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Why does Fuller always get a pass??

Texecutioner

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Or maybe the thread should be why does Fuller always drop a pass?

This guy is garbage. All of these whiny Texan fans moaning about Oz and OB, and yet no one ever says a word about this "Ted Ginn" reject.

Oz actually threw a beautiful ball to him which would have put the game really close and would have given the Texans a ton of momentum to where that game could have maybe gone down completely differently. Once again, he drops the big pass. He does it every single game. A few of us warned about this in the first few weeks of the season when everyone was wowed by him, and overlooking those awful drops he has every game.

He has speed and athleticism, but he is not Desean Jackson. He is another Tedd Ginn. Wasted 1st round draft pick.
 
Texecutioner said:
Or maybe the thread should be why does Fuller always drop a pass?

This guy is garbage. All of these whiny Texan fans moaning about Oz and OB, and yet no one ever says a word about this "Ted Ginn" reject.

Oz actually threw a beautiful ball to him which would have put the game really close and would have given the Texans a ton of momentum to where that game could have maybe gone down completely differently. Once again, he drops the big pass. He does it every single game. A few of us warned about this in the first few weeks of the season when everyone was wowed by him, and overlooking those awful drops he has every game.

He has speed and athleticism, but he is not Desean Jackson. He is another Tedd Ginn. Wasted 1st round draft pick.
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Agreed. I was not impressed with him at ND and I'm not impressed now. I keep hearing about his blazing speed but I've never seen him run away for anyone.
 
Redtexans said:
Agreed. I was not impressed with him at ND and I'm not impressed now. I keep hearing about his blazing speed but I've never seen him run away for anyone.
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He has the blazing speed and has done that, but he incapable of having a huge game without at least one epic drop. In the back of my mind I worried if he would have a huge drop or two in a playoff game, and I watched struggling Oz throw a beautiful bomb that went right through his hands. The guy mimics Tedd Ginn Jr.
 
Redtexans said:
Agreed. I was not impressed with him at ND and I'm not impressed now. I keep hearing about his blazing speed but I've never seen him run away for anyone.
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You've gotta be kidding about that last sentence...

He has one wtf drop a game. We knew it when we drafted him. Last night happened to be a doozy. Doesn't change the fact he's a nice weapon to have to stretch the defense.

My biggest complaint would be that we don't take more shots downfield with him to draw a pass interference flag. Other teams do it. The Pats did it and got Bouye flagged with Hogan on their first td drive.
 
hradhak said:
He's basically a Jacoby Jones clone that we spent a lot more on. I'm hoping he gets better in year 2-3 but I think dropping balls is like being inaccurate as a QB. At this point not much is going to change
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Yeah, Jacoby is a pretty good comparison as well.
 
Redtexans said:
Agreed. I was not impressed with him at ND and I'm not impressed now. I keep hearing about his blazing speed but I've never seen him run away for anyone.
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So far (still early, I know) I have been unimpressed with all that speed they drafted in 2016. Fuller's drops, Ervin's muffs and Braxton Miller's shoulder. I might give them a slight pass on Ervin, but they knew what they were getting with Miller and Fuller and they have been exactly as advertised. Which isn't a good thing. Ervin was just a bonus type of terrible.
 
TheRealJoker said:
You've gotta be kidding about that last sentence...

He has one wtf drop a game. We knew it when we drafted him. Last night happened to be a doozy. Doesn't change the fact he's a nice weapon to have to stretch the defense.

My biggest complaint would be that we don't take more shots downfield with him to draw a pass interference flag. Other teams do it. The Pats did it and got Bouye flagged with Hogan on their first td drive.
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And Hogan slowed down so Bouye would run into him.
 
He certainly doesn't get a pass from me. Will Fuller is possibly the single biggest reason we ended up getting completely blown out last night. All of the momentum was sucked out of the team when he dropped that ball. It was the best pass Brock has ever thrown in his career, and Fuller destroys the moment with his tiny jazz hands.

And I agree with PapaL. Tedd Ginn of today has WAY better hands than Will Fuller. I feel like that just like Ginn, by the time Fuller figures it out and actually learns to hold onto the ball a little better, he'll already be on his 3rd or 4th team.
 
The book was written on Fuller before the draft but we drafted him anyway. In the 1st round no less. Many of us in the draft section criticized the pick on draft night and were lambasted for those opinions once they were brought to the main forum. Yeah, I get it, he's fast. Unfortunately this isn't a track meet. It's football. He can improve, but he's not a natural pass catcher and will always struggle to maintain consistency. Right now he's a one-trick pony and that one trick doesn't work half the time.
 
This is a perfect example of WHOEVER it is picking these players, not having a clue.

Everybody on the planet knew about Fuller's hands and the issues he had and was going to have because of them, but hey, speed. And they not only draft him, they move up to get him.

So yeah, F5 doesn't get a pass, but the real issue is why he's even here to begin with.
 
Speedy said:
This is a perfect example of WHOEVER it is picking these players, not having a clue.

Everybody on the planet knew about Fuller's hands and the issues he had and was going to have because of them, but hey, speed. And they not only draft him, they move up to get him.

So yeah, F5 doesn't get a pass, but the real issue is why he's even here to begin with.
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You can thank the three stooges:

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Texecutioner said:
Or maybe the thread should be why does Fuller always drop a pass?

This guy is garbage. All of these whiny Texan fans moaning about Oz and OB, and yet no one ever says a word about this "Ted Ginn" reject.

Oz actually threw a beautiful ball to him which would have put the game really close and would have given the Texans a ton of momentum to where that game could have maybe gone down completely differently. Once again, he drops the big pass. He does it every single game. A few of us warned about this in the first few weeks of the season when everyone was wowed by him, and overlooking those awful drops he has every game.

He has speed and athleticism, but he is not Desean Jackson. He is another Tedd Ginn. Wasted 1st round draft pick.
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Come on so Brock threw one good pass that was dropped that would of been a TD. Fact is he still threw 3 ints.
 
EllisUnit said:
Come on so Brock threw one good pass that was dropped that would of been a TD. Fact is he still threw 3 ints.
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Do you have any idea of what momentum is and what it does in a football game?

And you are moaning all over the place as if you're surprised that Oz didn't play well. Where were you all season long? You expected something different against a defense that gave the least amount of points all season?

When a garbage QB like Oz actually makes a beautiful throw for a TD that would have almost tied up the game and given them momentum, YOU MAKE THAT CATCH! You don't blow that opportunity, and that is what Fuller always does. How you could **** all over OZ, but make excuses for this guy's trash all season is mind boggling to me.
 
EllisUnit said:
Come on so Brock threw one good pass that was dropped that would of been a TD. Fact is he still threw 3 ints.
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Exactly so when he does throw one good pass maybe we're expecting too much but I expect that one good pass to be caught.
 
TheRealJoker said:
You've gotta be kidding about that last sentence...

He has one wtf drop a game. We knew it when we drafted him. Last night happened to be a doozy. Doesn't change the fact he's a nice weapon to have to stretch the defense.

My biggest complaint would be that we don't take more shots downfield with him to draw a pass interference flag. Other teams do it. The Pats did it and got Bouye flagged with Hogan on their first td drive.
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Dude never stretched anything all season, for every good catch he has a critical dropped ball.
 
Fuller's hands are small and to top it off he's a body catcher. Can't do much on the first one, but the second one is about technique and he can change that will practice and repetition.
 
Texan in Japan said:
Fuller's hands are small and to top it off he's a body catcher. Can't do much on the first one, but the second one is about technique and he can change that will practice and repetition.
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He also makes crazy difficult hand catches at times. The problem appears to be between his ears.
 
I don't mind those deep drops. As long as he's getting more than one chance in a game. If he catches half those bombs then those throws favored the offense.
 
Texan in Japan said:
Fuller's hands are small and to top it off he's a body catcher. Can't do much on the first one, but the second one is about technique and he can change that will practice and repetition.
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in my opinion, he is a body catcher because he does not trust his infant sized hands to make the catch.
 
Texecutioner said:
Do you have any idea of what momentum is and what it does in a football game?

And you are moaning all over the place as if you're surprised that Oz didn't play well. Where were you all season long? You expected something different against a defense that gave the least amount of points all season?

When a garbage QB like Oz actually makes a beautiful throw for a TD that would have almost tied up the game and given them momentum, YOU MAKE THAT CATCH! You don't blow that opportunity, and that is what Fuller always does. How you could **** all over OZ, but make excuses for this guy's trash all season is mind boggling to me.
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Look man I agree that Fuller should of caught the damn ball. We got 3 turnovers in their territory and we came away with 13 points. If not for the turnovers what do you think the score would of looked like ?
 
EllisUnit said:
Look man I agree that Fuller should of caught the damn ball. We got 3 turnovers in their territory and we came away with 13 points. If not for the turnovers what do you think the score would of looked like ?
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You don't know that they would have converted down the field any way, but you keep ignorantly acting like he is the only reason why they lost the game. You keep acting like we shouldn't have expected him to play like that to where you foolishly thought he somehow improved and wasn't Osweiller anymore. Fuller was a first round pick. He dropped a huge play that would have changed that game. After that drop, the life was sucked out of the team pretty hard. Fuller has done that crap all season long, and has had zero improvement which is the biggest reason why I asked why he was getting a pass? He didn't do squat in the game to begin with, but missing at such an opportune time is unacceptable.
 
What you don't do is draft a speedy WR that can't catch the ball. Just my opinion.

gafftop, Apr 28, 2016
This is what I posted on day of draft. Everyone knew he couldn't catch the ball. Just another great brain trust pick. First round for a gimmick guy whose only asset is speed. You can't help stupid. For speed to be there he needs to be 100% healthy. Was never going to happen for his frame.
NOTE: Rick Smith, You don't draft a receiver that can't catch. You don't get a QB that can't throw.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, Jacoby is a pretty good comparison as well.
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Osweiler finally gets lucky with a pass and it just falls through his hands. That play killed the Texans. I wouldn't call Fuller a mullet just 'cause my grandma could catch the ball better with one foot.
 
Fuller is frustrating sometimes. He makes incredible catches, but then drops easy ones. I think he could be coached out of the drops.....remember AJ was a body catcher who learned to use his hands (with the occasional lapse and drops)


Speaking of AJ, I would LOVE to hire him as a WR coach if he is seeking work. His route running was among the best and he really helped Hopkins while here.
 
Texecutioner said:
He has speed and athleticism, but he is not Desean Jackson. He is another Tedd Ginn. Wasted 1st round draft pick.
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C'mon Tex. Haven't you learned by now that crow is on your dinner plate if you pass judgement on rookies?

Haven't I taught you anything? :D
 
Marcus said:
C'mon Tex. Haven't you learned by now that crow is on your dinner plate if you pass judgement on rookies?

Haven't I taught you anything? :D
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I like this talent a lot. But you can't have a guy as one of your main guys when they have such a bad problem catching the football. There has always been random guys around the NFL that are blazers with poor hands and poor route running skills. He started out well this season, but faded after a few weeks, and always reminded me back to his bad hands criticisms. He **** the bed pretty bad.
 
Texecutioner said:
You don't know that they would have converted down the field any way, but you keep ignorantly acting like he is the only reason why they lost the game. You keep acting like we shouldn't have expected him to play like that to where you foolishly thought he somehow improved and wasn't Osweiller anymore. Fuller was a first round pick. He dropped a huge play that would have changed that game. After that drop, the life was sucked out of the team pretty hard. Fuller has done that crap all season long, and has had zero improvement which is the biggest reason why I asked why he was getting a pass? He didn't do squat in the game to begin with, but missing at such an opportune time is unacceptable.
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I guess you never seen Hopkins drop a ball? Andre Johnson never dropped a ball. Jerry rice never dropped a ball etc

He was productive as a rookie. Let it be. I agree with everyone else his skills weren't used to their potential. But that's on a staff that we problems with
 
ATXtexanfan said:
I guess you never seen Hopkins drop a ball? Andre Johnson never dropped a ball. Jerry rice never dropped a ball etc

He was productive as a rookie. Let it be. I agree with everyone else his skills weren't used to their potential. But that's on a staff that we problems with
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You can't blame his drops on the staff. Catching a ball is pretty fundamental. He has had problems with every coach he has had obviously. I never watched the guy in college, and when we drafted him I read and watched all kinds of footage and all I read anywhere was how bad his hands were and "if" he could ever get that together he could be great. I watched him with an open mind. All we have seen this year are key drops on huge plays that the team needs. Its one thing when you're doing that in the regular season, but in the playoffs you show what kind of player you are. I believe that. He looked like another Desean Jackson type of player to me, but those guys usually are either really disappointing like Jacoby Jones/Ted Ginne or they end up like Desean Jackson/Santana Moss. He is looking more like a Jacoby type of player based on how many missed opportunities I watched him blow this season.

And for the record Hopkins is a world class WR to me. Great hands.
 
It's O'Brien's decision to play certain players.
He knows Fuller has a case of dropsies and Osweiler is just a sack of potatoes.

He's the one that needs to be kicked to the curb.
Just a pathetic game.
 
Texecutioner said:
You can't blame his drops on the staff. Catching a ball is pretty fundamental. He has had problems with every coach he has had obviously. I never watched the guy in college, and when we drafted him I read and watched all kinds of footage and all I read anywhere was how bad his hands were and "if" he could ever get that together he could be great. I watched him with an open mind. All we have seen this year are key drops on huge plays that the team needs. Its one thing when you're doing that in the regular season, but in the playoffs you show what kind of player you are. I believe that. He looked like another Desean Jackson type of player to me, but those guys usually are either really disappointing like Jacoby Jones/Ted Ginne or they end up like Desean Jackson/Santana Moss. He is looking more like a Jacoby type of player based on how many missed opportunities I watched him blow this season.

And for the record Hopkins is a world class WR to me. Great hands.
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This is a pretty unfair judgment IMO as EVERY throw to him is a huge play. That's the nature of a player with burner type speed.
 
chenjy9 said:
This is a pretty unfair judgment IMO as EVERY throw to him is a huge play. That's the nature of a player with burner type speed.
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They have thrown plenty of short to medium distance passes to him this season.

I'm not giving slack on dropped TD's in the post season. You make that play. People will stop talking about his drops when he makes them. He keeps expanding his portfolio for criticism.
 
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76Texan said:
It's O'Brien's decision to play certain players.
He knows Fuller has a case of dropsies and Osweiler is just a sack of potatoes.

He's the one that needs to be kicked to the curb.
Just a pathetic game.
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The ones that should be kicked to the curb are the ones that decided to draft this type of receiver in the first round. BOB has to play someone. I am not sure that Smith/McNair aren't pressuring him to play these players. He sure doesn't have a lot of choices. You need the talent to win in the NFL. The Texans talent is not that great. I think this is the problem between Smith and BOB. Smith gets him crap and then says go win. Miller is nothing special. He seems to have lost his speed and unless he makes big plays he is below average as a running back. Give me Grimes or Blue for up the middle at least they break a tackle once in a while. Hunt for speed.
Do I need to say anything about Smith other BIG deal in the offseason. His name is Brock.

I think we might of saw what happens when BOB pulls Smith golden boys when he pulled Brock. He mysteriously returned as starter.
Our fate was decided when OS was named starter in playoffs.
Just my opinion.
 
gafftop said:
The ones that should be kicked to the curb are the ones that decided to draft this type of receiver in the first round. BOB has to play someone. I am not sure that Smith/McNair aren't pressuring him to play these players. He sure doesn't have a lot of choices. You need the talent to win in the NFL. The Texans talent is not that great. I think this is the problem between Smith and BOB. Smith gets him crap and then says go win. Miller is nothing special. He seems to have lost his speed and unless he makes big plays he is below average as a running back. Give me Grimes or Blue for up the middle at least they break a tackle once in a while. Hunt for speed.
Do I need to say anything about Smith other BIG deal in the offseason. His name is Brock.

I think we might of saw what happens when BOB pulls Smith golden boys when he pulled Brock. He mysteriously returned as starter.
Our fate was decided when OS was named starter in playoffs.
Just my opinion.
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Sure, Rick Smith needs to be kicked to the curb, too.

But O'Brien said that he's the one deciding who to play, and how.
He's the one that puts Miller in those runs up the middle instead of Blue, or Grimes as you wanted.
He's the one that decides how many passes Osweiler throws.
 
Osweiler is so frigging inconsistent. Fedrowitz also dropped two huge passes because they never knew what was coming to them. And dhop has had a horrible season, not because of him but because osweiler.

Keizer and fuler hooked up pretty consistanly at Norte Dame, but they too had a qb issue. Golden, kiser and the other guy Zaher... inconsistency with the qb has a lot to do with this.
 
Fuller should get "better" in year two but to be honest he's only going to get so much better at catching the ball. The game will slow down for him if he works on it. He can improve his route running and learn how to make some more separation but the core problem with him is only going to improve a little bit at this point. I mean I say that but that's assuming he's been working for years on getting better at catching the ball. If he's never really focused hard on his craft he might surprise us but probably he's not going to get a lot better.

The Texans should know that and obviously chose to pick him in spite of it. If they didn't know it they're imbeciles who have no business making draft selections. If they did and didn't care thinking it would be fine they likewise are not real smart and shouldn't be trusted with picking players. I realize he's crazy fast but we were not hurting at WR that bad. We already had a pretty fast guy who couldn't catch all that well in Jaelen Strong. There were guys on the board when he was taken who could have helped us win games this year.
 
76Texan said:
Sure, Rick Smith needs to be kicked to the curb, too.

But O'Brien said that he's the one deciding who to play, and how.
He's the one that puts Miller in those runs up the middle instead of Blue, or Grimes as you wanted.
He's the one that decides how many passes Osweiler throws.
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My point is Smith needs to go first. If he doesn't go nothing changes. If he doesn't go we continue to pick players like Miller and Brock as our FAs and Fuller in the first round. No coach is winning the super bowl with them. I am not saying BOB is good.
Many reasons to criticize BOB
See this http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...pete-carroll-failed-coach-underdogs-cost-them
 
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