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I think he could still be a 1st RD pick based on Combine measurables and agility skills. You could put him on the right side for a couple of years before moving him over to the left side.
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Garett Bolles-OT-UTAH
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Brooks has the Texans taking Cam in the 1st . I think I would take a plea bargain for that right now . The next question is who plays RG . The Texans highest rated OL was Brown followed by Mancz . Can Mancz or Martin play RG or do you get Dawkins , Johnson , Siragusa , or Pocic to pair with Cam ?
TexansSeminole
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With Filo, Mancz, Martin, Allen (I guess) and Aboushi (if they re-sign him), you've got 5 guys competing for 3 spots. I think we could afford to wait a bit in the draft for a guard, but I'm not going to complain if we take one higher and don't re-sign Aboushi.
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After spending the day watching the entire OL Combine, twice, I have taken a liking to an SEC RG and that will be in Post Combine mock next week. BTW I think Cam would be a good RT and an even better RG and my SEC RG is not Cam. Also I'm projecting Cam to be gone before #25.
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You mean that A&M guy from England .
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I think out of Filo, Mancz, Martin, Allen and Aboushi , the last two are gone .
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That's the one.
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Yup ... his best days are ahead .
Texian
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Had a very impressive Combine and game videos.
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Yup ... made himself some money .
jradMIT
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I didn't see him do most of the drill other than bench, but I was intrigued by him as well before the draft.
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Number19
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We need quality depth, as well as starters.
We'd be very fortunate if Robinson was still on the Board because I think he's the best tackle in the Draft but even if he was available McNair would probably prevent the organization from drafting him because of his off field history.
jradMIT
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Yeah I was thinking the same, it was some somewhat serious but the charges were dropped so where do you draw the line, it's probably a moot point because he's probably long gone by 25.
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This philosophy is the biggest reason why the Texans org will never bring a SB to this city.
Drafting him in rd 4/5 would be optimal as a developmental guy. The tools are there.
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Yup .... that's how Jerrah got Collins .
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I believe that charges against Robinson were dropped. If I remember correctly, Saban said it was a case of an overzealous Louisiana cop who was a BIG LSU fan taking out his anger against Alabama and Robinson for signing with the Tide.
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2016/06/attorney_reveals_new_details_i.html
Texian
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Based on his Combine performances and game videos I'm guessing he will be long gone by RD 4 or Rd 5. He was kind of a sleeper and under the radar guy. After this weekend, no more! More like a RD 2-3 guy.
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How about trade down then OT , TE ( deep talented ) A&M Guard , Peterman . Kind of what you mocked .
Dawkins , Hodges , A&M G , Peterman
jradMIT
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Any thoughts on Siragusa? Where will he go? He had the elite measurements all around. He has to be flying up boards now I would think.
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Texian
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Siragusa (no relation to Tony) had a above average performance, good not great in his speed and strength. I expect he will be a 3-4 RD draft pick.
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Texans don't have a hole at TE like they do on their OL and QB. Until they fix their OL the O will continue to be less than average. Their depth is pitiful.
If there I want Mahomes Rd. 1,
Moton Rd.2
Bisnowaty Rd. 3
Moton Rd.2
Bisnowaty Rd. 3
jradMIT
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Siragusa
40 YARD DASH: 5.35 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 28 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 32.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 110.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.71 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.56 SEC
Lamp
40 YARD DASH: 5.00 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 34 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 27.5 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 111.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.55 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.62 SEC
Seemed to be almost as good as lamps
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40 YARD DASH: 5.35 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 28 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 32.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 110.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.71 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.56 SEC
Lamp
40 YARD DASH: 5.00 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 34 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 27.5 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 111.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.55 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.62 SEC
Seemed to be almost as good as lamps
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1) No, those results are actually not very close. Two are basically washes (Broad Jump and 20 yard), Siragusa wins won handily (Vertical), Lamp wins 3 handily (40, Bench, 3Cone).
2) I hope I misunderstand your comment, but just looking at combine numbers is an awful way to assess a player's talent... 2 players could have identical combine numbers, yet one player could be a vastly better football player. It is also quite possible that a player with worse numbers is actually the better player.
jradMIT
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No not only the combine, Siragusa was a three year starter, all conference first team and AP all American 3rd team so he can play. There were concerns on his pass pro but his 3 cone and shuttle numbers look good, his other numbers are showing that he does seem to have the powerful lower half, coming out of SDS he needed to test well.
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I wouldn't trump value for need and if a player who's not supposed to be there when I picked , I'm taking him . This will happen with TEs and OLB prospects this year .
You've come to this conclusion because of some drills at the combine?
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I think you've fallen in love with the player and have lost your objectivity. In the on the field drills, Siragusa was not even close to performing as well as Lamp.There is a reason Mayock has Lamp as his #1 interior OL and Siragusa is not in his Top 5. Let me assure you there is no way you can convince me that Siragusa is close to being as good as Lamp at this point.
I am a big believer in BPA but that applies when you're a balanced team. The Texans O is not going to improve until until they fix their less than than mediocre OL QB positions.
Yes, did you watch the Combine? I did, the OL portion, 3 times in it's entirety. I also have watched watched game videos. I know there this is this myth that the Combine is nothing more than a Underwear Olympics but it is a lot more than that. There is a reason why every coach and scout is there for every minute seeing every player, with stop watches and binders and notebooks of information about every player at the Combine. Game film does not tell you how fast, strong, agile and athletic a player is. Especially the OL.
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jradMIT
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I never said he was nearly as good of a prospect as Lamp, I said he tested nearly as well, that his numbers were close to the same, and asked for thoughts. Lamp is a beast not discounting that, but guys do get overlooked and I wouldn't be surprised to see Siragusa in the top 5 going forward, (which is really a top 4 in Mayock's came because Robinson is in there.) He was 3time all comference and a 3rd team All American. The guy wasn't only a good combine tester he played well as well. Going in the third round is much better than was probably thought before the combine, and the guy clearly has some power and athleticism. That's all thanks for your analysis.
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Garett Bolles, OT, Utah
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Garett Bolles tested better than every other offensive lineman at the combine. He ran a 4.95 40 with a 1.71 10-yard split. He also posted a terrific 3-cone time of 7.29. More importantly, Bolles eased concerns about his character concerns. He aced the team interviews, according to Charlie Campbell. You can read about that more in our NFL Draft Rumor Mill.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/combine2017stockOL.php#KgYmmateqJz9tE27.99
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For all of you Garett Bolles fans here's a very positive report from WalterFootball about his combine week. I'm pulling for the kid who seems to have had a tough past but is now apparently turning things around.
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Garett Bolles tested better than every other offensive lineman at the combine. He ran a 4.95 40 with a 1.71 10-yard split. He also posted a terrific 3-cone time of 7.29. More importantly, Bolles eased concerns about his character concerns. He aced the team interviews, according to Charlie Campbell. You can read about that more in our NFL Draft Rumor Mill.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/combine2017stockOL.php#KgYmmateqJz9tE27.99
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For all of you Garett Bolles fans here's a very positive report from WalterFootball about his combine week. I'm pulling for the kid who seems to have had a tough past but is now apparently turning things around.
Texian
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Garett Bolles, OT, Utah
image: http://walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Garett Bolles tested better than every other offensive lineman at the combine. He ran a 4.95 40 with a 1.71 10-yard split. He also posted a terrific 3-cone time of 7.29. More importantly, Bolles eased concerns about his character concerns. He aced the team interviews, according to Charlie Campbell. You can read about that more in our NFL Draft Rumor Mill.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/combine2017stockOL.php#KgYmmateqJz9tE27.99
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For all of you Garett Bolles fans here's a very positive report from WalterFootball about his combine week. I'm pulling for the kid who seems to have had a tough past but is now apparently turning things around.
I concur, he aced his measurables and agility drills. Did not lift because of a pectoral muscle. His on field drills were not as polished as some of the guys who have started 40 games. Concerned I went back and watched 4 games and he does play better than most in this draft. That said this is a weak draft for OT. I'm not sure this class would have first RD picks compared to other classes. The exceptions being Lamp and maybe Ramcyk but Ram comes with a lot of medical history.
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FYI and FTR I think Siragusa is a solid 3rd RD draft pick.
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Regardless of draft grades, teams will "reach" for need and given the lack of quality & quantity of NFL ready OL men, Bolles, Ram & Cam will be off the board by 25th pick.
Of course we can all have our own pipe dreams
Probably so, but there's a chance one of them will fall and there is the trade up option.
Thoughts on Taylor Moton Or Antonio Garcia, are those the next two? I know Eleamour is liked too.
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Because this is a very weak OL class and very Strong RBs, TE, LB, Pass Rusher and DB class, OL may suffer somewhat as teams rank their draft boards that will Top heavy with with a very deep class in RBs, TE, Edge rushers, LB and DBs.Regardless of draft grades, teams will "reach" for need and given the lack of quality & quantity of NFL ready OL men, Bolles, Ram & Cam will be off the board by 25th pick.
Of course we can all have our own pipe dreams
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I'll say up front that I haven't watched any film on Taylor Moton, so I'll take Dion Dawkins or Roderick Johnson and Antonio Garcia as the next tier of OT's. Of course I'd love to take Zach Cunningham in the 1st round and then take Dawkins or Johnson in the 2nd, but that might be getting greedy.
I'll say up front that I haven't watched any film on Taylor Moton, so I'll take Dion Dawkins or Roderick Johnson and Antonio Garcia as the next tier of OT's. Of course I'd love to take Zach Cunningham in the 1st round and then take Dawkins or Johnson in the 2nd, but that might be getting greedy.
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I came into this week somewhat excited about Antonio Garcia but after watching his game videos and his Combine performances I'm not excited about him anymore. Moton is a large lumbering man. As I watched him go through his on field drills I had concerns about his pass protections. I think he is suited to being career back up.
beerlover
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Top 3 OT's are not weak, because it's not a deep class means they go earlier.
I see Moton as a serviceable RT and an above avg OG. Certainly better than Allen/XSF were last yr.
jradMIT
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Moton is among the few o-lineman who tested athletically above the average NFL lineman. He's got good potential to be a very good right guard.
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per Rotoworld
Pro Football Focus notes that Western Michigan OL Taylor Moton "has the strength and athletic ability" to succeed in any scheme.
The PFF analysis team believes that Moton's best NFL fit will come at guard. "There are some concerns as can improve his pass protection against skilled rushers, but a move to guard can protect him in that regard," writes the outlet. The Bengals and Panthers both reportedly spent a fair amount of time talking with Moton on pro day. Scouts Inc. saw him as a "winner" coming out of the Combine.
Pro Football Focus notes that Western Michigan OL Taylor Moton "has the strength and athletic ability" to succeed in any scheme.
The PFF analysis team believes that Moton's best NFL fit will come at guard. "There are some concerns as can improve his pass protection against skilled rushers, but a move to guard can protect him in that regard," writes the outlet. The Bengals and Panthers both reportedly spent a fair amount of time talking with Moton on pro day. Scouts Inc. saw him as a "winner" coming out of the Combine.
That's generally the case which is why the tackles make more money than the guards & centers.
jradMIT
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per Rotoworld
Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline passes along that a whopping 19 NFL OL coaches attended Utah's pro day on Thursday.
The Jets, Browns, Jaguars and Lions were among that large crew of offensive line coaches. Garrett Bolles was one of the star attractions and did not disappoint. The 6-foot-5, 297-pounder stood by his stellar Combine testing results, but did take part in positional drills, with Pauline writing that he "left no doubt he’s the premiere left tackle in the draft." A first-round lock, Pauline is hearing that he could climb as high as a top-12 selection and that most insiders he has spoken with think that top-20 is pretty much a done deal.
Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline passes along that a whopping 19 NFL OL coaches attended Utah's pro day on Thursday.
The Jets, Browns, Jaguars and Lions were among that large crew of offensive line coaches. Garrett Bolles was one of the star attractions and did not disappoint. The 6-foot-5, 297-pounder stood by his stellar Combine testing results, but did take part in positional drills, with Pauline writing that he "left no doubt he’s the premiere left tackle in the draft." A first-round lock, Pauline is hearing that he could climb as high as a top-12 selection and that most insiders he has spoken with think that top-20 is pretty much a done deal.
2. GARETT BOLLES, Utah (6-5, 299, 4.98, 1): Will turn 25 next month after a troubled past in which he was kicked out of five schools and arrested for vandalizing a rival school’s field. “You name it, I’ve done it,” Bolles told kutv.com, adding that he was headed “down the wrong path to prison.” A married couple became his guardians, and his life began to turn around. Played two seasons in junior college and one for the Utes before declaring a year early. “Tough past,” said one scout. “One-year player. Very athletic. You like the up side. Concerned about the package.” Added another scout: “Tell me how many guys have been first round that are 25 or older? I’ll say this. Teams that have spent time with him, he gets football. Loves it. He’ll give you every ounce of soul, that kid.” Scored 9 on the Wonderlic, leading to questions whether he can retain an NFL system and make rapid pre-snap adjustments. “He saw the light,” said a third scout. “He’s got great feet and range. He’s aggressive and tenacious.” From Lehi, Utah. Married, couple has a son. “Really athletic and tough … he’s the most talented of all of them (tackles),” a fourth scout said. “He’s got to get stronger. That’s his weak point. Plays hard. You wish he was 21 or 22.
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OK here's another take on Bolles - lots of red flags.
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OK here's another take on Bolles - lots of red flags.