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RT... who you looking at & when?

thunderkyss

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I really haven't gotten into this draft. But just wondering... who are the top targets for RT?

Do you look at any of these guys with the thought that maybe they'll develop into a LT?

& are you thinking we'll have to get a guy in the first round?
 
Round 1 Targets
Garrett Bolles, Utah
Cam Robinson, Alabama
Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin

Round 2 Targets (Trade Up)
Dion Dawkins, Temple
Taylor Moton, Western Michigan

Round 2 Targets (Stay Pat)
Roderick Johnson, Florida State
Antonio Garcia, Troy

Round 3 Targets
Will Holden, Vanderbilt
Julie'n Davenport, Bucnkell
Adam Bisnowaty, Pittsburgh
 
WolverineFan said:
Round 1 Targets
Garrett Bolles, Utah
Cam Robinson, Alabama
Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin

Round 2 Targets (Trade Up)
Dion Dawkins, Temple
Taylor Moton, Western Michigan

Round 2 Targets (Stay Pat)
Roderick Johnson, Florida State
Antonio Garcia, Troy

Round 3 Targets
Will Holden, Vanderbilt
Julie'n Davenport, Bucnkell
Adam Bisnowaty, Pittsburgh
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Oh my... wasn't expecting so many names. "They" are saying it's a weak OL draft.

Are these all projected RTs? Any of them may develop into LTs?
 
thunderkyss said:
Oh my... wasn't expecting so many names. "They" are saying it's a weak OL draft.

Are these all projected RTs? Any of them may develop into LTs?
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I think Bolles and Dawkins are day-one LT's. I think Robinson, Johnson, and Davenport are guys who can develop as LT's but would be better at RT.

The "they" saying it's a weak OL draft are people who aren't being specific with their criticism. This is a weak OL draft as far as franchise LT's go. That's mainly what they are referring to but they aren't specific about their complaints.

Usually we see a LT go top 5, another 1-2 go top 20, and end up with 4-6 OT going 1st round. This draft isn't going to have that so it is referred to as "weak". Weak doesn't mean no depth or no good players, it just means lack of elite prospects.
 
Think Cam would struggle playing right side, he is left handed, left side dominant & played LT position since he started as a freshman @ Alabama.
He has proven he is a LT against the very best in SEC and won the Outland.

His body, technique is built for the left side and left side only. Not going to put words in Mayock's mouth but believe he thinks Robinson has Pro Bowl LG ability, so that could be option too, just not one I share. I mean why draft high end talent then move them from their natural playing position?
 
Not buying the left-handed side-dependant theory. He's not being asked to do small joint independent intricate movement, and he's got a reasonable amount of time to adjust.

And not insisting you have to give a rip about my thoughts on it, just throwing down a couple cents.
 
beerlover said:
Think Cam would struggle playing right side, he is left handed, left side dominant & played LT position since he started as a freshman @ Alabama.
He has proven he is a LT against the very best in SEC and won the Outland.

His body, technique is built for the left side and left side only. Not going to put words in Mayock's mouth but believe he thinks Robinson has Pro Bowl LG ability, so that could be option too, just not one I share. I mean why draft high end talent then move them from their natural playing position?
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When the high end talent has a video released of them smoking a bong while wearing a gas mask minutes before the draft you gotta get creative...

-Dolphins
 
Mollywhopper said:
Not buying the left-handed side-dependant theory. He's not being asked to do small joint independent intricate movement, and he's got a reasonable amount of time to adjust.

And not insisting you have to give a rip about my thoughts on it, just throwing down a couple cents.
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no problems just why draft a guy this high in the draft and takeaway developed strengths, not to mention LT's make the bank & considered franchise, would incentivize him keeping that position.
 
beerlover said:
no problems just why draft a guy this high in the draft and takeaway developed strengths, not to mention LT's make the bank & considered franchise, would incentivize him keeping that position.
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He has well documented concerns about his ability to handle specialized edge rushers from that side. This isn't revelatory to you I'm sure.
 
Mollywhopper said:
He has well documented concerns about his ability to handle specialized edge rushers from that side. This isn't revelatory to you I'm sure.
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He has some defiencies (recovery & natural bender) but those would only be enhanced on the right side. Just as example, kick slide left is groomed, not to right or his weekside & reason for Moton in 2nd.
 
beerlover said:
He has some defiencies (recovery & natural bender) but those would only be enhanced on the right side. Just as example, kick slide left is groomed, not to right or his weekside & reason for Moton in 2nd.
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They wouldn't be nearly as enhanced against less proficient edge rushers from the right side, all the while being perfectly capable of learning to play from that side. It ain't learning mandarin.
 
beerlover said:
Think Cam would struggle playing right side, he is left handed, left side dominant & played LT position since he started as a freshman @ Alabama.
He has proven he is a LT against the very best in SEC and won the Outland.

His body, technique is built for the left side and left side only. Not going to put words in Mayock's mouth but believe he thinks Robinson has Pro Bowl LG ability, so that could be option too, just not one I share. I mean why draft high end talent then move them from their natural playing position?
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Guys like Greg Robinson, DJ Fluker, and Luke Joeckel did the same thing against the best competition and have had to move to guard in the NFL. It's a completely different beast, the rise in the level of athleticism, size and speed at the pro level is tremendous. There are lots of guys who were dominant LT's in college that cannot make the jump at the same position. You have to be a dancing bear at LT, have strength but still be incredibly nimble. Robinson doesn't seem to have the feet and quickness to be on the blind side, sure he wants to be an LT, but lots of scouts and observers think it will be difficult and that he is a better fit at RT or even inside.


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I thought Holden's performance was outstanding at "The Bridge on the river Kwai". Gosh, sorry bout that. You younger guys probably never heard of it but it's a real blast from the past, you know the kind they don't make anymore. And they really don't make'm like that anymore.
 
IDEXAN said:
I thought Holden's performance was outstanding at "The Bridge on the river Kwai". Gosh, sorry bout that. You younger guys probably never heard of it but it's a real blast from the past, you know the kind they don't make anymore. And they really don't make'm like that anymore.
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"Madness ......Madness!"
 
jradMIT said:
Guys like Greg Robinson, DJ Fluker, and Luke Joeckel did the same thing against the best competition and have had to move to guard in the NFL. It's a completely different beast, the rise in the level of athleticism, size and speed at the pro level is tremendous. There are lots of guys who were dominant LT's in college that cannot make the jump at the same position. You have to be a dancing bear at LT, have strength but still be incredibly nimble. Robinson doesn't seem to have the feet and quickness to be on the blind side, sure he wants to be an LT, but lots of scouts and observers think it will be difficult and that he is a better fit at RT or even inside.


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My bet is inside. At least for a couple of years.
 
WolverineFan said:
Round 1 Targets
Garrett Bolles, Utah
Cam Robinson, Alabama
Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin

Round 2 Targets (Trade Up)
Dion Dawkins, Temple
Taylor Moton, Western Michigan

Round 2 Targets (Stay Pat)
Roderick Johnson, Florida State
Antonio Garcia, Troy

Round 3 Targets
Will Holden, Vanderbilt
Julie'n Davenport, Bucnkell
Adam Bisnowaty, Pittsburgh
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Assuming your three first rounders are off the board, at 1-25 we have our pick of the second tier. I agree like Dawkins and Moton and agree they won't be there at 2-57. But I'm still addressing our number one priority (other than QB) with my first pick. I would look to trade down with 1-25, rather than missing out by not being able to trade up from 2-57.
 
Number19 said:
Assuming your three first rounders are off the board, at 1-25 we have our pick of the second tier. I agree like Dawkins and Moton and agree they won't be there at 2-57. But I'm still addressing our number one priority (other than QB) with my first pick. I would look to trade down with 1-25, rather than missing out by not being able to trade up from 2-57.
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If the QB you want is there @ 25 you pick him. If you really want an OT you trade back up for him. No need to get cute if you think you've identified a franchise QB. Your philosophy is how Ricky McNair missed out on Jimmy G.
 
Number19 said:
Assuming your three first rounders are off the board, at 1-25 we have our pick of the second tier. I agree like Dawkins and Moton and agree they won't be there at 2-57. But I'm still addressing our number one priority (other than QB) with my first pick. I would look to trade down with 1-25, rather than missing out by not being able to trade up from 2-57.
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If the 3 OT's are off the board then I'm taking a QB in the 1st so I can get that 5th year option and then I'm using my next pick on an OT.
 
I'm continuing to stand out on my limb. I'd go into training camp with Savage and Weeden and a two way competition for the starting position.

I'd draft a QB on the third day. Maybe wait and sign an UDFA. Maybe Kelly. This player would be stashed on the PS and I'd go into the season with two QB's.

I'd look to the 2018 draft for my QB if Savage or Weeden fall short. Regardless, one or the other would be gone and we'd resign one. We would still have to draft another third QB in 2018.

Bottom line, I think Savage or Weeden will give us improved QB play over last year and the Texans will win the division again.
 
I'm not going to start a mock for this because it's regarding strategy more than specific picks -- so this seems as good a place to put this as any as it pertains to our first round pick and OT. I stated this earlier but have had a chance to study it some more and it seems like a trade down may make sense this year – pick 25 down to say 35 (or thereabouts). This should net us a mid 3rd round pick (pick 3.20 on the trade chart with the trade down to 35 example) and would give us 6 picks in the sweet spot of the draft – first 4 rounds. I think it would fall like this:

Pick 35 (2.3) OT, QB -- Take a risk that Ramczyk, Bolles or Robinson fall to you here (Robinson seems the only potential candidate). If none of them make it here, you hope Mahomes has slipped. If he's gone, take Kizer and if you like Peterman better than Kizer then wait on qb and reach with your pick and select Moton or Dawkins here.

Pick 2.25 QB, OT -- can’t afford to wait past the 2nd for your guy so take Peterman, Webb or someone that's slipped like Kizer. Or if you've already picked qb at 2.3, then you're in the same position you would have been had you not traded back -- select Moton/Dawkins.

Or, you feel as good about Peterman as any of the other qb prospects and take him at 2.3 -- you get the qb you were targeting all along and you are right where you were before the trade but have added a 3rd.

It seems as though worst case scenario would be Peterman and Moton or Dawkins and an extra 3rd round pick. Best case is someone slides and you do better than this. I'd be willing to take the risk.
 
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My plan for RT would be one of the following in the 2nd round, Dion Dawkins, Taylor Moton, or Roderick Johnson. I think any of them would be able to start in game 1. I just hope the Texans have put the same level of importance on the position as everyone here has.
 
Wolf6151 said:
My plan for RT would be one of the following in the 2nd round, Dion Dawkins, Taylor Moton, or Roderick Johnson. I think any of them would be able to start in game 1. I just hope the Texans have put the same level of importance on the position as everyone here has.
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I'm afraid Dawkins and Moton will be gone by 2-57, requiring a trade up. Same for Peterman.

I'm sticking with my position of going into the season with Savage and Weeden as one-two. But it looks like the organization is committed to a QB early. If that is the case, then Perterson is the only QB I really like as being the most pro-ready and most likely to quickly pick up our system.

I'm going to target Dawkins or Moton with our first pick, and depending on the situation, see if a trade down is viable. I'd then try to use this trade down to then trade up from 2-57 to get Peterman with our second selection.
 
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Number19 said:
I'm afraid Dawkins and Moton will be gone by 2-57, requiring a trade up. Same for Peterson.

I'm sticking with my position of going into the season with Savage and Weeden as one-two. But it looks like the organization is committed to a QB early. If that is the case, then Perterson is the only QB I really like as being the most pro-ready and most likely to quickly pick up our system.

I'm going to target Dawkins or Moton with our first pick, and depending on the situation, see if a trade down is viable. I'd then try to use this trade down to then trade up from 2-57 to get Peterson with our second selection.
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Do you mean Peterman the Pitt QB?
 
I'm still of the mind that the Texans might actually pass on Bolles, Robinson, & Ramczyk if one or more of them are on their first round Board. The Wisconson OT has lingering injury questions as does Bolles and Bolles also along with Robinson have off field characters issues. In other words none of these guys are "safe" prospects.
Forrest Lamp appears to be a safe and solid Oline prospect but he's basically an inside guy who lacks the length and athleticism by most accounts to be a solid tackle prospect.
Therefor I'm thinking if the Texans don't use their top pick on a QB which is probably unlikely they will therefor go with a defensive player in the first which is a smart move because that's the strength of this Draft.
 
IDEXAN said:
Therefor I'm thinking if the Texans don't use their top pick on a QB which is probably unlikely they will therefor go with a defensive player in the first which is a smart move because that's the strength of this Draft.
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It is, and you can make a case that they will have to win on defense. But, any o-line picks that could enhance to running game makes sense in that vein. Defense and ball control. It ain't fun to watch, but it's the Texans way.
 
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IDEXAN said:
I'm still of the mind that the Texans might actually pass on Bolles, Robinson, & Ramczyk if one or more of them are on their first round Board. The Wisconson OT has lingering injury questions as does Bolles and Bolles also along with Robinson have off field characters issues. In other words none of these guys are "safe" prospects.
Forrest Lamp appears to be a safe and solid Oline prospect but he's basically an inside guy who lacks the length and athleticism by most accounts to be a solid tackle prospect.
Therefor I'm thinking if the Texans don't use their top pick on a QB which is probably unlikely they will therefor go with a defensive player in the first which is a smart move because that's the strength of this Draft.
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I guess I'm thinking the other way. To me it looks like they will go for a QB in the 1st rd if their guy is there. If not, then you may see them go for OT. If both QB and OT are gone then I think they will go defense.

The last time there was this many good defensive players on the board was in 2011 when the Texans picked Watt. That was also the year it was a weak QB class, except for Newton, (Gabbert, Ponder, Locker). The teams that picked those QB's in the 1st missed out on some great defensive talent as well as some great WR's. It's funny, Locker (#8) to Tennessee and Gabbert (#10) to Jacksonville went before Watt (#11) and Ponder (#12) went after. I wonder how much those teams (Tacks & Jags) were kicking themselves a couple of years after that draft! Hope the Texans don't find themselves doing the same!
 
There are two guys that I like that are not mentioned here but I do have them in my mock; RD 3 Jermaine Elemunor and RD 4 Avianti Collins
 
Texian said:
There are two guys that I like that are not mentioned here but I do have them in my mock; RD 3 Jermaine Elemunor and RD 4 Avianti Collins
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INDIANAPOLIS – Former Willowridge High School star Aviante Collins, an offensive tackle from TCU, ran a 4.81 40-yard dash – fastest among offensive linemen at the combine.

Collins, 6-4, 295, bench pressed 225 pounds 34 times - tied for second among offensive linemen
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Impressive athlete who reportedly played every line position at TCU but center and with his speed he'd probably also be a solid STs player.
 
Insideop said:
I wonder how much those teams (Tacks & Jags) were kicking themselves a couple of years after that draft! Hope the Texans don't find themselves doing the same!
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Probably as much as the Texans are for taking Sua'Filo over Derek Carr or Tyler Ervin over Dak Prescott.
 
It's going to be really hard to mess up in the 2nd round. If we don't go OT there's tons of studs on D still available.

Hopefully some QBs go ahead of our pick!
 
I recognize need for RT but Jordan Willis (OLB), Melifonwu (safety), Witherspoon (CB) and OT Antonio Garcia could all be there. Also I am looking at Davenport LT who should be able to start RT before season over.
 
Number19 said:
Lamp and Robinson will probably go very quickly in the second, but hopefully Dawkins or Moton will be available. I'd try to trade up.
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Can't afford a trade up at this point. 1 should be at 57. If all are off the board that means we get to add yet another stud on defense that inexplicably fell to our pick!
 
TheRealJoker said:
Can't afford a trade up at this point. 1 should be at 57. If all are off the board that means we get to add yet another stud on defense that inexplicably fell to our pick!
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Psshhh, we've still got five 2018 picks, three 2018 compensatory picks, & Cleveland's 4th this yeat.


Though Rick should probably seek counseling if he trades the compensatory picks we haven't even got yet.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Can't afford a trade up at this point. 1 should be at 57. If all are off the board that means we get to add yet another stud on defense that inexplicably fell to our pick!
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Check, we've blown our wad when it comes to trading up in the 2017 Draft so now we need to go stingy&smart and maybe add some picks.
I'd like to get atleast 2 players who can play offensive tackle by picking one today and using a 4th or higher round pick tomorrow for the second one.
 
Hope we can grab Julie'n Davenport OT Bucknell today. Guys with 36" arms that can move a bit don't grow on trees. Maybe with NFL coaching he can become a solid starting RT?!
 
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