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C J Beathard could very well be the QB the Texans will draft.

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76Texan

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Or at least one of them.

Why?

Kirk Ferentz, the Hawkeyes HC was with Belichick in Cleveland ( his first NFL job).

His son, Brian Ferentz was with the Patriots 2008-2011. He came to Iowa in 2012.

Even though the OC Greg Davis (2012-16) has no NFL affiliation, and runs a conversative balance pro-offense, it seems to me that it's more slanted toward the Patriots system, since it has no resemblance to the scheme under Mack Brown from where Davis stemmed from.

Brian was just named the new OC at Iowa to replace the retired Davis.

In another word, Beathard could be ready sooner than most, if not all QBs available in this draft.

I've seen him slinging the ball over 60 yards naturally, without a bug wind-up.
I've seen him making throw 47 yards down field while on the run toward the sideline without resetting his feet.

Both instances were replicated in the Senior Bowl game.
The guy has plenty of arm strength.

I've watched a ton of his game film to know that when he's off, it's not by much, for the vast majority of the time.

I know a lot of people don't see a helluva of upside, but I don't think this guy will last to our third round slot.

I will have no problem if the Texans take him in the second round.

Alex Smith, even a bit light, in the second round.
Heck, I can live with that behind this defense.
 
76Texan said:
Or at least one of them.

Why?

Kirk Ferentz, the Hawkeyes HC was with Belichick in Cleveland ( his first NFL job).

His son, Brian Ferentz was with the Patriots 2008-2011. He came to Iowa in 2012.

Even though the OC Greg Davis (2012-16) has no NFL affiliation, and runs a conversative balance pro-offense, it seems to me that it's more slanted toward the Patriots system, since it has no resemblance to the scheme under Mack Brown from where Davis stemmed from.

Brian was just named the new OC at Iowa to replace the retired Davis.

In another word, Beathard could be ready sooner than most, if not all QBs available in this draft.

I've seen him slinging the ball over 60 yards naturally, without a bug wind-up.
I've seen him making throw 47 yards down field while on the run toward the sideline without resetting his feet.

Both instances were replicated in the Senior Bowl game.
The guy has plenty of arm strength.

I've watched a ton of his game film to know that when he's off, it's not by much, for the vast majority of the time.

I know a lot of people don't see a helluva of upside, but I don't think this guy will last to our third round slot.

I will have no problem if the Texans take him in the second round.

Alex Smith, even a bit light, in the second round.
Heck, I can live with that behind this defense.
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I watched a couple of highlight videos and he looked good, but most guys do w/ highlights. From what I saw though, it looked like he throws well on the move - play action stuff. It wasn't as clear what his pocket presence is. Completion % is low though and #'s were down in '16 from '15 quite a bit -- any idea why?

The more I look at prospects, the more I think we can find a qb in the 3rd round. Hopefully I don't derail your thread straight off -- but I've been looking at D'Onta Foreman and think he would be a nice addition -- saw comparisons to Legarrett Blount. Seems like a thumper would be a nice addition to LMiller in our backfield -- I've seen his draft stock anywhere from 2nd to 4th round. Was thinking tackle 1st, Foreman 2nd and Peterman 3rd or another qb prospect -- maybe like Beathard. Thoughts?
 
76Texan said:
Or at least one of them.

Why?

Kirk Ferentz, the Hawkeyes HC was with Belichick in Cleveland ( his first NFL job).

His son, Brian Ferentz was with the Patriots 2008-2011. He came to Iowa in 2012.

Even though the OC Greg Davis (2012-16) has no NFL affiliation, and runs a conversative balance pro-offense, it seems to me that it's more slanted toward the Patriots system, since it has no resemblance to the scheme under Mack Brown from where Davis stemmed from.

Brian was just named the new OC at Iowa to replace the retired Davis.

In another word, Beathard could be ready sooner than most, if not all QBs available in this draft.

I've seen him slinging the ball over 60 yards naturally, without a bug wind-up.
I've seen him making throw 47 yards down field while on the run toward the sideline without resetting his feet.

Both instances were replicated in the Senior Bowl game.
The guy has plenty of arm strength.

I've watched a ton of his game film to know that when he's off, it's not by much, for the vast majority of the time.

I know a lot of people don't see a helluva of upside, but I don't think this guy will last to our third round slot.

I will have no problem if the Texans take him in the second round.

Alex Smith, even a bit light, in the second round.
Heck, I can live with that behind this defense.
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Kirk Ferentz runs one of the top ZBS in college along with Davis west coast passing attack. Neither of which Belichick has used.
 
The concepts are similar, spreading the field with the running game in tact.

One makes more use of the play action; which is what the Hawkeyes do.
Max said:
I watched a couple of highlight videos and he looked good, but most guys do w/ highlights. From what I saw though, it looked like he throws well on the move - play action stuff. It wasn't as clear what his pocket presence is. Completion % is low though and #'s were down in '16 from '15 quite a bit -- any idea why?

The more I look at prospects, the more I think we can find a qb in the 3rd round. Hopefully I don't derail your thread straight off -- but I've been looking at D'Onta Foreman and think he would be a nice addition -- saw comparisons to Legarrett Blount. Seems like a thumper would be a nice addition to LMiller in our backfield -- I've seen his draft stock anywhere from 2nd to 4th round. Was thinking tackle 1st, Foreman 2nd and Peterman 3rd or another qb prospect -- maybe like Beathard. Thoughts?
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As I often said, one needs to watch "the low lights" as well.
 
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Max said:
I watched a couple of highlight videos and he looked good, but most guys do w/ highlights. From what I saw though, it looked like he throws well on the move - play action stuff. It wasn't as clear what his pocket presence is. Completion % is low though and #'s were down in '16 from '15 quite a bit -- any idea why?

The more I look at prospects, the more I think we can find a qb in the 3rd round. Hopefully I don't derail your thread straight off -- but I've been looking at D'Onta Foreman and think he would be a nice addition -- saw comparisons to Legarrett Blount. Seems like a thumper would be a nice addition to LMiller in our backfield -- I've seen his draft stock anywhere from 2nd to 4th round. Was thinking tackle 1st, Foreman 2nd and Peterman 3rd or another qb prospect -- maybe like Beathard. Thoughts?
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To respond to your query, Iowa was most about a balance attack.

Then their Offensive line got hit real hard; they went through seven starting line up.

Beatheard missed his no. 1 receiver 4 games into the season and his no 1 TE shortly afterward.
Coaches fired, retired after the season; you know the drill.

I follow the news, but it's still all about the player.

I have no doubt that this guy is a better prospect than either Osweiler or Savage out of college.
I even pull up old game film of them to compare.

Beathard is consistency.
 
76Texan said:
Pray tell me

Bring some substances
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I guess the 6 degrees of Bill O'Brien game does not impress me. Your guy has done nothing in his career that would hint that he's a future NFL clipboard holder. Much less a draft choice. Could his contacts get him a tryout? Why not? But if O'Brien and Smith continue to bring in QB stiffs that can't play, they'll deserve the axe job they're bound to receive.
 
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infantrycak said:
Reading up on him he's getting ranked late to UDFA, nothing close to 2nd rd.
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It's still early in the process.
At any rate, Cody Kessler was rated between the 6th - UDFA, and he was drafted in the third round.

I would put Beathard in the third, too; however, a late second isn't a costly price to get a guy that has the consistency of Alex Smith.
 
Lucky said:
I guess the 6 degrees of Bill O'Brien game does not impress me. Your guy has done nothing in his career that would hint that he's a future NFL clipboard holder. Much less a draft choice. Could his contacts get him a tryout? Why not? But if O'Brien and Smith continue to bring in QB stiffs that can't play, they'll deserve the axe job they're bound to receive.
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How about an undefeated season in the Big Ten in 2015. 12-0
How many guys can do that?
 
His grandfather, Bobby Beathard, was a former GM whose teams had been to the Super Bowl seven times, winning four of them.
One of his uncle is the OC at Illinois St.
Another uncle works as an NFL scout.
So he does have a football bloodline.
 
Lucky said:
Braxton Miller did it. The Texans have him already.
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What does Braxton Miller has to do with this?
He was deemed to better suited to play receiver at the NFL level, which he should be good at when he gets healthy again.
 
76Texan said:
What does Braxton Miller has to do with this?
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You asked about QBs who went undefeated in the Big 10 and I answered. Craig Krenzel also did it. Tom Brady did not do it. Maybe the Texans should only look for QBs that did not go undefeated in the Big 10?
 
steelbtexan said:
God, I hope not
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You might want to look at him again.
As I had mentioned in a different thread, many of his interceptions are not on him.

This year, I saw 2 when he was hit when the offensive linemen whiffed right off the bat.
You can see them on ESPN game by game video highlights.
(N. Dakota St., Fla St.)
You can't blame the QB for these; he was already in motion throwing the ball, there's no way he can see the defender.
The important thing is that he was getting the ball within the allotted time, not late.
Beathard does not hold on to the ball too long like Savage did, or like Osweiler still does once in a while;
and Beathard has a short quick set up as well as a compact delivery.

On another interception, the receiver fell down (Penn St).
Same thing; another INT was due to the WR falling down against Fla. St.
On yet another, the bigger, taller receiver lost the 50/50 battle to a smaller, shorter receiver; that would not have happened with Hopkins. (Minnesota)
The receiver ran a post route; he had plenty of time to adjust to the ball, which was in the air over for 50 yards.
He drifted too far to the left and couldn't gain a better position. That's not the fault of the QB either.

Again Michigan, the receiver caught the ball with two hands, but allowed the DB to rip it off him for an INT; what can the QB do?

That's 6 INTs that weren't on him.

I also saw at least 5 passes (I don't have all full games so there might be more) that could have been TDs had the receivers not drop them.
They are easy ball to catch, not the type like the one Fuller dropped as he had to run full speed.
There are others "could-have-been"; for example when the ball was caught, but the receiver couldn't keep his feet inbound (the ball was right there).
Another was caught, but the receiver couldn't sustain the hit (the ball was right there, too).
 
Lucky said:
You asked about QBs who went undefeated in the Big 10 and I answered. Craig Krenzel also did it. Tom Brady did not do it. Maybe the Texans should only look for QBs that did not go undefeated in the Big 10?
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And Krenzel got drafted.
 
Also, Beathard scored 10 TD on the ground in 40 games.

Like I said, he doesn't hold on to the ball.
If it's not there, he would pull up and run; and he had converted many third downs doing so.
 
I've been restudying Mitch Trubisky, and now I'm not sure he's a better prospect than Beathard.
The furthest I've seen Trubisky throw the ball is about 57-58 yards in the air, against James Madison.
That's about 4 yards shorter than I've seen Beathard do it. He doesn't seem to have the same zip on the ball like Beathard.

When you put Iowa's strength of schedule next to UNC's, Beathard also won out, not to mention that overall, his opponents' overall strength were against the pass.
Then you look at the game films, seeing that Beathard was under pressure much more; he's got to be the QB that got hit and pressured within 3 seconds the most among the prospects this year.
On the other hand, the Mitch at times had all day in the pocket, even though it's true that he's slithery and shifty almost like Manziel.

Georgia, Virginia Tech, Miami, Stanford are the main games where you can see a lot of poor-to-bad throws.
Forget that he has a clean pocket more often and that his receivers can get open very well (that Switzer guy is like a mini-Welker, and Proelh is currently rated 11 for the 2018 draft.)

I'm now putting Beathard in the top 4 or 5 prospects for this year.
 
76Texan said:
I've been restudying Mitch Trubisky, and now I'm not sure he's a better prospect than Beathard.
The furthest I've seen Trubisky throw the ball is about 57-58 yards in the air, against James Madison.
That's about 4 yards shorter than I've seen Beathard do it. He doesn't seem to have the same zip on the ball like Beathard.

When you put Iowa's strength of schedule next to UNC's, Beathard also won out, not to mention that overall, his opponents' overall strength were against the pass.
Then you look at the game films, seeing that Beathard was under pressure much more; he's got to be the QB that got hit and pressured within 3 seconds the most among the prospects this year.
On the other hand, the Mitch at times had all day in the pocket, even though it's true that he's slithery and shifty almost like Manziel.

Georgia, Virginia Tech, Miami, Stanford are the main games where you can see a lot of poor-to-bad throws.
Forget that he has a clean pocket more often and that his receivers can get open very well (that Switzer guy is like a mini-Welker, and Proelh is currently rated 11 for the 2018 draft.)

I'm now putting Beathard in the top 4 or 5 prospects for this year.
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Now the last few days, I have restudied Deshone Kizer.

What Kizer has over Beathard is the height and the size.
Arm length and hand size are to be determined at the combine, as well as arm strength.

My guesstimation at the moment is that Kizer and Mahomes may (or may not) has a little better arm strength / velocity than Beathard.

Many other things tilt towards Beathard; however.

Decision making, ball placement (throwing receivers open as opposed to leading them into harm way), accuracy, time to make various types of throws.

Kizer plays pretty tough, but so does Beathard.
From what I've read, Beathard has been visiting the trainer room frequently since he got hit and banged up often.
I give him a lot of credit for playing through it all.
I've seen him got hit twice from the front, and still got up and made the next play.

Buy he doesn't put himself in in harm way like Kizer (or even Wentz) when scrambling or running.

Ball security is also the best of the bunch (and also Wentz.)
I've been reviewing college game films of Wentz, Lynch since yesterday , and about to start on Goff.

Wentz is similar to Kizer in that he has size/arm, etc
That kind of talent put him ahead if Kizer as a prospect; but also the fact that he played under center in a a pro system.
But on the other stuffs, he wasn't as polished as Beathard either.

So really, there's a lot to like about Beathard.
He plays in mix of pro and WCO in a much better conference.
There's no reason why Beathard can't be as ready as Wentz, IMHO.
 
Wait, are you trying to say the pick in the video you posted is not the fault of the QB? The pass rusher was right in his face. He knew he had to get rid of the ball, but his release was too late. Totally on the QB. Come on, man. Everyone on this forum knows that.
 
Lucky said:
Wait, are you trying to say the pick in the video you posted is not the fault of the QB? The pass rusher was right in his face. He knew he had to get rid of the ball, but his release was too late. Totally on the QB. Come on, man. Everyone on this forum knows that.
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I see the receivers' feet around the 20 yard line when he started to fall down.

The ball was somewhere between the 19-18 yard line (which is further down field), in the catch range.

The DB actually went back over the receiver's feet to make the interception.
If the receiver was standing up, the DB would have to crash into him and go through his body to even have a chance to reach the ball.

The second is that the receiver had an inside release, with the DB playing outside.
The ball was inside, closer to the hashmarks than the word BIG on the field.
The DB ran from the word BIG toward the hash marks to make the INT.

I put it on my big screen so it's easier to see when freezing the frame.

You're entitled to see whatever you wish to see; I'm doing just that myself.

You don't have to agree with me.
 
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76Texan said:
I see the receivers' feet around the 20 yard line when he started to fall down.

The ball was somewhere between the 19-18 yard line (which is further down field), in the catch range.

The DB actually went back over the receiver's feet to make the interception.
If the receiver was standing up, the DB would have to crash into him and go through his body to even have a chance to reach the ball.

The second is that the receiver had an inside release, with the DB playing outside.
The ball was inside, closer to the hashmarks than the word BIG on the field.
The DB ran from the word BIG toward the hash marks to make the INT.

I put it on my big screen so it's easier to see when freezing the frame.

You're entitled to see whatever you wish to see; I'm doing just that myself.

You don't have to agree with me.
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I don't think anyone is trying to disagree with you. You are just biased in your observations. It's clear that you like the guy and you are going into evaluation mode looking for confirmation bias. When there is a good play you look for how the QB can be credited for it. When there is a bad play you look for someone else to pin it on.
 
WolverineFan said:
I don't think anyone is trying to disagree with you. You are just biased in your observations. It's clear that you like the guy and you are going into evaluation mode looking for confirmation bias. When there is a good play you look for how the QB can be credited for it. When there is a bad play you look for someone else to pin it on.
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You're also entitled to your opinion, but to me, that's not how I roll.
Whether you believe it or not.
I use the same criteria for all QBs.

I don't fall in love with any QB.
I'm still evaluating and had not decided on the order that I rank the prospects.

I'm just thinking that, at this moment, Beathard is the guy that can get up to speed the fastest in the Texans' system.

And likely to be available when the Texans make their pick.
 
It doesn't matter where you draft them. You just better do as much homework as you can.

We, as individuals, don't have the resources.

But if I'm a billionaire owner of a football franchise, I would spend the resources to keep track of these QBs from high school.

By unconventional methods, but legal, as well as normal channels.

Private investigators, talking to peers, opponent HS coaches and players, local reporters, etc.
Characters are often built early, or somewhere along the way.

Work habits, the drive, and on and on.

All public records.

These things, overall, matter more than physical talent at the QB position, IMO.
 
At any rate, since I started to really studied the QB prospects, my prognosis for their future (the ones that I studied) have been found to be reliable.

I have said a few times that I can put that record against anybody.

I've been more than semi-retired and I don't try to study a gazillion prospects.

Usually, I only concentrate on one or two positions each year.

From Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, Mallett, down the line, I can put up my record against any professional as a whole.
 
76Texan said:
At any rate, since I started to really studied the QB prospects, my prognosis for their future (the ones that I studied) have been found to be reliable.

I have said a few times that I can put that record against anybody.

I've been more than semi-retired and I don't try to study a gazillion prospects.

Usually, I only concentrate on one or two positions each year.

From Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, Mallett, down the line, I can put up my record against any professional as a whole.
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You're pretty good at evaluating QB's. Not as good as Tex, (Bortles LOL)

With that said if Beathard was there in the 5th/6th I probably would take him. We have different opinions on Beathard, I see him as Hoyer and you see him as Cousins. We will see.
 
steelbtexan said:
You're pretty good at evaluating QB's. Not as good as Tex, (Bortles LOL)

With that said if Beathard was there in the 5th/6th I probably would take him. We have different opinions on Beathard, I see him as Hoyer and you see him as Cousins. We will see.
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What happened to Tex and Bortles?
 
76Texan said:
What happened to Tex and Bortles?
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He was very high on him, thought we should use the #1 pick on him and felt validated when the Jags took him at #3. My be a little too early to close the book on him, but he still has the same issues, not going through the progressions and having his mechanics break down if he doesn't go to the first or second read. I can this about BB, is that he has some moments, just not nearly enough of them.
 
jradMIT said:
He was very high on him, thought we should use the #1 pick on him and felt validated when the Jags took him at #3. My be a little too early to close the book on him, but he still has the same issues, not going through the progressions and having his mechanics break down if he doesn't go to the first or second read. I can this about BB, is that he has some moments, just not nearly enough of them.
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Haha, OK.

I remembered TK asked me about Bortles, and I said I saw traces of Gabbert.

KiwiTexan and I were saying Gabbert is going to be a bust before he was even drafted.

Tex and I disagreed completely on Newton.
Tex saw a bust.
I said he will be 1.1 and deserving before the draft.
 
jradMIT said:
He was very high on him, thought we should use the #1 pick on him and felt validated when the Jags took him at #3. My be a little too early to close the book on him, but he still has the same issues, not going through the progressions and having his mechanics break down if he doesn't go to the first or second read. I can this about BB, is that he has some moments, just not nearly enough of them.
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To be fair, Texian had Bortles and Wentz pegged as top picks before they were on anyone's radar. Like a year before they were drafted. No national media or draft site had them close to first rounders. They may not be the next Brady or Manning but they were drafted crazy high. Cudos to Texian.
 
Let me remind you about the evaluation of Newton and the gist of my exchange with Tex.

I said that I saw 17 instances where Newton was under center, and he was doing pretty much most things you expect from a QB, from performing a play fake, to a drop back, to a roll out (and pass the ball, of course.)

I said they were smooth as if he was playing under center a heck more often and natural as the vast majority thought.

To me, it's homework.
 
More reasons why I say Beathard is a better value pick than Peterman.

https://www.google.com.mx/amp/www.g...hun-daniels-and-riley-mccarron-are-speedy?amp

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/

For me, Beathard is definitely in the top five.

Trubisky, Mahomes.
Kizer.
Beathard, Watson.

I'd like to have either Trubisky or Mahomes and then take Beathard in a later round.

I like him enough to take him in the fourth; I would go as high as our late third.

I think this guy is at least a solid backup QB.
 
76Texan said:
More reasons why I say Beathard is a better value pick than Peterman.

https://www.google.com.mx/amp/www.goiowaawesome.com/iowa-hawkeyes-football/2017/03/1309/2017-iowa-pro-day-recap-desmond-king-leshun-daniels-and-riley-mccarron-are-speedy?amp

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/

For me, Beathard is definitely in the top five.

Trubisky, Mahomes.
Kizer.
Beathard, Watson.

I'd like to have either Trubisky or Mahomes and then take Beathard in a later round.

I like him enough to take him in the fourth; I would go as high as our late third.

I think this guy is at least a solid backup QB.
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Is that first link saying that Mitch Leidner is a first round pick or am I misreading that?
 
bah007 said:
Is that first link saying that Mitch Leidner is a first round pick or am I misreading that?
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You didn't misread it. Clearly nobody thinks he's a 1st round pick now but Kiper and McShay both [foolishly] had him as one over the summer. It's an Iowa blog so clearly they're just trying to hype their guy up.
 
infantrycak said:
Lance Zierlein doesn't think much of him.
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It wasn't the first time Lance and I disagree.

He had his points, I had mine.
Lance had never had anything on me about the O-line (which he himself said was his strength , and I had told him that I do respect that a lot).

If we go back and look at the QB assessments over the years, the record shows that he's behind the curve.

He's a good man, and I like him a lot; football-wise, too.

There are things that I had admitted to him that I don't have, with the connections and such.

I dig the football talk with him whenever he was here.
 
bah007 said:
Is that first link saying that Mitch Leidner is a first round pick or am I misreading that?
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To be honest, I haven't paid any attention to Mitch Leidner.

I'm not even much into this draft.
The QBs alone give me enough headaches.
 
I cant find anything NOT to like with Beathard ... Good footwork , solid throwing mechanics , strong enough arm , nice deception on play action and can throw accurately on the run , a pretty good deep ball and seems to feel pressure knowing when to move around in or get out of the pocket.
 
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