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State of the O-line
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They were talking about this on 790 yesterday and 610 last night.
infantrycak
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Since those guys have so much insider information. Local radio sports hosts pull off national scoop.
By the way, was the word "may" involved?
The numbers are what they are.
Number19
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I heard it around noonish on KTRH 740 on the Limbaugh show.
infantrycak
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Wasn't an issue of the numbers. It was the claim the NFL is repaying advertisers.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
That's El Rushbo pushing his agenda .
I have no doubt they're down but it's more than the kneeling .
If the numbers are way off it makes since that they would have to repay the advertisers or risk losing them.
Agreed,
But the main reason for the drop in numbers is the kneeling, (Not the only reason) or do you think the it's happenstance that the drop in numbers coincides with the kneeling? I believe this yr is the yr thatlongtime NFL fans have said enough is enough with the London games, Zeke/Brady etc... fans are fed up and moving on to different things and realize that they aren't really missing the NFL.
infantrycak
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Didn't ask for what makes sense. Asked for a link/source.
Except it doesn't coincide with the kneeling. The slump pre-dates kneeling and extends to non-kneeling sports like the uber patriotic NASCAR which is in an even bigger slump.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think it's some of the kneeling , they can't nail down viewership because of different watching venues , it's a diluted product because there's not enough good players especially at QB , it's an over exposed product that leads to injuries , and let's face it , you go to see the raw violence of the game and now that's a penalty .
I found Steelb a new avatar....
Number19
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Good find; but you do have to note that this is from Oct 10, only through week 5.
Expectations were for viewship to improve and from the reports earlier this week this may not have occurred.
badboy
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agreed most recent info I could find on a brief search. NFL needs to better product to get fans back no matter the reason numbers down. Today Dec 1st 16 teams below 500 and Dallas at 6-6. Lots of fans don't want to follow a team like these.
Kendall Lamm, who replaced Clark in the Monday night loss at Baltimore, is expected to start at left tackle for the second time this season, but O'Brien mentioned several possibilities against the Titans.
"We've got a number of different ways we can go," he said. "Obviously, Kendall's played there. We promoted (guard) Chad Slade (from practice squad). Breno (Giacomini) could move over there. Jeff Allen's played tackle.
"We'll look at the options we have."
Rookie Julién Davenport might be the starter if not for a nagging shoulder injury that'll keep him out of a third consecutive game.
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Thar's a motely group they've got lined up to play LT for the Texans this weekend in Nashville. And that's going against a Titans D that's still probably seriously pizzed-off about the azz-whipping that Deshawn & his guys handed the Titans last time they met, earlier this year here in Houston. I'm kinda worried about poor Tom Savage being a punching bag again for the Titans defense.
BTW Davenport will be of no assistance Sunday as he's been declared out for this game. I sure hope he's able to play some ball in what remains of this year and acquire some NFL experience but I'm getting concerned he might end up on IR.
"We've got a number of different ways we can go," he said. "Obviously, Kendall's played there. We promoted (guard) Chad Slade (from practice squad). Breno (Giacomini) could move over there. Jeff Allen's played tackle.
"We'll look at the options we have."
Rookie Julién Davenport might be the starter if not for a nagging shoulder injury that'll keep him out of a third consecutive game.
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Thar's a motely group they've got lined up to play LT for the Texans this weekend in Nashville. And that's going against a Titans D that's still probably seriously pizzed-off about the azz-whipping that Deshawn & his guys handed the Titans last time they met, earlier this year here in Houston. I'm kinda worried about poor Tom Savage being a punching bag again for the Titans defense.
BTW Davenport will be of no assistance Sunday as he's been declared out for this game. I sure hope he's able to play some ball in what remains of this year and acquire some NFL experience but I'm getting concerned he might end up on IR.
Those chickens have come home to roost.
I'm so thankful that Ricky brought us Deshawn, just as I'm sure you are SteelB ?
I hope his knees can hold up to the rigors of the NFL, But I am and I didn't want BOB to play him behind this OL. I've posted before I wanted Savage to take this beating while Watson learned. Like what they should've done with Carr. The Texans never seem to learn from the past.
The best word I can use to describe the OL's performance Monday night is pathetic, which I guess is better that the putrid Jags game performance and that's when they were all healthy.
I just cant wait to see what the Jags DL with a playoff spot on the line does to this banged up Texans OL. How long does Savage play before he gets hurt? How many Ints does he throw if he stays healthy?
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It took us 15 years to find a franchise QB. We have got to do everything we can to keep him healthy. You can't just tell him, "be careful .... don't scramble!" He's been doing it since he was a kid. It's second nature to him. He's extremely good at it. I've only seen one QB as good as he is at it, in over a half century of watching pro ball. We've got to give him as much protection, with as many options, as we possibly can .... and I didn't even want to draft him !!
badboy
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It is obvious what we need; less obvious is where do we get the top hat to pull 4 olinemen from we need to start game one 2018. Let's not forget in our demands for improvement through draft that more than one offensive linemen will probably return to school. I would not mind over paying for free agents..if they end up being more than JAGs. I don't see much to salivate over to protect Watson.
infantrycak
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We don't need 4 OLmen. We need 2 and good coaching.
Who are the 2 you want to keep?
Remember Davenport came from a lower level of comp has been injured and has a lot of catching up to do.
What would be wrong with adding 4? Chances are ony 2-3 will work out and if all 4 work out then do you have a problem with having great depth on the OL to protect Watson when injuries are sure to happen? This is a good draft for Ol so you would be drafting to the strength of the draft which certainly isn't a bad thing. IMHO
Do you mean picking 2 from the draft only or 2 from either the draft and/or FA?
I was hoping they might be able to get 1 from FA and then 2 more from the draft.
Who are you keeping from this dumpster fire of an OL ? Martin and ???
XSF sucks , been one of the worst guards in the league the past two years.
Jeff Allen has been only marginally better than XSF.
Guacamole ?! He's on a one year deal and do you really want below average back ?
Clark / Lamm have both been sub par , backups at best.
Davenport ?? Not ready. Showed better at LT than on the right side but still well below average. Can he play guard to get some experience ?!
You do have Mancz but the coaching staff obviously doesn't want him playing guard ....
I guess you can get by with Allen at RG , that still leaves you with hot garbage at RT , LT and LG.
I think they have to come away with at least 3 starters along the OL this offseason unless you are counting on Davenport to play .... and that leaves you with what for depth ?!
Let‘s not focus on if we need 2, 3 or 4 OL - where do we get them? Rookie OL usually don‘t produce right away, especially mid round ones. Are there any FA we might try to get? Any big name ones we might overpay to improve our OL? Because I don‘t trust the draft to improve our OL right now.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Excellent summary! RS and evidently O'Brien have turned a blind eye to the talent and/or needs of this OL for the past 3 seasons. I'm taking 4 OL in the draft and hopefully signing a couple of OT's off this years scrap heap to help bridge the development gap of the draft class. Unfortunately, when a team ignores the reality of a position in need for multiple seasons, then it's going to require a bigger than desired commitment to fix. Yeah it sucks, but if giving Watson the real protection he will need to be succeesful for the foreseeable future and it requires this commitment, then I'm all for it.
Oh, and I'd throw a new OL Coach in for good measure. Not good when a payer leaves the organization and is suddenly better at the next stop.
Cak, would you more specific please ?
infantrycak
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Joe Gibbs and Hudson Houck made the greatest offensive lines the league has ever seen (one zone, one power). And they did it with lots of cast offs. They had dedication to what their RB did best. We have 'the system' and it sucks.
Cak, would you more specific please ?
I totally agree ... dislike the system ... but which 2 positions concern you most ?
Underrated stop gap guys who could give you 2-3 yrs of avg/above avg OT play that are Fa's next yr.
Nsekhe from Washington, a big Guy that looked good when Trent Williams was hurt last yr. La Adrian Waddle is another big guy that's playing well for the Pats while Cannon is hurt. The Pats will probably have to let him walk if the re-sign Solder.
OL, I like in the draft that might be there in the 3rd rd are Desmond Harrison who is a huge guy with great strength a great developmental prospect. (Much further along than Davenport)
Zach Crabtree- Big tough guy who plays with mean streak that the Texans OL badly is missing.
Will Hernandez- OG, another big tough guy, strong guy with good feet. If you cant tell I want to add much needed toughness to the OL.
Braden Smith- Good tactician, takes great angles, smart, hardworker.
Before determining who to keep or sign, what is the Texans' blocking scheme? Are we looking for slow footed maulers or guys with good footwork who can get to the second level? With Kubiak, I thought I knew what they looked for in their OL. With this system, I have no idea.
At the end of too many runs, only 1-2 yards from the LOS, I see an OL either laying on top of the RB or at the bottom of the pile. On two many pass plays, I see the OL backpedaling faster than the CBs on the team. It's just maddening to watch this OL perform.
At the end of too many runs, only 1-2 yards from the LOS, I see an OL either laying on top of the RB or at the bottom of the pile. On two many pass plays, I see the OL backpedaling faster than the CBs on the team. It's just maddening to watch this OL perform.
If BOB is here next yr, (Doubtful) Then I think they want OL that can run a power scheme and some inside Zone. But I could be wrong.
infantrycak
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RT & LG.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Is the local press saying he's not likely to return Steel?
Just going off the past this is exactly the kind of excusable let down that id expect to see BOB get let off the hook for by McNair. I don't know if may be things are changing.
I said at the beginning of the yr that BOB would be gone one way or the other, if he won he McNair was going to let BOB find his new HC job. If he lost McNair was going to fire BOB. The godfather did everything he could to get BOB fired.
1. Forcing BOB to take the OC position.
2. Not signing a single FA unlike the other 31 teams
3. Not drafting a single OL that could make a difference this yr, therefore making the OC look incompetent.
4. Ricky telling BOB he didn't want BOB starting Watson in the beginning of this yr, and BOB doing what his bosses wanted.
I said with all of the dysfunction within the Texans org this offseason and not doing one thing to help protect Watson, (Why would Ricky when he didn't intend for Watson to play this yr.) that this kind of yr was going to happen and some on here cant stand it. But it was clear as day out there for all to see, if they just wanted to see it and not buy the McNair's BS again this yr.
Yep getting a QB was going to fix everything, not protecting him (Carr all over again) is a brilliant freaking strategy and why Ricky/BOB both should be fired. But it's not going to happen
Starting Allen who did surprisingly well until the last drive tells you all you need to know about how competent this FO is.
So you are taking 4OL ..... and neglecting everything else ?! .... I don't think 3rd round or later guys are going to help any time soon and I don't want to see Watson behind another garbage OL.
Left Tackle almost has to be addressed in free agency , guard maybe you hit on one in the draft , if not pick up the best late camp cut you can , its not as important a position .... Maybe you can stand another season of Guacamole at RT and Allen at the other guard spot and hope like hell no one gets hurt then upgrade in the following draft where you have some premium picks to invest .... but expecting to draft 4 guys between 3 and 7 that are gonna step in and contribute , one of those at LT .... aint happening.
neither does O'Brien
I would like to see Allen at LG... need a RT for sure
I would sign Nsekhe to play LT and draft a guy that can play RT to play RG and a RT that has a chance to become the starting LT in 2019.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Just like I stated...I'm drafting 4 for the OL and I'm signing 2 OT veterans from the scrap heap with the hopes they arrive with salvaging their NFL careers as a top priority. The Texans current OL is garbage from the starters to the guys on the Depth Chart.
If RS and O'Brien hadn't neglected the position or the reality of where the OL was talent wise, they could've been much further ahead than where they find themselves today....facing a weak FA Class and no picks until RD3. So to make my point once again, I'm taking 4 OL, 1 S and 1 TE with the first 6 picks. TE has also crept up the Priority Ladder with the performances of Fiedorowicz and Griffin or the lack there of. If Gesicki (Penn St) is there at the beginning of RD4, this becomes a priority pick for me. If I have the feeling he's not going to make it to the Texans RD4 pick, then I'm probably taking him with the COMP Pick in RD3. RD3 is definitely 2 OL and either a S or TE.
Texans need these first 4 picks to be talented enough that they might be capable of pushing for starting positions. The key will come down to RS, his scouts and position coaches.
I don't agree that LT has to be addressed in FA and I certainly don't want to risk having "Guacamole" back at RT again next season. I mean, I guess that's one way the Texans could address the O-line next season but it's not the way I would prefer. My guess is that Davenport is being groomed for LT and will need the off season to gain strength and develop his technique. As for RT, since they will probably have three 3rd rd picks and probably some extra comp picks in later rounds, they have the means to move up to the 2nd rd in the draft and get a good OT that they can play at RT. Is it an ideal situation? No, but it is another option. Just don't want to see Giacomini back out there next season. He's been around awhile and has had a number of injuries. I'm amazed he's made it through this season so far without getting injured. The bottom line is he's not very good (if he ever was) and age along with injuries have taken their toll on him.
TexansSeminole
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Even if you slot in Davenport at LT, who’s going to push him and back him up?
@Insideop You state that Davenport needs a year to learn , basically he's not ready yet .... Don't want Guacamole back .... and want to move up into the second to get a tackle.
That leaves you with a not ready Davenport and a probably not ready draftee to play both tackle spots if you don't go the FA route .... and still leaves you with a gaping hole at one or both guard spots depending on if you brought back either Allen or Xsf who have both been abysmal all season.
Here's "Your Plan"
Use two 3rds to move up into the 2nd and pick an RT
Use the other 3rd on a guard.
Martin at C.
You still have LT and one guard spot left to fill (since you didn't like the FA idea) and crap for depth. Remember , by your own words Davenport needs another year , he's "being groomed".
Sure you still have 4th -7th and some comp picks to use. Do you really expect those guys to come right in and contribute as starters ? At probably the 2nd most important position on offense ?!
You gotta get at least one tackle in free agency since you don't have the premium picks to fill a critical position.
Someone didn't think their plan thru .... no free agent , no Guacamole .... use multiple draft picks to move up .... Davenport not ready .... lots of holes to fill.
Or was wishing in one and .... in the other .... expecting 4th-7th round picks to contribute out of the starting gates.
What about Corner ?? That's a position in dire need of help. Count on another year out of JJo ? He's been oft injured , is old and expensive.
I might move KJax to S and draft a couple corners.
What about WR - DHop and a buncha JAG's. Fuller spends more time in the trainers room than the field - Back to back years.
Yeah , TE is a need position , these dudes get concussions on a weekly basis.
I don't think you can neglect any of the above , along with the OL in the offseason if you want to be a real contender in 2018.
infantrycak
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JJo is cheap. He's $6.9 this year and if re-signed likely less.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
We gotta hope for a young project to step up like Bouye did. We might not get that lucky again but we aren't going to be able to go draft a stud in the early rounds so we keep JJo for one more year, hope Kevin Johnson can finally shake the injury bug, and try to find another guy in the bargain basement.
Fuller is always going to be hurt which is not all that unusual. He's got a very nice set of skills and for a few years he's going to be fairly cheap. With a guy like Ellington on the roster we might just get a very effective "2" out of the two of them. What it means though is that we need to find a contributor at the 4 as well. We can almost count on losing one or both of Fuller/Ellington just about every year.
As for TE. We ain't got but one and he's kind of small. It's as simple as that. Griffin and Fiedo are both unreliable and injury prone. Stephen Anderson has come along but if he's all we have we're in trouble. We need to find some of those too.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I covered just about every one of those needs in my Mock Draft. But, if I'm expecting the RD3 and maybe the RD4 pick to possibly bust the starting lineup...I'm trying to get a couple of answers on the OL, a TE and a S or CB.