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Okie - I guess you're a 9 guy then.
I believe that KJa's problems was less related to regression than to his injuries. The early part of the season, he sustained a neck injury which he had to deal with significantly into Oct. As this was easing up for him, the beginning of Oct he sustained a significant hamstring tear which very much affected his play throughout that month. This injury began easing up (but not gone) during Nov, after which in the beginning of Dec, he re-injured it and was limited even more. If this wasn't enough, the end of Dec, he re-injured his neck and dealt with that until the end of the playoffs. Between being limited in accelerating, decelerating and changing direction due to hamstring problem.........and not being able to turn his neck freely (a problem he had his early years, but not due to injuries) would readily explain the appearance of a "regression." He needs some prolonged rest and rehab. My concern is that a hamstring once injured is more likely to be re-injured in another season. And I will also be hoping that his recurrent neck problem is not cervical disc bulging that turns into a chronic symptomatic condition, or worse yet, a rupture requiring surgery sometime in the future.Would you mind giving your opinion on Kareem? I read that he had a hamstring injury among others. He wasn't often listed on your injury reports, but I found his play quite abnormal for chunks of the season. I especially watched him against the Pats, he was hobbled and diving instead of turning ... what don't we know? Or is he just regressing in your opinion?
Not necessarily..............just not even close to a 1 type of guy.Okie - I guess you're a 9 guy then.
I believe that KJa's problems was less related to regression than to his injuries ...
Okie - I guess you're a 9 guy then.
Fair enough - but to further enhance my score, Clowney has already recovered nicely from one microfracture and, do all endoscopys result in them?Not necessarily..............just not even close to a 1 type of guy.
When you perform knee arthroscopies with a short recovery, you are inevitably talking about removing knee cartilage/meniscus/fibrous tissue from the knee joint............tissues removed from the joint surfaces will always contribute to the degeneration of the knee to some extent........knee damage in sports tends to be a cumulative phenomenon. And remember, if a microfracture surgery player can return to play, studies show that the "new" pseudocartilage begins its major degeneration 18 months following the surgery. This upcoming season will be another major test for Clowney. We'll have to see how he does.Okie - I guess you're a 9 guy then.
Fair enough - but to further enhance my score, Clowney has already recovered nicely from one microfracture and, do all endoscopys result in them?
Interesting. Looks like more surgery after next season too then.When you perform knee arthroscopies with a short recovery, you are inevitably talking about removing knee cartilage/meniscus/fibrous tissue from the knee joint............tissues removed from the joint surfaces will always contribute to the degeneration of the knee to some extent........knee damage in sports tends to be a cumulative phenomenon. And remember, if a microfracture surgery player can return to play, studies show that the "new" pseudocartilage begins its major degeneration 18 months following the surgery. This upcoming season will be another major test for Clowney. We'll have to see how he does.
Splitting 100%, how worried are you about Clowney's surgeries (all of them) compared to Watt's? I'm 60% Clowney, 40% Watt. I believe Watt will have more longevity in the league than Clowney. But maybe not much longer. We've talked a lot on this board about getting a franchise QB before the Texans waste through the highly productive careers of those two, especially Watt. I think the Texans already did that.
Agreed. We should be looking to backfill Joseph's, Cushing's, and Duane Brown's positions just due to age.Watt, D Brown, Clowney, Cushing, KJackson and J Joseph concern me. IMO due to injury we should immediately begin to look for replacements. All hopefully will be in 2018 at a reasonable level if not their historical role.
On its surface, a "cleanup" may sound benign. However, probably most fans don't know that Cushing missed more than half of his USC 2005 season after suffering a shoulder dislocation while attempting a tackle. He opted for rehab rather than surgery, which would have led to missing the entire season. However, he missed spring camp in 2006 following giving in to an arthroscopic shoulder procedure. Now I can't help but feel that this recent cleanup is a continuum result of labral/fibrous tissue shoulder joint damage, and that he now again opts for a lesser approach/procedure (one that does not address instability in the joint that is responsible for the progressive damage to the joint) in attempt to avoid losing another NFL season or significant part of the season. This surgery heralds yet another red flag for Cushing being able to tackle securely (specifically when the offensive player does not approach him head on......a problem we are already been seeing since he has such compromised lateral mobility) and staying on the field.Cushing recovering from shoulder "clean up" surgery. I hadn't seen anything on this before.
Surgery Not Considered Serious
Monday, Jan. 30
Cushing described the surgery from two weeks ago as a "clean up," per McClain, who also noted Cushing didn't require surgery for the broken bones he suffered in his lower back but rather required "some rest and rehabilitation."
Injuries were a consistent theme for Cushing throughout the season, who missed two gamesafter he suffered a torn MCL during Week 1 against the Chicago Bears.
Originally, he was expected to miss six weeks, as the MCL didn't require surgery, but he returned in Week 4 against the Tennessee Titans.
I've liked Cush but it's time for him to become an assistant LB coach, hopefully for the Texans.On its surface, a "cleanup" may sound benign. However, probably most fans don't know that Cushing missed more than half of his USC 2005 season after suffering a shoulder dislocation while attempting a tackle. He opted for rehab rather than surgery, which would have led to missing the entire season. Now I can't help but feel that the cleanup is a continuum result of labral/fibrous tissue shoulder joint damage, and that he now again opts for a lesser approach/procedure (one that does not address instability in the joint that is responsible for the progressive damage to the joint) in attempt to avoid losing another NFL season or significant part of the season. This surgery heralds yet another red flag for Cushing being able to tackle securely (specifically when the offensive player does not approach him head on......a problem we are already been seeing since he has such compromised lateral mobility) and staying on the field.
I'm thinking the same thing but I would guess that Brian would give it another spin if he could land for the vet minimum with a real contender after the Texans releaseI've liked Cush but it's time for him to become an assistant LB coach, hopefully for the Texans.
I seriously doubt Cush will play for the vet minimum unless it's in NE and BB can judge players. I don't see that happening.I'm thinking the same thing but I would guess that Brian would give it another spin if he could land for the vet minimum with a real contender after the Texans release
him this off season.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000781642/article/leveon-bell-still-determining-need-for-groin-surgery?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Daround-the-league%3Bteam%3Dpit%3Bconf%3Dafc%3Bdvsn%3Dacn%3Bplyr%3Dleveon_bell&p.ct=Around+the+NFL&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23fff&p.bgc1m=%230964bf&p.bgc2m=%23053a74&sr=amp?client=safari
Doc, what's the long term prognosis for Leveon? I know soft tissue injuries and running backs aren't what you want to hear. What do you think is the issue and the difference between "aggressive rehab" and surgery. I am having flashbacks to Arian. I know this isn't a Texans question but I appreciate Doc's reports.
Either Martin or Mancz at RG should be an improvement over what we saw last season.'When asked if he would be a full go for OTAs, Martin replied: “That’s the plan.”'. His response does not have a real gung ho ring to it but hopefully he will be ready to go and
I'll be curious to see if they put him at guard and let Manz remain at center or if it's vice versa ?
'When asked if he would be a full go for OTAs, Martin replied: “That’s the plan.”'. His response does not have a real gung ho ring to it but hopefully he will be ready to go and
I'll be curious to see if they put him at guard and let Manz remain at center or if it's vice versa ?
Not if his back issue is not totally resolved. If all has gone well after his high ankle surgery, recovery to full strength should take no longer than 6 months (Aug 25 was his surgery date, already 5 months 1week ago, and almost 8 1/2 months to OTAs) .............and there should be no hesitancy to proclaim that he will be a full go for OTAs. As I've said before, I am more concerned about the long term status of his back issue............something that could definitely lead to hesitancy in marking a specific return.Either Martin or Mancz at RG should be an improvement over what we saw last season.
naaah, better to know now than be unpleasantly surprised later.Doc, it's February. Can you wait until May or June to go crapping all over my heart? Thanks in advance.
The Texans were careful to gloss over giving any details of Martin's back injury, especially since it was overshadowed by his ankle surgery which occurred almost immediately upon his return to play. In that game, he played "weak" without push, a sign that would be consistent with severe back muscle strain............or lumbar disc herniation. The history of the Texans' approach to handling of so many previous player injuries have made me very guarded in taking in the official injury company line.Doc, what was Martin's back injury characterized as initially? You now have me worried considering they waited until July to operate on JJ last season.... hopefully they have learned something from the handling off JJ but I am not confident.
Although his injury was reported as a fractured hand, specifically it was a left wrist bone fracture. And the most common wrist bone fractured in football is the scaphoid (sometimes referred to as the navicular) bone............the same fractured bone that Cushing played with the end of 2014 and went on to undergo as one of his surgeries after the season was completed.
that I wrote re. Cushing's injury should act as a good review for you.
For those interested, this post and some posts following it that I wrote re. Cushing's injury should act as a good review for you.
Apparently, Kevin Johnson recently underwent foot surgery. Up until then, the medical staff was putting him through a rehab program to encourage the fracture to heal conservatively. It didn't heal and the Jones fracture of the same foot that he initially sustained the Jones fracture during his rookie season and subsequently underwent surgery for, also required surgery. The delay in surgery is a little curious, as most Jones re-fractures do not heal primarily and, and especially in an elite athlete, require additional surgery (replacement of the repair screw with a larger screw). Unless he again fractures the foot, he would be expected to be ready for the offseason workouts.
As all of us, I wish Newton the best............but to headline that "he's doing great" could be just a little misleading.............he may be realistically doing great towards getting back to walking normal to the water cooler again.........not so much to getting his football career back on track.
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought we were hoping that after surgeries Newton would be able to function in his daily life now that football was long gone. The idea that he has a chance to return to football ... are people that ignorant or did I miss something?
The Texans, though , may not escape additional salary cap adds. If Newton is placed on IR, he will be paid............if they try to waive injured him, they will need to pay an injury settlement which is based on how long it will take him to heal and return play...........which could be never..........and nevertheless potentially very expensive.
The potential for injury settlement negotiations could very well explain why the team is putting out so much regarding him doing "great".......with the unrealistic possibility of returning later this year
He should have been "ready" 6 months from his last surgery. The Texans reluctance to commit him to a time table tells me that they are concerned about what will happen after decent period of full contact (which will not be tested until the regular season). Even under the best scenario, he is unlikely to be able to perform at the same level as he was known for pre injuries. Rehabbing and waiting for truly testing his core a full year following his last surgery is still unlikely to lessen concerns.Hey Dagger.. I'm lazy, and don't want to search for what I'm sure you've covered somewhere in this thread but how's our boy JJ and when shall he be ready?
So realistically Doc, if JJ goes "balls out," like he used to play, how long do you think he has to play before he has another break? Also, if he did play with his "foot off the gas," so to speak, is it likely he would be able to avoid injury to his back and extent his career any longer, or is it all just a matter of he could injure it at anytime regardless of how hard he plays?
Again, I can't and won't even attempt to predict what all the different scenarios exist for the extent of his career path...........or those things he can do to try to preserve his health............or those things he can do to try to avoid injury. Those of you who have ever had a significant structural low back problem (which Watt certainly qualifies for after 2 microdiscectomies, not to even mention his other core problems) know that it doesn't take brutal football contact or contortionist moves to touch off a major debilitating event..................a simple gentle bend, a simple exit from a bed, a simple jar going down stairs, a sneeze...........and sometimes, a WTF happened, I don't even know what I did to end up crippled again. All I can tell you is that especially in a tall massive player like Watt, whether he plays DE or OLB, each down he plays will be its own little crap shoot.
This is most likely a Jones fracture. They will try to treat it with conservative rehab alone. It would not surprise me that it is just a matter of time that you see him go through what Edelman, Dez, Sammy and KJo have gone through.Hey Doc is there any information you can share about D'onta Foreman's foot stress fracture discovered at the Combine medicals?
This is most likely a Jones fracture. They will try to treat it with conservative rehab alone. It would not surprise me that it is just a matter of time that you see him go through what Edelman, Dez, Sammy and KJo have gone through.
4-5th rd pick
Sad because this guy has the talent to be great.
I would love it if we could get him in the 4th
You would have to accept a KJo type beginning to his career.
I would be more than willing to wait for a guy like Foreman if I could get him in the 4th. You can bet Ricky McNair wont be willing to wait though.
I would be hopeful of that except for the fact that they never have. A list of college injuries that reaches across the river and into the trees seems to attract them like a magnet. Don't expect that to change.I'm hopeful Texans will stay away from players with history injuries; it's bad enough when our roster guys get hurt.
After proper treatment - as in not 'playing through it' - didn't most of these guys return to form??D'Onta Foreman was held out of the Combine activities with what was discovered during medical exam as a "slight stress fracture of the foot." Although he was not aware of it, it nonetheless makes it a worrisome injury. The name "stress fracture" in itself seems like a minor fracture, although they can carry some of the same risks as a complete fracture.....and certainly can extend to one quickly in the future. Jones fractures can temporarily hold up through relatively short period of playing on them, but will invariably require surgery. In an elite athlete, non surgical treatment is seldom ever pursued......especially when it comes to a large powerful RB who pushes off hard every play. I doubt that I have to bring up the plight of other elite NFL players which were blessed the likes of this injury.............i.e., Dez Bryant, Julian Edelman, Julio Jones, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Lawrence, Marvin Jones.............
I was going to ask you about this, once I heard the news. Another miscalculation by the Texan's "medical" staff.D'Onta Foreman was held out of the Combine activities with what was discovered during medical exam as a "slight stress fracture of the foot." Although he was not aware of it, it nonetheless makes it a worrisome injury. The name "stress fracture" in itself seems like a minor fracture, although they can carry some of the same risks as a complete fracture.....and certainly can extend to one quickly in the future. Jones fractures can temporarily hold up through relatively short period of playing on them, but will invariably require surgery. In an elite athlete, non surgical treatment is seldom ever pursued......especially when it comes to a large powerful RB who pushes off hard every play. I doubt that I have to bring up the plight of other elite NFL players which were blessed the likes of this injury.............i.e., Dez Bryant, Julian Edelman, Julio Jones, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Lawrence, Marvin Jones.............
Pretty much so............except as not uncommonly occurs, they required 2 widely staggered operations and significant loss of playing time to get to that point........just like our very own Kevin Johnson. The first surgery requires the placement of a screw, the second usually requires the placement of a larger screw with bone grafting to stabilize the fracture site. Each of these surgeries require an 8-12 week rehab. In the case of a 300+ pounder, the post surgical course becomes less predictable, as does the long term effect on performance/career.After proper treatment - as in not 'playing through it' - didn't most of these guys return to form??