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Deshaun Watson, The future Texans QB?

Chris

Chris

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Obviously, Brock Osweiler is not out answer. So, if you would the Texans GM would trade up in the draft get Deshaun Watson to be our next QB?
 
Chris said:
Obviously, Brock Osweiler is not out answer. So, if you would the Texans GM would trade up in the draft get Deshaun Watson to be our next QB?
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What do you do with Brock's money? It is too much too eat for the Cap. Maybe next year on a QB, not this year.
 
Has anyone actually given any thought to what drafting a QB means for the roster?

OK, it's a given that Weeden would be gone. OB has also shown that he usually only has two active QB's on game day. Do you draft a QB in the higher rounds to be your 3rd string.

Also, Once training camp is over, he would be getting zero snaps in practice except as the scout team QB. So, drafting a QB, does that mean we also cut Savage? Or Oz?

Drafting a QB in a higher round means you intend to develop him as quickly as possible, to be ready to start in a couple of years. So for those of you who want to draft a QB, how do you handle the roster?
 
Number19 said:
Has anyone actually given any thought to what drafting a QB means for the roster?

OK, it's a given that Weeden would be gone. OB has also shown that he usually only has two active QB's on game day. Do you draft a QB in the higher rounds to be your 3rd string.

Also, Once training camp is over, he would be getting zero snaps in practice except as the scout team QB. So, drafting a QB, does that mean we also cut Savage? Or Oz?

Drafting a QB in a higher round means you intend to develop him as quickly as possible, to be ready to start in a couple of years. So for those of you who want to draft a QB, how do you handle the roster?
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But you don't understand!!!! You have to draft a QB early or he'll never be any good!!! :kitten:

Good post, man.
 
bigmck said:
What do you do with Brock's money? It is too much too eat for the Cap. Maybe next year on a QB, not this year.
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Brock's money ain't got nothing to do with nothing. It's already spent. Can't change that.

It makes sense to me to draft a QB in the first couple of rounds because we're not sure about Brock & Savage has gotten hurt every time an opportunity presented itself.

Draft a guy this draft, maybe he'll be starting after Thanksgiving.... cut Brock (if he deserves it) after 2017, our newly drafted QB is ready to go in 2018.
 
Number19 said:
Drafting a QB in a higher round means you intend to develop him as quickly as possible, to be ready to start in a couple of years. So for those of you who want to draft a QB, how do you handle the roster?
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Savage & Weeden both gone.

Draft a future QB in the first three rounds... pick up an UDFA for the practice squad.
 
thunderkyss said:
Savage & Weeden both gone.

Draft a future QB in the first three rounds... pick up an UDFA for the practice squad.
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I think this year is Savages last year contract wise so he isn't going anywhere probably. More reason to see what he has in regular season to see if he is going to be a better stop gap than Brock. Brock is gone at the end of next year. So it does make sense to draft a qb this year in case both don't pan out. Meaning Savage gets hurt again and Brock, well is Brock.
 
TexansBull said:
I think this year is Savages last year contract wise so he isn't going anywhere probably. More reason to see what he has in regular season to see if he is going to be a better stop gap than Brock. Brock is gone at the end of next year. So it does make sense to draft a qb this year in case both don't pan out. Meaning Savage gets hurt again and Brock, well is Brock.
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Maybe Rick can work a deal & trade Savage to a team where he might get a chance to start. Maybe a 6th from Buffalo, or New York Jets.

But it's time we've moved on. Good luck to him & everything, he sure didn't have much of it here.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Maybe Rick can work a deal & trade Savage to a team where he might get a chance to start. Maybe a 6th from Buffalo, or New York Jets.

But it's time we've moved on. Good luck to him & everything, he sure didn't have much of it here.
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Why would we look to trade him when he has shown in limited playing time to be as good as our starter? I don't understand that. Not trying to be difficult either.
 
TexansBull said:
Why would we look to trade him when he has shown in limited playing time to be as good as our starter? I don't understand that. Not trying to be difficult either.
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Just to point out that there IS a reason he has had limited playing time.

I have no doubt that BOB would have finished the 2014 season with him. Had he not been hurt.

I have no doubt that BOB would not have gone out and got Weeden last season. Had he not been hurt.

I have no doubt that BOB would have started him against the Raiders. Had he not been hurt.
 
TexansBull said:
Why would we look to trade him when he has shown in limited playing time to be as good as our starter? I don't understand that. Not trying to be difficult either.
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Availability has been his issue. This was the third year he would have had a really nice situation to come in & show what he could do. I can't imagine keeping him on the team. Let's say he's our back up..... you've got to wonder if he'll be able to finish the game so you'll have to keep a third QB.

Say he's your starter... If he goes out for the season in week 3, you're pretty much scrapping everything you worked all summer towards.

I'd much rather move on. Brock, High round rookie, UDFA.

& it's really not about "looking as good as our starter" they paid $37M to get Brock here because he showed something Savage hasn't been able to.
 
sandman said:
Just to point out that there IS a reason he has had limited playing time.

I have no doubt that BOB would have finished the 2014 season with him. Had he not been hurt.

I have no doubt that BOB would not have gone out and got Weeden last season. Had he not been hurt.

I have no doubt that BOB would have started him against the Raiders. Had he not been hurt.
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I agree he isn't going to win an iron man award anytime soon. His injury history is worrisome, but I wouldn't cut bait just yet as having a competent seasoned back up qb on the cheap is beneficial and he still has a year with us. Don't want to do anything just for the sake of doing something.
 
thunderkyss said:
Availability has been his issue. This was the third year he would have had a really nice situation to come in & show what he could do. I can't imagine keeping him on the team. Let's say he's our back up..... you've got to wonder if he'll be able to finish the game so you'll have to keep a third QB.

Say he's your starter... If he goes out for the season in week 3, you're pretty much scrapping everything you worked all summer towards.

I'd much rather move on. Brock, High round rookie, UDFA.

& it's really not about "looking as good as our starter" they paid $37M to get Brock here because he showed something Savage hasn't been able to.
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I get that argument about injuries and all, but we have been through multiple qbs in the last few years because of injuries that weren't just attributed to him. So it wasn't a problem just attributed to him.

And we got Brock as part of a need to do something and trying something different without thoroughly meeting and vetting him. It was change for change sake almost.

I just think letting go of Savage this off season is almost the same thing and premature. You never want your back up to see the field in the first place.

I would buy the letting him go because he will be a distraction and cause a qb controversy because Brock has sucked, but that will be with any QB that comes in so might as well keep him on his current contract.

The concussion thing was really unfortunate, but it is becoming more prevalent with many players in the league for a multitude of reasons. So you really can't count that against him. A couple of years ago, maybe even last season he would have gotten to play but the league is cracking down on it.
 
TexansBull said:
I agree he isn't going to win an iron man award anytime soon. His injury history is worrisome, but I wouldn't cut bait just yet as having a competent seasoned back up qb on the cheap is beneficial and he still has a year with us. Don't want to do anything just for the sake of doing something.
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Absolutely agree.
He knows this system and showed progress and he has the arm to make all the throws.
Would be nice to see him get some solid time with this offense.
 
Texansphan said:
Absolutely agree.
He knows this system and showed progress and he has the arm to make all the throws.
Would be nice to see him get some solid time with this offense.
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Savage has tremendously better mechanics than Os. I mean, it's night and day different to me.
 
DocBar said:
Savage has tremendously better mechanics than Os. I mean, it's night and day different to me.
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When we went from Os to Savage in that Jaguar game he looked crazy good. The system even looked different and workable. But that's what happens when you go from something bad to something good. That good looks that's much better.

Either way you slice it Os is bad.
 
I'm just interested in finding our franchise QB. If you think that could be Savage, fine.

I don't think it's him. I'm not drafting a QB in the first three rounds & then have him run the scout team. & that's what the third string QB does.

So if we keep Savage we don't draft a QB in my mind.
 
thunderkyss said:
So if we keep Savage we don't draft a QB in my mind.
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Maybe, just MAYBE Oz or savage develop and become the guy we need but i seriously doubt it. Are you confident they can be? Im not - and settling for these 2 likely means we are watching 2016 all over again next season. I don't want another 3rd string journeyman (the free agent market is/will be littered with has been texan quarterbacks we can call on mid-season imo.)

I feel just the opposite of you. We need an infusion of talent. Even if he's in the shadows all season i want someone with talent learning this offense. Until we finally lock down a franchise quarterback we should ALWAYS be grooming another qb.

(My apologies to Thornson for having so little faith in wheeden i didnt mention him till now...)
 
The Texans should start Weeden; cut either Osweiler or Savage; and draft Mitch Trubisky. As is evidenced by this video, Trubisky is much more of an NFL QB that Deshaun Watson.

 
Thorsson said:
The Texans should start Weeden; cut either Osweiler or Savage; and draft Mitch Trubisky. As is evidenced by this video, Trubisky is much more of an NFL QB that Deshaun Watson.
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And what would you give up in trade to move from 25 to the top 5 or so where he's potentially landing?
 
Mollywhopper said:
And what would you give up in trade to move from 25 to the top 5 or so where he's potentially landing?
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Good question. Brock or Savage and our first round pick. There are four or five teams that desperately need a QB: Browns, 49ers, Jets & Bears among them.
 
Thorsson said:
Good question. Brock or Savage and our first round pick. There are four or five teams that desperately need a QB: Browns, 49ers, Jets & Bears among them.
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So you think teams desperate for a QB would pass up Trubisky (or Watson or Kizer) to take on Brock or Savage?

C'mon, man ...

And that's not even ballpark close enough trade value-wise. You saw last year's trades, yes?
 
The Rams gave up 5 picks to move up around 10 spots last year and you are going to trade a horrible QB and move up 20. I have some swamp land I would like to sell you if you think that is going to happen.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So you think teams desperate for a QB would pass up Trubisky (or Watson or Kizer) to take on Brock or Savage?

C'mon, man ...

And that's not even ballpark close enough trade value-wise. You saw last year's trades, yes?
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No, seriously, I don't think any team is that desperate. Just wishful thinking!

But then again, the Texans gave Osweiler a $72 million dollar contract which just goes to show that not every NFL owner/general manager/coach is intelligent.
 
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Both Osweiler and Savage are nothing more than backups. Heck, you couldn't pay John Elway enough to take Osweiler back! As for the fragile, mediocre Savage, everyone in the league knows he's just one sack or QB sneak away from being injured.
 
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