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[TexansSeminole]

Not very likely but possible and if that's the case why would you not take the OLB? This defense is really good but with injury concerns to our two best front seven guys and not much depth, I wouldn't pass up a guy that could be a starter for a less talented OT. It's just one pick. An early pick that needs to be used on the best talent possible. There is still the rest of the draft and all of free agency to fill needs on offense.

I would imagine that we will spend a big portion of free agency on filling offensive needs.

Hey, if that scenario happens I'm all for taking that prospect that's head and shoulders over the rest, regardless of position.

I actually think what the defense really needs the most is a well rounded safety. Our safeties didn't show a lot in coverage or run support last year. Hal has been good in the sense that he's outplayed his draft position, but he shouldn't be our top safety. If we could get a safety with some range and versatility in coverage, as well as some run support ability, this defense would really improve.

That's why I like Budda Baker so much. He adds versatility to packages, because he's a great blitzer off the edge and he can play man against slot receivers. That adds more effective blitz packages IMO. He can also play deep centerfield, so you can move him around.

Even a strictly centerfield type safety would add a lot to this defense. The range of our safeties was exposed, especially late in the year.

 

[Texansphan]

We don't know who JJW will be or how his health will hold up, ditto for Clowneys health as well, SImon is at best a JAG, if an edge guys falls who can be an impact player you take him. Like I said there will be few comparable players after the first round, there are often very good ILBs, TEs, Interior lineman, safeties there in the second and sometimes third. Also other than tackle there isn't a glaring need at any of those other spots, not nearly enough to justify passing on the rusher.

Even in the best case scenario with the four rushers you mention, Simon would be "freed" up meaning, he would have to win a one on one, you put an impact guy there and he will reek havoc, Simon is not gonna do any better than replacement level starter, not to mention his own health concerns. You put a guy with talent there he will change the game, why not attack at your enemies weakest point with a guy of strength? Why use a guy who is nothing special there instead?


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Whats wrong with Clowney's health? Seemed to be doing just fine if you ask me.
JJ is making noises like he will be just fine too.
Joel Heath and Antonio Smith are not chopped liver either - depth is fine.
Guys play hurt all the time.

 

[mussop]

We're getting an elite rusher back - JJ will (should) require double teams as will Clowney so Mercilus and Simon and co must get more freedom to wreak havoc.
With so many good DB's and Edges in this class I can see a quality player on the O falling to us - perhaps OJ Howard.
Let me ask you this - if Christian McCaffery falls to us, do we take him? He has phenomenal hands so is a true dual threat back.
Two birds with one stone.

I don't see him as an every down RB. I see him as a third down back and a slot WR. A very very good slot WR and a good return man. Depends on who is there but he will be a weapon if used right. I would love to see him become our Edelman. I think he has the perfect skillet to pull it off.

 

[jradMIT]

Whats wrong with Clowney's health? Seemed to be doing just fine if you ask me.
JJ is making noises like he will be just fine too.
Joel Heath and Antonio Smith are not chopped liver either - depth is fine.
Guys play hurt all the time.

Clowney has an arthritic knee and has been injury prone his whole career, no one knows what kind of player Watt is gonna be, two back disc surgeries in one year is nothing to write off. We all want JJW to be the havoc wreaking DMVP he was before and for Clowney to take another step and stay on the field, but those are far from certain. That's why a pass rusher along is still very much near the top of the need list behind QB and OT. You can sign an OT in FA without breaking the bank and draft one later, you can't do the same for Qb or Edge rusher.


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[jradMIT]

I don't see him as an every down RB. I see him as a third down back and a slot WR. A very very good slot WR and a good return man. Depends on who is there but he will be a weapon if used right. I would love to see him become our Edelman. I think he has the perfect skillet to pull it off.

I like McCaffrey too in the role you mentioned, he's got great hands and elite change of direction and agility which translate well into the league. Question is where would that work with Braxton Miller?


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[infantrycak]

You can sign an OT in FA without breaking the bank and draft one later, you can't do the same for Qb or Edge rusher.

Actually the market value for OTs and DEs is basically the same.

 

[Texansphan]

Clowney has an arthritic knee and has been injury prone his whole career, no one knows what kind of player Watt is gonna be, two back disc surgeries in one year is nothing to write off. We all want JJW to be the havoc wreaking DMVP he was before and for Clowney to take another step and stay on the field, but those are far from certain. That's why a pass rusher along is still very much near the top of the need list behind QB and OT. You can sign an OT in FA without breaking the bank and draft one later, you can't do the same for Qb or Edge rusher.


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You can also wait one season and see because if you draft an edge in R1, he is a starter and who are you going to sit?
Decent Edge rushers are available in rounds 2,3,4 and 5.
Texans may want another good CB yet if Bouye leaves - that takes precedence.
This D is fairly set - the O is far from it.

 

[ObsiWan]

This mystical edge rusher you guys keep talking about; who is he and can he play the run well?
I'm not into one-trick ponies. If we're spending our 1st rd pick on a guy he needs to be a 3 down player.
Emphasis on "player".

 

[jradMIT]

Watt and Clowney are at DE, there is an open OLB spot. FT for Olinemen (I assume the top 5 are LT's) 14.3M, FT for DE 16.9M, an edge guy that can start is the player all things remaining equal, it goes QB, edge, then tackle or Cb in order of potential impact. I think we're getting bogged down here but my point is that edge is definitely a position to strongly consider with the first pick, because of the combination of potential impact/need/ and scarcity.


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[TexansSeminole]

@jradMIT. What do you keep going on about? Clowney doesn't play DE, even though you keep asserting this. Clowney is moved around like a linebacker and occasionally will play an inside end spot, like a 3-4 end, but he does not play it in any traditional sense, only as a blitz or change up package. He plays a wide 4-3 end on occasion, but is again the edge rusher.

Clowney is a OLB that moves around, to act as if he's going to line up at 3-4 end all year next year is a very strange thing to be asserting.

McKinney is another guy that can be moved around and can rush from anywhere. An ILB that can cover and allow that to happen more often would be of more value to this particular defense, if you want to address the front 7.

 

[jradMIT]

@jradMIT. What do you keep going on about? Clowney doesn't play DE, even though you keep asserting this. Clowney is moved around like a linebacker and occasionally will play an inside end spot, like a 3-4 end, but he does not play it in any traditional sense, only as a blitz or change up package. He plays a wide 4-3 end on occasion, but is again the edge rusher.

Clowney is a OLB that moves around, to act as if he's going to line up at 3-4 end all year next year is a very strange thing to be asserting.

McKinney is another guy that can be moved around and can rush from anywhere. An ILB that can cover and allow that to happen more often would be of more value to this particular defense, if you want to address the front 7.

I guess I'm meaning move him inside in passing situations.


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[Texansphan]

Watt and Clowney are at DE, there is an open OLB spot. FT for Olinemen (I assume the top 5 are LT's) 14.3M, FT for DE 16.9M, an edge guy that can start is the player all things remaining equal, it goes QB, edge, then tackle or Cb in order of potential impact. I think we're getting bogged down here but my point is that edge is definitely a position to strongly consider with the first pick, because of the combination of potential impact/need/ and scarcity.


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Looking at needs as they stand right now I rank them this way (from the draft):-
Offense is obviously #1.
QB, RT, TE, RB.
QB - will likely come from the draft as Romo will likely end up in Denver, Garoppolo will either stay with Pats or be too expensive for Texans. Cutler's attitude will not sit well with O'Brien. That leaves the draft and the best prospects are in the top 50.
RT - a strong chance one could come from FA. If not, one has to be taken high as this is not a strong T class.
TE - Texans need to bolster the right side of their line with a good blocking TE, preferably one who has good hands to be a dual threat. This is a pretty good class for TE's so the draft is a logical place to look.
RB - Texans need a better option at RB2. RB's are a great support for the QB and a good one offers a great one-two punch out of the backfield - Texans love to run the rock so some quality help for Miller is a no-brainer.
With four quality additions at these positions, Texans offense would receive a much needed boost.

Defense:-
CB - Bouye will obviously take the money so a CB replacement will be needed. This is a deep draft for DB's and they are expensive in FA so the draft is the best place to get one. JJoe could be playing his last season in '17.
ILB - a high priority as Cushing likely plays his final season in '17.

Texans also need a veteran's experience at WR - Wes Welker may offer enough from the training aspect, but another older statesman (inexpensive, hopefully) may help our young receiver corp.

 

[jradMIT]

I would add Safety as well. With Demps a FA and this a strong class.


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[Texansphan]

I would add Safety as well. With Demps a FA and this a strong class.


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I thought about that, but I think KJ Dillon should be given his chance first.
It's surprising just how many holes this team still has, but you can't fill them all with high draft picks.
That's where FA and coaching comes in.

 

[steelbtexan]

I thought about that, but I think KJ Dillon should be given his chance first.
It's surprising just how many holes this team still has, but you can't fill them all with high draft picks.
That's where FA and coaching comes in.

It's not really surprising with Ricky McNair as GM.

There's a decade of proof if fans are willing to look at his tenure objectively.

 

[Texansphan]

It's not really surprising with Ricky McNair as GM.

There's a decade of proof if fans are willing to look at his tenure objectively.

Yeah, he has missed on a lot of draft picks, but so have other GM's.
The draft is a crap shoot.

 

[steelbtexan]

Yeah, he has missed on a lot of draft picks, but so have other GM's.
The draft is a crap shoot.

Avg to below avg at the draft.

Where he's really missed is in FA and contracts like the Cushing contract.

Think whatever you want but under Smith's tenure the Texans have never been true SB contenders and wont be unless the way they evaluate/obtain players changes.

 

[Texansphan]

Avg to below avg at the draft.

Where he's really missed is in FA and contracts like the Cushing contract.

Think whatever you want but under Smith's tenure the Texans have never been true SB contenders and wont be unless the way they evaluate/obtain players changes.

Hmm - the roster is pretty solid right now. A few problems on the O but the D is near the top.
A decent QB would turn the fortunes of this team dramatically.
Less than 50% of NFL teams have decent QB's, they are hard to come by.

 

[steelbtexan]

Hmm - the roster is pretty solid right now. A few problems on the O but the D is near the top.
A decent QB would turn the fortunes of this team dramatically.
Less than 50% of NFL teams have decent QB's, they are hard to come by.

Lets see, they need by my way of thinking, a starting OT/Backup OT/OG. A TE/RB on offense.

Defense a CB if Bouye isn't re-signed and depending on the contract I would let him walk. (Injuries and best season during a contract yr.)

Safety- They needed an upgrade/depth before Demps became a FA. The Pats took advantage of the Texans poor safety play.

Coverage LB to replace Cush.

NT/DE depth to replace Wilfork.

Lets have an honest discussion about the depth talent level on this team. They have a lot of great talent, but have very little in solid depth and are always sitting in this position before every draft. The Texans org with 2 HC's = wash/rinse repeat under Smith for the last decade and this doesn't even mention Smith's greatest deficiency as a GM. (Being able to indentify/aquire a top 10 QB much less a Rodgers/Brees/Wilson level QB, all of which have become when the Texans were picking. Heck Rick could've traded a 5th rd pick for Palmer.

 

[banned1976]

Lets see, they need by my way of thinking, a starting OT/Backup OT/OG. A TE/RB on offense.

Defense a CB if Bouye isn't re-signed and depending on the contract I would let him walk. (Injuries and best season during a contract yr.)

Safety- They needed an upgrade/depth before Demps became a FA. The Pats took advantage of the Texans poor safety play.

Coverage LB to replace Cush.

NT/DE depth to replace Wilfork.

Lets have an honest discussion about the depth talent level on this team. They have a lot of great talent, but have very little in solid depth and are always sitting in this position before every draft. The Texans org with 2 HC's = wash/rinse repeat under Smith for the last decade and this doesn't even mention Smith's greatest deficiency as a GM. (Being able to indentify/aquire a top 10 QB much less a Rodgers/Brees/Wilson level QB, all of which have become when the Texans were picking. Heck Rick could've traded a 5th rd pick for Palmer.

The two biggest issues (taking QB out of the discussion) I see is the lack of depth pretty much everywhere (some due to injuries/illness, others due to poor drafting) and versatility. If they are able, they should draft Jabrill Peppers in round one. He is one of the most versatile players in this draft. CBS Sports compares him to Troy Polamalu. I'd take that!

As for Bouye, Smith should have tagged him. He's going to make that much money wherever he goes; should have been here but he's going to be elsewhere. When you have a young improving to possibly being a shut down corner, don't let him enter FA Rick!. This is going to haunt the Texans for a long time, I believe.

 

[Texansphan]

Lets see, they need by my way of thinking, a starting OT/Backup OT/OG. A TE/RB on offense.

Defense a CB if Bouye isn't re-signed and depending on the contract I would let him walk. (Injuries and best season during a contract yr.)

Safety- They needed an upgrade/depth before Demps became a FA. The Pats took advantage of the Texans poor safety play.

Coverage LB to replace Cush.

NT/DE depth to replace Wilfork.

Lets have an honest discussion about the depth talent level on this team. They have a lot of great talent, but have very little in solid depth and are always sitting in this position before every draft. The Texans org with 2 HC's = wash/rinse repeat under Smith for the last decade and this doesn't even mention Smith's greatest deficiency as a GM. (Being able to indentify/aquire a top 10 QB much less a Rodgers/Brees/Wilson level QB, all of which have become when the Texans were picking. Heck Rick could've traded a 5th rd pick for Palmer.

You were saying you wanted to have an honest discussion about the depth.
Go.

 

[steelbtexan]

You were saying you wanted to have an honest discussion about the depth.
Go.

I think depth is lacking and would rather pay for 2-3 FA's rather than pay Bouye a 1 yr wonder big $$$$. Also if you pay Bouye this yr you will struggle to pay Nuk next yr. Add Witworth and a NT/cheaper CB in FA or the draft.

You really didn't answer my question about my thoughts on the depth issue. But it was a very cute answer. The type that tells me this discussion is going nowhere because when you look at all of the holes on this team there's no way to defend your position. But I would like to hear your thoughts on what should be done to fill these holes.

 

[steelbtexan]

The two biggest issues (taking QB out of the discussion) I see is the lack of depth pretty much everywhere (some due to injuries/illness, others due to poor drafting) and versatility. If they are able, they should draft Jabrill Peppers in round one. He is one of the most versatile players in this draft. CBS Sports compares him to Troy Polamalu. I'd take that!

As for Bouye, Smith should have tagged him. He's going to make that much money wherever he goes; should have been here but he's going to be elsewhere. When you have a young improving to possibly being a shut down corner, don't let him enter FA Rick!. This is going to haunt the Texans for a long time, I believe.

Bouye is probably gone, would you tag him and risk losing Nuk next yr?

Thanks for the discussion.

 

[banned1976]

Bouye is probably gone, would you tag him and risk losing Nuk next yr?

Thanks for the discussion.

Well, I would if I could but as soon as the combine started, Bouye became a FA

I'm not sure if they haven't already lost Hopkins. Hopkins may already be thinking about chasing that ring (and bling) and I think he knows that as long as the Texans QB instability exists the odds of him getting there are slim to none. I haven't heard Hopkins say he wants to stay.

I, like you, totally disagree the Texans are just one or two players away (unless one of them was a super star QB and I don't think there's that in this draft) from being legitimate contenders. That's why I would be OK with the Texans trading picks for Hopkins. I don't think he wants to be here. I think he's unwilling to deal with the hand given him here. I think he's going to want Antonio Brown type of money if he were to agree to stay. I don't think he'll receive that from Smith. So I believe either way he's gone too. I would have rather had one of the two and Bouye actually said he wanted to remain a Texan.

There's this - https://www.all22.com/new-england-p...s-deandre-hopkins-prove-patriots-want-no-1-wr

 

[Texansphan]

I think depth is lacking and would rather pay for 2-3 FA's rather than pay Bouye a 1 yr wonder big $$$$. Also if you pay Bouye this yr you will struggle to pay Nuk next yr. Add Witworth and a NT/cheaper CB in FA or the draft.

You really didn't answer my question about my thoughts on the depth issue. But it was a very cute answer. The type that tells me this discussion is going nowhere because when you look at all of the holes on this team there's no way to defend your position. But I would like to hear your thoughts on what should be done to fill these holes.

Looking at needs as they stand right now I rank them this way (from the draft):-
Offense is obviously #1.
QB, RT, TE, RB.
QB - will likely come from the draft as Romo will likely end up in Denver, Garoppolo will either stay with Pats or be too expensive for Texans. Cutler's attitude will not sit well with O'Brien. That leaves the draft and the best prospects are in the top 50.
RT - a strong chance one could come from FA. If not, one has to be taken high as this is not a strong T class.
TE - Texans need to bolster the right side of their line with a good blocking TE, preferably one who has good hands to be a dual threat. This is a pretty good class for TE's so the draft is a logical place to look.
RB - Texans need a better option at RB2. RB's are a great support for the QB and a good one offers a great one-two punch out of the backfield - Texans love to run the rock so some quality help for Miller is a no-brainer.
With four quality additions at these positions, Texans offense would receive a much needed boost.

Defense:-
CB - Bouye will obviously take the money so a CB replacement will be needed. This is a deep draft for DB's and they are expensive in FA so the draft is the best place to get one. JJoe could be playing his last season in '17.
ILB - a high priority as Cushing likely plays his final season in '17.

Texans also need a veteran's experience at WR - Wes Welker may offer enough from the training aspect, but another older statesman (inexpensive, hopefully) may help our young receiver corp.

You obviously did not see this post earlier in the thread so here it is again for your perusal.
Every team has holes with cap issues forcing top talent to look for greener pastures and players retiring.
This time for us it is AJ Bouye who will likely be gone. He is just another example over the last ten years of Texans history.

 

[Texian]

Avg to below avg at the draft.

Where he's really missed is in FA and contracts like the Cushing contract.

Think whatever you want but under Smith's tenure the Texans have never been true SB contenders and wont be unless the way they evaluate/obtain players changes.

I don't think the Texans will be Super Bowl contenders as long as Bob McNair insist on using his Cogen Boardroom Business Plan.

 

[JB]

The two biggest issues (taking QB out of the discussion) I see is the lack of depth pretty much everywhere (some due to injuries/illness, others due to poor drafting) and versatility. If they are able, they should draft Jabrill Peppers in round one. He is one of the most versatile players in this draft. CBS Sports compares him to Troy Polamalu. I'd take that!

As for Bouye, Smith should have tagged him. He's going to make that much money wherever he goes; should have been here but he's going to be elsewhere. When you have a young improving to possibly being a shut down corner, don't let him enter FA Rick!. This is going to haunt the Texans for a long time, I believe.

I think that Bouye, if he leaves, will find out much like Josh Norman that the money ain't all that. He ain't as good without the front 7 of the Texans. Let him go to the Browns and see if he's still a top corner

 

[otisbean]

I don't think the Texans will be Super Bowl contenders as long as Bob McNair insist on using his Cogen Boardroom Business Plan.

I think the boardroom plan can work just fine IF (and this is a big if) the coach and GM can get on the same page. The boardroom plan put together a truly excellent draft in 06 because Casserly and Kubiak work well together. Smith and BOB haven't gelled as of yet. I've lost confidence in Smith. I'd like to see what BOB can do with a GM that he can work well with.

 

[steelbtexan]

I think the boardroom plan can work just fine IF (and this is a big if) the coach and GM can get on the same page. The boardroom plan put together a truly excellent draft in 06 because Casserly and Kubiak work well together. Smith and BOB haven't gelled as of yet. I've lost confidence in Smith. I'd like to see what BOB can do with a GM that he can work well with.

15 yrs of the boardroom plan hasn't worked.

I would like to see BOB with his handpicked GM but you know Ricky McNair aint leaving anytime soon. Bob McNair wouldn't fire family.

 

[banned1976]

I think that Bouye, if he leaves, will find out much like Josh Norman that the money ain't all that. He ain't as good without the front 7 of the Texans. Let him go to the Browns and see if he's still a top corner

The thing is, Bouye (like Norman) can choose his destination. There are 5 playoff teams that needs help at the CB position. Teams like Dallas, Oakland and Seattle. Dallas can't afford him, Seattle has a little more cap space than the Texans, Oakland can definitely afford him.

 

[JB]

The thing is, Bouye (like Norman) can choose his destination. There are 5 playoff teams that needs help at the CB position. Teams like Dallas, Oakland and Seattle. Dallas can't afford him, Seattle has a little more cap space than the Texans, Oakland can definitely afford him.

My point was that while he did have a very good 1 year for us, how he will look in a new system as a high dollar free agent is unknown. I don't think he's a proven CB at this point and anyone that pays him #1 CB money based off of 1 year is gambling much like we did with Os and the Redskins did with Norman. Oakland's defense is nowhere near the level the Texans were at. Do you think Bouye could shine there?

 

[jradMIT]

The Combine group on the NFL network was just discussing that since this CB and safety group is so talented and deep that the CB market won't be nearly as fruitful as thought. It makes sense why pay Bouye 12M when you can get a very good talented corner in the third. Use that money to pay some O-lineman.

 

[gs27]

Let Bouye walk. We need to cash in on this DB class. Melifonwu - 6'-4", 224lbs, 4.40, 44" vert, 11'-9" broad, are you kidding me? Adoree Jackson is going to be an absolute stub. Maybe Hooker drops, Budda Baker, Lattimore, Peppers, Conley

Give me one of these DBs in the 1st round!

 

[jradMIT]

Let Bouye walk. We need to cash in on this DB class. Melifonwu - 6'-4", 224lbs, 4.40, 44" vert, 11'-9" broad, are you kidding me? Adoree Jackson is going to be an absolute stub. Maybe Hooker drops, Budda Baker, Lattimore, Peppers, Conley

Give me one of these DBs in the 1st round!

I know its ridiculous this year Kazee, Moreau, Sutton, Williams, King, Awuzem, Witherspoon the list goes on. I love Bouye and his game, but there is absolutely no reason to pay him 12M a year with all of these db's available. Honestly it wouldn't be crazy to get 3 db's in this draft a slot guy, an outside guy, and a safety.

 

[banned1976]

My point was that while he did have a very good 1 year for us, how he will look in a new system as a high dollar free agent is unknown. I don't think he's a proven CB at this point and anyone that pays him #1 CB money based off of 1 year is gambling much like we did with Os and the Redskins did with Norman. Oakland's defense is nowhere near the level the Texans were at. Do you think Bouye could shine there?

Understood.

I don't know if he could shine in Oakland, probably not. He'd do well in Seattle though, and the Seahawks are a better team than the Texans.

And also look at this. The Texans defense was 25th in sacks with 31. Dallas actually had more sacks (36) than the Texans. Oakland was last with 25, Seattle was 3rd with 42. I don't have the stats for hurries, that would be the best measurement to gauge what kind of individual success Bouye might have elsewhere. That's kind of what you're asking me so giving you a definitive answer is not possible. Myself, if it were me, I'd go to the best TEAM that makes a reasonable offer even if it means taking less money than I'd get going to a crap team. We'll find out what he thinks about the team here in Houston

I read the other recent posts on the subject of corners in the draft but most rookie corners struggle their first year in the NFL. So for a team like the Seahawks, Bouye would make more sense than a rookie. Just my opinion.

It all depends on what Bouye really wants. If he wants the life long comfort that money brings he'll go to the highest bidder. I know his agent will steer him in that direction. If he wants a good chance at getting a ring, he'll have to weigh his options. He'll definitely get plenty of offers.

 

[jradMIT]

Understood.

I don't know if he could shine in Oakland, probably not. He'd do well in Seattle though, and the Seahawks are a better team than the Texans.

And also look at this. The Texans defense was 25th in sacks with 31. Dallas actually had more sacks (36) than the Texans. Oakland was last with 25, Seattle was 3rd with 42. I don't have the stats for hurries, that would be the best measurement to gauge what kind of individual success Bouye might have elsewhere. That's kind of what you're asking me so giving you a definitive answer is not possible. Myself, if it where me, I'd go to the best TEAM that makes a reasonable offer even if it means taking less money than I'd get going to a crap team. We'll find out what he thinks about the team here in Houston

I read the other recent posts on the subject of corners in the draft but rookie corners struggle their first year in the NFL. So for a team like the Seahawks, Bouye would make more sense than a rookie. Just my opinion.

It all depends on what Bouye really wants. If he wants the life long comfort that money brings he'll go to the highest bidder. I know his agent will steer him in that direction. If he wants a good chance at getting a ring, he'll have to weigh his options. He'll definitely get plenty of offers.

Texans were roughly as bad in hurries I believe they were around 21st or so.

 

[gs27]

I would be happy drafting all TEs and DBs. O-Line and QB are our biggest needs but both classes suck.

Mr McNair, Please let your football guys make football decisions. No ultimatums on the draft, the fans will keep coming.

I have been harping on the need to draft O-Line for years but now that it is finally becoming a glaring need, we have a draft class with literally no talent. It is a great year for FAs, grab a couple guys who have been consistent players.

I have been really high on Jordan Willis and now he proved not only was he the best on the field, but he is also the most athletic edge rusher not slotted as the #1 pick. If he is available in the 2nd we need to put him opposite of Mercilus.

Robert Davis is a freak. I wouldn't be to worried about losing Hopkins if we found a way to land Davis.

Bucky Hodges, George Kittle and Jake Butt are all going to be steals at TE.

Please, don't overdraft QB or O-Line!

 

[banned1976]

Texans were roughly as bad in hurries I believe they were around 21st or so.

OK, thanks.

 

[Mollywhopper]

O-Line and QB are our biggest needs but both classes suck.

I don't think Garret Bolles, Ryan Ramczyk, Cam Robinson, Forrest Lamp, Dan Feeney, Pat Mahomes, or Nathan Peterman suck..

The net grade of the class doesn't have to take away from the potential peaks.

 

[jradMIT]

If the talented positions of the the draft this year are CB, Saftey, Edge, TE, and RB. That what the Texans should be drafting. Fill holes in FA. There is a very good market for guards. Pay for a RT. Then there won't be glaring needs that have to be addressed. Draft the BPA, if Willis is there in the 2nd it should be a no brainer.

 

[jradMIT]

If the talented positions of the the draft this year are CB, Saftey, Edge, TE, and RB. That what the Texans should be drafting. Fill holes in FA. IF there is a QB or OT that fall, great, but don't reach. There is a very good market for guards. Pay for a RT in FA. Then there won't be glaring needs that have to be addressed. Draft the BPA, if Willis is there in the 2nd it should be a no brainer.

 

[banned1976]

I would be happy drafting all TEs and DBs. O-Line and QB are our biggest needs but both classes suck.

Mr McNair, Please let your football guys make football decisions. No ultimatums on the draft, the fans will keep coming.

I have been harping on the need to draft O-Line for years but now that it is finally becoming a glaring need, we have a draft class with literally no talent. It is a great year for FAs, grab a couple guys who have been consistent players.

I have been really high on Jordan Willis and now he proved not only was he the best on the field, but he is also the most athletic edge rusher not slotted as the #1 pick. If he is available in the 2nd we need to put him opposite of Mercilus.

Robert Davis is a freak. I wouldn't be to worried about losing Hopkins if we found a way to land Davis.

Bucky Hodges, George Kittle and Jake Butt are all going to be steals at TE.

Please, don't overdraft QB or O-Line!

Who are you looking at. These are the top ones I've found:

Kevin Zeitler
TJ Lang
Andrew Whitworth
Riley Reiff
Larry Warford
Ricky Wagner

Because this draft is weak on the OL, I don't know who the Texans could afford. I like your idea (except I'd add ILB in the draft) but the Texans don't have the cap space to afford a couple of good linemen in FA.

 

[banned1976]

I don't think Garret Bolles, Ryan Ramczyk, Cam Robinson, Forrest Lamp, Dan Feeney, Pat Mahomes, or Nathan Peterman suck..

The net grade of the class doesn't have to take away from the potential peaks.

I really like Garret Bolles. My favorite offensive lineman in the draft.

 

[gs27]

I don't think Garret Bolles, Ryan Ramczyk, Cam Robinson, Forrest Lamp, Dan Feeney, Pat Mahomes, or Nathan Peterman suck..

The net grade of the class doesn't have to take away from the potential peaks.

There is not a name you listed I would take in the 1st round. Not with the talent you could get at other positions. I really want to like some 1st round O-Line prospects but the talent just isn't there. Footwork drills were pretty bad across the board. Most years Bolles would not even make Mayocks top 5 list.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Who are you looking at. These are the top ones I've found:

Kevin Zeitler
TJ Lang
Andrew Whitworth
Riley Reiff
Larry Warford
Ricky Wagner

Because this draft is weak on the OL, I don't know who the Texans could afford. I like your idea (except I'd add ILB in the draft) but the Texans don't have the cap space to afford a couple of good linemen in FA.

Zeitler, Lang, and Warford are all considered to be in the upper echelon and they're not past 30 yet, I believe. Wagner is supposed to be a good RT, Okung appears to be available, even Whitworth is better than a Newton/Clark combination.

 

[Mollywhopper]

There is not a name you listed I would take in the 1st round. Not with the talent you could get at other positions. I really want to like some 1st round O-Line prospects but the talent just isn't there. Footwork drills were pretty bad across the board. Most years Bolles would not even make Mayocks top 5 list.

Thrilled to disagree.

Cheers.

 

[gs27]

Who are you looking at. These are the top ones I've found:

Kevin Zeitler
TJ Lang
Andrew Whitworth
Riley Reiff
Larry Warford
Ricky Wagner

Because this draft is weak on the OL, I don't know who the Texans could afford. I like your idea (except I'd add ILB in the draft) but the Texans don't have the cap space to afford a couple of good linemen in FA.

I like all those guys! Rare this much talent gets to FA. We could afford to pick up a couple of these guys if that is all we go after in FA, which in my opinion it should be. We can draft for all other needs and roll with what we have at QB IMO.

 

[jradMIT]

Who are you looking at. These are the top ones I've found:

Kevin Zeitler
TJ Lang
Andrew Whitworth
Riley Reiff
Larry Warford
Ricky Wagner

Because this draft is weak on the OL, I don't know who the Texans could afford. I like your idea (except I'd add ILB in the draft) but the Texans don't have the cap space to afford a couple of good linemen in FA.

Throw in Ronald Leary as a guy who will be a plus starter. Vollmer is good as well but with health concerns. Also a like Luke Joeckel who could be a good backup because he can play guard and tackle. There are also some reclamation projects out there with guys like Kalil, Womack, Andre Smith, Okung, Clady, Long, Beachum etc.

 

[otisbean]

15 yrs of the boardroom plan hasn't worked.

I would like to see BOB with his handpicked GM but you know Ricky McNair aint leaving anytime soon. Bob McNair wouldn't fire family.

Let's be fair, we were an expansion team so let's cut a some of the early years off. Then we basically get to Smith. I don't think he's the worst GM, but he's very average and it certainly seems like there must be some disconnect between he and BOB. There's too much smoke for there not to be. I think ALOT of our problems will go improve with new GM and better drafting.

 

[steelbtexan]

Let's be fair, we were an expansion team so let's cut a some of the early years off. Then we basically get to Smith. I don't think he's the worst GM, but he's very average and it certainly seems like there must be some disconnect between he and BOB. There's too much smoke for there not to be. I think ALOT of our problems will go improve with new GM and better drafting.

Agreed

The disconnect between Ricky McNair and BOB is that you're correct Ricky is avg at best and avg isn't good enough for BOB. IMHO

Unfortunately avg is good enough for the McNair's as long as the stadium continues to be full on Sundays.