I don't think there will be any guy available at 25 that can start straight away. There isn't a QB worth giving up what we'd have to to move up either
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Save us Savage!!!!!!!
- Thread starter PockyAF
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I'm hearing Peterman is the most pro ready QB in the draft & most folks are expecting him to be a 2nd round selection.
If Trubisky fell into the teens, certainly past Cleveland at 12, I'd greenlight half the city to go get him.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Ok I have to know what is it about Savage that so many think he will be The Guy? Seriously I don't get it, he has played 5 games in three seasons and that largely in part because he has been injured more than a lot of veteran QBs. Yeah Osweiler sucked and Savage looked great in comparison but the lesser of two evils is still evil.
I realize we don't know what we have in him, and believe me I hope we have gold, and many see that as a reason to give him the job. Ok fair enough but still doesn't explain why some act as though he's already solved all our QB problems.
This isn't a knock at anyone I honestly am curious as to what others have seen that I've missed because frankly the thought of going into the season with Savage as starter is as big a risk as going in with Romo would have been. Both have a history of injury and at least Romo showed he could be a star when needed. Savage, IMO, hasn't ever shown that he is better than a career backup and an iffy one of those at that.
I realize we don't know what we have in him, and believe me I hope we have gold, and many see that as a reason to give him the job. Ok fair enough but still doesn't explain why some act as though he's already solved all our QB problems.
This isn't a knock at anyone I honestly am curious as to what others have seen that I've missed because frankly the thought of going into the season with Savage as starter is as big a risk as going in with Romo would have been. Both have a history of injury and at least Romo showed he could be a star when needed. Savage, IMO, hasn't ever shown that he is better than a career backup and an iffy one of those at that.
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Nobody sees anything. We're all just speculating. He hasn't played enough for anybody to know one way or the other. And when you've been in QB purgatory for 5 years you grab on to anything you can hoping he can bring you out.
On top of that, I can't think of one Savage supporter that doesn't support drafting an early round QB. So it's not like their faith in Savage is that strong. It's all about moving on. Enough with the Fitzpatricks & Hoyers & the other handful of exciting stat, playoff missing QBs.
If we had a beed on Brees, Savage wouldn't have near as many fans.
Number19
Hall of Fame
What you write can pretty much be said of any signing other than an eastablished starter. What's the excitement over Jimmy G? I haven't read anyone saying Savage is "the guy"; those are your words. What has been written is that Savage has been in the system for three years and it's time to give him a chance to prove if he can be our starter. His so called history of injury is mostly nothing, small stuff that just happens and no indication that he can't remain injury free. It's simply his time and there's no reason to over react or panic.
<---------- My Location has stated QB Purgatory for the last 3 years.
There's quite a few of them who don't want to draft a QB early , they want to draft OL early and maybe a late round project at QB .... "giving Savage all the help they can."
What I've got to say to those people is - What got us here (QB purgatory) wont get us there (
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Savage is the best choice. It forces the FO to draft a QB this year, and if Savage does great its great for us. If he sucks it up, we have a high draft pick next year. Probably a new coach. And the coach MIGHT request to draft another QB next year to get his guy. At least that is what I would do if I were them.
But the worst case scenario is we don't draft a QB this year, or spend a fifth on one, and next year we draft another at with a 3rd round pick.
But the worst case scenario is we don't draft a QB this year, or spend a fifth on one, and next year we draft another at with a 3rd round pick.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'm one of those who would prefer to draft a QB with one of our forth round selections. But I'm resigned to the fact that the team seems to lean toward drafting early. In which case my preference is Peterman. What you ignore is that, at least in my case, my preference is to go all out drafting a QB in the first round next year if Savage or Weeden don't prove themselves. Former first round selection Weeden is likely a better talent, or at least as good as, any QB in this year's draft. And you don't even want to give him a look see. I do. And Savage. What's a year if they don't perform? And if they don't, a QB next year will likely be graded as a higher prospect than anything which falls to us this year.<---------- My Location has stated QB Purgatory for the last 3 years.
There's quite a few of them who don't want to draft a QB early , they want to draft OL early and maybe a late round project at QB .... "giving Savage all the help they can."
What I've got to say to those people is - What got us here (QB purgatory) wont get us there (
Mangler
Toro de España
Kinda hard to prove yourself when they don't give you the opportunity, don't you think?
I'm good with that as well. I'd much rather spend a 1st on a QB I think can start right away. I may not start him right away, but I want to believe he can.
Drafting a 1st round OT that can start on the right side & move to the left in the future would be a much better pick, if that guy is there (even if we have to go up & get him) because we need to prepare for Brown.
For the most part, & my memory may be wrong, but these guys not looked at as a day 1 starter don't usually pan out to what we want. The NFL does a crappy job developing QBs.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
The NFL needs a true farm system - especially for QB's. Colleges don't have a goal of "preparing QB's for the NFL" so there is a lack of an intermediate place to look for talent that wasn't quite ready.
NFL Europe was a decent stab at it, but Europe isn't overly enthusiastic about our brand of oblong football. I still think a farm system would work in the states, I'd pay to go see "almost" NFL caliber play at a more intimate level just like I would/do for minor league baseball.
32 teams and over half are always looking for an upgrade at one position.
Baseball - some position players come straight out of college (or younger) and are able to contribute to a team right away, but pitchers rarely if ever go straight to the big's. It takes time to develop those guys, get their head right, and have them adjust to professionals swinging at their pitches.
I still think the same holds true for QB's - a lot of these 3/4/5 rd guys could be salvaged with a few years actually playing, not holding a clipboard for someone else. But being taught the nuances of the pro game and putting those into practice by playing games against almost NFL caliber talent.
I'll put my soap box away - but put me down in favor of a NFL minor league system. Texas Fish Tacos, let's make this happen.
NFL Europe was a decent stab at it, but Europe isn't overly enthusiastic about our brand of oblong football. I still think a farm system would work in the states, I'd pay to go see "almost" NFL caliber play at a more intimate level just like I would/do for minor league baseball.
32 teams and over half are always looking for an upgrade at one position.
Baseball - some position players come straight out of college (or younger) and are able to contribute to a team right away, but pitchers rarely if ever go straight to the big's. It takes time to develop those guys, get their head right, and have them adjust to professionals swinging at their pitches.
I still think the same holds true for QB's - a lot of these 3/4/5 rd guys could be salvaged with a few years actually playing, not holding a clipboard for someone else. But being taught the nuances of the pro game and putting those into practice by playing games against almost NFL caliber talent.
I'll put my soap box away - but put me down in favor of a NFL minor league system. Texas Fish Tacos, let's make this happen.
Sigma
Veteran
I think NFL is growing in popularity over here.
many countries have American Football National Championships, I don't know if there is anything international tho
Vinnie
with an I E
This will never happen. Especially now in the CTE era, football is just too damaging physically for it.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
While I really like the idea the problems with it are pretty big. So let's say you draft that shiny new rookie QB that is suppose to be your QB of the future. Well first if you send him down to the minor leagues then you are paying him that high draft pick salary for him to not really be helping your team.
Right now yes most rookies ride the bench for a few seasons but they are there if you need them or you think they are ready. If they are down playing for a minor league team you can't just send them into the game if the starter goes down.
Next it doesn't actually help them learn the teams system. Unless the HC is splitting his attention between the NFL team and the minor team, something that in itself is a bad idea, then the rookie is just going to have to learn another new system when they finally comes to the majors.
Baseball doesn't have that issue because while the game is played faster and harder the higher you get there really isn't any playbook you have to learn per say. A pitcher for one team is basically throwing the same pitches as a guy from another team. Not so with football players and the various plays they have to learn.
Finally the risk of injury is way to high. It's already hard to get a player that wasn't beat to hell in college and now you are going to put them through more punishment before they even get to your team? Unless the minor leagues are playing flag football or something guys are going to come into the NFL with a way shorter career life span.
OzzO
.. and then?
Wouldn't that be funny (sad) if the Texans have had their own "Brady" on the team all this time and muddled through all the other QB chit instead? Heck, both named Tom.... both drafted late.... it's a SIGN!!!!!
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Wouldn't that be funny (sad) if the Texans have had their own "Brady" on the team all this time and muddled through all the other QB chit instead? Heck, both named Tom.... both drafted late.... it's a SIGN!!!!!
Both with a head coach named Bill......the plot thickens!
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Last post - as it is just derailing the topic (could be a good post for discussion in the NFL forum) but nothing is perfect - and you would need to work out some details like a pay scale adjustment if you weren't kept on the NFL roster but sent to the minors etc. etc.
As far as damaging on the body - A lot of people work dangerous jobs where they face the thread of bodily harm or not coming home to their families for a damn sight less money than the typical athlete makes in a year, so for me it is "meh". If they choose to play football they and are made aware of the risk, go for it. Or don't and get a day job like the rest of us.
Wear and tear on the body? Sure in some instances it might make a difference, but in a lot of cases you get two to three years out of a player at the NFL level that would have never made it to the NFL without the developmental league, whats the downside to the team?
Also correct that it would be hard to learn the pro teams system... but what is keeping them from teaching a kid with raw arm talent how to take snaps under center, back peddle, plant, slide, plant throw... you know those pesky mechanics people are always talking about. And then do it repeatedly in a real game situation instead of running the scout team?
Maybe I just want cheaper tickets to football games, who knows. But I see more advantages than disadvantages.
Number19
Hall of Fame
It's just not done at the pro level, but I'm a firm believer in playing your backup QB's in games where you have a good lead; or, if you've got a real push over you should beat handily, starting your backup. This is all to the team's advantage with no disadvantage except maybe a bruised ego to your "starter".
zshawn10
All Pro
The Texans drafted Tom Savage in the fourth round of the 2014 draft, hoping he may develop into a long-term starter down the road. When Brock Osweiler got benched late last season, Savage finally got his opportunity. In the two games where he played significant snaps, Savage had a 90.06 PFF QB Rating, a 72.1 percent adjusted completion rate and was accurate on 86.4 percent of his passes under pressure – all very promising signs for the young QB.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-whats-next-for-the-texans-if-not-tony-romo/
I get your point .... I'm just beyond wait for next year , we been doing that long enough and its got us where we are - QB purgatory. What got us here wont get us there. 4th round or none at all is what got us here. It wont get us where we want to be.
Savage has been here and had a shot each year , cant tell me different , if he was all that he would have been on the field. He couldn't beat out Fitzy , he couldn't beat out Hoyer , he couldn't beat out Keenum , he couldn't beat out Mullet , He couldn't beat out the Blundering Wizard of Os. He just outlasted them all .... attrition.
If he was worth a damn the team wouldn't have gone out and signed Os .... they wouldn't have gone out and gotten Hoyer the year before. Injuries are only part of the issue. He just aint that good.
Weeden .... he's been around the block and is what he is , a decent backup. He saw pretty much the same competition as Savage and couldn't beat out those guys OR Savage .....
As for Peterman , I don't believe he goes as early as some here predict , I see a 4th round guy for the most part but if he was my guy I might take him in the 3rd.
As for waiting for next year to draft a QB .... what the hell for ?! So we can wait until next year to START developing a long term solution ?! Why not get a jump start on the situation .... start preparing a quality prospect NOW , not Later.
And as for next years crop being so much better .... We hear that sh!t every year , and every year we wait is another year throw away , another year where we know going in that the best we can hope for is just to make the playoffs and maybe win that home game then get curb stomped on the road.
Haven't you had enough seasons like that , thrown away on FitzTragic , Mullet , Hoyerable , The Blundering Wizard of Os .... knowing out of the starting gate that your team has NO CHANCE to win it all ?!
I'd like to feel like they had a real chance for once .... Sooner than later. What got us here wont get us there
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Tom Brady wears 12, and Savage 3. 12 divided by 3 is 4 - the number of quarters in a football game.
All signs point to yes!
Sigma
Veteran
3 = 2 + 1
3 is the number of season ending injuries he had in the last 3 years
2 is the number of seasons in which he played at least 1 game
1 is the number of seasons in which he started at least 1 game
PS: I don't have anything against TS, just thought these were funny stats
TexanBorn51
All Pro
im 66 n fairly good with math but as a kid I was taught to have 11 fingers. you say whaaaat? yea take only your left hand and give the thumb number 10 then count bakcwards to pinky number 6. then you add that 6 and add your right hand ...6+5=11...lol
Sigma
Veteran
I was thought that as well
But it was more a 5_left_5_right_1_south kind of situation
sandman
Brexit Advisor
2014 NFL Draft.
Raiders get their stud LB first then their QB later in the 2nd round.
Vikings get their stud LB first then their QB later with the last pick of the 1st round.
Texans get their stud LB first then their QB later in the 4th round. With a compensatory pick no less. Who is the genius now???
Raiders get their stud LB first then their QB later in the 2nd round.
Vikings get their stud LB first then their QB later with the last pick of the 1st round.
Texans get their stud LB first then their QB later in the 4th round. With a compensatory pick no less. Who is the genius now???
2014 NFL Draft.
Raiders get their stud LB first then their QB later in the 2nd round.
Vikings get their stud LB first then their QB later with the last pick of the 1st round.
Texans get their stud LB first then their QB later in the 4th round. With a compensatory pick no less. Who is the genius now???
If it works out like that and Savage proves me wrong .... I'll be ecstatic. But I have little to no confidence that will happen ....
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sandman
Brexit Advisor
Kitten. Ball of yarn.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
lol...I was thought that as well
But it was more a 5_left_5_right_1_south kind of situation
i say it appears we roll with Savage backed up by Weeden and a newly drafted QB. Meanwhile in the draft address the needs of QBs, OL, ILB or safety, TE or RB. When the season starts it will be like "Into the Great Wide Open"...T Petty who knows..
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I'm 100% behind that plan. Draft a rookie, start Savage and Weeden. Possible outcomes IMO included Savage establishing himself, Weeden stepping in and establishing himself, rookie stepping in and establishing himself, Savage proving he's not the answer, Weeden finally dispelling that idea that he could be something special but just got a bad shake, or the rookie proving it was too soon to call him up.
Almost all of those are wins for the franchise. If Savage and Weeden are no-go's then it's time we answer that and move on with our dreams placed on someone elses shoulders. If one of them is more than meets the eye then it's time for that to happen. If we draft a rookie and he has it in him to play early then lets get this show on the road.
Either one of these two veterans can play or they can't and the words "career backup" attach themselves to their names and we quit talking about what we might have here. Should have done this last year.
Number19
Hall of Fame
You hit the nail square on its head.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Agreed, I was on board with grabbing Romo and hoping for a win it all miracle but seeing as that didn't pan out let's roll with the Robins and see if one of them can become Batman and grab a project in the draft.
Worst case scenario we have a craptastic year and get a high pick to grab a QB next year when the draft class is suppose to be deep enough to scuba dive in.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
ditto! jmo the defense is mostly there its the offense that needs the work. So center Martin comes back from injury, newton is out, duane getting old, fix up a good OL add another RB n maybe TE. I think the WRs are set okay for starters. Add in some cap space to fill a hole or two. If this is what it is to be then surround the QB with the best you can be and that will also improve the total offense. Ya know like the Boys have had a fantastic OL so they got EZ and Dak cuz of Romo s injuries and Im sure the OL had a lot to do with their performances.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
We're all trying, brother!
thetexanator
Veteran
lets not be that guy. savage sucks and heres why.
bla bla if he stays healthy
bla bla if the line holds up
bla bla we havent seen him play
bla bla he probably is good
bla bla if
bla bla if
all these ifs and he is good
a good qb, you know you got a good qb
well we know hes gunna be good unless he slips on a banana
unless he pokes an eye out shaving
unless he doesnt wake up on time
savage is a bunch of if's.
he sucks
bla bla if he stays healthy
bla bla if the line holds up
bla bla we havent seen him play
bla bla he probably is good
bla bla if
bla bla if
all these ifs and he is good
a good qb, you know you got a good qb
well we know hes gunna be good unless he slips on a banana
unless he pokes an eye out shaving
unless he doesnt wake up on time
savage is a bunch of if's.
he sucks
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Bla-Bla who do you have in mind that will supplant Savage?
Bla-Bla it wont be any QB from the draft!
Bla-Bla it wont be Cutler or Kap either b/c they suck even more.
Bla-Bla-Bla you might want to get comfortable with Savage b/c he's the hope for 2017 and seems to be the one O'Brien is counting on in his do-or-die season.
Sigma
Veteran
that is more an indication of how little hope there is rather than how good Savage is
yup, pretty much the same here
H
humblegeo
Guest
I saw what Savage could do last season when he got his brief opportunity and all I can say about that is PITIFUL. Now what I saw, I'm pretty sure is the same thing everyone else saw. His brief opportunity ended on a simple quarterback sneak play. Man if you can't do a quarterback sneak for a couple of inches without getting taken out then what do you think is going to happen to him when he gets hit hard and sacked over and over and over. I can almost guarantee he won't be the starter, in fact I'm surprised he's still on the roster. Didn't he miss an entire season already due to injury? And didn't he get hurt and taken out last season during his very brief opportunity? I can't go this route.
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Sigma
Veteran
I think he managed to end both the seasons he played with an injury, and the one in which he didn't play as well
PapaL
Loose Screw
Right?
I mean who purposely gets a concussion? Savage.
He gets put on IR for a minor injury? Savage.
What a sack of crap that guy.
badboy
Hall of Fame
yet not only is he on roster but appears to be the starter. We all have opinions and evaluations but what management decides is what is going to happen. QB sneaks are all on the QB..interesting but not true. Concussion..no concussion..which was it and whom decided? Frustration is justified but should be based on facts not what we think we saw or..wanted to see.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I never saw Savage stumbling around like he had a concussion but I did see him as well as everyone else should have seen him (since the game was televised) get pretty upset when the doctor wanted to take him to the locker room for the concussion protocol. He cleared protocol and ran (not wobbled) back to the sideline and O'Brien immediately sent him back on the field. The mystery was the horrible relapse he suffered during halftime. Funny that Savage never got to tell his side of the concussion situation.
FO was staring down an ugly situation in that their 72M QB was benched in favor of the 600K QB. No way do they risk Savage finishing the season as the starter. If Osweiler had been having a great season, got injured, then Savage comes in and does a good job, then the FO could save face by trading Osweiler and get something back....in reality, Osweiler was having a horrible season and if Savage replaced him and had some success, then how does the team get rid of Osweiler and his contract...at the time? FO must have had a very sickening feeling in the pit of their stomachs as O'Brien was ready to move forward with his plan.
FO was staring down an ugly situation in that their 72M QB was benched in favor of the 600K QB. No way do they risk Savage finishing the season as the starter. If Osweiler had been having a great season, got injured, then Savage comes in and does a good job, then the FO could save face by trading Osweiler and get something back....in reality, Osweiler was having a horrible season and if Savage replaced him and had some success, then how does the team get rid of Osweiler and his contract...at the time? FO must have had a very sickening feeling in the pit of their stomachs as O'Brien was ready to move forward with his plan.
I think the FO saw the same things we saw. & winning is still better than "saving face" especially after the previous 30-0 home blowout the previous season.
Neither Rick or McNair ever said anything to indicate they were against benching Brock Osweiler. That's a coaches decision & they seemed to be fine with it.
They knew trading Brock was not going to happen at that time. Nothing he could have done between that game & the end of our season was going to change that.
McNair did say it was a gutsy move by OB to bench Os.