Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Just because someone can afford an NFL team doesn't mean he knows how to run it. I don't doubt McNair's desire to bring a trophy to Houston, I do doubt he knows HOW to get us that trophy.
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Just because someone can afford an NFL team doesn't mean he knows how to run it. I don't doubt McNair's desire to bring a trophy to Houston, I do doubt he knows HOW to get us that trophy.
No jealousy,
But when a town that is championship hungry as Houston is, helps its new owner become the 7th richest franchise in all of sports and isn't willing to put the best talent possible on the field it makes me question said owners motives.
What others think about whether my town has a team doesn't bother me at all. BTW, teams like the Pats/Denver/Dallas etc... disagree with you about the character issues thing and until the Texans change how they do business I wouldn't expect any Lombardi's. (Not that that's important to you.)
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
He punched and joked a pregnant woman (Hill) if that is the type of player you want so you can have a Super Bowl, then I'm glad you aren't the owner.
What is his motive? Make money? Don't you think he's aware that winning a SB, especially here would be 1000x more profitable than not? Do you think he's intentionally not doing the best he knows how? Sorry man, but you're bordering on the ridicuous with your accusations
I do have doubts, If he followed how Denver/Seattle/Pats build their team I would agree with you. But
Say you're right, how long do you think it will take for him to figure it out? How dumb do you think the man is? I don't think he's dumb at all. I think he's as smart as a fox in a hen house.
I will say never and death is the only way this city will ever see a NFL championship.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Can you point out to me where I stated in anyway that winning the Super Bowl wasn't important to me? I want them to win the SB every year, but I don't cry myself to sleep at night if they don't (I was young with the Oilers, a loss would ruin my entire week, I would like to think I'm a little older and wiser now).
I root for my team, when they win... I have dinner with my family, have a good time, move on with life... when they loose? I have dinner with my family, have a good time, move on with my life.
If they win a SB, I don't get a ring or a bonus check in the mail.
If winning means signing men abusive to women, I'll pass on winning. I wouldn't want my daughter choked and punched, so I won't condone it for someone else's daughter because they are fast and shifty.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
Having a team is more important to you than winning a SB.
I appreciate your stance on women, however the Texans are having to compete against teams that don't feel the same way you do. Guess what, those teams seem to be the ones winning SB's.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Never lower your standards to the least common denominator. It's a loss for everyone.
I'll pass on signing a pos like that even if it meant the SB.
You're ok with not winning a SB.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Not like that.
Then most likely you wont be winning one.
Check out the last 3 SB winners Denver/Pats/Seattle as a reference point.
Have you watched the Texans? Hunt breaks off a 19 yard run & it's straight to the bench. If Tyreek did any of those things here, he'd be a healthy scratch the next game. Why do you think Lamar Miller keeps cutting his runs back into his linemen? He knows what's what.
How many women beaters on those teams?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I am not finding those type of players. Who are you referencing specifically?
I do know if it were easy, everybody would have done it.
We're talking about 1 playoff win in 15 years Kansas City right?
Maybe a few good plays
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
You do realize it took Denver 18 years to get to a SB and 38 years to win one, right? It took New England 26 years to get to a SB and 42 years to win one, Seattle 30 years to get there and 38 years to win.
Might want to find you another source of entertainment.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Yeah McNair, start listening to the people who know how you can win a Championship - Message Board Posters!
(Kinda obvious now that you think about it - huh?)
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
The Chiefs? You mean when they won the SB 46 years ago?
Doesn't seem to help all teams win the big one... so there must be something else to it than not drafting degenerates.
You also mentioned the Seahawks... who have won it recently, I'll give you that. Was it because of criminal draft picks or Pete Carroll and a bad ass defense? I'll leave that one to the philosophers. Won the big one, after a mere 30+ years.
The Patriots - is it drafting felons or perhaps a hall of fame coach/GM (cheater or not) and potentially the greatest QB to ever play?
I think there is a bit more to the science of winning football games than drafting criminals.
New England
2013 Dennard Assualt
Hernandez Murder
Edelman Touching a woman inappropriately
Denver
Dummervil agrrevated assault with firearm
Talib- fired shots at mothers/sisters boyfriend (I cant remember which)
Seattle
Lynch- hit woman with car
Guns/Assault
There are more I'm not going to take more time looking it up.
Just saying what teams that have won the last 3 SB's do.
I don't like the facts anymore than you do.
So, some of you think it's OK to condone violent criminal behavior for the sake of a super bowl trophy. Wow.
What I said was if you want to compete with the big boys you have to take on a few of these guy, because the teams that are winning SB's are.
BTW, I'm not the morality police.
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Hernandez & Dumervil don't have rings, so no help to actual SB winners.
And Lynch's incident was hardly anything resembling violence against women. It was reckless driving at most.
I disagree. I like the fact that our owner draws the line on a few moral things. It's about integrity. I admire Mr McNair for it and I would have less integrity myself if I sold out mine asking our owner to sell out his for a ring. I mean, my son idolizes those guys. This is one area that I agree with our owner on 100%.
You're right,
Just keep on believing in what the Texans brass is currently doing. Then compare what type of players they are drafting to the contenders and I'm sure you will be able to see what I'm talking about.
No minds are going to be changed around here. I shouldn't have gone where I went.
Fair enough,
My sense of self integrity has nothing to do with Bob McNair/The Texans and your child should never idolize athletes (They will always let him down)
Let me preface this by saying that I in no way mean this as an indictment of you. I hope I'm not coming across that way. My sense of integrity has nothing to do with them either, other than the fact that I feel it is hypocritical of me to stand on my high horse while I ask my owner to look the other way. That act alone is disingenuous. It just is. My kid is a jock and a pretty serious athlete in his own right so he naturally looks up to pro athletes that are doing what he hopes to do someday. Make no mistake, his moral compass comes from me, but I'd much rather him have a JJ Watt poster on his wall than say, a Vontes Burfict. Integrity is a weird thing. In every facet of life there are those that will get farther ahead than you will by having less of it if you hold to yours. That's just the way it is. I'm sure you know that, but I still hold to mine, I'm raising my kids to hold to theirs, and Im glad our owner appears to do the same. Some things are far more important than winning.
Beyond the fact that I was just replying to the question that was at hand, I never said I believe completely in what the Texans brass are currently doing. Sort of like I don't believe that signing players with disgusting rapsheets is a necessity to drafting enough good players to assemble a contending roster.
But just for the sake of clarifying...
You're good with having a guy on our team who battered and choked his pregnant girlfriend...
Yet you want a guy kicked off the team over the national anthem...
Yep,
One is respecting that people gave their lives for this country.
The other is a game and I dont care what players do in their personal lives.
2 totally different things.
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Well hell...... I thought you meant before the draft.
heck, all we gotta do is send our starters out on a crime spree. Forget practice & all that crap.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Your assertion is completely unfounded and quite frankly I've grown tired of your revisionist history posts over the years. The Pats have won 4 SB's in the last 14 years. But when Aaron Hernandez got caught up in his mess, Kraft dropped that dude faster than a hot skillet. The Pats are also notorious for releasing and/or trading guys that go against the grain even a little bit. So lets not act like teams all over the league are bringing in these bad apple guys and its making a difference for them on the field. Vontez Burfict costed the Bengals a playoff win last year.....Aldon Smith can't even stay clean enough to stay on someone's roster...Randy Gregory has been a non-factor in the cowboys success this year.....Greg Hardy arguably sabotaged the cowboys season last year before it began. There's just no correlation between what you're asserting and what is actually going on.
Now where I will agree with you is that Hill most likely would've contributed more than Williams, Ervin and Miller, but I'd bet my house that you weren't saying this at the start of the season. For 1, the guy was a 5th rounder which means that 31 other teams including the Chiefs passed on him at least 4-5 times each before the chiefs finally picked him up. Hard to knock McNair/BoB or whomever you're trying to for that when every other team did it as well.
2nd of all, you're giving the chiefs brass too much credit. Hill wasn't getting featured touches at the beginning of the season like he is now...he was strictly a kick returner when they played us at the beginning of the season & for many games after that. So you can say in truth that they didn't even really know just how good of a player they had in him until much later in the season.
3rd, look, the guy basically did what Ray Rice did & then some. The only difference is that it wasn't caught on tape. had it been, this dude wouldn't even be in the league right now.
Check out the last 3 SB winners
Check out my last yrs mock drafts
How do you know what Hill did?
I'm not going to throw this thread off any further than I already have. Nothing is going to change as long as McNair is alive. I hope I'm wrong and the Texans win a SB this yr. I do believe McNair would like to win a SB his way. Lets hope it happens, this is a fruitless exercise.
Check out my last yrs mock drafts
How do you know what Hill did?
I'm not going to throw this thread off any further than I already have. Nothing is going to change as long as McNair is alive. I hope I'm wrong and the Texans win a SB this yr. I do believe McNair would like to win a SB his way. Lets hope it happens, this is a fruitless exercise.
Well, I think we just have to accept that the way Bob McNair runs his team is the way Bob McNair runs his team.
Most cities never get to experience dynasties, especially in this day and age. Obviously having an elite QB is the first step toward a potential dynasty, so they've got to solve that one first.
No, if Houston is going to experience a championship football team, it will most likely be 'lightning in a bottle' where we have the right players and right coaches and things just happen and they get hot at the right time.
For the sake of mental balance, you've got to arrive at a place of acceptance, man. That doesn't mean the front office or coaches are above analysis and criticism, but rather fans just have to understand that the business model on Kirby is what it is and will most likely be that way for awhile since it is what Cal McNair is learning, as well.
That said, word is that Ted Thompson might be on his way out in Green Bay.
Well, I think we just have to accept that the way Bob McNair runs his team is the way Bob McNair runs his team.
Most cities never get to experience dynasties, especially in this day and age. Obviously having an elite QB is the first step toward a potential dynasty, so they've got to solve that one first.
No, if Houston is going to experience a championship football team, it will most likely be 'lightning in a bottle' where we have the right players and right coaches and things just happen and they get hot at the right time.
For the sake of mental balance, you've got to arrive at a place of acceptance, man. That doesn't mean the front office or coaches are above analysis and criticism, but rather fans just have to understand that the business model on Kirby is what it is and will most likely be that way for awhile since it is what Cal McNair is learning, as well.
That said, word is that Ted Thompson might be on his way out in Green Bay.
Totally agree with this post.
I just don't like fans that when you disagree with how the team is being run on a damn message board say well where did that beotching get you.
If Thompson is quitting, hire him immediately and hire Highsmith as his right hand man GM in waiting.
Maybe this is the yr they catch lightning in bottle.
I wouldn't be surprised if most draftniks gave him a 2nd or 3rd round grade. Choking his pregnant girlfriend may have taken him completely off most teams list. Or at the very least dropped him to the 5th/6th round. Maybe lower.
But... it's not very often that coaches will "feature" a guy like Hill in their offense. I mean he's supposed to be a WR, but they're using him every which way possible & O'b doesn't seem to be that kind of guy. Which is why I say he wouldn't have been as productive here.
But you never know year to year how it's gonna be. Look at the 2 SB contestants this year
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'm basing my statement off of his production in the kicking game alone. He's got a punt return and a kick return TD and several other long returns that didn't result in TDs. At the very least he likely would've been as productive as the trio you named earlier just returning kicks & punts b/c Ervin hasn't done ****...Williams just made the active roster & Miller has like 5 catches and 1 TD in the games he's played.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
I agree with you, you should be able to come to a forum and post your opinion on how the team is being run.. not everyone is going to agree with you either.
I don't happen to be one of the people that agree with everything the team / org does... I like having football in Houston, did say I'm in love with the brand of boring as all get out to watch football that we have currently?
I took umbrage to the comment of "fans like me are making Bob billions of dollars" so are fans like you. Complain away at how the org is run and who is running it, just keep in mind that fans like me, or fans like you aren't able to change it.
bigmck
Rookie
I agree, but let's not get down on the team for losing when the first game has yet to be played. Winning a Division is the first step in the March to the Super Bowl. We should all be Happy at this point. If we are One and Done, then you can be Pissed.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
1. Great job deleting the whole paragraph where I said I was getting ahead of myself without seeing results first and admittedly called myself a bad fan for doing so.
2. We have moved on. We are now contemplating signing Ryan Leaf as Qb because he is a felon and that's what we need to get to the SB. Lol.
