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State of the O-line


Texans are ranked 16th in run blocking and 30th in pass blocking

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS
2017 OFFENSIVE LINES
Regular season totals, through Week 11
Revised as of 11/21/2017
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Now this is unbelievably pathetic!:toropalm::

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Offensive line grades from PFF reflect huge hole for Texans
By: Jeff Risdon | 9 hours ago

In PFF’s grading metrics, the Texans lack a single lineman who is in the top 33 percent at his position.

Nick Martin is the highest-graded Texans offensive lineman. His 52.2 overall score ranks him No. 24 among centers.

The highest-rated guard is Greg Mancz, who has only played intermittently and is currently injured. Mancz scores a 44.3 grade, ranking 44th among guards. Jeff Allen is 58th at 40.9 but trending upward, believe it or not. Xavier Su’a-Filo is No. 77 of 78 qualifiers with a 33.8.

It’s even worse at tackle, where Chris Clark and Breno Giacomino rank 75th and 79th out of 81. Rookie Julie’n Davenport would rank 65th if he had enough snaps to qualify, while Kendall Lamm would hit No. 60.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans are ranked 16th in run blocking and 30th in pass blocking


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Now this is unbelievably pathetic!:toropalm::

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Offensive line grades from PFF reflect huge hole for Texans
By: Jeff Risdon | 9 hours ago

In PFF’s grading metrics, the Texans lack a single lineman who is in the top 33 percent at his position.

Nick Martin is the highest-graded Texans offensive lineman. His 52.2 overall score ranks him No. 24 among centers.

The highest-rated guard is Greg Mancz, who has only played intermittently and is currently injured. Mancz scores a 44.3 grade, ranking 44th among guards. Jeff Allen is 58th at 40.9 but trending upward, believe it or not. Xavier Su’a-Filo is No. 77 of 78 qualifiers with a 33.8.

It’s even worse at tackle, where Chris Clark and Breno Giacomino rank 75th and 79th out of 81. Rookie Julie’n Davenport would rank 65th if he had enough snaps to qualify, while Kendall Lamm would hit No. 60.

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This happened by design. IMHO
 
What the heck with Martin?

In his first starting season he's ranked 24 among OC's and Mancz, if I remember correctly, in his first season as a starter was ranked in the top 3.

Maybe you aren't particularly high on PFF, but if they are consistent in their scoring from one season to the next, this should have meaning.

What is PFF seeing that our coaching staff is not seeing? Or is it just what our staff wants in a center is not showing up in PFF's statistics?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans are ranked 16th in run blocking and 30th in pass blocking


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Now this is unbelievably pathetic!:toropalm::

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Offensive line grades from PFF reflect huge hole for Texans
By: Jeff Risdon | 9 hours ago

In PFF’s grading metrics, the Texans lack a single lineman who is in the top 33 percent at his position.

Nick Martin is the highest-graded Texans offensive lineman. His 52.2 overall score ranks him No. 24 among centers.

The highest-rated guard is Greg Mancz, who has only played intermittently and is currently injured. Mancz scores a 44.3 grade, ranking 44th among guards. Jeff Allen is 58th at 40.9 but trending upward, believe it or not. Xavier Su’a-Filo is No. 77 of 78 qualifiers with a 33.8.

It’s even worse at tackle, where Chris Clark and Breno Giacomino rank 75th and 79th out of 81. Rookie Julie’n Davenport would rank 65th if he had enough snaps to qualify, while Kendall Lamm would hit No. 60.

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Man, I feel Thanksgiving dinner coming up in my throat! That is wretched!
 
Number19 said:
What the heck with Martin?

In his first starting season he's ranked 24 among OC's and Mancz, if I remember correctly, in his first season as a starter was ranked in the top 3.

Maybe you aren't particularly high on PFF, but if they are consistent in their scoring from one season to the next, this should have meaning.

What is PFF seeing that our coaching staff is not seeing? Or is it just what our staff wants in a center is not showing up in PFF's statistics?
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This is Martin's first year of playing, and they seem to insist Mancz is a center, not a guard for some reason. Coaching fail in there somewhere... because they keep Martin at center and Mancz at backup guard
 
Mike Devlin has not done an adequate job. I've stated multiple times that the Texans should've pursued Mike Munchak and/or Bruce Mathews to be the Texans OL Coach. Munchak has been lured to the dark side and is currently the OL Coach for the Steelers. Mathews is under no contract at the moment.

OL has been an issue for the Texans for at least 12 of their 15 years and to any rational mind...that's too damn long. Bad coaching can burn through decent talent without even knowing who they really gave up on. I know and I know that I may sound like a homer when I bring up Munchak and Mathews but if memory serves me, both are current NFL HOF'ers and both seem to have a desire to coach in the NFL. The guys built their HOF careers in Houston and would probably seriously entertain a return to the city if the team were to approach them. If the team were to ever entertain the idea of bringing Munchak and/or Mathews in as OL Coach, I'd at least want to see a three year plan in regards to development and retention.

In regards to Mancz....he was the guy I projected at Center even before the off-season got started. I can only imagine how much further along Mancz could've been had the team let him build on last season. Martin at RG from the get-go might have really solidified this OL. Mancz was fully aware of what he had to do with Su'a-Filo on his left but I think if Martin had been situated as RG at the conclusion of last season he would've been far better as well. Mancz could only do so much to cover for Su'a-Filo b/c between he and Brown, they covered Su'a-Filo and gave false hope that he was actually playing better down the stretch last season.

Looking at 2018, this how I see the OL situation as a whole:

Coaches: Absolute Need

LT: Absolute Need
LG: Absolute Need
OC: Mancz / Fuller
RG: Martin
RT: Absolute Need

ST: Clark / Davenport **A lot of faith needed**
OG: Quessenberry **Requires a lot of hope**

Feel free to add names or adjust the needs. This is all I see from a talent standpoint if having a better OL...as needed for next season...is a top priority. Before any excitement really happens in regards to acquisitions, great positional coaching is essential. Like I stated, this has gone on for far too long.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans are ranked 16th in run blocking and 30th in pass blocking


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Now this is unbelievably pathetic!:toropalm::

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Offensive line grades from PFF reflect huge hole for Texans
By: Jeff Risdon | 9 hours ago

In PFF’s grading metrics, the Texans lack a single lineman who is in the top 33 percent at his position.

Nick Martin is the highest-graded Texans offensive lineman. His 52.2 overall score ranks him No. 24 among centers.

The highest-rated guard is Greg Mancz, who has only played intermittently and is currently injured. Mancz scores a 44.3 grade, ranking 44th among guards. Jeff Allen is 58th at 40.9 but trending upward, believe it or not. Xavier Su’a-Filo is No. 77 of 78 qualifiers with a 33.8.

It’s even worse at tackle, where Chris Clark and Breno Giacomino rank 75th and 79th out of 81. Rookie Julie’n Davenport would rank 65th if he had enough snaps to qualify, while Kendall Lamm would hit No. 60.

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Soon as Tom Savage figures out what is what, our OL grades will improve.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The oline grades were terrible with Watson, and Watson was running for his life on a large percentage of the plays.
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OptimisticTexan said:
Mike Devlin has not done an adequate job. I've stated multiple times that the Texans should've pursued Mike Munchak and/or Bruce Mathews to be the Texans OL Coach. Munchak has been lured to the dark side and is currently the OL Coach of the Steelers. Mathews is under no contract at the moment.

OL has been an issue for the Texans for at least 12 of their 15 years and to any rational mind...that's too damn long. Bad coaching can burn through decent talent without even knowing who they really gave up on. I know and I know that I may sound like a homer when I bring up Munchak and Mathews but if memory serves me, both are current NFL HOF'ers and both seem to have a desire to coach in the NFL. The guys built their HOF careers in Houston and would probably seriously entertain a return to the city if the team were to approach them. If the team were to ever entertain the idea of bringing Munchak and/or Mathews in as OL Coach, I'd at least want to see a three year plan in regards to development and retention.

In regards to Mancz....he In was the guy I projected at Center even before the off-season got started. I can only imagine how much further along Mancz could've been had the team let him build on last season. Martin at RG from the get-go might have really solidified this OL. Mancz was fully aware of what he had to do with Su'a-Filo on his left but I think if Martin had been situated as RG at the conclusion of last season he would've been far better as well. Mancz could only do so much to cover for Su'a-Filo b/c between he and Brown, they covered Su'a-Filo and gave false hope that he was actually playing better down the stretch last season.

Looking at 2018, this how I see the OL situation as a whole:

Coaches: Absolute Need

LT: Absolute Need
LG: Absolute Need
OC: Mancz / Fuller
RG: Martin
RT: Absolute Need

ST: Clark / Davenport **A lot of faith needed**
OG: Quessenberry **Requires a lot of hope**

Feel free to add names or adjust the needs but this is all I see if having a better OL as needed for next season is a top priority. Before any excitement really happens in regards to acquisitions, great positional coaching is essential. Like I stated, this has gone on for far too long.
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Good post OT! I'm not as down on getting rid of Devlin like you are. I just feel he hasn't been able to make "chicken salad out of chicken sh!t" and that maybe with some better players he might be able to get something done. I just think the best O-line coach in the world couldn't get much out of this bunch. They just don't have the talent. Also, how much blame can be put on Devlin for the players drafted or picked up in FA? I don't really know. If they keep him I won't be upset and if they decide to let him go I won't shed a tear either.

As far as moving Mancz to Center, I was all for keeping him there this year and moving Martin to one of the OG spots but Martin has done so well at OC, and he secured the position during Training Camp, that I'm good with leaving him there and moving Mancz to OG.

Now if Davenport can build up his strength and develop his skills he should fill one of those (probably LT) positions that you label an "Absolute Need." Then use probably 2 of the draft picks to move up into the 2nd round to get a good OT and another pick to get a solid OG. Combine this with a good OT or OG FA pick up and you should have the makings of a good O-line! :cjeremy635: JMO.
 
JB said:
This is Martin's first year of playing, and they seem to insist Mancz is a center, not a guard for some reason. Coaching fail in there somewhere... because they keep Martin at center and Mancz at backup guard
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Read up on CnD's posts on Mancs' injury issues. Shoulder injuries and strength will always make him a liability at positions not C. In CnD I trust. The Texans? Not so much.
 
Insideop said:
Good post OT! I'm not as down on getting rid of Devlin like you are. I just feel he hasn't been able to make "chicken salad out of chicken sh!t" and that maybe with some better players he might be able to get something done.
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He didn't get much done with some decent players in NY... but then again it don't seem like OB knows what kind of OL he wants to have so that doesn't help things
 
I'm going to say something that's probably going to catch a lot of heat. I think XSF actually has potential. Obviously he's playing like crap and has been crap as a Texan, and I want him gone. I see talent often enough through games to find his flaws frustrating though, because they're technical - not physical. He has such a horrible base, how has his footwork not been improved over the years? He can move and pull pretty well, so what's going wrong with his steps? Leverage is another aspect of that. He's proven capable of stoning defenders - randomly. He's strong enough to win with his hands, but his hands don't match his feet and core angles are fubar. I really wonder if he might have been a decent player with a better coaching staff.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The oline grades were terrible with Watson, and Watson was running for his life on a large percentage of the plays.
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And?

Watson's style of play & still transitioning to the NFL didn't do them any favors. We didn't have our starting LT, we had a newish RT, & our Center was basically a first year player. Given time, the I don't doubt the OL grades would have improved.

Savage is still learning how to read defenses & manage plays in real time. Looks like he's getting more comfortable with what hes seeing & how to execute in the context of the offense. Soon as he figures out what's what... The whole offense should look better & start to receive better grades.
 
thunderkyss said:
And?

Watson's style of play & still transitioning to the NFL didn't do them any favors. We didn't have our starting LT, we had a newish RT, & our Center was basically a first year player. Given time, the I don't doubt the OL grades would have improved.

Savage is still learning how to read defenses & manage plays in real time. Looks like he's getting more comfortable with what hes seeing & how to execute in the context of the offense. Soon as he figures out what's what... The whole offense should look better & start to receive better grades.
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While I agree that the O-line and the Offense as a whole should improve with time I just don't think any of the starters, with the exception of Martin, have enough talent left to improve very much. Let's face it, Clark, Giacomini, and probably Allen have all seen there better days. Time and injuries have taken their toll on them and I'm not sure how much is left in their tanks to make improvements in their game. My hope is that they can gel as an O-line enough to win some more games this season and then start building that O-line for the future so Watson doesn't get injured. JMO.
 
Scooter said:
I really wonder if he might have been a decent player with a better coaching staff.
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I hope we can bring in Mike Tice one day. He's currently the offensive line coach for the Oakland Raiders and still has an additional year left on his current contract. He's the type of guy that can help coach up a player like Xavier Su'a-Filo.
 
thunderkyss said:
And?

Watson's style of play & still transitioning to the NFL didn't do them any favors. We didn't have our starting LT, we had a newish RT, & our Center was basically a first year player. Given time, the I don't doubt the OL grades would have improved.

Savage is still learning how to read defenses & manage plays in real time. Looks like he's getting more comfortable with what hes seeing & how to execute in the context of the offense. Soon as he figures out what's what... The whole offense should look better & start to receive better grades.
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thunderkyss said:
And?

Watson's style of play & still transitioning to the NFL didn't do them any favors. We didn't have our starting LT, we had a newish RT, & our Center was basically a first year player. Given time, the I don't doubt the OL grades would have improved.

Savage is still learning how to read defenses & manage plays in real time. Looks like he's getting more comfortable with what hes seeing & how to execute in the context of the offense. Soon as he figures out what's what... The whole offense should look better & start to receive better grades.
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Insideop said:
While I agree that the O-line and the Offense as a whole should improve with time I just don't think any of the starters, with the exception of Martin, have enough talent left to improve very much. Let's face it, Clark, Giacomini, and probably Allen have all seen there better days. Time and injuries have taken their toll on them and I'm not sure how much is left in their tanks to make improvements in their game. My hope is that they can gel as an O-line enough to win some more games this season and then start building that O-line for the future so Watson doesn't get injured. JMO.
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The conversation I joined was one of evaluating the OLINE, not Watson or Savage. We are not talking about how good the Oline may be made to LOOK under one QB or the other. We are talking about how GOOD the TALENT (SKILL, COMPETENCE) on the Oline is.............and that current talent level as a whole is poor by any method of evaluation
 
AND .... as things appear to stand right now, this will be the worst year for the Texans to come up with the talent needed to prevent that young, budding superstar, from suffering a debilitating injury .... terrible situation !
 
AND .... as things appear to stand right now, this will be the worst year for the Texans to come up with the talent needed to prevent that young, budding superstar, from suffering a debilitating injury .... terrible situation !
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The conversation I joined was one of evaluating the OLINE, not Watson or Savage. We are not talking about how good the Oline may be made to LOOK under one QB or the other. We are talking about how GOOD the TALENT (SKILL, COMPETENCE) on the Oline is.............and that current talent level as a whole is poor by any method of evaluation
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Sorry, I just don't believe that. Yeah, Giacomini shouldn't be playing, at all. But with decent QB play the other guys can create a pocket, hold a pocket, & run block.

I mean we had a QB that made Hopkins look like JAG last year. How much more was the OL's performance stymied because of him? Same thing with hold the ball too long deer in the headlights guy. Great pass rushes dominated, good pass rushes killed, & avg pass rushes still shut down our offense.

Tommorrow, Tom Savage is going to get sacked. Tom Savage is going to get pressured. That's part of the game. Not a single QB in this league who hasn't been sacked, or pressured. But he'll have time to throw the ball. We'll run the ball. The OL will do what OLs do. They won't be the best in the league. They won't be the worst I the league.
 
thunderkyss said:
Sorry, I just don't believe that. Yeah, Giacomini shouldn't be playing, at all. But with decent QB play the other guys can create a pocket, hold a pocket, & run block.

I mean we had a QB that made Hopkins look like JAG last year. How much more was the OL's performance stymied because of him? Same thing with hold the ball too long deer in the headlights guy. Great pass rushes dominated, good pass rushes killed, & avg pass rushes still shut down our offense.

Tommorrow, Tom Savage is going to get sacked. Tom Savage is going to get pressured. That's part of the game. Not a single QB in this league who hasn't been sacked, or pressured. But he'll have time to throw the ball. We'll run the ball. The OL will do what OLs do. They won't be the best in the league. They won't be the worst I the league.
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Have you watched XSF/Allen?

If Savage has a pocket to step up into 75% of the time or 3 seconds to throw the ball the Texans will win tomorrow night. # Not gonna happen.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm sure they will,

But history says whatever they draft in the 3rd rd will most likely have 1 or 2 busts, if not all 3. Which is why Ricky needs to trade up.
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Yep! But let us hope that it's history instead of Ricky and the scouts being asleep this year... we need some Good luck Bad!
 
thunderkyss said:
Sorry, I just don't believe that. Yeah, Giacomini shouldn't be playing, at all. But with decent QB play the other guys can create a pocket, hold a pocket, & run block.

I mean we had a QB that made Hopkins look like JAG last year. How much more was the OL's performance stymied because of him? Same thing with hold the ball too long deer in the headlights guy. Great pass rushes dominated, good pass rushes killed, & avg pass rushes still shut down our offense.

Tommorrow, Tom Savage is going to get sacked. Tom Savage is going to get pressured. That's part of the game. Not a single QB in this league who hasn't been sacked, or pressured. But he'll have time to throw the ball. We'll run the ball. The OL will do what OLs do. They won't be the best in the league. They won't be the worst I the league.
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If they don't give up TEN sacks again and Savage limits his strip sacks/interceptions to under 3 again and special teams don't give up a touchdown or two we might be in the ball game
 
steelbtexan said:
Have you watched XSF/Allen?

If Savage has a pocket to step up into 75% of the time or 3 seconds to throw the ball the Texans will win tomorrow night. # Not gonna happen.
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I'm in the minority, but I think XSF has been playing really well the last couple of weeks. He'll have a brain fart once or twice a game, but his consistency has improved quite a bit & he's been moving some bodies in the run game.

Allen... I really hadn't even noticed him, playing between Giacomini & Martin, but that says more about them than Allen. Giacomini needs to go, I'm hoping Martin will buckle down between now & the playoffs.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm in the minority, but I think XSF has been playing really well the last couple of weeks. He'll have a brain fart once or twice a game, but his consistency has improved quite a bit & he's been moving some bodies in the run game.

Allen... I really hadn't even noticed him, playing between Giacomini & Martin, but that says more about them than Allen. Giacomini needs to go, I'm hoping Martin will buckle down between now & the playoffs.
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A brain fart or twice a game just won't do!... gotta be an all pro at every position ya know :ant:

And yeah, G has shown nothing good
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm in the minority, but I think XSF has been playing really well the last couple of weeks. He'll have a brain fart once or twice a game, but his consistency has improved quite a bit & he's been moving some bodies in the run game.

Allen... I really hadn't even noticed him, playing between Giacomini & Martin, but that says more about them than Allen. Giacomini needs to go, I'm hoping Martin will buckle down between now & the playoffs.
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Here's my take..Davenport takes over LT or RT 2018 but who gets the other? Clark or is there a FA better? What third round or even second round after trade up OT will be able to start? Just my two cents but if X gets an extension I will not be shocked
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm in the minority, but I think XSF has been playing really well the last couple of weeks. He'll have a brain fart once or twice a game, but his consistency has improved quite a bit & he's been moving some bodies in the run game.

Allen... I really hadn't even noticed him, playing between Giacomini & Martin, but that says more about them than Allen. Giacomini needs to go, I'm hoping Martin will buckle down between now & the playoffs.
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Obviously we aren't watching the same OL play.
 
badboy said:
Here's my take..Davenport takes over LT or RT 2018 but who gets the other? Clark or is there a FA better? What third round or even second round after trade up OT will be able to start? Just my two cents but if X gets an extension I will not be shocked
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What does X getting an extension or not have to do with the OT (other than the cap implications)?
 
Okay, maybe the better way to gage it, is to count how many times he doesn't get pressured/sacked .... or how many times our running back has a six foot hole to run through !
 
State of the OL?

2- Keepers: Martin (C/G) and Mancz (G/C)
2- Developers: Davenport (BU- OT) and Fuller (BU- C/G)
2- Iffy-Maybe's...if That's All There Is: Clark (BU- OT) and Quessenberry (BU- OG)

Yep, I firmly believe this is the group to pin all your hopes on for 2018. This group is certainly capable of allowing Watson to enjoy 16 highly successful games and Foreman to round-up into the dominant runner some of us think he can be.

A season of mediocrity NFL wide has allowed the Texans to remain in contention of the 2nd WC spot...this is in no way meant to be taken as a positive since it moves the team further away from finding some OL help early in RD3 versus the possibility of reaching later in the round. With 3 potential picks after number 15, the team might have to package all 3 just to get into late RD2 or a couple of picks to buy up into an earlier position in RD3. Just my opinion...but I think several teams have seen the writing on the wall for 2017 and are now focused on positioning themselves for a better 2018 NFL Draft.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
State of the OL?

2- Keepers: Martin (C/G) and Mancz (G/C)
2- Developers: Davenport (BU- OT) and Fuller (BU- C/G)
2- Iffy-Maybe's...if That's All There Is: Clark (BU- OT) and Quessenberry (BU- OG)

Yep, I firmly believe this is the group to pin all your hopes on for 2018. This group is certainly capable of allowing Watson to enjoy 16 highly successful games and Foreman to round-up into the dominant runner some of us think he can be.

A season of mediocrity NFL wide has allowed the Texans to remain in contention of the 2nd WC spot...this is in no way meant to be taken as a positive since it moves the team further away from finding some OL help early in RD3 versus the possibility of reaching later in the round. With 3 potential picks after number 15, the team might have to package all 3 just to get into late RD2 or a couple of picks to buy up into an earlier position in RD3. Just my opinion...but I think several teams have seen the writing on the wall for 2017 and are now focused on positioning themselves for a better 2018 NFL Draft.
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I don't think we will see Queensbury play another snap in the NFL.

I most definitely don't want to keep Clark.

I would concentrate on beefing up that line this offseason.

Free Agents:

Nate Solder LT
Justin Pugh G
Luke Joeckel G



Draft prospects:

Brandon Parker, OT, North Carolina A&T
Height: 6-8. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.

Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.14.
Projected Round (2018): 2-4.

Braden Smith, G, Auburn
Height: 6-6. Weight: 303.
Projected 40 Time: 5.31.
Projected Round (2018): 2-3

Beau Benzschawel*, G, Wisconsin
Height: 6-6. Weight: 321.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OG.php#ixzz4zdbnNFV6
 
OptimisticTexan said:
State of the OL?

2- Keepers: Martin (C/G) and Mancz (G/C)
2- Developers: Davenport (BU- OT) and Fuller (BU- C/G)
2- Iffy-Maybe's...if That's All There Is: Clark (BU- OT) and Quessenberry (BU- OG)

Yep, I firmly believe this is the group to pin all your hopes on for 2018. This group is certainly capable of allowing Watson to enjoy 16 highly successful games and Foreman to round-up into the dominant runner some of us think he can be.

A season of mediocrity NFL wide has allowed the Texans to remain in contention of the 2nd WC spot...this is in no way meant to be taken as a positive since it moves the team further away from finding some OL help early in RD3 versus the possibility of reaching later in the round. With 3 potential picks after number 15, the team might have to package all 3 just to get into late RD2 or a couple of picks to buy up into an earlier position in RD3. Just my opinion...but I think several teams have seen the writing on the wall for 2017 and are now focused on positioning themselves for a better 2018 NFL Draft.
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A few things are going to have to happen before I will "pin all my hopes" on this O-line next season.

1. Davenport, Fuller, and I'll also put DQ in there, will have to make major strides in their strength and development to where they can be relied on to either start (Davenport at LT) or step in and play at a high level.
2. RS and staff will do everything possible to pick up at least one good solid OT or OG in FA.
3. RS and staff will draft the best OT they can find even if they have to move up to the 2nd round (Which they probably will have to do!). They need to get a solid starter at OT with their 1st pick!
4. RS and staff need to get at least one more solid draft pick at OG or OT later in the draft. This will probably be a developmental player but they need it for building their depth (Clark can't stay forever!).

I know it's a lot to ask for but hey, it's Christmas time, and it has to be done to protect Watson and allow Miller and Foreman a better chance to succeed.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I don't think we will see Queensbury play another snap in the NFL.

I most definitely don't want to keep Clark.

I would concentrate on beefing up that line this offseason.

Free Agents:

Nate Solder LT
Justin Pugh G
Luke Joeckel G



Draft prospects:

Brandon Parker, OT, North Carolina A&T
Height: 6-8. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.

Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.14.
Projected Round (2018): 2-4.

Braden Smith, G, Auburn
Height: 6-6. Weight: 303.
Projected 40 Time: 5.31.
Projected Round (2018): 2-3

Beau Benzschawel*, G, Wisconsin
Height: 6-6. Weight: 321.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OG.php#ixzz4zdbnNFV6
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Did you watch Wash vs Wash State Saturday? If so, how did you evaluate Dillard? State was stomped but Falk had great stats: 37/55 369 yards 67.3 % almost 7 per but only one TD with three INTs and 5 sacks.
 
badboy said:
Here's my take..Davenport takes over LT or RT 2018 but who gets the other?
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I wish I could agree with you BB because it would be pretty significant if we could count on Julian to start at one of the tackle positions for us, either one next year. As it sands right now I think we are getting ahead of ourselves to expect him to be anything but a reserve in 2018. What he's seen this year is the first real talented opposition he's faced in his entire football career. And he may eventually develop into a petty good NFL OT but the jury hasn't really even started deliberating on that question yet.
 
badboy said:
Did you watch Wash vs Wash State Saturday? If so, how did you evaluate Dillard? State was stomped but Falk had great stats: 37/55 369 yards 67.3 % almost 7 per but only one TD with three INTs and 5 sacks.
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I watched some of that game. So I couldn't give you a good evaluation. What I do know, Washington State couldn't get the ground game going. Washington pretty much won the battle in the trenches.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I don't think we will see Queensbury play another snap in the NFL.

I most definitely don't want to keep Clark.

I would concentrate on beefing up that line this offseason.

Free Agents:

Nate Solder LT
Justin Pugh G
Luke Joeckel G



Draft prospects:

Brandon Parker, OT, North Carolina A&T
Height: 6-8. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.

Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.14.
Projected Round (2018): 2-4.

Braden Smith, G, Auburn
Height: 6-6. Weight: 303.
Projected 40 Time: 5.31.
Projected Round (2018): 2-3

Beau Benzschawel*, G, Wisconsin
Height: 6-6. Weight: 321.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OG.php#ixzz4zdbnNFV6
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A FA C/OG that I like is Weston Richburg. Smart and solid.

Love Parker, from the videos I've watced he's a massive RT at worst. At best he's a franchise LT. Big storng guy who's smart. I cant tell how good his feet are.

Dillard reminds me of davenport, he need to get stronger but has good feet. He's ahead of Davenport since he's played a much higher level of competition.

I hope Bah will weigh in on Desmond Harrison who has looked great on video I saw of him at West Georgia. Got kicked out of UT by Strong for smoking pot, hasn't had any issues since he transferred. He can be a starting LT in the NFL. IMHO
 
Well, I just watched the Texans lose to the Ravens (16 - 23) and I must say it was a winnable game but the Texans just didn't have enough "ammo" in their guns! :gun: This was especially true when Clark went down and Lamm had to replace him. He gave up the "killer" strip/sack/fumble to Suggs that pretty much sealed the game for the Ravens. I'll tell you all right now, if the Texans (RS/BOB/Staff) don't use their 1st pick in the Draft on an Offensive Lineman (OT or OG) then they need to have their heads examined! With the exception of Martin, this whole line needs to be revamped in FA and the Draft!

On the bright side I just saw this: http://www.chron.com/sports/longhor...Williams-to-skip-bowl-game-enter-12386705.php Williams is considered one of the better OT's coming out in this draft and, while the Texans probably won't have a shot at him, it means other OT's will move down in the draft giving the Texans a better shot at getting a good OT. Now we just need RS, BOB, and the rest of the staff to do their jobs well and get the best O-linemen they can!
 
I'm so depressed... while I expected what happened, I was so hoping for some new conversation again... so tired of 'next year' once again.

The football gods hate Houston
 
IDEXAN said:
I wish I could agree with you BB because it would be pretty significant if we could count on Julian to start at one of the tackle positions for us, either one next year. As it sands right now I think we are getting ahead of ourselves to expect him to be anything but a reserve in 2018. What he's seen this year is the first real talented opposition he's faced in his entire football career. And he may eventually develop into a petty good NFL OT but the jury hasn't really even started deliberating on that question yet.
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Would help if he could get some snaps at only spot he has played.
 
steelbtexan said:
A FA C/OG that I like is Weston Richburg. Smart and solid.

Love Parker, from the videos I've watced he's a massive RT at worst. At best he's a franchise LT. Big storng guy who's smart. I cant tell how good his feet are.

Dillard reminds me of davenport, he need to get stronger but has good feet. He's ahead of Davenport since he's played a much higher level of competition.

I hope Bah will weigh in on Desmond Harrison who has looked great on video I saw of him at West Georgia. Got kicked out of UT by Strong for smoking pot, hasn't had any issues since he transferred. He can be a starting LT in the NFL. IMHO
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Yeah I like Harrison also.
 
Didn't watch the game. Didn't miss not watching.

Heard on the radio that the game had the lowest rating this year for a MNF game.

Heard also that viewership is down sufficiently that the NFL is having to payback cash or advertising to the advertisers to make up for the declining numbers watching the games.
 
Number19 said:
Didn't watch the game. Didn't miss not watching.

Heard on the radio that the game had the lowest rating this year for a MNF game.

Heard also that viewership is down sufficiently that the NFL is having to payback cash or advertising to the advertisers to make up for the declining numbers watching the games.
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Heard where ?
 
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