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I could have had a V-8

Interesting, your write up would make him seem a no brainier top 10 pick and yet here he is on day 3. High water mark of 308 yards this year? Hmm I guess.

I'm assuming you like him more than Watson?

Not a no brainer top 10 pick, just better than all the flaws you pointed out. But he's no sure thing and he's certainly in need of tuning up for the league.

As for his yardage, he was running a particular offense. Would you want to anoint Mahomes the no brainer number 1 overall pick because of his output?

And I have him (Peterman) roughly neck and neck with Watson. Value wise I would've taken an immediate impact player (Ramczyk, Robinson, Peppers, etc) in the first and been content as could be to take Peterman later and felt I got the absolute most bang for my buck. And I say that not terribly upset with Watson, as I rather like him. Just didn't think the cost was entirely reasonable.

As with many, Peterman was my guy in the late second. Now that he's fallen all the way to the 4th in a slide like AJ McCarron, do you double dip at the QB position if he's still there when we pick? I think that I would. Weeden is never going to be anything, drop him and add Peterman to the roster.

No thanks to the double dipping. I want to load up as much talent as I can right now in hopes of preparing Watson for success.
 
Actually just hearing that John Lynch was trying to trade up in to the 20s for Rueben Foster. He was afraid Saints were trying to do the same. Payton confirmed Saints would've taken Foster if he was on the board. I would have traded back.

Texans trade their 1st RD, 25th pick and their 3rd RD, 89th pick to the San Francisco 49ers for their 2nd RD. 34th pick, 3rd RD. 66th pick and 4th RD. 109th pick.

RD2 (34) - Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama
RD2 (57) - Nathan Peterman, QB Pittsburgh
RD3 (66) - D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas

That's all tonight. See you tomorrow. 3 picks in RD 4 tomorrow in my V8 Draft.

With the 109th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Jumaine Eluemunor, OL, Texas A&M

RD 4 (109) Jumaine Eluemunor, OG/OT, Texas A&M
RD 4 (130)
RD 4 (142)
 
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Oh okay I get it now Peterman makes the most sense because he's a Erhardt-Perkins QB gotcha
 
With the 130th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Xavier Woods, S, LA Tech

With the 140th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Nate Hairston, CB, Temple

RD 4 (109) Jumaine Eluemunor, OG/OT, Texas A&M
RD 4 (130) Xavier Woods, S, LA Tech
RD 4 (142) Nate Hairston, CB, Temple
 
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Currently at ...

1.25 - Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
2.57 - Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
3.89 - Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech
4.130 - Anthony Walker Jr., LB, Northwestern
 
Davenport. Check out his size: on my mock. A huge pick I may have awaken neighborhood yelling
 
Currently at ...

1.25 - Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
2.57 - Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
3.89 - Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech
4.130 - Anthony Walker Jr., LB, Northwestern
4.142 - Desmond King, S, Iowa
 
With the 130th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Xavier Woods, S, LA Tech

With the 169th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Nate Hairston, CB, Temple

RD 4 (109) Jumaine Eluemunor, OG/OT, Texas A&M
RD 4 (130) Xavier Woods, S, LA Tech
RD 4 (142) Nate Hairston, CB, Temple

With the 169th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Chad Kelly,QB, Ole Miss

RD 5 (169) Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss
 
With the 169th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Chad Kelly,QB, Ole Miss

RD 5 (169) Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss
You do know that Chad Kelly is damaged goods, right?
ACL surgery (his 2nd) and recent wrist ligament surgery.


The NFLN guys said he may not be able to throw again - at all - until after OTAs and training camp.


You already picked up your 'project QB' in Peterman, why not use that pick to help out the defense?
 
You do know that Chad Kelly is damaged goods, right?
ACL surgery (his 2nd) and recent wrist ligament surgery.


The NFLN guys said he may not be able to throw again - at all - until after OTAs and training camp.


You already picked up your 'project QB' in Peterman, why not use that pick to help out the defense?
You put him on IR for 2017 and when he's not rehabbing he's going to anger management classes. 2018 he's ready to go and with your next to last pick in the draft you get what the NFL guys say could be a Top 50 pick in the draft.

When you have been in QB hell as long as the Texans you make it a top priority to get out and why you double dip. If Peterman works out you may one day in 2 or 3 years get a day 1 or day 2 draft pick for Kelly. OR If Peterman doesn't workout then Kelly may. Thinking ahead!
 
You put him on IR for 2017 and when he's not rehabbing he's going to anger management classes. 2018 he's ready to go and with your next to last pick in the draft you get what the NFL guys say could be a Top 50 pick in the draft.

When you have been in QB hell as long as the Texans you make it a top priority to get out and why you double dip. If Peterman works out you may one day in 2 or 3 years get a day 1 or day 2 draft pick for Kelly. OR If Peterman doesn't workout then Kelly may. Thinking ahead!
Fair enough
 
With the 169th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Chad Kelly,QB, Ole Miss

RD 5 (169) Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss
With the 249th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Khalid Abdullah, RB James Madison

RD 2 (34) Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
RD 2 (57) Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
RD 3 (66) D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
RD 4 (109) Jermaine Eluemunor, OG/OT, Texas A&M
RD 4 (130) Xavier Woods, S, LA Tech
RD 4 (142) Nate Hairston, CB, Temple
RD 5 (169) Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss
RD 7 (249) Khalid Abdullah, RB, James Madison
 
With the 249th pick in my V8 2017 draft the Houston Texans select: Khalid Abdullah, RB James Madison

RD 2 (34) Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
RD 2 (57) Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
RD 3 (66) D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
RD 4 (109) Jermaine Eluemunor, OG/OT, Texas A&M
RD 4 (130) Xavier Woods, S, LA Tech
RD 4 (142) Nate Hairston, CB, Temple
RD 5 (169) Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss
RD 7 (249) Khalid Abdullah, RB, James Madison
This makes me very happy that Rick Smith is the Texans GM. Or Bob, or BO'B, or Cal whoever is the real Texans GM.

Although I am looking forward to your explanations of why taking Foreman at 66 is a brillant move, but taking him at 89 was a desperate reach by a group of incompetent bozos.
 
My v8 would be

1 (no trade) - Jabrill Peppers - SS
2 - Jordan Willis - OLB
3 - Jourdan Lewis - CB
4 - George Kittle - TE
4 - Anthony Walker - ILB
5 - Elijah Qualls - NT
7 - Alek Torgerson - QB

UFA - Max Rich - OT
UFA - Dan Skipper - OT
UFA - Storm Norton - OT
 
My cherry pick:

1: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
My fave player in draft, can't believe we got him.
2: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
Didn't really know him before we drafted him, been sold on him
3: John Johnson, S, Boston College
Really need a safety upgrade
4: Julien Davenport, OT, Bucknell
OL needs some loving
4: Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida St
See above
5: DJ Jones, DT, Mississippi
Need some line cover
7: Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame
See above
 
kiwi Jarron Jones at 7 would have been okay but there was concern mentioned about his desire to play football in NFL and many injuries.
 
I'll play. Before I start, I'll mention that I'm totally content with the way our draft went down.

1.25 - Zach Cunningham - LB, Vanderbilt (Love the player. In hindsight, would try to move back a bit and regain pick for next year.)

2.57 - Chidobe Awuzie - CB, Colorado (Push Jackson to S. Play in the slot this year. Move outside next year when Joseph walks.)

3.89 - D'Onta Foreman - RB, Texas (Love it.)

4.130 - Julie'n Davenport - OT, Bucknell (Love it.)

4.142 - Nathan Peterman - QB, Pittsburgh (High floor. Trevor Siemien at worst. Total package without flashy or elite physical skill set. Love intelligence, accuracy, and intangibles. Criticism is understandable. Going on gut.)

5.169 - Bucky Hodges - TE, Virginia Tech (I don't get it. Can't block, but neither can Jimmy Graham. Elite potential.)

7.243 - Eric Wilson - ILB, Cincinnati (Developmental WILL to pair with Cunningham and McKinney.)
 
I spent the weekend at a buddy's wedding, so I was unable to watch the draft live, and am only now really catching up on who went where and when. I'll do the V8 thing, but first, I think I'll write down some of my thoughts/reactions.

First Round- I hate the Watson trade up. I don't even like Watson had we stayed at 25, I certainly hate him at 12. I know people are excited to have a potential franchise QB (1st round QBs are so exciting!!!!!), but I dont think Watson is that guy. I think his accuracy is over-inflated because of the system he was in at Clemson, and I am concerned about his arm strength. You have to be good at both, and I am afraid that Watson is not (yet?) NFL ready at either. Add in some reservations about his reads, and I am just not a fan. I sincerely hope that I am wrong. He seems like a great young man, a great leader, and I wish him and the Texans the best here. But... like I said, I wouldn't have taken him at 25, let alone spending the extra 1st to move up to 12. However, you have to give the FO so credit- they identified their guy and then went out to get him. If their evaluation is correct, it will look like a great move.

Second Round- I love, love, love Cunningham. Like several others here, I would have been stoked to get him at 25- to see him drop to the late 2nd is incredible. Now, he isn't a thumper, so people need to be realistic in what we are getting. He also isn't a pure coverage 'backer, though I think he is certainly above average in that regard. He is, however, great at finding the ball carrier. His read and react skills are top notch, and his athleticism is incredible. Again, I love this pick.

Third Round- Meh. I like the player, but I would have gone with another position. I think Foreman has nice potential, and I rather like the fact that he had relatively few carries in college. I'd like to see him use his size more, but as it stands now, he should still be an excellent partner for Miller. Don't expect much in the passing game, though.

Fourth round- Well, Davenport likely has the highest upside among the tackles available at this pick. I like the pick, and in the context of the Texans draft I would give it an A... but I wish the Texans had used a pick on OT earlier, so this pick wouldn't be necessary. Although.. looking at the draft, perhaps there really wasn't a better time to take an OT. I like Watkins; I dont see a star or anything, but I see him being a valuable member of a DL rotation.

Fifth Round- I honestly don't know much about Decoud. Seems like a safety to me, maybe a guy who comes in and focuses on athletic TEs. I cant I like the position, but like with Davenport (although more so, because I do see a spot to take a safety earlier), I wish a safety was taken earlier, making this pick unnecessary.

Seventh Round- Depth interior lineman, can't complain. I dont know if he actually makes the roster this year (or ever, really), but it is a 7th round pick at a position we could use some depth at.

All in all, I would give this draft a B/B-. The draft got off to an awful start in my opinion, but then the Cunningham pick really turned it around for me. Foreman is a meh pick based solely on position, Davenport, Watkins and Decoud are small pluses, and Fuller is neither good nor bad. The Watson pick and the surrounding trade just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and keeps me from really enjoying the draft class. And since your first (or in this case, 2 firsts) has to be the headliner of your draft, I cant justify anything more than a B here.

Now, as for the V8 thing-

I'll do this as an exercise not in hindsight, but rather who I would have taken at each spot based on my player grades. To start off, I would not have done the trade up.

1.25- Zach Cunningham. The dude is a stud, simple as that.
2.57- Dion Dawkins. I have him as a mid second kind of guy, so I am pretty thrilled he is available.
3.89- John Johnson.
4.130- Nathan Peterman. Looking back it is early, but I would have given him a shot.
4.142- Jake Butt.
5.169- Chase Roullier.
7.243- Jarron Jones

Anyway, on to the season. And, of course, next year's draft. Though with no first or second rounders... we better hope the Texans hit on their most recent picks.
 
Actually just hearing that John Lynch was trying to trade up in to the 20s for Rueben Foster. He was afraid Saints were trying to do the same. Payton confirmed Saints would've taken Foster if he was on the board. I would have traded back.

Texans trade their 1st RD, 25th pick and their 3rd RD, 89th pick to the San Francisco 49ers for their 2nd RD. 34th pick, 3rd RD. 66th pick and 4th RD. 109th pick.

Marathe asked: “What if Foster falls, free falls, and he's sitting there at 25?”

“To me, that's easy,” said Shanahan. “Get him.”

“He's not getting past Cincy [with the ninth pick in the first round], though,” Lynch said.

“I think he is getting past Cincy,” Shanahan said. “I don't think he's getting past [Ravens GM] Ozzie [Newsome at 16].”

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/01/...aft-room-bears-trade-reuben-foster-peter-king
 
This makes me very happy that Rick Smith is the Texans GM. Or Bob, or BO'B, or Cal whoever is the real Texans GM.

Although I am looking forward to your explanations of why taking Foreman at 66 is a brillant move, but taking him at 89 was a desperate reach by a group of incompetent bozos.

My draft added (2) potential Pro Bowl O lineman, 2 QBs. Rick Smith's draft added 1 QB. My draft solidified the right side of O line. Something that will improve QB and RB play immensely. Right now you still have a BIG Fat Goose EGG at RT and a Weak Link at RG.

If you target a player in the 3rd RD and you only have 1 pick in that RD it doesn't matter whether it be #66 or #89. Basic logic! (vs Fuzzy Logic?) Very good chance he won't be there with you next pick. If you don't understand that you will be comfortable with average and ordinary for a very long time.
 
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My v8 would be

1 (no trade) -Foster, Reuben LB 6'0" 229 Alabama
2 -Basham, Tarell DE 6'4" 269 Ohio
3 -Perine, Samaje RB 5'11" 233 Oklahoma
4 -Switzer, Ryan WR 5'8" 181 North Carolina
4 -King, Desmond S 5'10" 201 Iowa
5 -Peterman, Nathan QB 6'2" 226 Pittsburg
7 -Kelly, Chad QB 6'2" 224 Mississippi

UFA - Dan Skipper - OT
FA -Austin Pasztor - OT
FA - Gary Barnidge - TE
 
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My draft added (2) potential Pro Bowl O lineman, 2 QBs. Rick Smith's draft added 1 QB. My draft solidified the right side of O line. Something that will improve QB and RB play immensely. Right now you still have a BIG Fat Goose EGG at RT and a Weak Link at RG.

If you target a player in the 3rd RD and you only have 1 pick in that RD it doesn't matter whether it be #66 or #89. Basic logic! (vs Fuzzy Logic?) Very good chance he won't be there with you next pick. If you don't understand that you will be comfortable with average and ordinary for a very long time.
Let's take a realistic look. End of 7th round, meh, practice squad or IR stash so call that a tie (although more spots available for OL than RB, so you are getting a break here). Davenport vs Eluemunor & Decoud vs Woods & Watkins vs Hairston - again I will give you a break and call these ties. OT vs OG, S vs S, and DL depth vs DB depth - again generous to you to call these ties since all your guys stayed on the board at least a half round longer in, you know, the actual NFL draft.

I would also call Foreman a tie. I was being humorous pointing out that the Texans - who you seem to think have screwed up EVERY DRAFT PICK EVER - got the same guy 23 picks later. (My apologies for forgetting about your humor inpairment.) I agree you have to take your guy if you think he will not last until your next pick. Or you might even need to trade away a future 1st round pick if you think he won't last until pick #25.

But it does reflect a poor job of getting value in your trade. You would have been better served in getting SF's pick 146 instead of swapping 89 for 66, especially since most of the players you wanted were 5th round or later guys. When you grab 4 guys 50 picks or more earlier than needed seems like what you accuse Rick Smith of - panicking and reaching.

Let's assess the potential upside and the probable expectations for the players that I am not generously giving you a tie. (The downsize for any player is always complete bust.) D. Watson - upside: above average QB for 10+ years, reasonable: average QB for 5-10 years. Z. Cunningham - upside: HOF, reasonable: above average LB for 5-10 years. C. Robinson - upside: average RT, reasonable: below average RT. N. Peterman - upside: below average backup QB, reasonable: Clipboard holder. C. Kelly - upside: IR then Clipboard holder, reasonable: IR then prison.

If the Rick picks only reach reasonable expectations and all of yours hit their upside, then the question for Internet GMs is: would you trade a late 1st round pick next year + an average RT + a backup QB + a Clipboard holder for an average QB + an above average LB? Anyone not blinded by crazy hatred would jump on that deal.
 
Let's take a realistic look. End of 7th round, meh, practice squad or IR stash so call that a tie (although more spots available for OL than RB, so you are getting a break here). Davenport vs Eluemunor & Decoud vs Woods & Watkins vs Hairston - again I will give you a break and call these ties. OT vs OG, S vs S, and DL depth vs DB depth - again generous to you to call these ties since all your guys stayed on the board at least a half round longer in, you know, the actual NFL draft.

I would also call Foreman a tie. I was being humorous pointing out that the Texans - who you seem to think have screwed up EVERY DRAFT PICK EVER - got the same guy 23 picks later. (My apologies for forgetting about your humor inpairment.) I agree you have to take your guy if you think he will not last until your next pick. Or you might even need to trade away a future 1st round pick if you think he won't last until pick #25.

But it does reflect a poor job of getting value in your trade. You would have been better served in getting SF's pick 146 instead of swapping 89 for 66, especially since most of the players you wanted were 5th round or later guys. When you grab 4 guys 50 picks or more earlier than needed seems like what you accuse Rick Smith of - panicking and reaching.

Let's assess the potential upside and the probable expectations for the players that I am not generously giving you a tie. (The downsize for any player is always complete bust.) D. Watson - upside: above average QB for 10+ years, reasonable: average QB for 5-10 years. Z. Cunningham - upside: HOF, reasonable: above average LB for 5-10 years. C. Robinson - upside: average RT, reasonable: below average RT. N. Peterman - upside: below average backup QB, reasonable: Clipboard holder. C. Kelly - upside: IR then Clipboard holder, reasonable: IR then prison.

If the Rick picks only reach reasonable expectations and all of yours hit their upside, then the question for Internet GMs is: would you trade a late 1st round pick next year + an average RT + a backup QB + a Clipboard holder for an average QB + an above average LB? Anyone not blinded by crazy hatred would jump on that deal.

May be a record for the most assumptions in one post. Man that's a lot of jibber jabber.
 
May be a record for the most assumptions in one post. Man that's a lot of jibber jabber.
LOL, your usual thoughtful analysis. Anything you can't grasp is jibber jabber. Although I think the record for assumptions was the guy who claimed that the pile of 5th rounders (starting at pick 57) he took in his V8 draft were potential Pro Bowlers...
 
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