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JimmyG traded to San Francisco

thunderkyss said:
For the 49ers first 2nd round pick....

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Wow, this guy was so over hyped, remember the multiple 1sts NE wanted? The fact he goes just for a second albeit most likely high second shows they don't see him as a higher end franchise guy and that if they franchised him they could do better with a trade in the off season


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I might not play him until next year. The 49ers are a mess right now. They're not playing for a playoff spot this year. They have problems on the line. They can use the high picks. Continue on the path. Don't risk your future on a season already lost. That's my O'Brien on steroids take. Big time conservative.
 
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jradMIT said:
Wow, this guy was so over hyped, remember the multiple 1sts NE wanted? The fact he goes just for a second albeit most likely high second shows they don't see him as a higher end franchise guy and that if they franchised him they could do better with a trade in the off season


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The Pats had no choice. Either franchise tag your backup for big money or trade him. Or lose him to FA.
 
banned1976 said:
The Pats had no choice. Either franchise tag your backup for big money or trade him. Or lose him to FA.
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They had a choice franchise him, basically they didn't think they would do better in the offseason, so essentially he was never getting offers of first round picks like every body was suggesting


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jradMIT said:
They had a choice franchise him, basically they didn't think they would do better in the offseason, so essentially he was never getting offers of first round picks like every body was suggesting


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Hard to say. A team may very well have offered a 1st round pick knowing he's not a FA when the season is over, i.e. last off season.

Next offseason is a totally different story. Teams know he has not & most likely will not sign with New England. Why give them a 5th round pick, much less a 1st. That the 49ers are 0fer 7 right now, the Pats cut their losses & deal him for a 2nd.
 
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jradMIT said:
They had a choice franchise him, basically they didn't think they would do better in the offseason, so essentially he was never getting offers of first round picks like every body was suggesting


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I think this is a good trade for everyone involved. Garoppolo and Little Shanny should be peas and carrots.

But I think you're right that the rumors of last off-season have been debunked. Well that or Belichick was a bonehead.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hard to say. A team may very well have offered a 1st round pick knowing he's not a FA when the season is over, i.e. last off season.

Next offseason is a totally different story. Teams know he has not & most likely will not sign with New England. Why give them a 5th round pick, much less a 1st. That the 49ers are 0fer 7 right now, the Pats cut their losses & deal him for a 2nd.
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Yup, with the deadline the Pats were up against it. It was get something now or lose him for nothing. If BB really thought he was 'all that and a bag of chips' they would never have let it get to this point. BB was sure he would get multiple 1's but it didn't work.
 
infantrycak said:
I think this is a good trade for everyone involved. Garoppolo and Little Shanny should be peas and carrots.

But I think you're right that the rumors of last off-season have been debunked. Well that or Belichick was a bonehead.
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Or both
 
Soooo... Belichick has only ONE QB on his roster right now...?

well their Bye week is coming up so Mr. Personality has two weeks to sign a backup.
 
ObsiWan said:
Soooo... Belichick has only ONE QB on his roster right now...?

well their Bye week is coming up so Mr. Personality has two weeks to sign a backup.
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The 49ers released Brian Hoyer? Surely the Patriots will sign him. He's played there before. Already knows the system well: From Houston and New England.
 
jradMIT said:
They had a choice franchise him, basically they didn't think they would do better in the offseason, so essentially he was never getting offers of first round picks like every body was suggesting


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You're talking out of your ass. The Browns were offering one of their first rounders this off season and other assets. Belicheck chose to hold onto him in case an early injury plagued Brady, and now their team is banged up all over the place with injury prone players where they need a lot of draft picks. Jimmy was going to be gone into FA or they were going to have to let go of Brady. This obviously means that they chose to keep Brady at 40/41 , but it says nothing about Jimmy being over hyped. The fact that Belicheck kept him in an off season where they desperately needed draft picks and could have had a 1st round pick plus of compensation for him and they passed shows what they thought of him. His play on the field has been excellent as well.

Him and Shane are going to build a dynamic offense once they get a few weapons for him.
 
Color me a bit confused. Wasn't Cleveland willing to do a first, maybe two, last spring? If that is even remotely true, the Patriots lost out on a considerable amount of draft capital by waiting until now to pull the trigger. I suppose it was all smoke and rumor and not really true. Should work out well for the 49ers If they get him under long term contract.
 
I think all of the rumors was just a bunch of BS to me. We were hearing the same thing with Mallet. Supposedly the Pats wouldn't trade him for nothing less than a 2nd and you know what happened.

Bellicheck does the same thing I do in fantasy football... lie. I let false rumors leak about fake trade offers I get, hoping someone bites and gives me a better offer. Once in a while, it works.
 
Could've had a 1st and other picks for him if he'd traded him to Cleveland earlier this year......Belichick's been known to hold grudges...history with Cleveland.....:thinking:....me thinks Belichick didn't want that franchise to have any remote chance of having success with a guy he likely knows is the real deal....Cleveland on the other hand has to feel like **** lol.
 
Texecutioner said:
You're talking out of your ass. The Browns were offering one of their first rounders this off season and other assets. Belicheck chose to hold onto him in case an early injury plagued Brady, and now their team is banged up all over the place with injury prone players where they need a lot of draft picks. Jimmy was going to be gone into FA or they were going to have to let go of Brady. This obviously means that they chose to keep Brady at 40/41 , but it says nothing about Jimmy being over hyped. The fact that Belicheck kept him in an off season where they desperately needed draft picks and could have had a 1st round pick plus of compensation for him and they passed shows what they thought of him. His play on the field has been excellent as well.

Him and Shane are going to build a dynamic offense once they get a few weapons for him.
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I disagree if he wasn't traded because he was insurance towards a Brady injury it makes no sense to trade him mid season and be completely vulnerable to an injury, while mind you losing out on major compensation.

What makes far more sense is that there was never a team willing to give that kind of load of picks for him. Especially when juxtaposed against the analytics driven front offense of the Browns who highly value picks, they didn't see him anywhere near as valuable as people suggest, it was probably all purposely leaked rumors to drive up his price.


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The Browns could have still jumped in and offered more than the 49ers did. I'm shocked they didn't with all that draft ammo they have from the Texans. They've got multiple first and second-rounders. And I doubt they're going to draft a good quarterback. They already passed on Watson and Wentz. They'll end up with another dud like Kizer, Manziel or the several other bums they drafted in recent years.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
The Browns could have still jumped in and offered more than the 49ers did. I'm shocked they didn't with all that draft ammo they have from the Texans. They've got multiple first and second-rounders. And I doubt they're going to draft a good quarterback. They already passed on Watson and Wentz. They'll end up with another dud like Kizer, Manziel or the several other bums they drafted in recent years.
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Exactly, our first that they have will be a later pick than the second 1st they had last year, so an even smaller price to pay and they didn't. What also need to be considered is that much more did for a team to invest heavily in JG when they know they will have to commit major money to him after only seeing him for a handful of games. Also I would point out how bad JG played against the Texans this preseason, maybe that helped knock some of the shine off of him. Bottom line in a QB starved league, this deal pretty much shows the league isn't sure who he is and or doesn't think that highly of him, put this in perspective they got less for him than we gave up to get Schaub!!! That says everything.


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That's true. 10 years ago we gave up two second-round picks and swapped first-round picks with the Atlanta Falcons for their backup quarterback, Matt Schaub.
 
So Brady the GOAT says he wants to play 10 more years huh............ Oldest QB to win a SB. 60 years old! you heard it here first!
 
dwight pugoy said:
So Brady the GOAT says he wants to play 10 more years huh............ Oldest QB to win a SB. 60 years old! you heard it here first!
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He'll play at least five more years. That would put him at 45 years old. I'm not sure how much longer he can play after that. You would think he'll start to show some great decline in his game by then. Father time is undefeated. You can't escape aging.
 
there's a theory being toss about by the talking heads on the TV sports shows that Belichick was told to keep Brady and let Garoppolo go by Robert Kraft. Kraft wasn't going to have, what 50+ mil of salary cap, tied up in two QBs. And Kraft is loyal to Brady since he's the one who brought all those Superb Owl trophies to NE. Also, Brady has signed some very team friendly contracts instead of demanding to be the highest paid QB in the land.

OTOH, Garoppolo is merely potential. And "potential" doesn't always pan out.

Don't jump me, this was on the Ryen Russillo show earlier today. Write him.
:D
 
jradMIT said:
I disagree if he wasn't traded because he was insurance towards a Brady injury it makes no sense to trade him mid season and be completely vulnerable to an injury, while mind you losing out on major compensation.

What makes far more sense is that there was never a team willing to give that kind of load of picks for him. Especially when juxtaposed against the analytics driven front offense of the Browns who highly value picks, they didn't see him anywhere near as valuable as people suggest, it was probably all purposely leaked rumors to drive up his price.


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I don't care what you want to agree or disagree with. I pay attention to Boston talk radio regularly and I'm telling you what they could have had back in the off season, and anyone paying attention at the time knew it as it was reported. Sheftner was on top of that story the entire time. They wanted both QB's bad. They had to decide. If you're going to act like Jimmy wasn't a hot commodity to NE because he couldn't take Brady's job, then I really don't care what you have to say at all, because that's one of the most ridiculous things ever.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't care what you want to agree or disagree with. I pay attention to Boston talk radio regularly and I'm telling you what they could have had back in the off season, and anyone paying attention at the time knew it as it was reported. Sheftner was on top of that story the entire time. They wanted both QB's bad. They had to decide. If you're going to act like Jimmy wasn't a hot commodity to NE because he couldn't take Brady's job, then I really don't care what you have to say at all, because that's one of the most ridiculous things ever.
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Between Sheftner and Boston sports radio, LOL, yeah it's 100% certifiably true they could have got that. Yet they settled for only half of what Matt Schaub cost?? It was all smoke, fake rumors. He was a commodity and 2nd round pick is nothing small, however, there's no way anyone was offering a package that included 1st+, Definitely not Cleveland because of how they value picks to the utmost, If JG was bringing those kind of offers they would have just waited till the offseason franchised him and fielded offers, yet they are going to go the rest of the season without a back up, and only get a 2nd?? Doesn't jive with the statement that teams think he is a franchise guy, even Matt Schaub got two seconds ++


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Bulls on Parade said:
He'll play at least five more years. That would put him at 45 years old. I'm not sure how much longer he can play after that. You would think he'll start to show some great decline in his game by then. Father time is undefeated. You can't escape aging.
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I'm definitely getting a Roger Clemens/Barry Bonds type of vibe here, he's improved his passer rating 4 years in a row, while his passer rating had declined the previous 4 years. Father Time isn't playing on a level playing field if you ask me.


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Bulls on Parade said:
The Browns could have still jumped in and offered more than the 49ers did. I'm shocked they didn't with all that draft ammo they have from the Texans.
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Story is that the Browns had a deal in place to get McCarron from Cincy, but since they couldn't get the paper work in in time, it didn't happen.
 
thunderkyss said:
Story is that the Browns had a deal in place to get McCarron from Cincy, but since they couldn't get the paper work in in time, it didn't happen.
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I heard the Bengals got the paper work in 5 minutes before the deadline but the Browns got it in 35 seconds later. The Browns were late because their front office guys were celebrating immediately after they agreed to acquire McCarron. Why didn't they send in the paperwork on time, and then celebrate after?
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't care what you want to agree or disagree with. I pay attention to Boston talk radio regularly and I'm telling you what they could have had back in the off season, and anyone paying attention at the time knew it as it was reported. Sheftner was on top of that story the entire time. They wanted both QB's bad. They had to decide. If you're going to act like Jimmy wasn't a hot commodity to NE because he couldn't take Brady's job, then I really don't care what you have to say at all, because that's one of the most ridiculous things ever.
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OK, so you are saying that Belichick is a complete dumbass. He could have had Deshaun Watson plus more for JG, instead he takes a 2nd rounder next year. He wouldn't need JG for Brady insurance this year, he would have had Watson. All year, instead of JG for half a year.

So according to our #1 Patriots fan, Belichick is a terrible GM.
 
Fred said:
OK, so you are saying that Belichick is a complete dumbass. He could have had Deshaun Watson plus more for JG, instead he takes a 2nd rounder next year. He wouldn't need JG for Brady insurance this year, he would have had Watson. All year, instead of JG for half a year.

So according to our #1 Patriots fan, Belichick is a terrible GM.
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BB did sell low, he said as much himself.

He kept Jimmy G as insurance for as long as he could as insurance in case of an injury to Brady.

Little Shanny and Jimmy G are a match made in heaven.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I heard the Bengals got the paper work in 5 minutes before the deadline but the Browns got it in 35 seconds later. The Browns were late because their front office guys were celebrating immediately after they agreed to acquire McCarron. Why didn't they send in the paperwork on time, and then celebrate after?
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Because they are the Browns.

The QBs in Cleveland, especially Kizer must be like WTF?

Hue rotates QBs worse than OB.
 
Jimmy is now 3-0 as the starter in San Fran on a team that had only won one game all season and 5-0 as a starter all together. The doubters are looking more and more foolish by the minute. Rick Smith looks like a clown as well for not trading for this guy two years ago before he ever started when his value was a lot lower. Jimmy and Shanny are going to tear it up once they get some weapons in the next two years. All these teams that needed QB's so bad and wouldn't give up two first rounders or even one are going to be slapping themselves in years to come. Lol at the folks in here who were so against him all because he was from NE.
 
Can you imagine if Garoppolo was in his fourth season with the Texans under O'Brien?

I should hate the Patriots for making that move, but I don't. Texans FO should have had more snap and listened to the new head coach at the time.

I'd really like to know how things went down that draft room some day.
 
Double Barrel said:
Can you imagine if Garoppolo was in his fourth season with the Texans under O'Brien?

I should hate the Patriots for making that move, but I don't. Texans FO should have had more snap and listened to the new head coach at the time.

I'd really like to know how things went down that draft room some day.
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Well the Pats grabbed him when no one thought they'd do that. My problem is more about how we didn't heavily go after him two or three off seasons ago when he had looked so good in NE, and already knew the system we had. We could have likely had him for a 2nd rounder then, and I was saying in here that a 1st rounder would have been even fine. My argument was that it didn't matter what NE drafted him for, because he was better than any of the other QB's coming out of that draft any way so why did it matter? People put way to much emphasis on things like that, when at the end of the day it comes down to can this guy become a great QB? Belicheck screwed up that debacle so bad in the end any way, because they could have had at least a 1st rounder and some change in this past off season when they really needed draft picks, and instead he held onto him just to trade him in the seasons for a lousy 2nd. That was a really big head scratcher on how Belicheck totally fumbled that one when he's usually so good at getting value and trading an asset early. I was convinced that they were going to keep him over Brady since they went into this season with him. Oh well, he's on the Niners now and I'll enjoy his rise over there with Shanny. They are going to do some big things I suspect.
 
Double Barrel said:
Can you imagine if Garoppolo was in his fourth season with the Texans under O'Brien?

I should hate the Patriots for making that move, but I don't. Texans FO should have had more snap and listened to the new head coach at the time.

I'd really like to know how things went down that draft room some day.
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Failure is what went down in the Texans draft room that day.

You know I've been Jimmy G's biggest fan on this MB. Imagine a draft with 1-1 Clowney, 2-1 Jimmy G. What could've been with a competent FO. Look back at my mock that offseason.

Oh well, we've had the joy of watching XSF suck for 4 yrs.
 
steelb, I still love the fact we have Deshaun Watson as our franchise quarterback. I'd take a healthy Deshaun over Jimmy G any day of the week. So I'm not terribly concerned over which quarterbacks we passed on during that draft. Where are the Derek Carr fan boys? We should have drafted him too, right?

Just sucks that Deshaun tore his ACL and his historic, record-breaking rookie season was cut short in 2017. If he's strong and ready to go by training camp he should have a monster second season in 2018.

We have a young superstar, franchise quarterback...
Let's just pray for good health moving forward.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
steelb, I still love the fact we have Deshaun Watson as our franchise quarterback. I'd take a healthy Deshaun over Jimmy G any day of the week. So I'm not terribly concerned over which quarterbacks we passed on during that draft. Where are the Derek Carr fan boys? We should have drafted him too, right?
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Yes we should have. Watson working out is irrelevant to the wisdom of not drafting Bridgewater, Carr & Garoppolo.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
steelb, I still love the fact we have Deshaun Watson as our franchise quarterback. I'd take a healthy Deshaun over Jimmy G any day of the week. So I'm not terribly concerned over which quarterbacks we passed on during that draft. Where are the Derek Carr fan boys? We should have drafted him too, right?

Just sucks that Deshaun tore his ACL and his historic, record-breaking rookie season was cut short in 2017. If he's strong and ready to go by training camp he should have a monster second season in 2018.

We have a young superstar, franchise quarterback...
Let's just pray for good health moving forward.
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They both have potential to be superstar QB's. One has blown out both of his knees and is a running style QB. Give me the QB with the least amount of risk. Plus had Jimmy G been drafted then we would have two 1st rd picks and not had to watch the likes of Fitz/Hoyer/Mallett/Os set the QB position back 20 yrs.

That single decision set this franchise back 10 yrs. I hate to break it to you but the Texans wont be SB contenders for the next 5 yrs unless changes are made at the top.
 
steelbtexan said:
I hate to break it to you but the Texans wont be SB contenders for the next 5 yrs unless changes are made at the top.
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The Texans could be playing in the AFC Championship Game next year, possibly Super Bowl, if we can keep Deshaun Watson, J.J. Watt and Whitney Mercilus healthy. I don't think people really understand just how good Watson is. He had us in position to beat the Patriots and Seahawks on the road almost single-handily. Before O'Brien's idiotic playcalling on third and short, needing a first-down to ice the game.
 
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