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What about Tyrod Taylor at QB

While I wouldn't hate it, I wouldn't love it either. I'm not sure Tyrod Taylor is a big enough splash to wipe the Osweiler mess off their face.
 
Tie Rod Taylor? Is that sorta like Hacksaw Reynolds? Not such a great idea, but viable if he comes cheap for a year. Better idea: We draft 2 this year and another next year if we don't hit.
 
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TheMatrix31 said:
Bill O'Brien isn't good enough to use that guy properly.
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SOOOO True, he isn't good nor open minded enough to try it. Buffalo's offense averaged 24.5 ppg when he at QB. You can design an offense around him to be effective enough to win with this defense. Problem is BOB is so set in his ways that he wouldn't even entertain the offer.
 
brad77 said:
If we could get him on the cheap to play till there are better options at QB in the draft. Threw for over 3000yds last 2 seasons with over 500+yards rushing and 20+ TDs with an avg around 8 turnovers . Word is the Bills are in cap hell and may cut him.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrodtaylor/2495240/profile
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I think it would be a great idea because he is experienced, gives us a dual threat doesn't turn the ball over, is healthy, good deep ball thrower, he us used to speed( sammy Watkins, shady mccoy, the oline troubles will be masked by he mobility, im sure he can make short passes, wont need him to do much. It would be a good option imo but we all know BOB will not use him correctly and would only see 1 or 2 option plays and he'll use him on a qb draw on 3 and 11
 
Rocketzzz13 said:
I think it would be a great idea because he is experienced, gives us a dual threat doesn't turn the ball over, is healthy, good deep ball thrower, he us used to speed( sammy Watkins, shady mccoy, the oline troubles will be masked by he mobility, im sure he can make short passes, wont need him to do much. It would be a good option imo but we all know BOB will not use him correctly and would only see 1 or 2 option plays and he'll use him on a qb draw on 3 and 11
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Really?
 
Im not saying he is a potential long term fix to our problem. I see him as a viable option if he comes at the right price. If we are going to bring in another QB it has to be someone who is ready to play now. I want it to be someone who has a legitimate shot at starting. It sucks that we owe Assweiller another year and i dont think this years draft class has what we need. I believe Taylor can make plays with his feet and he takes care of the ball. He has the ability to extend plays because of his mobility. I don't know if BOB would use him correctly and i understand that argument but at least we know that this free agent does not come with a laundry list of health issues that someone lke Romo has. Just a thought.
 
Im not saying he is a potential long term fix to our problem. I see him as a viable option if he comes at the right price. If we are going to bring in another QB it has to be someone who is ready to play now. I want it to be someone who has a legitimate shot at starting. It sucks that we owe Assweiller another year and i dont think this years draft class has what we need. I believe Taylor can make plays with his feet and he takes care of the ball. He has the ability to extend plays because of his mobility. I don't know if BOB would use him correctly and i understand that argument but at least we know that this free agent does not come with a laundry list of health issues that someone lke Romo has. Just a thought.
 
Tyrod is looking to make ~$16M this season in Buffalo; ~$17M the next few years. If he gets cut, why would he take a cheap deal to come here? I'm not seeing it. With what we're currently paying out at the QB position the draft is the most likliest of places we'll bring in another body...short of Tom Brady saying he suddenly wants to come play here. In that case you make the money happen.
 
PapaL said:
Tyrod is looking to make ~$16M this season in Buffalo; ~$17M the next few years. If he gets cut, why would he take a cheap deal to come here? I'm not seeing it. With what we're currently paying out at the QB position the draft is the most likliest of places we'll bring in another body...short of Tom Brady saying he suddenly wants to come play here. In that case you make the money happen.
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Sometimes players have no choice unless they wanna stay home. Plus i would not even go to cleveland or another dysfunctional team like the 9ers.... Well then again thell be so desperate I'll be rich:evilb:like someone we know...
 
PapaL said:
Tyrod is looking to make ~$16M this season in Buffalo; ~$17M the next few years. If he gets cut, why would he take a cheap deal to come here? I'm not seeing it. With what we're currently paying out at the QB position the draft is the most likliest of places we'll bring in another body...short of Tom Brady saying he suddenly wants to come play here. In that case you make the money happen.
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Sounds like a lot but that is the going rate nowadays for a starter.
 
jradMIT said:
SOOOO True, he isn't good nor open minded enough to try it. Buffalo's offense averaged 24.5 ppg when he at QB. You can design an offense around him to be effective enough to win with this defense. Problem is BOB is so set in his ways that he wouldn't even entertain the offer.
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Hence why I still don't think Os is primarily to blame for his struggles. Os looked good enough last season during training camp and was not so innacurate in the first two games of the season. Two games mind you when GG was primarily responsible for calling the offense.

All I can say is I am willing to give both O'b and Os another chance to see if they can do better. I don't think Os is as bad as we saw him last season and I am holding out hope O'b can do a better job calling the offense next season. With or without Os as the starter.

I am all for not writing off Os and letting him compete fairly with whoever else we have at Qb to see who deserves to start.

Os was not so bad under Gary Kubiak for a fair share of games. Yes, he was strugling in his game with the Chargers when he was pulled. A game in which he looked more like the mess we saw from him with our Texans most of the season. Still up to that point he was doing a fairly good job. Kubiak was so danged conservative and predictiable that the only things saving that team was a defense that more or less carried the team with or without Os. The same can be said for our teams defense which managed to carry an awful qb and offense to the playoffs almost exclusively.

As you seen, another season of a bad Kubiak offense and the Broncos didn't even make the playoffs. Trevor Siemien was like most quarterbacks late in Kubiaks coaching tenure. He started out better than expected than faded.

I am all for anyone feeling Os is awful because more times than not last season he was not good but still I myself am not writing him off outright. I am all about drafting a Qb for next season and letting the Qb's on our team have a fair competition.

I am not too excited about any Qb excelling under O'b if we see more of the same from him calling the shots next season as he did last season. The Qb's will all have their strengths and weaknesses but if O'b is the same next season we will all be discussing our Qb's weaknesses. I think if another Qb comes in and it's apparent that the defense is carrying the team we will know where to place the blame.
 
PapaL said:
Do I see him taking vet min to come here? Not a chance. Someone will give him what market value is.
Would I swap Os for Tyrod straight up? Yup.
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Rumors are that Cleveland likes him, any FA qb brought in will have to play for an incentive laden deal and closer to 10M a year.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Hence why I still don't think Os is primarily to blame for his struggles. Os looked good enough last season during training camp and was not so innacurate in the first two games of the season. Two games mind you when GG was primarily responsible for calling the offense.

All I can say is I am willing to give both O'b and Os another chance to see if they can do better. I don't think Os is as bad as we saw him last season and I am holding out hope O'b can do a better job calling the offense next season. With or without Os as the starter.

I am all for not writing off Os and letting him compete fairly with whoever else we have at Qb to see who deserves to start.

Os was not so bad under Gary Kubiak for a fair share of games. Yes, he was strugling in his game with the Chargers when he was pulled. A game in which he looked more like the mess we saw from him with our Texans most of the season. Still up to that point he was doing a fairly good job. Kubiak was so danged conservative and predictiable that the only things saving that team was a defense that more or less carried the team with or without Os. The same can be said for our teams defense which managed to carry an awful qb and offense to the playoffs almost exclusively.

As you seen, another season of a bad Kubiak offense and the Broncos didn't even make the playoffs. Trevor Siemien was like most quarterbacks late in Kubiaks coaching tenure. He started out better than expected than faded.

I am all for anyone feeling Os is awful because more times than not last season he was not good but still I myself am not writing him off outright. I am all about drafting a Qb for next season and letting the Qb's on our team have a fair competition.

I am not too excited about any Qb excelling under O'b if we see more of the same from him calling the shots next season as he did last season. The Qb's will all have their strengths and weaknesses but if O'b is the same next season we will all be discussing our Qb's weaknesses. I think if another Qb comes in and it's apparent that the defense is carrying the team we will know where to place the blame.
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Blame BOB all you want and I'm not saying BOB's blameless, but with a QB as inaccurate as Os is the offense looked like BOB didn't trust Os.

I cant blame BOB for that. Os was really bad last yr and even if he improved and BOB learned to trust Os, Os still wouldn't be good enough to win a SB.
 
steelbtexan said:
Blame BOB all you want and I'm not saying BOB's blameless, but with a QB as inaccurate as Os is the offense looked like BOB didn't trust Os.

I cant blame BOB for that. Os was really bad last yr and even if he improved and BOB learned to trust Os, Os still wouldn't be good enough to win a SB.
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We will just agree to disagree.

Sometimes being a good leader means knowing the pieces you have to work with and trying to make things work based on that. If after trying and you fail then you at least know what needs to happen going forward.
 
I know its the offseason, and all we have to do is speculate, but the Texans are not going to bring in another established QB. It's going to be Asswater, Savage, and whoever they draft at QB next year. It sucks, and I hate it, but it is what it is. :rake:
 
Taylor just underwent what the team reported was "core" injury surgery........translated "sports hernia" surgery. His dual threat could be significantly lessened.......and you need a healthy "core" in order pass hard and long. How his rehab goes, goes his immediate future.
 
The question to ask is Tyrod Taylor good enough to win two more regular season games and/or beat the Steelers and Patriots probably on the road?
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
We will just agree to disagree.

Sometimes being a good leader means knowing the pieces you have to work with and trying to make things work based on that. If after trying and you fail then you at least know what needs to happen going forward.
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He did know what he had to work with.

A great defense and a crap QB.

How do you win with that combo? Run the ball and let the defense win games for you. What happens when you deviate from this formula? Foxboro happens
 
False Start said:
I know its the offseason, and all we have to do is speculate, but the Texans are not going to bring in another established QB. It's going to be Asswater, Savage, and whoever they draft at QB next year. It sucks, and I hate it, but it is what it is. :rake:
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This

And the annual 6% ticket hike, with no chance at competing for a SB again. Then you can expect another 6% hike in 2018 and another 6% hike in 2019 when they finally have a chance to win a SB if they finally get the QB thing right.
 
I think if you were to ask Sammy Watkins, in private, if he enjoyed playing with Taylor, he'd tell you "hell no." I watched Watkins get open time and time again only to not even be looked at by Taylor and Watkins is by far their best playmaker at receiver. Taylor often disregards an entire side of the field and holds the ball entirely too long in the process. It's difficult to watch. I felt bad for Sammy Watkins, honestly. That guy deserves better. There's a reason the Bills aren't jumping up and down about having him in their building.

He's better than Brock Osweiler, but he's not going to take a team anywhere of significance. I get that we just don't want to see Brock anymore, but I vote atleast taking a shot on someone who may develop into something special. Let's stop hoping a guy like Fitz, Hoyer, Weeden, Taylor, etc can actually accomplish something of importance here.

We are going to have 2 of the 3 current QBs on the roster this year. That leaves room for one addition and it better be a damn rookie.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The question to ask is Tyrod Taylor good enough to win two more regular season games and/or beat the Steelers and Patriots probably on the road?
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texan279 said:
And the answer is no lol...
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Well .... AssWiper was pretty damn bad .... if his replacement could just be Not Bad , simply something approaching average ..... that would be a massive improvement over the worst starting quarterback in the league.

Is Average Vs the Worst in the NFL worth 1-2 games or a playoff road win ??? I don't know ....
 
TexansSeminole said:
We are going to have 2 of the 3 current QBs on the roster this year. That leaves room for one addition and it better be a damn rookie.
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I dunno about that .... Weeden is as good as gone , he costs $5m to keep but no dead money to cut.

Brock ... We are stuck with.

Savage I could see it going either way , so many scenarios ....

1) They draft a QB early with the intention of him taking over sooner than later , Savage is gone.

2) They draft one later , 4-6th round Savage sticks around as the backup .... unless they are really confident in that rookie.

3) They pick up a Vet to play ahead of AssWiper - Savage is probably gone

4) They draft one and sign a vet .... Bye Bye Savage. , AssWiper and his albatross of a contract wont be getting cut.
 
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I think they'll keep Savage. No real reason to cut him unless you have a chance to add a vet after you've drafted a young QB
 
Let's be a little bit serious. Bill OBrien & Co are not likely to do anything interesting at the QB in this off season. BO'B doesn't have the imagination to do anything interesting even if Tyrod were available and even moderately interesting himself. OBrien is going to stick to his glum offense no matter what and live or die with it, as are we. That means OZ, Savage and a rookie. Period. End of discussion. Anybody else brought in and OBrien would have to alter the offense. Not only does he not want to, odds are that he is not capable of changing it. This is why some of us were hoping that the Powers That Be might insist that we get a real OC this off season.
 
TripleTap said:
Let's be a little bit serious. Bill OBrien & Co are not likely to do anything interesting at the QB in this off season. BO'B doesn't have the imagination to do anything interesting even if Tyrod were available and even moderately interesting himself. OBrien is going to stick to his glum offense no matter what and live or die with it, as are we. That means OZ, Savage and a rookie. Period. End of discussion. Anybody else brought in and OBrien would have to alter the offense. Not only does he not want to, odds are that he is not capable of changing it. This is why some of us were hoping that the Powers That Be might insist that we get a real OC this off season.
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And how would a "real" OC change who OB decides to have on the roster? Or what offense to run? Why would he have to alter his system just because a new OC was brought in? Or is this the whole McNair will hire an OC and force OB to change his system fantasy?
 
TexansSeminole said:
I think if you were to ask Sammy Watkins, in private, if he enjoyed playing with Taylor, he'd tell you "hell no." I watched Watkins get open time and time again only to not even be looked at by Taylor and Watkins is by far their best playmaker at receiver. Taylor often disregards an entire side of the field and holds the ball entirely too long in the process. It's difficult to watch. I felt bad for Sammy Watkins, honestly. That guy deserves better. There's a reason the Bills aren't jumping up and down about having him in their building.

He's better than Brock Osweiler, but he's not going to take a team anywhere of significance. I get that we just don't want to see Brock anymore, but I vote atleast taking a shot on someone who may develop into something special. Let's stop hoping a guy like Fitz, Hoyer, Weeden, Taylor, etc can actually accomplish something of importance here.

We are going to have 2 of the 3 current QBs on the roster this year. That leaves room for one addition and it better be a damn rookie.
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This has been a very apparent flaw in his game. Last year alone, Taylor was 29th in the League in being sacked.....46 total translating to ~3 sacks per game.
 
TexansSeminole said:
... Let's stop hoping a guy like Fitz, Hoyer, Weeden, Taylor, etc can actually accomplish something of importance here.

We are going to have 2 of the 3 current QBs on the roster this year. That leaves.
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The problem I have with this is that we haven't seen Weeden on the field in a Texans' uniform, except for the two games in 2015, both of which he won.

The organization made a huge financial investment in Osweiler and he was the starter from day one. Period.

If Weeden goes into training camp, I believe this year will be a true competition.

The Texans need to find their future QB, but we still have the short term problem of finding an interim QB, certainly for 2017 and maybe 2018. Everyone writes off Weeden, but I believe he has the potential to fill this need as well as anyone else who is available.
 
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And how would a "real" OC change who OB decides to have on the roster? Or what offense to run? Why would he have to alter his system just because a new OC was brought in? Or is this the whole McNair will hire an OC and force OB to change his system fantasy?
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I think even within a certain scheme there are derivations that can be done to maximize a Qb's strength and minimize his weaknesses. I think OB has it in his mind the kind of QB he wants, which seems to be a narrower criteria than some others. He would rather stick to the plan than improvise with a different type of guy. As opposed to Kubiak who seemed to not have a set criteria for QB. I don't think its necessarily bad, but when you don't have many options it might be prudent to be more flexible.
 
jradMIT said:
I think even within a certain scheme there are derivations that can be done to maximize a Qb's strength and minimize his weaknesses. I think OB has it in his mind the kind of QB he wants, which seems to be a narrower criteria than some others. He would rather stick to the plan than improvise with a different type of guy. As opposed to Kubiak who seemed to not have a set criteria for QB. I don't think its necessarily bad, but when you don't have many options it might be prudent to be more flexible.
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Fair point. I just don't think that he would have brought anyone in who would not have worked within his system, flexible or not. TT has started more than one thread about his distain for OB's offense, but it is silly to think/hope that McNair was going to force an OC/system on OB.
 
steelbtexan said:
He did know what he had to work with.

A great defense and a crap QB.

How do you win with that combo? Run the ball and let the defense win games for you. What happens when you deviate from this formula? Foxboro happens
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I really don't care who starts as long as the Qb's all compete for the job as starter. If that happens I am all for whoever wins. I would hope that O'b would not deviate from what he wants to do if he indeed was calling offenses the way he was due to not having a Qb he trusted.

I do feel that Os is much better than what we saw last season but that's just me.
 
sandman said:
Fair point. I just don't think that he would have brought anyone in who would not have worked within his system...
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This thought has crossed my mind as regards Weeden. Was Weeden a Rick Smith signing and did OB approve of the signing? Of course, after signing Osweiler, the starter was set. As a Weeden supporter, my question is: just where does Weeden fit into OB's thought processes going into this off season.
 
The Bills' first offensive play of the 2016 season has a chance to define it. Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods lined up the left. No safety to that side of the field. Watkins runs a few yards and stops, Woods sprints deep. Watkins' defender backs off, leaving Watkins alone; Woods' defender ignores Woods and focuses on Taylor and LeSean McCoy.

Smart move because Taylor, who looks to his right at the snap, checks down to McCoy and never sees the wide-open Watkins or, worse, the wide-open-for-a-probable-touchdown Woods. The protection was good enough.

McCoy catches the ball and is surrounded, then crunched to the ground for a measly 2-yard gain.

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This dinky McCoy pass on the first play of the season is maddening on many levels, including that IT'S THE FIRST PLAY OF THE SEASON. Watkins should of course be the focus of the offense, and the season begins as last year's did, with him being ignored. And of course Woods is a free touchdown.
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So, of course, the Bills – not just Tyrod Taylor – rank dead last in passing. They don't do it. And I haven't even gotten into how their receiving corps has been staggering around like something out of "The Walking Dead."

JS: They don’t do it because they know Taylor’s not good at it. Rex Ryan practically said as much Monday in his postmortem of the loss to Oakland.

“We got to look, as coaches, what we’re asking our players to do,” Ryan said in response to a question about Taylor needing to take more accountability for the passing game’s failures. “Can they do it? I think that’s what you first start looking at. For some reason, (it’s) not getting done to where we need it to.”

That reason is the quarterback. Taylor has regressed as a passer.

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JS: Of course he doesn’t throw interceptions. That would require actually throwing the ball. Robust analytics website Pro Football Focus has clocked Taylor as having the most time in the NFL to throw, 3.03 seconds on average. It has also charged him with taking 12 sacks heading into Week 14, double any other quarterback in the NFL. That tells you he doesn't have a great feel for where to go with the ball and is hesitant to pull the trigger.

JS: Not at all, just that it’s idealistic to say “If we have all of our best players healthy all the time, he can be successful.” That doesn’t happen. Ideally, quarterbacks lift up receivers way more so than the other way around. There can be a pack mentality on Twitter during games as it pertains to Taylor’s maddening habit of missing open receivers, but you and I sit next to each other in the press box and see it for ourselves. The truth is, Taylor does not seem to use the entire field, missing receivers or tight ends (hi, Charles Clay) who are open.

JS: I’m with you that the position has been largely ignored in the draft for far too long, but that’s exactly what would continue if Taylor’s option was picked up. His salary, while not exorbitant by starting-quarterback standards, would nevertheless prevent the Bills from investing in a viable backup plan. It takes special skill to be in salary-cap jail and miss the playoffs, but that’s what the Bills have managed.
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His shortcomings are well documented and are not difficult to see when you watch him. He's in the Osweiler category as a passer, but maybe only slightly ahead. This argument that the Bills scored 24 points a game is laughable. Did you not watch the Bills? First off, they let opponents score 28 or more on them 7 times. When the Patriots are up 41-17, they let the Bills run down the field and that's what they do, they run the ball. The Bills threw the ball the least in 2016 and ran it the second most behind only the Cowboys. Their yards per rush was best in the league at 5.3 yards. They have an excellent starter and an excellent backup at RB. Tyrod Taylor is not helping them score 24 points a game, if anything he hindered that offense.

OB wouldn't have to change his offense for Tyrod Taylor. He'd miss open guys almost, if not as often as Osweiler. It doesn't matter what scheme you run if the QB is missing open receivers all the time.

Interesting tidbit at the end where the Bills' writer says that the QB position has been largely ignored in the draft for far too long. The Bills drafted a QB in the 1st round, EJ Manuel, in 2013. They took Cardale Jones in the 4th round in 2016.

Compare that to the Texans, who took Savage in the 4th round in 2014 and before that the last time they had taken a QB was Alex Brink in the 7th round in 2008. If Bills' fans and writers are saying that the Bills have ignored the QB position in the draft too long, what do you say about the Texans? Complete and utter failure? And you still have fans on here listing all the 1st round QBs and saying "well, who would you draft???" As if the 1st round is the only round that QBs are eligible to be drafted and that this trend is somehow defensible.
 
sandman said:
And how would a "real" OC change who OB decides to have on the roster? Or what offense to run? Why would he have to alter his system just because a new OC was brought in? Or is this the whole McNair will hire an OC and force OB to change his system fantasy?
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There are some coaches who let the Offensive Coordinator run the offense. On the other hand, as you suggest, OBrien is a megalomaniac and not likely one of those coaches, alas. So I guess the idea was that an OC might have helped adapting the O to the talent?
 
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Uncle Rico said:
While I wouldn't hate it, I wouldn't love it either. I'm not sure Tyrod Taylor is a big enough splash to wipe the Osweiler mess off their face.
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It will take an established veteran with something still in the tank to get rid of the OS smell. If Romo is cut, the Texans better grab him.
 
Number19 said:
This thought has crossed my mind as regards Weeden. Was Weeden a Rick Smith signing and did OB approve of the signing? Of course, after signing Osweiler, the starter was set. As a Weeden supporter, my question is: just where does Weeden fit into OB's thought processes going into this off season.
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He's likely the odd man out if they bring in another quarterback and who knows what that guy will make .... but Weeden's contract for the coming season is $5m , with no dead money if they cut him and I just cant see them carrying 4 QB's.
 
Corrosion said:
He's likely the odd man out if they bring in another quarterback and who knows what that guy will make .... but Weeden's contract for the coming season is $5m , with no dead money if they cut him and I just cant see them carrying 4 QB's.
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Weeden's contract, according to Spotrac, has him at $1.625mil, with no dead money, for 2017.
 
Corrosion said:
He's likely the odd man out if they bring in another quarterback and who knows what that guy will make .... but Weeden's contract for the coming season is $5m , with no dead money if they cut him and I just cant see them carrying 4 QB's.
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I can't get over the post season question and answer session when a reporter mentioned going into the off season with Osweiler and Savage at QB and OB interrupted him and made a point of saying that Weeden was one of the Texan QB's.

I don't see us going into the season with four QB's, but it is possible we go into training camp with four.
 
Number19 said:
I can't get over the post season question and answer session when a reporter mentioned going into the off season with Osweiler and Savage at QB and OB interrupted him and made a point of saying that Weeden was one of the Texan QB's.

I don't see us going into the season with four QB's, but it is possible we go into training camp with four.
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I would assume that the date Weeden's contract becomes guaranteed (if at all) would play a part in that .... Hell , maybe its Savage that's the odd man out but I cant see it being Asswiper , just too damn much money .... then again , if they cut him this year and don't designate him a June first cut he'll account for $25m in dead money THIS SEASON and nothing beyond.
 
If the Texans go out after another vet, they will make sure of it next time with someone they know is good.
It just depends on how determined they are.
 
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