QB Brock Osweiler to start preseason opener for Cleveland Browns

[TexansBull]

It will be interesting to see how Savage and Watson will do tonight.

I saw where you were hoping for no injuries, but do you have a prediction? What do you think will happen?

I left my crystal ball at home,.but if i were to guess this is what is going to happen:

Savage will look second best in a short viewing. He will look good, flash some great things with no real conclusion will be able to be made about him - but the people will still say "yeah he didn't get hurt this time. But what about next time?"

Watson will look promising, but still look like a rookie with the urge to take off and run. People will wager he will start the next preseason game and game 1 of regular season.

Weeden will look the best out of the lot. Because he is playing against the 3rd stringers.

And Brock will look good preseason. Because he does well in a scripted short viewing that's not really that competitive. But come a regular season game...

 

[Brownsfan]

I left my crystal ball at home,.but if i were to guess this is what is going to happen:

Savage will look second best in a short viewing. He will look good, flash some great things with no real conclusion will be able to be made about him - but the people will still say "yeah he didn't get hurt this time. But what about next time?"

Watson will look promising, but still look like a rookie with the urge to take off and run. People will wager he will start the next preseason game and game 1 of regular season.

Weeden will look the best out of the lot. Because he is playing against the 3rd stringers.

And Brock will look good preseason. Because he does well in a scripted short viewing that's not really that competitive. But come a regular season game...

...he will play about like he did in Denver in 2015--good, but not great. He has a strong arm and when his fundamentals are right and his head is clear, he isn't bad. I think he will be able to hold off Kizer until next year, but I think Kizer will be the Browns starter in 2018.

I think you are right about Savage and Watson. I hope O'Brian is able to keep Savage on the field this year and give Watson the redshirt year he needs, but I think Watson will easily overtake Savage next year.

 

[TexansBull]

...he will play about like he did in Denver in 2015--good, but not great. He has a strong arm and when his fundamentals are right and his head is clear, he isn't bad. I think he will be able to hold off Kizer until next year, but I think Kizer will be the Browns starter in 2018.

I think you are right about Savage and Watson. I hope O'Brian is able to keep Savage on the field this year and give Watson the redshirt year he needs, but I think Watson will easily overtake Savage next year.

100% agree with the Savage Watson thing.

 

[Speedy]

43% completions, 3 yards per attempt, 50.3 passer rating. Brock being Brock.

 

[TexansBull]

43% completions, 3 yards per attempt, 50.3 passer rating. Brock being Brock.

No one is going to work harder, spend more time studying film, or spend more time fixing those mistakes than him.

How many times did we hear that?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Jettisoned Texans QB Brock Osweiler lackluster in Browns debut
By Matt Wyatt

Updated 9:19 pm, Thursday, August 10, 2017

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Cleveland Browns offense looked shaky in Brock Osweiler's debut -- Terry Pluto (photos)

Updated on August 10, 2017 at 10:55 PM Posted on August 10, 2017 at 10:41 PM

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Gallery: Cleveland Browns vs. New Orleans Saints, August 10, 2017

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer

terrypluto2003@yahoo.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- So how did Brock Osweiler play in his debut as the Cleveland Browns quarterback?

Let's ignore that question for a moment, and try this one: How about the new look defense designed by Gregg Williams?

I know, the Browns were facing mostly backups for the New Orleans Saints, but the defense definitely played with more edge and aggression than a year ago.

What about Osweiler?

Myles Garrett looked good.

Very, very good.

The team's top draft pick had a nice tackle on a run for a loss. He had a quarterback hit. A few other times, it was easy to notice him in the Saints backfield.

But what about Osweiler?

How about Nate Orchard?

He had a sack and obviously is more comfortable as a defensive end in the 4-3 defense, the basic position he played at Utah. The Browns made him a second-round pick in 2015, then converted him to a 3-4 linebacker.

Williams plays a 4-3 defense, at least some of the time. That could help Orchard and several other Browns player. Emmanuel Ogbah and Garrett should be more effective in that set.

How about Osweiler?

Second-year man Joe Schobert played middle linebacker, and he had a sack. Like Orchard, he also is better suited for a 4-3 defense.

Osweiler?

I don't suppose you want to hear about Cam Erving starting at left tackle in place of Joe Thomas, who was resting. And how Erving was flagged for penalties on the first two plays of the game. The 2015 first-rounder had lots of issues at left tackle.

Erving's disastrous first series meant there was nothing to see here when it came to Osweiler.

Finally, Osweiler?

Osweiler had a rough night. He overthrew at least three receivers. He was 6-of-14 passing for 42 yards.

He was not sure where some of his receivers were going ... or they weren't where he was throwing the ball.

Corey Coleman ran the wrong route on one play.

Kenny Britt caught what appeared to be a nice TD pass in the end zone, but was not able to keep both feet inbounds. He also was not able to come up with another pass in the goal line, where he was tightly covered.

Osweiler and the offense had moments where it seemed they only had met each a few hours before the game.

Part of the reason for that could be Osweiler had been practicing with the starters for only two days in practice.

The Browns had hoped Cody Kessler could win the quarterback job, but he had far too many dismal days on the practice field. There were sacks, balls batted down by the defense and a general sense that Kessler's confidence was shaken.

He played in the second quarter and was 5-of-10 passing for 47 yards. He was sacked and had a pass batted down.

The offense struggled most of the night, regardless who was the quarterback.

In general, the receivers did little to distinguish themselves. Ricardo Louis made a strong catch for 10 yards with a defender hanging on his back.

I wanted the Browns to play Osweiler to open the season, and I still do. But this game shows the offense is well behind the Browns defense.

Coach Hue Jackson needs to get Osweiler a lot of time with the starters in practice, or we'll see more performances like this.

 

[JB]

Cleveland Browns offense looked shaky in Brock Osweiler's debut -- Terry Pluto
Coach Hue Jackson needs to get Osweiler a lot of time with the starters in practice, or we'll see more performances like this.

And will probably see more performances like that as long as he starts

 

[Brownsfan]

And will probably see more performances like that as long as he starts

I thought Osweiler did about as expected considering the situation and the early penalties by the OL. I thought the pass to Britt was a touchdown and was surprised that, as the replay showed, an experienced wide receiver like Britt didn't get his second foot down. (I also thought Kessler looked at least fair with a couple of pretty good downfield throws.)

But, of course, the big story tonight in Cleveland was Kizer--just as Watson was the big story in Houston, and Trubisky was the super-duper big story in Chicago. It is the nature of things when a talented young quarterback gets to play against second and third string defenses in a preseason game. And it is the nature of fans and the press to go bonkers (NFL.com calling Kizer king in Cleveland, for example).

On the strength of one half against the Saint's second and third string defenses, the Cleveland press and most fans will be calling for Kizer to start immediately. Maybe I am wrong, but I think he needs a redshirt year and of the two remaining possible starters, I prefer Osweiler over Kessler to start for the Browns this year.

 

[Hervoyel]

Well, maybe he'll replace Osweiler earlier? Tom Savage did and arguably a lot of people wanted to see that happen weeks before O'Brien finally did what he needed to do. Maybe by mid-season Kizer will be ready and Os can return to his natural environment standing next to the HC with a juice box and a set of headphones.

 

[PapaL]

Kiser looked good/intriguing. Browns fan's now know that Brock isn't the answer.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I thought Osweiler did about as expected considering the situation and the early penalties by the OL. I thought the pass to Britt was a touchdown and was surprised that, as the replay showed, an experienced wide receiver like Britt didn't get his second foot down. (I also thought Kessler looked at least fair with a couple of pretty good downfield throws.)

But, of course, the big story tonight in Cleveland was Kizer--just as Watson was the big story in Houston, and Trubisky was the super-duper big story in Chicago. It is the nature of things when a talented young quarterback gets to play against second and third string defenses in a preseason game. And it is the nature of fans and the press to go bonkers (NFL.com calling Kizer king in Cleveland, for example).

On the strength of one half against the Saint's second and third string defenses, the Cleveland press and most fans will be calling for Kizer to start immediately. Maybe I am wrong, but I think he needs a redshirt year and of the two remaining possible starters, I prefer Osweiler over Kessler to start for the Browns this year.

Fair assessment. Unfortunately, with the choices at hand, I now don't see the Browns changing colors in the foreseeable future. If Osweiler being placed as starter in the preseason was trying to showcase for "trade bait," it was misguided and doomed to fail, while taking valuable reps from someone else. The Browns should have brought in another established vet instead of Osweiler.......just even at least a known mediocre one as a "placeholder." If Osweiler being placed as preseason starter was intended as him being the starter solution this season for the Browns, I believe the entire Browns' FO should consider checking themselves into a rehab facility.

 

[Brownsfan]

Well, maybe he'll replace Osweiler earlier? Tom Savage did and arguably a lot of people wanted to see that happen weeks before O'Brien finally did what he needed to do. Maybe by mid-season Kizer will be ready and Os can return to his natural environment standing next to the HC with a juice box and a set of headphones.

You sound bitter. However, that does not appear to be unique among Texans fans. I have seen it repeatedly in this thread. However, I would note that in the scheme of things, very few quarterbacks would rise to the expectations you had for this second round pick who was initially correctly identified as a second or third rounder. And, despite the apparent shinny 5-2 record in Denver that helped that team to a Super Bowl, his stats for that campaign suggest that he was carried more than he carried.

He was never as good as you dreamed nor is he as bad as you now like to claim. (Note: I recognize, of course, that some like JB are just having fun trying to pull my chain which is fine. I have no problem with that. But I think others truly are as bitter as you sound.)

As for me, I am much more concerned about Kizer being given the job before he is ready. There is no doubt in my mind that Kizer is more talented and will overtake Osweiler at some point. But I think Osweiler can serve as a bridge to Kizer and that is what I want to happen.

 

[Brownsfan]

Kiser looked good/intriguing. Browns fan's now know that Brock isn't the answer.

I don't think that ever was a question. We see what you see and saw what you saw.

 

[Brownsfan]

Fair assessment. Unfortunately, with the choices at hand, I now don't see the Browns changing colors in the foreseeable future. If Osweiler being placed as starter in the preseason was trying to showcase for "trade bait," it was misguided and doomed to fail, while taking valuable reps from someone else. The Browns should have brought in another established vet instead of Osweiler.......just even at least a known mediocre one as a "placeholder." If Osweiler being placed as preseason starter was intended as him being the starter solution this season for the Browns, I believe the entire Browns' FO should consider checking themselves into a rehab facility.

Osweiler is better than any possible "established vet" we might have otherwise acquired.

Exactly which "established vet" would you have suggested. The plan was for Kessler to be the bridge to Kizer since he was one who started eight games last year and knew the system. That is why Kessler and Kizer split first team reps and Osweiler and Hogan got the second team reps. (And BTW, Kessler, in my opinion is also better than any "established vet" we might have acquired.)

However, Osweiler came in, worked hard, had a great attitude, learned the system and showed himself to be better than Kessler. So he got all the first team reps the two days prior to the Saints game. I would expect that he will now split the first team reps with Kizer and that Kessler and Hogan will split the second team reps the next ten days before the Giants game.

 

[Hervoyel]

You sound bitter. However, that does not appear to be unique among Texans fans. I have seen it repeatedly in this thread. However, I would note that in the scheme of things, very few quarterbacks would rise to the expectations you had for this second round pick who was initially correctly identified as a second or third rounder. And, despite the apparent shinny 5-2 record in Denver that helped that team to a Super Bowl, his stats for that campaign suggest that he was carried more than he carried.

He was never as good as you dreamed nor is he as bad as you now like to claim. (Note: I recognize, of course, that some like JB are just having fun trying to pull my chain which is fine. I have no problem with that. But I think others truly are as bitter as you sound.)

As for me, I am much more concerned about Kizer being given the job before he is ready. There is no doubt in my mind that Kizer is more talented and will overtake Osweiler at some point. But I think Osweiler can serve as a bridge to Kizer and that is what I want to happen.

I'm not at all bitter toward or about Os. He got paid by a dumb Texans front office. My expectations for him were pretty much non-existent and the team going out and signing him took me by surprise. Not because I didn't think we needed a QB as much as that I didn't think they were looking at anyone in particular and if they did anything at all it would be through the draft. The Texans chose him and I hoped for the best. I really thought the season should have been given to Savage to sink or swim but that wasn't what the Texans wanted in the aftermath of Brian Hoyer's playoff meltdown.

I was really just trying to be funny but you took it in such a way that I can't help but think you sound defensive. To be fair I was surprised the Browns kept him at all but then I guess the cupboard up there was pretty bare when he arrived. I know what that's like for a fan so I'm not going to pull your chain anymore. Kizer is your teams future (and it's bright I think) while Osweiler is the guy who got you a second round pick from us to eat our financial commitments. He's a nice guy and I wish it had worked out but it didn't.

 

[Brownsfan]

I'm not at all bitter toward or about Os. He got paid by a dumb Texans front office. My expectations for him were pretty much non-existent and the team going out and signing him took me by surprise. Not because I didn't think we needed a QB as much as that I didn't think they were looking at anyone in particular and if they did anything at all it would be through the draft. The Texans chose him and I hoped for the best. I really thought the season should have been given to Savage to sink or swim but that wasn't what the Texans wanted in the aftermath of Brian Hoyer's playoff meltdown.

I was really just trying to be funny but you took it in such a way that I can't help but think you sound defensive. To be fair I was surprised the Browns kept him at all but then I guess the cupboard up there was pretty bare when he arrived. I know what that's like for a fan so I'm not going to pull your chain anymore. Kizer is your teams future (and it's bright I think) while Osweiler is the guy who got you a second round pick from us to eat our financial commitments. He's a nice guy and I wish it had worked out but it didn't.

Nice post. I hope Watson does for you what we hope Kizer does for us.

BTW, in regard to the cupboard in Cleveland, at the end of what I call the Banner/Lombardi/Pettine era, we had an old, bad, expensive team. However, the new administration came in, cleaned house and after some shrewd trades of draft prospects we now have the youngest team in the league with lots of great young talent that needs time to grow up. Some of us Browns fans are more patient than others. I am one of the more patient ones.

 

[JB]

Nice post. I hope Watson does for you what we hope Kizer does for us.

BTW, in regard to the cupboard in Cleveland, at the end of what I call the Banner/Lombardi/Pettine era, we had an old, bad, expensive team. However, the new administration came in, cleaned house and after some shrewd trades of draft prospects we now have the youngest team in the league with lots of great young talent that needs time to grow up. Some of us Browns fan are more patient than others. I am one of the more patient ones.

Patience is an unknown word around here

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Osweiler is better than any possible "established vet" we might have otherwise acquired.

Exactly which "established vet" would you have suggested. The plan was for Kessler to be the bridge to Kizer since he was one who started eight games last year and knew the system. That is why Kessler and Kizer split first team reps and Osweiler and Hogan got the second team reps. (And BTW, Kessler, in my opinion is also better than any "established vet" we might have acquired.)

However, Osweiler came in, worked hard, had a great attitude, learned the system and showed himself to be better than Kessler. So he got all the first team reps the two days prior to the Saints game. I would expect that he will now split the first team reps with Kizer and that Kessler and Hogan will split the second team reps the next ten days before the Giants game.

Hoyer, Yates, McCown, Landry Jones, EJ Manuel and others were all available in March...........not glowing stars for sure, but vets that could more likely and willingly see themselves as and act as mentors to Kizer........and a heck of a lot cheaper. And if the Browns did not care about the money which they evidently didn't), after the fact of douching the Texans, they could have released Osweiler and still made out like bandits with that extra 2018 2nd round pick.

 

[Texecutioner]

You sound bitter. However, that does not appear to be unique among Texans fans. I have seen it repeatedly in this thread. However, I would note that in the scheme of things, very few quarterbacks would rise to the expectations you had for this second round pick who was initially correctly identified as a second or third rounder. And, despite the apparent shinny 5-2 record in Denver that helped that team to a Super Bowl, his stats for that campaign suggest that he was carried more than he carried.

He was never as good as you dreamed nor is he as bad as you now like to claim. (Note: I recognize, of course, that some like JB are just having fun trying to pull my chain which is fine. I have no problem with that. But I think others truly are as bitter as you sound.)

As for me, I am much more concerned about Kizer being given the job before he is ready. There is no doubt in my mind that Kizer is more talented and will overtake Osweiler at some point. But I think Osweiler can serve as a bridge to Kizer and that is what I want to happen.

He was just as bad as anyone is claiming. I don't care what he is doing now in Cleveland. It has nothing to do with how he performed here. Some people had high expectations. Some didn't. He had a really solid team around him though. He didn't have a great Oline, and it made things more difficult but he had good weapons to throw to. He was inaccurate all season long and was an INT throwing machine. You don't have to accept that, but it's recent history. Maybe he'll play better there. Frankly I don't care. The Browns are still far from being competitive, and they should have given up the world for Garrapallo if there was a price that BB was willing to take. The Texans should have as well the off season before when Jimmy didn't have near the value he had last off season.

 

[Texecutioner]

You sound bitter. However, that does not appear to be unique among Texans fans. I have seen it repeatedly in this thread. However, I would note that in the scheme of things, very few quarterbacks would rise to the expectations you had for this second round pick who was initially correctly identified as a second or third rounder. And, despite the apparent shinny 5-2 record in Denver that helped that team to a Super Bowl, his stats for that campaign suggest that he was carried more than he carried.

He was never as good as you dreamed nor is he as bad as you now like to claim. (Note: I recognize, of course, that some like JB are just having fun trying to pull my chain which is fine. I have no problem with that. But I think others truly are as bitter as you sound.)

As for me, I am much more concerned about Kizer being given the job before he is ready. There is no doubt in my mind that Kizer is more talented and will overtake Osweiler at some point. But I think Osweiler can serve as a bridge to Kizer and that is what I want to happen.

He was just as bad as anyone is claiming. I don't care what he is doing now in Cleveland. It has nothing to do with how he performed here. Some people had high expectations. Some didn't. He had a really solid team around him though. He didn't have a great Oline, and it made things more difficult but he had good weapons to throw to. He was inaccurate all season long and was an INT throwing machine. You don't have to accept that, but it's recent history. Maybe he'll play better there. Frankly I don't care. The Browns are still far from being competitive, and they should have given up the world for Garrapallo if there was a price that BB was willing to take. The Texans should have as well the off season before when Jimmy didn't have near the value he had last off season.

 

[Brownsfan]

Hoyer, Yates, McCown, Landry Jones, EJ Manuel and others were all available in March...........not glowing stars for sure, but vets that could more likely and willingly see themselves as and act as mentors to Kizer........and a heck of a lot cheaper. And if the Browns did not care about the money which they evidently didn't), after the fact of douching the Texans, they could have released Osweiler and still made out like bandits with that extra 2018 2nd round pick.

Are you out of your everloving gourd? Hoyer, Yates, McCown, Landry Jones, EJ Manuel? Of the five you named, Hoyer is probably the best. But how and when was Hoyer ever better than Osweiler? Hoyer was 5-6 in Houston and 1-5 in Chicago. How would you expect him to do with us? Probably about like Chicago? Really, Cloak, We are not that stupid.

And how could any of them be cheaper than Osweilter? Considering that Osweiler costs us the same if we keep or release him, keeping him is essentially free. Now, after this year, the guarantee that is owed to him will be about used up and we could release his at relatively little cost then, but that is next year, not this year. And we make out like bandits with the extra 2018 second round pick either way. So I don't see any reason to pay good money to one of those guys when a guy who was 5-2 at Denver and 8-7 in Houston is free.

 

[Brownsfan]

He was just as bad as anyone is claiming. I don't care what he is doing now in Cleveland. It has nothing to do with how he performed here. Some people had high expectations. Some didn't. He had a really solid team around him though. He didn't have a great Oline, and it made things more difficult but he had good weapons to throw to. He was inaccurate all season long and was an INT throwing machine. You don't have to accept that, but it's recent history. Maybe he'll play better there. Frankly I don't care. The Browns are still far from being competitive, and they should have given up the world for Garrapallo if there was a price that BB was willing to take. The Texans should have as well the off season before when Jimmy didn't have near the value he had last off season.

I agree with one thing you said. I think Garrapallo would have been a better choice for you than Osweiler assuming that you could have wiggled him free from Belichick. Garrapallo is no more proven now than Osweiler was when you spent all that money on Osweiler, but Garrapallo, at least, knows your offensive system since it is the same, or essentially the same, as the system Belichick runs, and also he appears to be the type of quarterback that O'Brian prefers. Indeed, my guess is that if O'Brian had a choice between Garrapallo and Watson, he would chose Garrapallo in a New York minute.

But I disagree that Garrapallo would have been a good choice for us in Hue Jackson's offense. I think that Osweiler is a better, and, certainly, much cheaper, choice for us since Garrapallo would have probably cost us two first round picks. (I think Kizer is a better prospect than either, of course, but that is outside the point being discussed.)

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Be careful with the designations of "loser." I'll gladly let you call me "out of my ever loving gourd" after this season is over.

 

[Texecutioner]

I agree with one thing you said. I think Garrapallo would have been a better choice for you than Osweiler assuming that you could have wiggled him free from Belichick. He is no more proven now than Osweiler was when you spent all that money on Osweiler, but Garrapallo, at least, knows your offensive system since it is the same, or essentially the same, as the system Belichick runs, and also he appears to be the type of quarterback that O'Brian prefers. Indeed, my guess is that if O'Brian had a choice between Garrapallo and Watson, he would chose Garrapallo in a New York minute.

Have you watched him before? He looks 100 Times better than Oz ever looked in Denver. He has an arm like a rocket and can sling it all over the place with ease and quick release. Oz has one of the ugliest and longest release times I've ever seen. Jimmy has shown been remarkable at every opportunity, and the fact that Bill wouldn't even trade him for all of the stuff he could get last season ought to tell you everything you need to know about how good he is.

But I disagree that Garrapallo would have been a good choice for us in Hue Jackson's offense. I think that Osweiler is a better, and, certainly, much cheaper, choice for us since Garrapallo would have probably cost us two first round picks. (I think Kizer is a better prospect than either, of course, but that is outside the point being discussed.)

Based on this statement, you're pretty much in La la land and I don't even mean to be rude by saying that. Delusional Browns fan who has his jimmies on fire for the new QB in town with optimism. That is nothing but what people call hope. In the sports world objective people don't predict or analyze things by "hope." Oz just came off of a season where he was arguably the worst QB in the league of 32 teams, and he NEVER improved at any point last season. Not even after being benched. He ran his mouth about his old team and came into Houston letting his nuts hang after bashing Elway and lying to Elway as well and it all blew up in his face giving that snotty ass Elway the last laugh. Well you have fun with that optimism and that hope you have. At this point I'd think you would have abandoned that as a Browns fan with so many monumental disappointments over the last decade 15 years and become a realist. That's got to be painful going through that every year with that kind of false expectation.

 

[Speedy]

You sound bitter. However, that does not appear to be unique among Texans fans. I have seen it repeatedly in this thread. However, I would note that in the scheme of things, very few quarterbacks would rise to the expectations you had for this second round pick who was initially correctly identified as a second or third rounder. And, despite the apparent shinny 5-2 record in Denver that helped that team to a Super Bowl, his stats for that campaign suggest that he was carried more than he carried.

He was never as good as you dreamed nor is he as bad as you now like to claim. (Note: I recognize, of course, that some like JB are just having fun trying to pull my chain which is fine. I have no problem with that. But I think others truly are as bitter as you sound.)

As for me, I am much more concerned about Kizer being given the job before he is ready. There is no doubt in my mind that Kizer is more talented and will overtake Osweiler at some point. But I think Osweiler can serve as a bridge to Kizer and that is what I want to happen.

Dude, Brock Osweiler is garbage. Good luck with that.

 

[Brownsfan]

Be careful with the designations of "loser." I'll gladly let you call me "out of my ever loving gourd" after this season is over.

Sorry about calling guys like Hoyer, Yates, McCown, Landry Jones and EJ Manuel losers. I got a little exuberant and went too far. My attitude is that anybody who can get an NFL contract, even as a backup, is no loser. I should have used the word, "guys," instead. Will edit. The "out of your everloving gourd," however, was rhetorical and intended as humor. I thought you would take it the right way, but maybe I confused you with JB.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

You sound bitter. However, that does not appear to be unique among Texans fans. I have seen it repeatedly in this thread. However, I would note that in the scheme of things, very few quarterbacks would rise to the expectations you had for this second round pick who was initially correctly identified as a second or third rounder. And, despite the apparent shinny 5-2 record in Denver that helped that team to a Super Bowl, his stats for that campaign suggest that he was carried more than he carried.

He was never as good as you dreamed nor is he as bad as you now like to claim. (Note: I recognize, of course, that some like JB are just having fun trying to pull my chain which is fine. I have no problem with that. But I think others truly are as bitter as you sound.)

As for me, I am much more concerned about Kizer being given the job before he is ready. There is no doubt in my mind that Kizer is more talented and will overtake Osweiler at some point. But I think Osweiler can serve as a bridge to Kizer and that is what I want to happen.

I'm glad you are happy to have Os because I'm glad he's no longer here. Good luck with that.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Sorry about calling guys like Hoyer, Yates, McCown, Landry Jones and EJ Manuel losers. I got a little exuberant and went too far. My attitude is that anybody who can get an NFL contract, even as a backup, is no loser. I should have used the word, "guys," instead. Will edit. The "out of your everloving gourd," however, was rhetorical and intended as humor. I thought you would take it the right way, but maybe I confused you with JB.

I took it as no more than humorous banter.............in the same fashion as my retort was meant (should have probably put a after my last sentence). Sometimes, what is written on the internet is unfortunately too easily misinterpreted in comparison to speaking face to face.

 

[Brownsfan]

Based on this statement, you're pretty much in La la land and I don't even mean to be rude by saying that. Delusional Browns fan who has his jimmies on fire for the new QB in town with optimism. That is nothing but what people call hope. In the sports world objective people don't predict or analyze things by "hope."

Well, about all I can tell you is that this "delusional Browns fan" was happy to get a sixth round pick, a 2018 second round pick and Osweiler in exchange for a fourth round pick. And this "delusional Browns fan" was equally happy to get an additional 2018 first round pick in exchange for allowing you to move up and select Watson. And just in case Kizer proves not to be as good as we "hope," we have two first round and three second round picks to use in 2018 (or trade for additional picks in 2019) with which to recover.

My understanding is that the price for Garrapallo was two first round draft picks. If Garrapallo is all that you say he is (and I really don't know), you would have been ahead to trade two first round picks for him, which is essentially what you paid for Watson.

 

[Brownsfan]

I took it as no more than humorous banter.............in the same fashion as my retort was meant. Sometimes, what is written on the internet is unfortunately too easily misinterpreted in comparison to speaking face to face.

Actually, I strongly suspected that to be the case. Just wanted to make sure with the possible "confusion" of you with JB. You are both jokers in my book, my favorite kind.

 

[PapaL]

When’s the wedding?

 

[Brownsfan]

When’s the wedding?

You mean between Cloak and JB?

 

[Fred]

Well, maybe he'll replace Osweiler earlier? Tom Savage did and arguably a lot of people wanted to see that happen weeks before O'Brien finally did what he needed to do. Maybe by mid-season Kizer will be ready and Os can return to his natural environment standing next to the HC with a juice box and a set of headphones.

Os: "Juice Box? It's NOT a Juice Box! It's a hydration bottle. Which is very important because you never know when ... err ... a Cheerleader might smile at me! Hey, just because it has never happened doesn't mean it couldn't happen!"

 

[austins23]

Osweiler is better than any possible "established vet" we might have otherwise acquired.
Exactly which "established vet" would you have suggested.

Kaepernick....

I'm not fond of the guy and couldn't give two turds if he ever plays in the NFL again, but I think he'd be/is better than Brock..

 

[Brownsfan]

Kaepernick....

I'm not fond of the guy and couldn't give two turds if he ever plays in the NFL again, but I think he'd be/is better than Brock..

Possibly, I suppose. But I view Kaepernick kind of like Manziel. These are both very talented guys, but unless you want to hand the ball to them and go with whatever they give you, they will pose a distraction that you simply do not need if you are trying to build a winning football team.

After this year, I expect that Osweiler will be a backup. But in the meantime, what I want is for him to be a bridge to our next franchise quarterback. I hope it turns out to be Kizer after a redshirt year, but if not, we have plenty of draft choices to try again in the future. And, in relative terms, Osweiler is free meaning that playing him or releasing him essentially costs us the same. It is the price we paid for the second round pick. In addition, since he has been with the Browns, he has shown himself to be a great teammate and a hard worker who has worked hard to learn the offense. And he seems to have a great attitude. So even if you could make the case that Kaepernick and Manziel are more talented than Osweiler, I would rather have Osweiler on my team.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Possibly, I suppose. But I view Kaepernick kind of like Manziel. These are both very talented guys, but unless you want to hand the ball to them and go with whatever they give you, they will pose a distraction that you simply do not need if you are trying to build a winning football team.

After this year, I expect that Osweiler will be a backup. But in the meantime, what I want is for him to be a bridge to our next franchise quarterback. I hope it turns out to be Kizer after a redshirt year, but if not, we have plenty of draft choices to try again in the future. And, in relative terms, Osweiler is free meaning that playing him or releasing him essentially costs us the same. It is the price we paid for the second round pick. In addition, since he has been with the Browns, he has shown himself to be a great teammate and a hard worker who has worked hard to learn the offense. And he seems to have a great attitude. So even if you could make the case that Kaepernick and Manziel are more talented than Osweiler, I would rather have Osweiler on my team.

Looks like Kizer was splitting 1st team reps with Osweiler. Can't make too much from this at this point. But one thing that Osweiler has carried over from last year to this year, too many of his balls sail into the clear blue yonder and too many other balls are digging their way to China. Admittedly, it's still early. But if his new coaching staff has been working with him this long, I don't know that these flaws in his game are destined to change much. Again, it will be interesting to follow.

 

[Brownsfan]

Looks like Kizer was splitting 1st team reps with Osweiler. Can't make too much from this at this point. But one thing that Osweiler has carried over from last year to this year, too many of his balls sail into the clear blue yonder and too many other balls are digging their way to China. Admittedly, it's still early. But if his new coaching staff has been working with him this long, I don't know that these flaws in his game are destined to change much. Again, it will be interesting to follow.

Brock threw two interceptions today in practice. Kizer threw one. Hue was not happy. Such is life.

 

[ObsiWan]

Brock threw two interceptions today in practice. Kizer threw one. Hue was not happy. Such is life.

So your defense is farther along than your offense....?
...just trying to find the positive here

 

[Brownsfan]

So your defense is farther along than your offense....?
...just trying to find the positive here

It seems that way to me. After years of being ranked at or near the bottom of the league on both sides of the ball, I see a nominal improvement of the offense with the addition of Zeitler from Cincinnati and Tretter from Green Bay, but the offense won't be significantly better until we get a QB. However, I see a possible significant jump on defense already. We still have some work to do with the secondary, but, while our front seven is young, I think it is solid and deep and will only get better in the next couple of years.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

It seems that way to me. After years of being ranked at or near the bottom of the league on both sides of the ball, I see a nominal improvement of the offense with the addition of Zeitler from Cincinnati and Tretter from Green Bay, but the offense won't be significantly better until we get a QB. However, I see a possible significant jump on defense already. We still have some work to do with the secondary, but, while our front seven is young, I think it is solid and deep and will only get better in the next couple of years.

You've at least built up you Oline well, before exposing your QBs to automatic destruction. I think that the way the Browns are slowly building both sides of the team, I see this team eventually coming out of their dark hole.......especially with their stacked Drat picks. I just can't help but think that your choice of interim QBs will impede the timetable for the Brown's potential advancement.

 

[TexansBull]

You've at least built up you Oline well, before exposing your QBs to automatic destruction. I think that the way the Browns are slowly building both sides of the team, I see this team eventually coming out of their dark hole.......especially with their stacked Drat picks. I just can't help but think that your choice of interim QBs will impede the timetable for the Brown's potential advancement.

They are a QB away from being competitive. Sounds like another team i know...

 

[Brownsfan]

You've at least built up you Oline well, before exposing your QBs to automatic destruction. I think that the way the Browns are slowly building both sides of the team, I see this team eventually coming out of their dark hole.......especially with their stacked Drat picks. I just can't help but think that your choice of interim QBs will impede the timetable for the Brown's potential advancement.

By adding Zeitler and Tretter to Thomas and Bitonio (who is back from injury), we feel that we are a RT away from a pretty good OL, and perhaps one of the youngsters competing for that job will prove adequate, so perhaps we won't be forced to use six different quarterbacks again this year. Considering the way Sashi has been able to multiply draft picks, the rebuild may not be as slow as you seem to indicate. As you may recall, we had three first round and two second round picks this year and we will have two firsts and three seconds next year. Also, I understand that Osweiler is still available; I hear the price is a third and a full offload of the salary. But I prefer to keep him. We can afford the salary and I think he is better than Kessler.

 

[Brownsfan]

They are a QB away from being competitive. Sounds like another team i know...

I think we still have work to do with our receiver corps and secondary as well as QB. But we have draft choices to address those other needs next year and I am hopeful that Kizer can be our QB solution. I just don't want him rushed in before he is ready to start. I assume you feel similarly about Watson.

 

[TexansBull]

I think we still have work to do with our receiver corps and secondary as well as QB. But we have draft choices to address those other needs next year and I am hopeful that Kizer can be our QB solution. I just don't want him rushed in before he is ready to start. I assume you feel similarly about Watson.

I agree to err on the side of caution and take time with the QB. I prefer Watson to start after our third game with the Patriots if he us ready. Hopefully he will get to play in some garbage time when we are up by a lot in those games.

 

[Mollywhopper]

I agree to err on the side of caution and take time with the QB. I prefer Watson to start after our third game with the Patriots if he us ready. Hopefully he will get to play in some garbage time when we are up by a lot in those games.

Wait, you envision us replacing our starting qb despite being in the lead a lot in his first few games?

 

[Brownsfan]

I agree to err on the side of caution and take time with the QB. I prefer Watson to start after our third game with the Patriots if he us ready. Hopefully he will get to play in some garbage time when we are up by a lot in those games.

I seriously doubt that Watson will be fully ready to start by the fourth game. I think that he, like Kizer and Trubisky, needs a red shirt year. In general, I think that if a rookie quarterback is not fully ready by the start of the season, it is best to wait until the next year. The reason is that a backup doesn't learn much during the season since almost all the attention and reps are showered on the starter. NFL offenses are complex and take some time to learn. The time to learn is in OTAs, spring practices, the offseason and training camp. I think a rookie quarterback starting mid-season is like a student cramming for a calculus test for a month and then waiting a month to take a test.

I think that if he isn't ready to take the test after a month of cramming, he, for sure, won't be ready for the test after waiting a month. And I think that is particularly true with respect to your offense which, as I recall, Weeden once said was like learning Chinese backwards. We know for a fact that one of the problems Osweiler had in Houston was that he never learned the offense well enough to execute the full offense efficiently. I hear that Watson is pretty smart and a quick study. But I just think an extra set of OTAs, spring practices, another off season to refine his fundamentals and then training camp with the first team reps would mean a much better prepared to start Deshaun Watson.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Interesting "brick" technique for shortening the quarterbacks' stride..........seems to have a little more effect so far on Kizer than Brock (the brick head) Osweiler.

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Smaller strides lead to big strides for DeShone Kizer, Brock Osweiler
Posted 2 hours ago

Andrew Gribble Senior Staff Writer @Andrew_Gribble

QB coach David Lee preaching fundamentals to his group
When it’s time for warm-ups, a football and a cinder block await DeShone Kizer.

The pieces of equipment go hand in hand. Really, though, it’s hand to foot, as the cinder block serves as the ultimate deterrent to Kizer’s bad habit of elongated strides.

The daily drill has already paid dividends in quarterbacks coach David Lee’s eyes. He cited Kizer’s shortened strides as one of the rookie’s biggest improvements since the start of OTAs.

“When your stride is out there and long, your body can’t catch up to your lower body,” Lee said before Sunday’s practice. “That ball is going to come out closer to your front foot. You would like for it to be in a straight line. He is way out. He is not anymore. He has cut a lot of his stride length down, which should increase his accuracy. It should decrease high balls sailing over people’s heads.”

Kizer didn’t have too many passes sail on him Thursday in his preseason debut. The rookie completed 11-of-18 passes for 181 yards, more than half of which coming on two deep passes. He hit Richard Mullaney on a 52-yard pass that set up a touchdown early in the fourth quarter and sent Cleveland to a victory with his 45-yard touchdown pass to Jordan Payton with less than 2 minutes to play..............................THE REST OF THE STORY [including Osweiler]

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I seriously doubt that Watson will be fully ready to start by the fourth game. I think that he, like Kizer and Trubisky, needs a red shirt year. In general, I think that if a rookie quarterback is not fully ready by the start of the season, it is best to wait until the next year. The reason is that a backup doesn't learn much during the season since almost all the attention and reps are showered on the starter. NFL offenses are complex and take some time to learn. The time to learn is in OTAs, spring practices, the offseason and training camp. I think a rookie quarterback starting mid-season is like a student cramming for a calculus test for a month and then waiting a month to take a test.

I think that if he isn't ready to take the test after a month of cramming, he, for sure, won't be ready for the test after waiting a month. And I think that is particularly true with respect to your offense which, as I recall, Weeden once said was like learning Chinese backwards. We know for a fact that one of the problems Osweiler had in Houston was that he never learned the offense well enough to execute the full offense efficiently. I hear that Watson is pretty smart and a quick study. But I just think an extra set of OTAs, spring practices, another off season to refine his fundamentals and then training camp with the first team reps would mean a much better prepared to start Deshaun Watson.

I'm afraid that it is more likely that mob mentality leads to a poor decision.

 

[Brownsfan]

Interesting "brick" technique for shortening the quarterbacks' stride..........seems to have a little more effect so far on Kizer than Brock (the brick head) Osweiler.

Yeah, I would think the existence of a cinder block strategically located might tend to force a shorter stride. But when it isn't there, muscle memory is hard to break, and so I am not too surprised that the youngster would have more success in that respect early. But I think both Osweiler and Kizer have already profited from instruction from a wily old master like Lee. I just hope Hue listens to him.