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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

This guy is a bad ass!

I think he doesn't get as much credit because we've been spoiled with Watt. He's not at the level of peak Watt... but honestly, who is? He was trending to be the best defensive player of all-time. That shouldn't take away from what Clowney is doing right now.

The real question is, has he quieted the "We should've drafted Mack" critics?
 
thunderkyss said:
It would be better for us if we could mix it up... where Clowney, Watt, & Mercilus can pick their spots & opposing teams don't know which will wreck havoc on a given play.
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Interested in seeing how Lamar Houston, Watkins, Cole and Covington add to mix.
 
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IDEXAN said:
Jadeveon Clowney hunkered down at the line of scrimmage, a man determined to stonewall Arizona Cardinals veteran running back Adrian Peterson one more time.

In another disruptive display during a season filled with them, the Texans' Pro Bowl pass rusher busted into the Cardinals' backfield as he and rookie linebacker Zach Cunningham swarmed Peterson for a 1-yard loss on a clutch fourth-quarter tackle.


The turnover on downs after the ill-fated 4th-and-1 call was one of the key plays of a 31-21 victory Sunday during which Peterson was bottled up. The former NFL Most Valuable Player was limited to just 26 rushing yards on 14 carries. Clowney thoroughly dominated with five tackles, three for losses, two sacks and three quarterback hits.

The Texans' hybrid outside linebacker-defensive end was practically unblockable, especially on this pivotal fourth-down sequence midway through the fourth quarter as Cardinals coach Bruce Arians made a decision to go for it that he later regretted.


"I wasn't surprised," Clowney said. "It was a decision they needed to make that first down. The play itself, they got me early in the game. On the first play of the game, I peeked my head inside and (Peterson) bounced outside on me. I said I wasn't going to do that anymore in the game.
Clowney established a new career high with eight sacks after finishing with six sacks last season when he was named to the Pro Bowl for the first time.

"Clowney, of course, was just phenomenal," Texans owner Bob McNair said. "Oh, he is something. On every play, if he isn't making the tackle or knocking the ball down or sacking, he's making the quarterback move around or redirect. He's stopping the running play. He's just hard to defend."

Clowney has 15 tackles for losses, one less than he recorded all of last season and now has 41 for his career to pass linebacker Brian Cushing for the fourth-most in franchise history.
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http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Jadeveon-Clowney-dominates-Cardinals-12370029.php
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Bob McNair, Texans owner, says Clowney was phenomenal ? Of course he was phenomenal, and that's because he's JD Freakin Clowney.
BTW, another one of Rick Smiths Draft picks.
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Bear in mind...if RS had gotten the package of picks he desired, the Texans would've never made Clowney the #1 pick. Not one other team had the desire to move up and draft Clowney...everyone was steering clear of that pick. The proverbial blind squirrel finding a nut bit, identifies RS's luck at Clowney's recovery.
 
dream_team said:
This guy is a bad ass!

I think he doesn't get as much credit because we've been spoiled with Watt. He's not at the level of peak Watt... but honestly, who is? He was trending to be the best defensive player of all-time. That shouldn't take away from what Clowney is doing right now.

The real question is, has he quieted the "We should've drafted Mack" critics?
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No...the real question should be; has Su'a-Filo done enough to make fans regret the fact that the Texans didn't take Derek Carr instead?

As for Clowney, I didn't like the idea that the team was drafting a player to use out of his natural position. Had they already forgotten the Mercilus project? That took a few years to get that development process to go positive. Clowney was a natural DE and he basically proved that last season. Mack was a natural OLB and he's proved that each and every year since he was drafted. I wonder how that would've worked for the Texans if the team had gotten Mack (RD1) and Carr (RD2) instead. I think the team would've had a solid 4 years to get the OL questions answered.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
It will be interesting on who to keep. Watt owns the keys to this city for all the off field stuff he does. Hard to imagine the Texans releasing him when they should. Can't pay both and a Clowney 100M deal is looking like more the possibility. Gonna have to franchise him a year or two.
 
Uncle Rico said:
It will be interesting on who to keep. Watt owns the keys to this city for all the off field stuff he does. Hard to imagine the Texans releasing him when they should. Can't pay both and a Clowney 100M deal is looking like more the possibility. Gonna have to franchise him a year or two.
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might be a good problem to have

If Watt comes back strong, then some very good trade potential could be there

Salary cap will be an issue regardless
 
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Justis Mosqueda@JuMosq

NFL DL/EDGE types by tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage this year. Jadeveon Clowney jumped Calais Campbell this week. Alex Okafor was 14th in the NFL. Now out for the year.

1:06 PM - Nov 20, 2017

Adam Wexler@awexlerKPRC

Oh by the way, #Texans @clownejd leads the NFL in TFL with 15 after 3 more in yesterday's game vs Cardinals. Also 1 of 7 w/ at least 8 sacks, 10 TFL, 10 QB hits

6:14 AM - Nov 20, 2017
 
Uncle Rico said:
I've been waiting for JJ to come back strong for 2 years now. That ship may be getting ready to sail.
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I hate to say it (because it's JJ), but completely agree with you. I don't think he comes back near the same player. Back and knee injuries at that position will continue to haunt him with his style of play.

Clowney has been a beast this season. Who knows how long his knees will hold out, but I say use his best years in a Texans uniform even if you have to tag him to do it.
 
The old adage is, "much wiser to trade them while they are still at a high level, than when they have crested and moved into decline." I don't think Clowney's value has ever been higher. I think he might be worth a first, (if he doesn't get injured before the end of the season). It surely would go a long way toward protection and success of our young phenom !
 
Double Barrel said:
I hate to say it (because it's JJ), but completely agree with you. I don't think he comes back near the same player. Back and knee injuries at that position will continue to haunt him with his style of play.

Clowney has been a beast this season. Who knows how long his knees will hold out, but I say use his best years in a Texans uniform even if you have to tag him to do it.
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I'm not advocating to do it because he's done enough for the franchise that he deserves all the time he needs, but I'm betting that when it's all said and done we'll look back and say we should have cut our losses at this point.

What I saw on the play he went down on was him losing out due to his loss of core stability and sustaining further injury trying to overcompensate.

The one slight hope is that his back/core has had enough time to properly recover and he gets over the leg issues without complication, but i wouldn't bet on it.

I had a lumbar puncture go wrong 12 years ago which chipped a tiny bit of bone from a vertebrae.

In work last week my back gave out and I've been on morphine just to get through the days. Happens every 6 months or so with little warning.

It's such a complex area where one small issue just compounds into a multitude of knock on effects that I have little hope of ever reaching that equilibrium of my entire core being strong again and getting over it completely. I doubt time pressure to compete at a professional level in sports would be much help to any back/core issues.
 
welsh texan said:
What I saw on the play he went down on was him losing out due to his loss of core stability and sustaining further injury trying to overcompensate.
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No offense but you saw incorrectly. Here’s a link, you have to watch until the end, that shows the play. Watt and Scarlett were running a stunt and it looks like BS kicked his foot, he tripped and stuck his leg out and he landed really awkwardly. This has nothing to do with core strength. When you lose your balance while battling another 300lber stuff like this can happen. This play was bad luck. Could’ve happened even if he had never injured his back. He may never be the old JJ but his back wasn’t the cause of this play.

 
otisbean said:
No offense but you saw incorrectly. Here’s a link, you have to watch until the end, that shows the play. Watt and Scarlett were running a stunt and it looks like BS kicked his foot, he tripped and stuck his leg out and he landed really awkwardly. This has nothing to do with core strength. When you lose your balance while battling another 300lber stuff like this can happen. This play was bad luck. Could’ve happened even if he had never injured his back. He may never be the old JJ but his back wasn’t the cause of this play.

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otisbean. it hard for me to tell for sure, but from what I can see, when he awkwardly fell, his knee would have had all of its weight/impact placed on the medial condyle, as the lower leg was torqued medially. As his fracture had to be an inferior lateral plateau fracture(see my explanation of why (revealed by the location of the surgical scar) in the Injury Thread), the injury most likely would have occurred when he was attempting to get back up from the trip, when his lower leg was out to the side in relationship to his upper leg, thus placing all of his torque/weight on the lateral condyle where the fracture occurred. At that point in time, he was under no resistance by a defensive lineman. Successfully recovering from the trip would have required his gluteus maximus (hip rotation) and other core muscles to bring his lower extremity back into proper alignment with more equal distribution of weight on the plateau. Whether the core was a major contribution or not toward his injury is hard to definitely determine, but I feel it likely contributed to his injury. I would welcome any further comment.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
otisbean. it hard for me to tell for sure, but from what I can see, when he awkwardly fell, his knee would have had all of its weight/impact placed on the medial condyle, as the lower leg was torqued medially. As his fracture had to be an inferior lateral plateau fracture(see my explanation of why (revealed by the location of the surgical scar) in the Injury Thread), the injury most likely would have occurred when he was attempting to get back up from the trip, when his lower leg was out to the side in relationship to his upper leg, thus placing all of his torque/weight on the lateral condyle where the fracture occurred. At that point in time, he was under no resistance by a defensive lineman. Successfully recovering from the trip would have required his gluteus maximus (hip rotation) and other core muscles to bring his lower extremity back into proper alignment with more equal distribution of weight on the plateau. Whether the core was a major contribution or not toward his injury is hard to definitely determine, but I feel it likely contributed to his injury. I would welcome any further comment.
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But Doc I thought that's what JJ spent a lot of his time doing this past off season was strengthening his core muscles. At least I thought I remembered reading somewhere (Maybe on this board.) that that's what they were working on to strengthen after his 2nd back surgery. Didn't he say something about changing his workouts to do this or am I just imagining things?
 
Insideop said:
But Doc I thought that's what JJ spent a lot of his time doing this past off season was strengthening his core muscles. At least I thought I remembered reading somewhere (Maybe on this board.) that that's what they were working on to strengthen after his 2nd back surgery. Didn't he say something about changing his workouts to do this or am I just imagining things?
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You're not imaging things. Of course, Watt was focusing his efforts in strengthening his core. Once you have 2 microdiscectomies, you have lost volume in the disc bringing the adjacent vertebral segments closer together leaving this area predisposed to injury with twisting or compressive actions when bending or being bent back, especially against resistance. The very nature of the injury and surgeries empirically limit some type of core-strengthening exercises and the amount of weights that can be used for core exercises. Watt will always be compromised in his core to some extent, despite his best efforts. Not only that, but with his compromised disc structure/function, it takes only one play.........a twist, a fall, a hard landing to lead to an injury necessitating formal back surgery.
 
PapaL said:
Came across this on reddit; clips of Clowney's athleticism during the 49ers game.

https://twitter.com/VeteranScout/status/940668412979593217
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His season on season improvement at this point in his career is incredible. If his knee somehow holds out he's on course to become a HOF candidate with this trajectory and is proving exactly why the Texans spent 1.1 on him.

We're very lucky that weve got the cap space we do because we're going to be able to tag him a twice after his 5th year option, and it's the best thing to do because of concerns over his longevity.

It's hard to have any hope of Watt coming back strong but if he does weve got the best attack in the league, especially with Merci across from him. Just a shame him and JJ haven't ever been truly healthy at the same time.
 
welsh texan said:
His season on season improvement at this point in his career is incredible. If his knee somehow holds out he's on course to become a HOF candidate with this trajectory and is proving exactly why the Texans spent 1.1 on him.

We're very lucky that weve got the cap space we do because we're going to be able to tag him a twice after his 5th year option, and it's the best thing to do because of concerns over his longevity.

It's hard to have any hope of Watt coming back strong but if he does weve got the best attack in the league, especially with Merci across from him. Just a shame him and JJ haven't ever been truly healthy at the same time.
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Not putting in an injury de-escalator clause in any contract offered to JDC would be beyond a travesty. Pay the man what he's worth but protect the team as well.
I expect our negotiations to start with him this offseason. Hopefully he continues to grow. This man is a rare talent even by NFL standards.
 
PapaL said:
Not putting in an injury de-escalator clause in any contract offered to JDC would be beyond a travesty. Pay the man what he's worth but protect the team as well.
I expect our negotiations to start with him this offseason. Hopefully he continues to grow. This man is a rare talent even by NFL standards.
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i agree completely. Although, i can see why a tag would be used once doing it twice would basically be spitting in his face. He has earned the right to be paid for stepping up for Watt and being the new force on the Dline
 
adama51 said:
i agree completely. Although, i can see why a tag would be used once doing it twice would basically be spitting in his face. He has earned the right to be paid for stepping up for Watt and being the new force on the Dline
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Nobody has earned the right to blind optimism. Sign him to possibly overpaid serial 2-3 year deals. Either that or if he absolutely insists on longer term, use roster bonuses and severe de-escalator clauses. Acting as if he will be healthy 5-7 years at any point is folly. If he won't go with that franchise him twice, try again and then say bye.
 
infantrycak said:
Nobody has earned the right to blind optimism. Sign him to possibly overpaid serial 2-3 year deals. Either that or if he absolutely insists on longer term, use roster bonuses and severe de-escalator clauses. Acting as if he will be healthy 5-7 years at any point is folly. If we won't go with that franchise him twice, try again and then say bye.
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That's what I was agreeing with PapaL about. I wasn't saying machine-gun money at him. Pay him well but just give him a good 3-year back-loaded deal with exactly what you said(even though I didn't think of the roster bonuses, those would be good too). I just don't want ANOTHER disgruntled key player fiasco and I'm sure the FO doesn't either.
 
PapaL said:
Congrats to Clowney for making consecutive ProBowls as he heads into his contract year. Someone is going to pay him big money.
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Right on that & congrats to both him & D-Hop for mking it after the Texans have had such a miserable year where fan support tends to thinner vs a stron yar for the team.
I dunno do they still select these pro-bowl teams based upon the triumvirate of fan voting player voting, & coaches voting and is one weighted heavier than the others ? Of course with no more trips to Hawaii for the game, Orlando instead is not such a big treat to make the team.
The bigger honor is the all-pro selections though I sometimes wonder if perhaps the media bias and homerism is not as bad as it is with the fans ?
 
CLOWNEY is a bad man. He has is all going for him. I can only hope this team puts other pieces in place turn this defense back into a force.
 
IDEXAN said:
Even adding JJ & Mercilus back to the current D, thing is it's probably only the second best D in the AFC South.
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Yeah, the Jags added a nasty front seven to their shut-down 4. Texans on the other hand, have a very nasty front seven when healthy but don't even possess one shut-down DB. But, the Texans back four will look half-way decent when the front seven are doing their damage.

This is really too much for a one year turnaround. Get solid pieces in the 2018 draft and focus on the 2019 draft. At at the conclusion of that season, if the holes in the team haven't been substantially reduced, it may be time for a gradual tear down and rebuild.
 
welsh texan said:
His season on season improvement at this point in his career is incredible. If his knee somehow holds out he's on course to become a HOF candidate with this trajectory and is proving exactly why the Texans spent 1.1 on him.
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Really? I don't see it. I mean, I like Clowney just fine, but he hasn't accomplished to this point in his career what Mario Williams did for the Texans, and the team just let him walk with no real effort to re-sign him (correct decision, btw). And I know sacks aren't the be all, end all of things, but I'd expect a few more out of a freakishly athletic specimen. He plays the run well, he gets into the backfield, and he's disruptive, but like I said, I don't see how to this point in his career his production stacks up against plenty of other players, much less on a HOF track. But hey, I hope he blows the top off this things and has a few 12-15 sack seasons while keeping up his TFLs.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Yeah, the Jags added a nasty front seven to their shut-down 4. Texans on the other hand, have a very nasty front seven when healthy but don't even possess one shut-down DB.
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If they can put it all together for a season, or even the majority of one, I like a LB corps of Dylan Cole, Zach Cunningham, and McKinney. Put that behind a front four of Clowney, Mercilus, Watt, and Reader, and I think you have something special. Cole and Cunningham bring exceptional athleticism to their position and McKinney is getting better all the time.
 
DocBar said:
They will make the secondary look better by pressuring the QB into getting rid of the ball sooner just like secondaries make pass rushers look better by making them hold the ball longer and getting coverage sacks.
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Better as in, instead of comically bad to just awful?
 
When Texans defensive end Jadeveon Clowney calledJaguars quarterback Blake Bortles "trash"after a lopsided 45-7 loss on Sunday, he inspired Jacksonville fans.

Their inspiration in turn inspired Clowney.

After the "trash" comment, some Jaguars fans jumped online and started ordering trash cans to be sent to Clowney at NRG Stadium.

On Friday, Clowney posted a photo on Twitter of himself with a van-load full of toys that he said he would use to fill up all the trash cans sent to him and give them to deserving families at Houston shelter The Mission of Yahweh.
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That's pretty cool, and that makes Clowney pretty cool.
Dang I forget who was that guy who drafted Clowney, a two time probowler and a pretty cool guy to boot.
 
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