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Why Texans must go Oline at #25.

Texansphan

Texansphan

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If you pass on the four best OL (Lamp,Robinson, Ramczyk and Bolles) at #25, the rest that likely fall to you at #57 are not really starting quality guys.
Yes we need a QB but - you can likely get a QB at #57 who will not be far from the top four in Nathan Peterman whose game translates well to Texans system and none of the QB's in this draft are starters with the possible exception of Watson.
You simply must get a quality OL who can play RT, in the first.
If there is a top tier guy available at #25 (other than OL), there is the distinct possibility that FO takes him regardless of his position (BPA).
This is also a prime draft to trade back and get an extra pick or two - however, I have a feeling none of the top four OL fall into the second simply because of the drop off of starting potential falls off after those four.
So OL is key in the first round and Peterman is a good fit for Texans at #57. The biggest hit on Peterman is that he does not have the strongest of arms. However, Texans have had some big arms under center (Savage, Mallet) and what good did it do them?
O'Brien's system will be short to intermediate throws with an occasional deep ball. Peterman can build some strength with maturity and training in time - but in the meantime he is smart, accurate and has pocket poise and has worked in a pro style offense.
Share your thoughts.
 
Beside Mahomes, which I've gone on and on about and so no need to drag all that here, I'm pretty much right there with you. That said, should Lamp, Robinson, Ramczyk, and Bolles be taken by 25 ...

... and no, not highly likely all off them are gone, but on the chance it happens, what then ... ?
 
I don't think they have to draft an OL at 25, I think there are still a few guys who can start at RT later, I like Bolles and Lamp a lot, but can Lamp play tackle? Bolles still needs strength and is older, Ramczyk has the hip thing and has limited experience, I'm not a Robinson guy, I question his lateral agility to play tackle,
My point is all these guys have some negatives so locking onto one of them at the expense of some of the other guys that might fall seems shortsighted. Especially if guys like Cunningham, Humphrey etc are there, basically guys who will be expected to have a earlier impact.


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jradMIT said:
I don't think they have to draft an OL at 25, I think there are still a few guys who can start at RT later, I like Bolles and Lamp a lot, but can Lamp play tackle? Bolles still needs strength and is older, Ramczyk has the hip thing and has limited experience, I'm not a Robinson guy, I question his lateral agility to play tackle,
My point is all these guys have some negatives so locking onto one of them at the expense of some of the other guys that might fall seems shortsighted. Especially if guys like Cunningham, Humphrey etc are there, basically guys who will be expected to have a earlier impact.


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Bolles isn't even 300 lbs so he's got to get more sand in his pants to play offensive line with he big boys, especially RT, in the NFL. He's really one of those unusual offensive line prospects who might be limited to a single position, left tackle, in the NFL.
And here's something else about the tackle position in this years Draft and I'm not joking. As puritanical as our leader/owner is or atleast has been in past years drafts I wouldn't put it past him to demand that both Bolles and Robinson be omitted from the Texans' Board because of off field issues.
 
jradMIT said:
I don't think they have to draft an OL at 25, I think there are still a few guys who can start at RT later, I like Bolles and Lamp a lot, but can Lamp play tackle? Bolles still needs strength and is older, Ramczyk has the hip thing and has limited experience, I'm not a Robinson guy, I question his lateral agility to play tackle,
My point is all these guys have some negatives so locking onto one of them at the expense of some of the other guys that might fall seems shortsighted. Especially if guys like Cunningham, Humphrey etc are there, basically guys who will be expected to have a earlier impact.


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Lamp's arms are just as long as Eric Winston's who has enjoyed a decade long NFL career and was a solid starter for many years.

I would love to get Lamp. I think he'd stabilize the RT position due to his talent. We can always bump him inside if we think we can upgrade that RT position but it wouldn't be due to his lack of talent. It would be an idea to make a solid starter an all pro at a different position. Plain and simple adding Lamp adds a bonafide stud on the OL which is something we sorely need.
 
IDEXAN said:
Bolles isn't even 300 lbs so he's got to get more sand in his pants to play offensive line with he big boys, especially RT, in the NFL. He's really one of those unusual offensive line prospects who might be limited to a single position, left tackle, in the NFL.
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Look to a ZBS team.

As puritanical as our leader/owner is or atleast has been in past years drafts I wouldn't put it past him to demand that both Bolles and Robinson be omitted from the Texans' Board because of off field issues.
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You mean like when Okoye (pot), Travis Johnson (assault) and Cushing (steroids) were removed from our draft boards?

Texansphan said:
Links please.
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Get serious. It's in damn near any thread where QBs, needs or the draft are involced.
 
Puritancal, a beautiful word for a Sunday morning.

I think all of the OT's will be off the board by 25. If that's the case I take Mahomes if he's there. (Doubtful) Plan C for me would be to draft Reddick, who I think would be a perfect fit next to McKinney. He also has pass rush ability in addition to being able to cover. In other words this guy is a stud.

I like him kinda how I liked Bud Dupree.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Beside Mahomes, which I've gone on and on about and so no need to drag all that here, I'm pretty much right there with you. That said, should Lamp, Robinson, Ramczyk, and Bolles be taken by 25 ...

... and no, not highly likely all off them are gone, but on the chance it happens, what then ... ?
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If they really rank one of the QB's so high as a starter, they take him in the first. That means they have to hope there is a starter at RT available at #57 or move up.
 
infantrycak said:
Look to a ZBS team.



You mean like when Okoye (pot), Travis Johnson (assault) and Cushing (steroids) were removed from our draft boards?



Get serious. It's in damn near any thread where QBs, needs or the draft are involced.
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Well excuse me for wanting to post a thread.
You are a mod, check how many I have started then quit starting in on me.
 
infantrycak said:
Look to a ZBS team.



You mean like when Okoye (pot), Travis Johnson (assault) and Cushing (steroids) were removed from our draft boards?
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Bolles will be perfect for a team like the Broncos. Probably means he wont be there at 25.

oKoYe/Johnson/Cushing were drafted almost a decade ago.

I would call puritanical the perfect word to describe the Texans org. It's a big reason BOB's on the hot seat after the Hard Knocks thingy.

The Texans have by far the cleanest Sunday School team in the NFL. Google it up.
 
jradMIT said:
I don't think they have to draft an OL at 25, I think there are still a few guys who can start at RT later, I like Bolles and Lamp a lot, but can Lamp play tackle? Bolles still needs strength and is older, Ramczyk has the hip thing and has limited experience, I'm not a Robinson guy, I question his lateral agility to play tackle,
My point is all these guys have some negatives so locking onto one of them at the expense of some of the other guys that might fall seems shortsighted. Especially if guys like Cunningham, Humphrey etc are there, basically guys who will be expected to have a earlier impact.


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Lamp is probably the best OL talent in this draft.
He has played every position except Center.
 
Our O-line is bad and I have been preaching for more resources being spent for the last few years. Newton had one decent season, we let Brooks and Jones leave town for reasonable contracts then replaced them with trash. Last year we had a ultimatum to get faster through the draft and mostly ignored the o-line with the exception of one pick. We overdrafted redundant speed in one of the best O-line drafts in recent years. Problem is the damage is done. Overdrafting O-line in a very weak O-line draft is just compounding a negative with another negative. Robinson will get absolutely abused as a NFL pass protector. Bolles is a 3 year project who plays with poor consistency. Ramcyck has injury flags and prolly wont last to 25 and the rest dont have ceilings any higher than Bisnowaty, Holden or Skipper, of whom one should be available in the 4th. I am not a fan of overdrafting players based on the #1 need but we also shouldn't draft BPA for a position that only requires depth. For example you don't draft a downhill linebacker in the first, or a receiver, running back, center, free safety, 5 tech assuming Clowney stays at DE, or tight end, but strong safety, slot corner, coverage backer, guard, tackle and of course quarterback should all be options and the pick should be spent on the player whose talents improves our team the most, not which one fills the biggest need.
 
infantrycak said:
Look to a ZBS team..
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Yes as a smallish and athletic lineman he's an obvious fit for a zone scheme but just as obviously not so much for the power stuff Billy favors here in Houston.

You mean like when Okoye (pot), Travis Johnson (assault) and Cushing (steroids) were removed from our draft boards?
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Yea Cushing had those red flags sticking out all over the place didn't he. I remember TJs problem too but don't recall Okoye's pot issues but I don't doubt your recollection.
OK I-man I hope you are right and Texans leave all of those guys on their Board. The pickings are thin enough for tackles this year as it is without us cutting them down even farther
and we really help at that position.
 
I Bolles can play RT this year, he will get engulfed at times but his tenacity and athleticism will carry though enough for him to be solid. Lamp is the best prospect in the draft at Oline, but at 6-4 with 32inch arms, he's a much better fit at guard, a guy a really like in the second is Taylor Moton, maybe if by luck Lamp is there, you double down and get Moton and sort it out later who plays guard or tackle.


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infantrycak said:
You mean like when Okoye (pot), Travis Johnson (assault) and Cushing (steroids) were removed from our draft boards?
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Travis Johnson was acquitted by a jury of 6 women who deliberated for less than 30 minutes. Okoye was extremely young with a weed charge. Not exactly a group of hardened criminals, but I agree with your overall point that the Texans aren't going out of their way to add only choir boys.
 
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