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So, what’s there to look forward to now?

OptimisticTexan said:
Correctomundo....the bigger question, knowing that both RS and O'Brien were behind having Savage start the season as QB1 and letting the rookie Watson watch from the sideline until he and everyone else was comfortable with him taking the starting reins....so, at what point did either guy question whether they had an OL in place to protect a less than mobile Savage or at some point a first year rookie QB?

For this reason and I could comfortably say, this reason alone, both RS and O'Brien should be shown the door at the end of the season. Neither were prepared for the "what-ifs" this season.
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I hate to burst your bubble but, I don't think either one will be shown the door. Why would McNair fire BOB after seeing what the Offense looks like with Watson? And, why would he fire RS after he moved up in the draft to get Watson? Now, having said that, I do agree they need to find a backup QB that better fits what Watson does as a QB than a statue like Savage. That would better cover those "what if's" you mentioned. As for the O-line, well, like they say, "Rome wasn't built in a day!" It's going to take time I'm afraid to build that line and poor Savage is probably going to pay the price this season. I just hope it's much improved by next season when Watson gets back.
 
Insideop said:
I hate to burst your bubble but, I don't think either one will be shown the door. Why would McNair fire BOB after seeing what the Offense looks like with Watson? And, why would he fire RS after he moved up in the draft to get Watson?
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& who would McNair get to come in with no 1st or 2nd round picks next season?

That said, maybe this is what O'Brien needed to get tape on Savage so he can design his offense around him? Watson showed flashes of greatness against Jacksonville & the Bengals. But even then we were all surprised by what he did against New England, Tennessee, KC, the Browns, & the Seahawks.

Savage may have only showed flashes of aiightness. Maybe O'Brien can get some consistency out of him & the offense.
 
thunderkyss said:
& who would McNair get to come in with no 1st or 2nd round picks next season?

That said, maybe this is what O'Brien needed to get tape on Savage so he can design his offense around him? Watson showed flashes of greatness against Jacksonville & the Bengals. But even then we were all surprised by what he did against New England, Tennessee, KC, the Browns, & the Seahawks.

Savage may have only showed flashes of aiightness. Maybe O'Brien can get some consistency out of him & the offense.
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To me that's the only remaining faint trace of a silver lining we have to work with this season. In years past O'Brien has managed to do things like "Get the best statistical season possible out of Ryan Fitzpatrick" and win with "T.J. Yates being brought back the week before" and "Case Keenum signed out of a deer blind" and the only time his "offense" has looked even halfway decent with one of these "lower tier" type QB's has been when he was making **** up on short notice with his back against the wall.

If he can't make some chicken salad out of Tom Savage then that tells me Savage is pretty ******* hopeless. Seriously. When things are going well and O'Brien has all the time in the world to prepare his offense looks like disjointed, incompetent **** but knock out his starting QB and the next week he usually manages to surprise you.

That Savage looked so poor today doesn't bode well for his future. He might not make it through another game like that with Yates and McLovin waiting in the wings.
 
My belief that Savage could be an avg QB and do enough with the team to get us to at minimum second level of play offs was erased by today's game. He was sloppy and many of his passes went out of field boundaries nowhere near where a receiver could catch it. Regardless of another poor time management end of 4th by O'Brien, Savage could have save time getting play off. One pass he sailed 20 yards over his target. One play with seconds left another pass looked like it was headed for space. I told my friends he could have just downed the ball with same results and saved time. He repeatedly (all game) threw into not only coverage but double or triple coverage. Hopkins took a beating. I did not expect TS to do much but I was surprised by how bad he played and looked. Once during first part of game as he began to look over the defense I thought 'he's scared'. I don't remember ever seeing that in a college or NFL QB. I thought he would leave Texans in FA this off season by his choice. I know he will not be cut after this game but he should be. From first offensive series, the Texans did not look ..confident (?) probably not best word description but was very noticeable.

Offensive line sucked but played well enough for TS to accomplish more than he did. I predicted Davenport would start by game 8, that happened but played like Giacomini. It was his only significant playing time at LT. I want to see if he learns as he did in college. That was one of reasons I mocked him to Texans in 4th round. Per PFF:

T BRENO GIACIOMONI 37.5 OVERALL GRADE & T JULIEN DAVENPORT, 37.4 OVERALL GRADE
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-indianapolis-colts-20-houston-texans-1

This link has much more info, I want to review for this game.
 
Mangler said:
As the entire sports world already knows, Deshaun Watson went down and is now out for the season due to an ACL, and along with him pretty much our chances to even clinch the division. (More than likely)

Now, we know losing Watt, Mercilus, and Cole at the other side of the ball didn’t help our chances, but losing Watson (who IS our offense) probably put the last nail on the coffin.

Is there absolutely anything to look forward to now? We don’t even have the draft as a consolation prize, so I just can’t find the silver lining after these disastrous couple of months...
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Look forward to next season.
Watson may not be 100% until '19 so it may have to be then that we have to wait til.
One good thing should come from the fact that we are a dumpster fire without 4 - so it might stir up FO to do some serious improvements on both sides of the ball if they want to be serious contenders next season.
A decent backup is a must.
 
JB said:
So no coaching change to look forward to?
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Doubtful.

Watson bailed him out with his brilliance .... Now he can point to the failures of others and say look at what I made Watson do .... when it was Watson who made him look competent. Watson would look even better in Kubiak / Baby Shanny offense. That offense is tailor made for him , not one size fits all adjusted to fit OB garbage.
 
Number19 said:
Football Sunday and the Texans but no real enthusiasm.

Coming out of TC, when we released Weeden, I said it was a mistake to go into the season with only two QB's. Replies were mostly that it was no big deal, teams go into the season with two QB's all the time. I also said it was foolish to have a backup whose style was completely at odds with your starter's style.

There are now comments suggesting we can use our 3 threes to move up to draft a LT.

We do not have a healthy QB under contract for 2018. Watson will be back, but he now has an ACL on both his knees.

Savage has to start Sunday, but he can't be the QB for the rest of the season. He's gone after this year. We can't make the same mistake two years running. We have to play McGloin to see what we have and decide if we are going to keep him or whether we have to prioritize drafting a QB.

And we lack talent in the defensive back field.

These are a few of my thoughts on what we have to look forward to.
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Just wanted to point out, that we all have an ACL on both knees...
 
Mangler said:
We should push for this! Anyone have McNair’s direct cell phone number and or email address?
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It's got to be on their radar. Report last week after the Seahawks game was the FO (owner) was not happy with O'Brien's lack of clock management and playcalling. I doubt those hard feelings last December are gone, too.

RAC is currently assistant head coach, so he's primed. He's 70, so not sure if he'd want the gig. Tom Coughlin did it at 69 in 2015.

Kubiak is confirmed ready to return as OC, and he and Smith are still good friends, iirc. And he seems like the kind of guy that could come back to a team as a coordinator that he previously worked for (like Wade did for Denver). The incentive, of course, is one Deshaun Watson and H-town is still home.
 
Double Barrel said:
It's got to be on their radar. Report last week after the Seahawks game was the FO (owner) was not happy with O'Brien's lack of clock management and playcalling. I doubt those hard feelings last December are gone, too.

RAC is currently assistant head coach, so he's primed. He's 70, so not sure if he'd want the gig. Tom Coughlin did it at 69 in 2015.

Kubiak is confirmed ready to return as OC, and he and Smith are still good friends, iirc. And he seems like the kind of guy that could come back to a team as a coordinator that he previously worked for (like Wade did for Denver). The incentive, of course, is one Deshaun Watson and H-town is still home.
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I almost want to flood their Facebook. Twitter, mailboxes etc etc To bring Kubiak as OC.
 
Wolf said:
I almost want to flood their Facebook. Twitter, mailboxes etc etc To bring Kubiak as OC.
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Man, how quickly y'all forget, Kubiak was quick to take the foot off the gas when we had a 2 score lead and good Schaub. He also had some questionable playcalls and anyone remember the all too predictable draw play on 3rd and long while trailing???
 
Perki-Perk said:
Man, how quickly y'all forget, Kubiak was quick to take the foot off the gas when we had a 2 score lead and good Schaub. He also had some questionable playcalls and anyone remember the all too predictable draw play on 3rd and long while trailing???
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Houston is where the draw play goes to die.

I see other teams execute it. For whatever reason the Texans suck at it - regardless of the coach or players. It' kind of weird how the Texans have always sucked at executing it.
 
Double Barrel said:
This is a 3-13 team. Move along folks, nothing to see here. . .
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Yep, and still no reason to fire BOB.

The offense looked great with Watson in there despite the FO's lack of planning for the OL.

What's up with all of the Kubiak love going on around here Aggies? How about Sumlin for the next Texans HC? That would be right up Ricky's alley.

Remind me what did the Texans win with Kubiak? Both BOB and Kubiak got to the same place in the playoffs, difference is BOB got there in 3yrs vs 10 for Kubiak, It's time to let it go Aggie fans.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, and still no reason to fire BOB.

The offense looked great with Watson in there despite the FO's lack of planning for the OL.

What's up with all of the Kubiak love going on around here Aggies? How about Sumlin for the next Texans HC? That would be right up Ricky's alley.

Remind me what did the Texans win with Kubiak? Both BOB and Kubiak got to the same place in the playoffs, difference is BOB got there in 3yrs vs 10 for Kubiak, It's time to let it go Aggie fans.
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Kubiak has four rings in three different coaching positions, including two as OC.

What does O'Brien have in his trophy case?

At least Kubiak comprehends basic clock management. O'Brien just goes postal at press conferences when challenged about it. It's a sad look for an NFL head coach.
 
Double Barrel said:
Kubiak has four rings in three different coaching positions, including two as OC.

What does O'Brien have in his trophy case?

At least Kubiak comprehends basic clock management. O'Brien just goes postal at press conferences when challenged about it. It's a sad look for an NFL head coach.
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It took Kubiak 5 yrs to understand clock mgmt. Remember the Colts game in Indy where Kubiak took a timeout and the Colts challenged the play during the TO and won, then proceeded to score a TD?

BTW, I'm all for firing BOB, I just dont get all of the Kubiak love on this MB. (He was an avg HC, kinda like BOB.) With all of that said nothing has a chance to change until Ricky is gone. (Not gonna happen)
 
steelbtexan said:
BTW, I'm all for firing BOB, I just dont get all of the Kubiak love on this MB. (He was an avg HC, kinda like BOB.)
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Do try to keep up. The discussion was Kubiak as OC.

With all of that said nothing has a chance to change until Ricky is gone. (Not gonna happen)
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Yeah 'cuz RS controls everything. I'm sure RS but a blindfold on OB all offseason so he thought Savage was a viable starter and better than Watson.
 
OB + Kubiak will never happen. OB would be just as important then as Jack Pardee was on the Oilers when he wore the headset that wasn't hooked up to anything.
 
infantrycak said:
Do try to keep up. The discussion was Kubiak as OC.



Yeah 'cuz RS controls everything. I'm sure RS but a blindfold on OB all offseason so he thought Savage was a viable starter and better than Watson.
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Oh I keep up quite well, I'm sure you would love to have Kubiak back into the fold, even if it was as a parking lot attendant. (It's time to let the Kubiak love go.)

Ricky controls the draft according to BOB.

What do you not understand about my position regarding Ricky/BOB? I want them both gone. But BOB's offense was basically putting up 35 points a game with BOB calling the plays, how much better do you think Kubiak would do?

BTW, The reason I want BOB fired is because of not going for a 4th and inches against the Pats and losing, he basically did the same thing with the Miller run up the middle against the Seahawks. It's like he didn't learn anything in the Pats loss. Fact is BOB might be more conservative in the clutch than Kubiak was and I didn't think it was possible to be more conservative than Kubiak was.
 
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infantrycak said:
On one occasion contradicting his words and those of RS and McNair on several others.
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If you say so,

I just judge things by what comes out of the mans mouth.

You judge things differently, which is understanding since we come from different walks of life.
 
I really don' know what I am looking forward too.
I just know it' hard to win in the NFL when your best players are out. I guess no more injuries

Well we might see gushing Nov 28th for his last games as a texan

I am reaching for straws here
 
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ESAD2-14 said:
Houston is where the draw play goes to die.

I see other teams execute it. For whatever reason the Texans suck at it - regardless of the coach or players. It' kind of weird how the Texans have always sucked at executing it.
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The draw and the screen...

And any trickery that may be tried
 
After a crappy night of sleep.

Maybe I am looking forward to how creative the Texans marketing team can prop up their football division for the rest of the season

:sarcasm:
 
To be 100% honest, I wouldn't want O'Brien or Kubiak here next season and for good measure, toss RS's arse in that pile as well. Will any of this happen? Of course not but damn, this is a forum for opinions to be voiced.

The Texans are in need of a major re-tooling and must accept the fact that 2018 will hopefully get the team some solid fill-in players (2-3) from the draft but mostly decent to potentially solid depth chart players who will need more time to develop. 2019 will be the season to add the final pieces...hopefully.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
To be 100% honest, I wouldn't want O'Brien or Kubiak here next season and for good measure, toss RS's arse in that pile as well. Will any of this happen? Of course not but damn, this is a forum for opinions to be voiced.

The Texans are in need of a major re-tooling and must accept the fact that 2018 will hopefully get the team some solid fill-in players (2-3) from the draft but mostly decent to potentially solid depth chart players who will need more time to develop. 2019 will be the season to add the final pieces...hopefully.
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This is what I'm seeing, then add in 2 yrs experience they will need and you're looking at 4 yrs.
 
ESAD2-14 said:
Houston is where the draw play goes to die.

I see other teams execute it. For whatever reason the Texans suck at it - regardless of the coach or players. It' kind of weird how the Texans have always sucked at executing it.
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The problem with Kubes as is the problem with O'Brien, is they are too predictable when it matters most. Kubes with his trademark draw play on 3rd and long. EVERYONE knew it was coming and if we as fans know it's coming, I'm sure people who get paid to know these things are more than prepared for it. With O'Brien, Miller up the gut on 3rd and short when we absolutely have to have a first down. We all know it's coming, yet somehow, it still happens and the same result ensues every time.
 
infantrycak said:
As I said, OB had said exactly the same as them. You choose not to believe those and believe his one frustrated quote. I guess his outburst that there aren't clock management problems clears that up for you too.
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Apparently when BOB found out that, he wasn't really in charge of the roster and wanted out after the Os signing then he started telling us the true structure of the Texans org.

You can choose not to believe him. I believe him, and what does his clock management quote have to do with the structure of the Texans org.

# Good try strawman
 
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steelbtexan said:
Apparently when BOB found out that, he wasn't really in charge of the roster and wanted out after the Os signing then he started telling us the true structure of the Texans org.

You can choose not to believe him. I believe him, and what does his clock management quote have to do with the structure of the Texans org.

# Good try strwman
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So other than Oz, not the whole friggin' roster.

No strawman - OB gets frustrated and says stupid sh!t.
 
JB said:
The draw and the screen...

And any trickery that may be tried
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Ya know, I was going to throw screen in there as well. However I thought they had some recent success with it after years of futility. I'm talking RB screen, not WR screen. The WR screen for some reason they struggle with a lot too.
 
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