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Any1 else think Texas should draft another high rnd QB next draft?

MeatBear77

MeatBear77

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simple question, because Watson was an amazing boost to Hou this yr, if he don't come back the same after the re-injury wouldnt it b a good idea to have another elite guy in the mix?

thinking that this would b a no lose situation because if both guys turn out gr8 then u just trade one for multiples picks in the next yrs draft right?
 
I would look at free agency first. A veteran that can help teach DW how to prep for games, but try to find a mobile QB too. Keenum will probably have a starting gig next year. Peterman ensured Tyrod ain’t going anywhere. EJ Manuel will hit the market. He may be worth it. He isn’t going to take you to the playoffs but what back up QB will?

But I would also have the realistic expectation that if DW goes down again for the season we are in the same boat as we are now. This entire organization is hitched to the DW train from GM, HC, to ball boy.

If we didn’t have so many needs I would say draft, but it isn’t out of the question. And I don’t know how much value at QB there will be in the third round as opposed to Olinemen and secondary players.
 
word around the league is that teams plan to have Lamar Jackson switch positions next year from qb to WR & he's not going for it. If he's available late in the 3rd, i think we need to look at drafting him with our 2nd 3rd to be a back up to DW.
 
Mr teX said:
word around the league is that teams plan to have Lamar Jackson switch positions next year from qb to WR & he's not going for it. If he's available late in the 3rd, i think we need to look at drafting him with our 2nd 3rd to be a back up to DW.
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If he slipped into RD3, might not be a bad idea to have another QB like Watson in the wings. I'd still take 2 OL in RD3 as well as Jackson if he was still on the board. In one of my mock's, I had Mayfield in RD3 but he's going in RD1. Texans are going to be in the market for a QB2 and the FA market isn't looking that great.
 
I am certain the Texans will not use one of their high draft picks on a QB, but the Browns might
 
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I would favor getting a top QB if only we had a 1st round pick. Watson may not be able to stay healthy, and even if he can, he might revert to being another Dak Prescott his 2nd year. Of course we also need O linemen and D backs, but we don't even have a 2nd round to work with.
 
Mr teX said:
word around the league is that teams plan to have Lamar Jackson switch positions next year from qb to WR & he's not going for it. If he's available late in the 3rd, i think we need to look at drafting him with our 2nd 3rd to be a back up to DW.
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No thanks. I’ve seen him miss wide open receivers time and time again. I’m talking 20 yards wide open, many times.
 
MeatBear77 said:
simple question, because Watson was an amazing boost to Hou this yr, if he don't come back the same after the re-injury wouldnt it b a good idea to have another elite guy in the mix?

thinking that this would b a no lose situation because if both guys turn out gr8 then u just trade one for multiples picks in the next yrs draft right?
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Texans don't have a first or 2nd round pick. They couldn't even if they wanted to.
 
MeatBear77 said:
simple question, because Watson was an amazing boost to Hou this yr, if he don't come back the same after the re-injury wouldnt it b a good idea to have another elite guy in the mix?

thinking that this would b a no lose situation because if both guys turn out gr8 then u just trade one for multiples picks in the next yrs draft right?
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You do realize we don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2018? We don't pick anyone until the 3rd round. Also I have to agree with the consensus here, we need to vastly improve our O-line with multiple picks.
 
As if qb was our only problem. I think our secondary needs serious work. The offensive line probably won’t ever get any real upgrade since they have Watson slipping and dodging pass rushers thanks to his cat-like reflexes.

I say let’s go after a good power RB, safeties, and corners that are worth anything in FA, and see what we can get our hands on (best player available) via the draft and UDFA.

I don’t trust Rick Smith picking anything good past the 3rd round.
 
Mangler said:
As if qb was our only problem. I think our secondary needs serious work. The offensive line probably won’t ever get any real upgrade since they have Watson slipping and dodging pass rushers thanks to his cat-like reflexes.

I say let’s go after a good power RB, safeties, and corners that are worth anything in FA, and see what we can get our hands on (best player available) via the draft and UDFA.

I don’t trust Rick Smith picking anything good past the 3rd round.
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I think by now everyone in the Texans FO realize the O-line is the top priority. I don't think they want Watson out there trying to play Houdini every single play. That's just not smart and would probably end his career prematurely. As for RS's record on 3rd round and later picks, well, it may not be the best but lets hope they can package a couple of picks and move up into the 2nd rd. Personally, I hope they do that and pick a good OT to start rebuilding that line. JMO.
 
The secondary gets its biggest boost from a healthy Watt, Clowney, and Mercilus. Throw in the rest of the guys that make up the defensive trenches and this is the unit that has allowed the defensive backfield to look their very best.

I still mocked a SS, FS and CB for 2018. Like I stated, the best remedy for the Texans DB's is a healthy trench unit. I'm still holding out hope that at some point, we the fans are finally going to get to see what this defense can really do with with a healthy Watt, a more savvy Clowney, a dominant Mercilus, a more rounded McKinney and the run stuffers, Reader and Watkins.

RS needs to get JJo inked, Johnson needs to be starting next season and hopefully....KJax can be moved to FS.

The defense in general will be better next season just based on the amount of playing time the backups got this season. Their growth and scheme knowledge will be much better next season and they'll be more effective when called into give breathers versus throwing all of them into a game based on key injuries.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The secondary gets its biggest boost from a healthy Watt, Clowney, and Mercilus. Throw in the rest of the guys that make up the defensive trenches and this is the unit that has allowed the defensive backfield to look their very best.

I still mocked a SS, FS and CB for 2018. Like I stated, the best remedy for the Texans DB's is a healthy trench unit. I'm still holding out hope that at some point, we the fans are finally going to get to see what this defense can really do with with a healthy Watt, a more savvy Clowney, a dominant Mercilus, a more rounded McKinney and the run stuffers, Reader and Watkins.

RS needs to get JJo inked, Johnson needs to be starting next season and hopefully....KJax can be moved to FS.

The defense in general will be better next season just based on the amount of playing time the backups got this season. Their growth and scheme knowledge will be much better next season and they'll be more effective when called into give breathers versus throwing all of them into a game based on key injuries.
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Dont you just get that warm and fuzzy feeling about the Hal/Fiedo/Prosch extensions?

It's better to just LOL at this incompetent org. It's all we can do.
 
We've waited forever to get a QB to build around. We have that now so let's build around him. Then, if that QB does fall victim to the injury bug, the backup would have a halfway decent chance with a better team around him.

So no, I'm not in favor of burning draft picks on a backup QB at this point. Especially when we're short on picks.
 
Every team is fucked when their first QB is going down. If it is only for a couple of games, a better backup might help to get 1 or 2 wins, but if a QB is lost for the season, no backup would be able to really put the team in Super Bowl contention (yeah, I know there were examples... yes I know that the Redskins are really happy they drafted Cousins when they also drafted RG3). So we basically just need a „good enough“ backup. I think Savage fits that mold, if he comes cheap next season. And plenty of other guys on the market would as well.

And as others have said. We have major holes on our OL and in our secondary. And we can use players on just about any other position. We should try to build the best team we can for winning a Super Bowl with our brand new QB, before we think about, how we can still win a Super Bowl if our QB goes down.
 
You know, I'd like to think that the current talent on the OL will get better with playing time but in all reality, the current talent assembled to play OL has hit max and would only regress from here. As for Savage, he's a true pocket-passer with limited mobility...so, have I got to see the real Savage QB this team? Probably not, since this environment is not conducive for his success. I don't think the Texans can find all their answers in the 2018 NFL Draft for reasons we all know. I'd like to see Savage re-sign with the Texans but something tells me, he's going elsewhere, where the situation might be better for his career. If Cousins bails on the Redskins or the Patriots decide they may want a younger veteran to back up Brady....then these teams have offense's that should fit the type of QB Savage is.

The Texans are going to need a QB who is similar to Watson and if its a veteran, he will have to accept that his playing time will be directly linked to Watson's health. If finding the right QB for those circumstances proves to be challenging, then the next step is to find one in the draft. I'm doubting that Jackson (Louisville) falls into RD3 or RD4 but if by some crazy chance he did...his game mirrors that of Watson's and could be a solid draft pick. He has questions in his game but isn't that what good coaching corrects when the "gift of talent" is already there. Jackson wouldn't be expected to compete with Watson for the QB1 spot...he'd be expected to learn and grow in the position with the time that was never afforded to Watson. I could see Jackson doing that. The only hiccup, Jackson would have to fall to COMP Pick area of RD3 or still be on the board early in RD4...only time will tell if that happens.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
You know, I'd like to think that the current talent on the OL will get better with playing time but in all reality, the current talent assembled to play OL has hit max and would only regress from here. As for Savage, he's a true pocket-passer with limited mobility...so, have I got to see the real Savage QB this team? Probably not, since this environment is not conducive for his success. I don't think the Texans can find all their answers in the 2018 NFL Draft for reasons we all know. I'd like to see Savage re-sign with the Texans but something tells me, he's going elsewhere, where the situation might be better for his career. If Cousins bails on the Redskins or the Patriots decide they may want a younger veteran to back up Brady....then these teams have offense's that should fit the type of QB Savage is.

The Texans are going to need a QB who is similar to Watson and if its a veteran, he will have to accept that his playing time will be directly linked to Watson's health. If finding the right QB for those circumstances proves to be challenging, then the next step is to find one in the draft. I'm doubting that Jackson (Louisville) falls into RD3 or RD4 but if by some crazy chance he did...his game mirrors that of Watson's and could be a solid draft pick. He has questions in his game but isn't that what good coaching corrects when the "gift of talent" is already there. Jackson wouldn't be expected to compete with Watson for the QB1 spot...he'd be expected to learn and grow in the position with the time that was never afforded to Watson. I could see Jackson doing that. The only hiccup, Jackson would have to fall to COMP Pick area of RD3 or still be on the board early in RD4...only time will tell if that happens.
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Nope, got to scrub Jackson...he's being picked by to many analyst to go in RD1. Teams may view him as a Watson type talent and how many teams are kicking themselves now that they got to see what he could deliver at the next level. Wouldn't be too surprised if he jumps or splits Rosen and Darnold.

I could keep my Mock picks the way they were and settle for signing Anu Solomon (Arizona / Baylor) as an UDFA / Developmental QB. He has similar tools as Watson but he's going to need a season or two to get stronger, healthier and acclimated to the position.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Nope, got to scrub Jackson...he's being picked by to many analyst to go in RD1. Teams may view him as a Watson type talent and how many teams are kicking themselves now that they got to see what he could deliver at the next level. Wouldn't be too surprised if he jumps or splits Rosen and Darnold.

I could keep my Mock picks the way they were and settle for signing Anu Solomon (Arizona / Baylor) as an UDFA / Developmental QB. He has similar tools as Watson but he's going to need a season or two to get stronger, healthier and acclimated to the position.
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Why couldn’t you pick up Solomon as an UDFA and keep him on the practice squad, but pick up a free agent like EJ Manuel?/RG3?
 
TexansBull said:
Why couldn’t you pick up Solomon as an UDFA and keep him on the practice squad, but pick up a free agent like EJ Manuel?/RG3?
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I would be in agreement with this move. What if Tyrod Taylor is released by the Bills? I might be inclined to pick him up if he were to be cut.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I would be in agreement with this move. What if Tyrod Taylor is released by the Bills? I might be inclined to pick him up if he were to be cut.
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I agree Tyrod Taylor would be better. But after the Peterman experiment I think they keep him. They may draft another QB too. Next year is his last year I think.

Regardless, I think next year is going to beat expectations in free agent QBs.

Alex Smith
Kirk Cousins
Sam Bradford
Case Keenum
AJ McCarron
Eli Manning?
Tyrod Taylor?

Surprise trade - Phillip Rivers???

Teams like the Jaguars and Denver will be shopping hard.
 
TexansBull said:
Teams like the Jaguars and Denver will be shopping hard.
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I'll guess that Coughlin and the Jags trade for Eli and draft a QB for the future. Elway and the Broncos will go hard after Cousins.

Speaking of the Jags, Bortles will be out the door in 2018. No one will offer him a starting gig. How about a one year deal as the Texans backup? He's mobile enough to run the offense. I'd prefer Taylor, but Blake would be OK for a season.
 
Lucky said:
I'll guess that Coughlin and the Jags trade for Eli and draft a QB for the future. Elway and the Broncos will go hard after Cousins.

Speaking of the Jags, Bortles will be out the door in 2018. No one will offer him a starting gig. How about a one year deal as the Texans backup? He's mobile enough to run the offense. I'd prefer Taylor, but Blake would be OK for a season.
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That would be good too. I wouldn’t have a problem with Bortles even for a three year deal while we groom or wait to draft or pickup someone else. Bortles is a Hoyer type of back up to me. Good enough to win games in a crunch, but not a long term solution.

Could be like a Fitzpatrick/Hoyer/Keenum type of back up. Better than a Savage/Hundley.
 
another high

what is your definition of high? Thorn and I probably have a different idea in mind...

makes me wonder... are you enjoying?
 
cameronkrazie86 said:
I would use every single pick on an offensive lineman. The Texans could have up to 9 picks in next year's draft, use them all on linemen and hope to god they can find some competent players to protect Watson when he comes back.
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I might consider this as well. The defense has one truly enormous issue (apart from just being beat up) and that is needing help in the secondary. I'd be tempted to get everybody back, go look for help in the secondary in free agency like we did back when we got Manning and Joseph, and then draft linemen like a madman.

I probably wouldn't actually do it but it sure does sound appealing after watching this bunch of dipsticks try to block people.
 
Use a late round pick on a similar style QB to Watson picking up one of the soon to be free agents will be a waste of time bring in a young mobile Qb like Watson so if he does God forbid goes down again there will be no need to change the offensive system.
 
edwardc5637 said:
Use a late round pick on a similar style QB to Watson picking up one of the soon to be free agents will be a waste of time bring in a young mobile Qb like Watson so if he does God forbid goes down again there will be no need to change the offensive system.
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Actually, I think Anu Solomon (Baylor via Arizona) might be a very good development QB who has similar traits and could be signed as an UDFA. Tyrod Taylor may be the perfect answer as QB2 since the Bills probably cut ties with him at seasons end.

That could give the Texans, QB1- Watson / QB2- Taylor / QB3 or PS- Solomon for the 2018 season and beyond.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Actually, I think Anu Solomon (Baylor via Arizona) might be a very good development QB who has similar traits and could be signed as an UDFA. Tyrod Taylor may be the perfect answer as QB2 since the Bills probably cut ties with him at seasons end.

That could give the Texans, QB1- Watson / QB2- Taylor / QB3 or PS- Solomon for the 2018 season and beyond.
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Only thing about taylor he's going to cost a nice penny to get here.As for solomon that can work he maybe a good choice for development.
 
edwardc5637 said:
Only thing about taylor he's going to cost a nice penny to get here.As for solomon that can work he maybe a good choice for development.
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Taylor may not have teams knocking down his door. He's been considered a failure in Buffalo but that may be tough to determine. He's going to be considered a "Bridge QB" for any team that signs him in 2018, provided the Bills release him. It may depend on the cap relief he provides as well.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Taylor may not have teams knocking down his door. He's been considered a failure in Buffalo but that may be tough to determine. He's going to be considered a "Bridge QB" for any team that signs him in 2018, provided the Bills release him. It may depend on the cap relief he provides as well.
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True he won't have teams knocking but if the price is right i would like for him to be here.
 
Not this offseason , just don't have the assets to spare when so many other positions are in dire need of upgrade , starting with the OL which needs at least 2 and ideally 3 starters via the draft and FA .... the defensive backfield and lets not for get TE as I have my doubts as to whether those on the roster now are mentally competent next season..
 
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