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QB Brock Osweiler to start preseason opener for Cleveland Browns

JB said:
Seriously? Who do you think signed Osweiler to that ludicrous contract?
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My assumption would be that it was offered by your Executive VP and GM, Rick Smith (undoubtedly with consent from your owner, Bob McNair). I would imagine that that would typically be the case around the league with contracts of that size. I would imagine that the GM in most cases does not execute contracts of that size without consulting the man with the money.

(I'm playing it straight. Hit me with your punch line. :))
 
Brownsfan said:
My assumption would be that it was offered by your Executive VP and GM, Rick Smith (undoubtedly with consent from your owner, Bob McNair). I would imagine that that would typically be the case around the league with contracts of that size. I would imagine that the GM in most cases does not execute contracts of that size without consulting the man with the money.

(I'm playing it straight. Hit me with your punch line. :))
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Texans FO

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Kizer will start the season for the Browns. With Osweiller's and Kessler's performances, they have no choice. I think that Kizer needs lots of prayers.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Kizer will start the season for the Browns. With Osweiller's and Kessler's performances, they have no choice. I think that Kizer needs lots of prayers.
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Well, I guess if one is going to play a rookie, it is best to play him game one with training camp still fresh in his mind. It appears that Deshone has received some intensive coaching since arriving in Cleveland. If they stay on him and he continues to learn the offense, it might work. He has certainly been cramming for the test. At least they are not making him wait a month before taking it. And it appears that we have no good alternative. So in that sense, it makes sense.

At the same time, when possible, I continue to prefer for the development of a quarterback to be at a more leisurely pace. In general, I prefer the way O'Brian is approaching the development of Watson. However, that depends a great deal on Savage handling the job the entire year. The worst possible scenario for Watson would be for O'Brian to wait until November to give up on Savage and then throw the rookie in at that point. During the season, there isn't a great deal of time to devote to coaching of a backup since game planning has to be given priority. Because of that, a rookie is typically better prepared to play at the start of the season than a month or two into the season.

Probably the best scenario for a young quarterback is with an established but ageing quarterback, like the situation in Kansas City, but that doesn't always exist.
 
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Well, I guess if one is going to play a rookie, it is best to play him game one with training camp still fresh in his mind. It appears that Deshone has received some intensive coaching since arriving in Cleveland. If they stay on him and he continues to learn the offense, it might work. He has certainly been cramming for the test. At least they are not making him wait a month before taking it. And it appears that we have no good alternative. So in that sense, it makes sense.

At the same time, when possible, I continue to prefer for the development of a quarterback to be at a more leisurely pace. In general, I prefer the way O'Brian is approaching the development of Watson. However, that depends a great deal on Savage handling the job the entire year. The worst possible scenario for Watson would be for O'Brian to wait until November to give up on Savage and then throw the rookie in at that point. During the season, there isn't a great deal of time to devote to coaching of a backup since game planning has to be given priority. Because of that, a rookie is typically better prepared to play at the start of the season than a month or two into the season.

Probably the best scenario for a young quarterback is with an established but ageing quarterback, like the situation in Kansas City, but that doesn't always exist.
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At least they spent a ton of money on that offensive line in the offseason.
 
JB said:
Any QB not named Osweiler you mean :D
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Are you suggesting that Osweiler is unique in all the world as a quarterback who is not helped by having an improved offensive line, a better running game and stronger defense?

It is all relative, of course, but given any specific base of support, I would assume that any quarterback, including Osweiler, will be helped by having better players around them. Do you dispute that assumption?

I am told that our FO is trying to trade Osweiler and I don't doubt it. If they are not able to do it, they will have a decision to make before the end of this week. I think the odds are about even that they will release him if they can't get something for him. A fifth and maybe part of that 16 mil would be nice.
 
Just saw an interesting stat:

Per a retweet I just saw of an earlier Benjamin Allbright tweet: "Osweiler has the 6th highest winning percentage of active QBs in the NFL."

There was more to the tweet, but no need to mention that here. :)
 
Brownsfan said:
Just saw an interesting stat:

Per a retweet I just saw of an earlier Benjamin Allbright tweet: "Osweiler has the 6th highest winning percentage of active QBs in the NFL."

There was more to the tweet, but no need to mention that here. :)
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Oh I think you should... no sense hiding the good stuff
 
Brownsfan said:
Well, I guess if one is going to play a rookie, it is best to play him game one with training camp still fresh in his mind. It appears that Deshone has received some intensive coaching since arriving in Cleveland. If they stay on him and he continues to learn the offense, it might work. He has certainly been cramming for the test. At least they are not making him wait a month before taking it. And it appears that we have no good alternative. So in that sense, it makes sense.

At the same time, when possible, I continue to prefer for the development of a quarterback to be at a more leisurely pace. In general, I prefer the way O'Brian is approaching the development of Watson. However, that depends a great deal on Savage handling the job the entire year. The worst possible scenario for Watson would be for O'Brian to wait until November to give up on Savage and then throw the rookie in at that point. During the season, there isn't a great deal of time to devote to coaching of a backup since game planning has to be given priority. Because of that, a rookie is typically better prepared to play at the start of the season than a month or two into the season.

Probably the best scenario for a young quarterback is with an established but ageing quarterback, like the situation in Kansas City, but that doesn't always exist.
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amazing80 posted this and I thought it was relevant to the whole Kizer situation:

Interesting take from another poster on another board

2016
Goff and Lynch werent week 1 starters and look terrible

Wentz week 1 starter looks like franchise QB

2015
Winston and Mariota week 1 starters, look like Franchise QBs

2014
Bortles and Manziel not week 1 starters, look terrible
Bridgewater wasnt week 1 starter either but his career is kind of in a mess right now

2013
EJ Manuel wasn't week 1 starter, sucks

2012
Luck, Griffin, Tannehill were all week 1 starters and were going to be franchise guys but injuries have robbed them
Weeden was a week 1 starter that busted, but the guy was a 28 year old rookie

so back in the last 5 drafts the only round 1 complete busts have been guys that didnt start week 1. There is no evidence that starting a guy week 1 as a rookie will harm them in the long run, it seems that 1st round QBs who cant win the job as rookies have a higher likeliness of busting.

If you go to 2011 draft you see it with Newton being a franchise guy starting week 1 and Locker sitting a year and busting out, Ponder and Gabbert werent week 1 starters and busted out

2010 Bradford week 1 starter, still starting in the league....Tebow wasnt a week 1 starter and busted out

2009 Stafford week 1 starter, still going strong...Josh Freeman wasnt and busted out....Mark Sanchez is an exception, as he started week 1 and actually lead the team to the AFC championship game as a rookie, but ultimately busted out

2008 Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco week 1 starters and both going strong
 
I think the question should be whether or not starting a QB in his rookie season is a good idea as opposed to developing him for a year or two before starting such was done with Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers and Kirk Cousins.

The writer leaned heavily on whether a QB started week 1. However, whether a quarterback starts week 1 or week 3 is of little consequence. And while I would agree that holding a quarterback out until the eleventh week is a disservice to the guy, I think the question should be whether he started during his rookie year.

Also, the writer leans heavily toward recent years. And yet we often see quarterback who seem to do well the first two or three years but then quickly fade. Examples are Young, Sanchez, Griffin and Bortles, all of whom started early in their rookie year. Perhaps Carson Wentz will continue to wow, for example, but there is also the chance that he will fade in another year or two like Vince Young and Mark Sanchez.

The writer suggest that the reason some early starters such as RG3 faded was due to injuries; I would suggest that more likely it was a result of not fully learning an NFL offense before starting. Either that or fundamental flaws that were never fully corrected before starting and became strongly engrained. Quarterbacks who are rushed into starting and have some initial success may be less inclined to fully absorb the system or correct flaws.

And finally, the factor of native talent should be considered. Quarterbacks who have the most native talent are more likely to start their rookie year than quarterbacks who have less native talent. There is no doubt that certain quarterbacks such as Tony Romo, Tom Brady and Kirk Cousins did not have the greatest native talent coming into the league and thus were held back for one to three years. There was a reason that RG3 was drafted in the first round while Kirk Cousins was not drafted until the fourth round. Guess who started his rookie season? Tom Brady was not drafted until the sixth round and was behind Drew Bledsoe, a more talented athlete. And Tony Romo was a UFA--not even drafted, and yet, he became one of the top quarterbacks in the league. David Lee recently mentioned that he worked with Tony Romo on his fundamentals for two years before Romo was ready to start. I think that is what more talented quarterbacks who start early often miss. (Of course, if the guy has a bad coach, it may not matter.)
 
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JB said:
Oh I think you should... no sense hiding the good stuff
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JB, I failed to write it down at the time; I have tried to find it since but failed. However, as I recall, Allbright said something to the effect that that was a reason that QB wins is not a real NFL stat.

I agree to some extent, but everything is relative. Yards passing depends to a great degree on a receiver who can both catch and advance the ball. But, of course, Osweiler had great receivers at both Denver and Houston.

Apparently, Sashi is still trying to get a draft choice for Osweiler. He got a fifth round pick for Cam Irving earlier today, but apparently he was forced to release Joe Haden outright. I suspect he will have a hard time getting much for Osweiler, but another fifth would be nice. (Do you guys need a DB? I kind of hate to see Joe go to Pittsburgh.)

EDIT: Too late. He is a Steeler. Three years $27 mil.
 
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Double Barrel said:
The Browns immediately got better with this release. Dude will never start another game in the NFL again.
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Worst signing in franchise history.. cost us a crap load of guaranteed money, a year to see what Savage was capable of (which potentially could of saved us draft picks in the Watson trade), and cost us a 2nd round pick just to get rid of his sorry ass. Horrible HORRIBLE signing.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Worst signing in franchise history.. cost us a crap load of guaranteed money, a year to see what Savage was capable of (which potentially could of saved us draft picks in the Watson trade), and cost us a 2nd round pick to get rid of his sorry ass. Horrible HORRIBLE signing.
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Agreed, but we didn't know that at the time. I think what we can safely accuse the Texans of is panic and mishandling the situation. If Assinheimer had half the talent they thought he had he could have been useful.
 
Double Barrel said:
The Browns immediately got better with this release. Dude will never start another game in the NFL again.
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You may be right, but I expect he will get a contract from somebody. I think we would have kept him except Hogan showed up in preseason games the last couple of weeks.

Edit: if he wants it: It won't be starter money.
 
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I freaking love this clip! LMFAO!


Yes Brook, "The proof is in the film the last two years", that's actually why the Browns cut your sorry ass!
:lol: :BananaWav
 
Carr Bombed said:
Worst signing in franchise history.. cost us a crap load of guaranteed money, a year to see what Savage was capable of (which potentially could of saved us draft picks in the Watson trade), and cost us a 2nd round pick just to get rid of his sorry ass. Horrible HORRIBLE signing.
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It might be the worst signing in Houston pro football history, including anything the Oilers did.

I feel embarrassed that I was hopeful that he'd be at least as good as Schaub. But, that was before I actually saw him play. . .

Brownsfan said:
You may be right, but I expect he will get a contract from somebody. I think we would have kept him except Hogan showed up in preseason games the last couple of weeks.

Edit: if he wants it: It won't be starter money.
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He'll probably get picked up as a backup, but once they see what he really is as a QB on the field, they will quickly realize why the Texans and Browns just cut ties asap.

Beyond the Texans, I really hope the Browns get it together. Y'all have suffered long enough, and I feel both of our fan bases are kindred spirits. The Texans have had some success the past few years, but as cities, we are in the same boat of never having teams even play in Super Bowls.
 
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Seriously, the reason we cut him is that we couldn't trade him. The main reason we couldn't trade him was that even if we were to absorb the first year, he was essentially a one year rental. Most teams want an option for at least a second year, but the second year in his case was for crazy money. A lot of work goes into getting a quarterback up to speed in one's system to keep him for only one year. I would expect that he will sign a two year deal for backup money that will be guaranteed for the first year only. Given a choice between Oz and Kaep, I think most teams would opt for Oz in a New York minute.
 
Brownsfan said:
Seriously, the reason we cut him is that we couldn't trade him. The main reason we couldn't trade him was that even if we were to absorb the first year, he was essentially a one year rental. Most teams want an option for at least a second year, but the second year in his case was for crazy money.
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Damn you greedy bastards, how many draft picks are y'all trying to get off this bum!? :) You already made out like bandits.
 
Well, greedy is what greedy does, I suppose. We are still happy with the second round pick and I am sure that Brock is happy with the $16 million. Plus, he can probably go get some backup money to go with it.
 
Funny statement:

The upside for Osweiler is that he's going to be able to spend the rest of his life bragging that he's the only Browns quarterback who ever left Cleveland with an undefeated record. :spit:
 
Broncos fans are evidently pretty pissed after undrafted rookie QB who was actually a fan favorite was released while Osweiler was re-signed.:chef:
 
Scott Mitchell
Rob Johnson
Ahman Green

so where does this dude rank on the all-time FA busts list?

You know you're some **** if you can't crack the Browns' qb carousel...every bum at qb for the last 10 years has at least been able to get a start or 2 over there.

Broncos fans have to be beside themselves
 
Mr teX said:
Scott Mitchell
Rob Johnson
Ahman Green

so where does this dude rank on the all-time FA busts list?

You know you're some **** if you can't crack the Browns' qb carousel...every bum at qb for the last 10 years has at least been able to get a start or 2 over there.

Broncos fans have to be beside themselves
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And yet Elway still believes in him to some degree.
 
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JB said:
Watson would have to improve his fake
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That's true. But Kubiak got Schaub to have arguably the best in the league. Peyton being the only competition. It seems so simple and yet isn't.

But what Kubiak really did was sell the entire O it was their fake. Block exactly like a run play for Schaub to bootleg.

I'm waiting to see something that pretty from OB's wizard playbook.
 
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