson wanting BOB to stay means McNair will have to give BOB an extension. This will throw a monkey wrench into Ricky's plan. Unless Ricky carries more weight than Watson which is probable.
 
steelbtexan said:
You think BOB wanted to fire Godsey
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He should have. He had taken away play calling. Firing friends is tough but sometimes has to be done.

Giving BOB credit is that he decided to tailor his offense around Watson's strengths, after he went against Ricky's will and started Watson.
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You'll assert as fact any rumor you think looks bad for RS.

The fact BOB did this on the fly and was able to put up 30 pts per game almost ensure's BOB will get another job.
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The fact he had to do it in the fly points heavily to the rumor being false. His actions and words in not having Watson split reps demonstrate Savage was his plan.

Watson wanting BOB to stay means McNair will have to give BOB an extension.
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Bull. They can tell OB to play and his final year and they'll see how it goes. Even SB winning coaches have had to do that.

This will throw a monkey wrench into Ricky's plan. Unless Ricky carries more weight than Watson which is probable.
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You mean into your delusion.
 
If the players get behind O'Brian, the same way the Notre Dame players did in helping get Rudy an opportunity to dress for the final game...then my personal opinion could be swayed by their commitment.
 
infantrycak said:
He should have. He had taken away play calling. Firing friends is tough but sometimes has to be done.



You'll assert as fact any rumor you think looks bad for RS.



The fact he had to do it in the fly points heavily to the rumor being false. His actions and words in not having Watson split reps demonstrate Savage was his plan.



Bull. They can tell OB to play and his final year and they'll see how it goes. Even SB winning coaches have had to do that.



You mean into your delusion.
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Once again something comes straight out of BOB's mouth and it's a rumor/lie.

As far as all of the other stuff, this is and has been a dysfunctional franchise over the past few yrs. You can continue to live in denial all you want.

Speaking of delusional, the way you look at the Texans org borders on delusional. Or have you even watched the product they put on the field this yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
Once again something comes straight out of BOB's mouth and it's a rumor/lie.
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What are you talking about? The rumor on starting Watson was annonymous.

I've never seen an OB quote saying someone ordered him to fire Godsey.

Saying you didn't want to do something =/= was ordered. I didn't want to put Elvis down. I wasn't ordered to do it.

If that's the kind of quote you are using to say he was ordered, you're just proving your bias.
 
steelbtexan said:
You think BOB wanted to fire Godsey

Giving BOB credit is that he decided to tailor his offense around Watson's strengths, after he went against Ricky's will and started Watson. The fact BOB did this on the fly and was able to put up 30 pts per game almost ensure's BOB will get another job.

Watson wanting BOB to stay means McNair will have to give BOB an extension. This will throw a monkey wrench into Ricky's plan. Unless Ricky carries more weight than Watson which is probable.
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I love how you change up or move the goal post to fit your narrative. Bill O'Brien named Savage the starter way before the draft started. So where are you getting your crazy talk from. They both agreed on Savage being the freaking starter.

Watson is still a pup in the game. He has no say so on who stays and who goes. If McNair wants him gone, he's out of here. And Watson will have to get well acquainted with whoever is brought in.

BOB didn't do jack turkey skit on the fly. Watson ability to extend plays, utilize his high football IQ and on point accuracy is what help put up those points.

Love how you only want to give Bill all the credit for that. If he was a legit coach, he would've started Yates quite a few games ago. But he throws Savage right back out there knowing damn well he's going to stink up the joint.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I love how you change up or move the goal post to fit your narrative. Bill O'Brien named Savage the starter way before the draft started. So where are you getting your crazy talk from. They both agreed on Savage being the freaking starter.

Watson is still a pup in the game. He has no say so on who stays and who goes. If McNair wants him gone, he's out of here. And Watson will have to get well acquainted with whoever is brought in.

BOB didn't do jack turkey skit on the fly. Watson ability to extend plays, utilize his high football IQ and on point accuracy is what help put up those points.

Love how you only want to give Bill all the credit for that. If he was a legit coach, he would've started Yates quite a few games ago. But he throws Savage right back out there knowing damn well he's going to stink up the joint.
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Are you saying BOB didn't change his offense to fit DW4's skills?

Just know I want BOB gone too for different reasons. But BOB's getting a bad deal here from Ricky. Exactly like Kubiak got a raw deal from Ricky.

One thing that's not deniable is Ricky is working on his 2nd regime with the same results. Kubiak = 2-14 due to lack of depth/injuries which fall on Ricky. BOB = probably 4-12 for the same reasons.

But hey, McNair lets just keep on doing what your doing. Tickets are sold out and we can always do some eatin/drinkin (We need too) Tailgaitin. The product on th
 
Texansballer74 said:
I love how you change up or move the goal post to fit your narrative. Bill O'Brien named Savage the starter way before the draft started. So where are you getting your crazy talk from. They both agreed on Savage being the freaking starter.
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After the debacle of game 1 some (cough**OB supporter**cough) came out with this annonymous story that makes absolutely zero sense.

Bill O’Brien changed quarterbacks just 30 minutes into the season, going from Tom Savage to rookie Deshaun Watson in the opener.

But SportsRadio 610 has learned that O’Brien wanted to make the move much earlier.

According to a source with knowledge of the situation, O’Brien wanted to promote Watson after his performance in Week 1 of the preseason against the Carolina Panthers, but was talked out of it by general manager Rick Smith.

The source was not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity.
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Link
 
infantrycak said:
After the debacle of game 1 some (cough**OB supporter**cough) came out with this annonymous story that makes absolutely zero sense.



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I remember when this article came out. Just another plot against Rick Smith. Most definitely gave Steel these blank bullets to use in his constant bashing/blaming towards Rick Smith.

Man once Watson went down and the injuries kept mounting up. I knew the blame Rick game would heat up.
 
Speedy said:
I bag the coach for the pathetic offense he's had since the day he walked into the building. A super human athlete at QB makes him competent all of a sudden?
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I find it funny that Deshaun Watson played in 7 games this year and in those 7 games he went from being a winner, to being the Michael Jordan of football, to being a super human athlete.

In all of 7 games. Before he got IR’d.

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https://twitter.com/TomSavage03/status/940296994966433797?s=17

CND posted this in another thread and I didn’t want to hijack it.

It sounds like behind the scenes OB may have been feeling some heat - got in front of it with an impromptu press conference, and it has been officially put out by Savage. Makes you wonder what is happening behind the scenes. Especially when they start talking about his coaching future with the Texans and you have Clowney and Watson coming out supporting OB.

I wonder if he thought or got the suspicion that he was going to be the fall guy? Maybe one of the doctors tried to put it back on him?
 
It would be a mistake to fire OB when he has one year left for an unproven head coach or just to shake things up. Especially firing him for Lovie Smith.

It would also be a mistake to give him an extension.

Just my opinion.
 
TexansBull said:
It would be a mistake to fire OB when he has one year left for an unproven head coach or just to shake things up. Especially firing him for Lovie Smith.

It would also be a mistake to give him an extension.

Just my opinion.
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I don't think it would be a mistake to fire him but perfectly fine to see him coach his last season as a prove it year.

If he gets fired I want to see a seasoned OC from a consistently successful offensive team. First thought for a target being Darrell Bevell.
 
What are we to make of the rumors of Frank Reich, current Eagles OC and former Oiler spoiler coming here to replace O'Brien?
 
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