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Double Barrel said:
It crossed my mind that O'Brien was opening up the playbook yesterday with Savage in order to show the front office what his guy is capable of doing.

Pure speculation, of course, but partly based on John McClain's take that Brock was a front office decision and reports that there have been many heated arguments behind closed doors between O'Brien and Brock.



I do not remember Brock saying anything negative about the Broncos or having any negative attitude about anything. Even with the Whitehouse visit decline, he said it was all about team and working on chemistry with his Texans teammates.

I don't have any problems with Brock the guy. But, as a pro QB, he's just awful. I'm not sure another off-season can fix his consistent inaccuracy. Dude is averaging 2+ INTs per game. That's just terrible.
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And the inaccuracy is his biggest flaw .... He just doesn't even seem to put the ball where it needs to be , its just a little bit off .... one direction or another. He throws it in the general direction of the right guy the majority of the time , just not where the right guy can catch the damn thing. I just don't believe that is something that can be fixed ....
 
Double Barrel said:
It crossed my mind that O'Brien was opening up the playbook yesterday with Savage in order to show the front office what his guy is capable of doing.

Pure speculation, of course, but partly based on John McClain's take that Brock was a front office decision and reports that there have been many heated arguments behind closed doors between O'Brien and Brock.
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In 53 ½ quarters, Brock had 5 or more pass plays called in a row 8 times. In 2 ½ quarters, Savage had 5 or more pass plays called in a row 5 times (10 in 1 series). In those series, Savage’s completion percentage was 57% (lower than Brock’s season average). There does seem to be something to BoB opening up the playbook for Savage. These numbers don’t necessarily prove anything because Savage kept those 4 drives alive by converting 1st downs and we were playing from behind. But at the same time, 5 of the 8 series for Brock this season led to points on those drives and these 8 drives include games where we were playing from behind. There has been ample opportunities to call this kind of game for Brock but it didn’t happen all year.

I’m NOT making this point to make excuses for Brock (clearly things worked better w/ Savage). But rather to say that there does seem to be something to BoB opening up the play calling for Savage in a way that he hasn’t for Brock all year. I think BoB probably felt more confident in Savage’s ability to get done what he wanted and when the pass started working, he went back to it. But he did this in a way that he hasn’t w/ Brock all year even when Brock was playing at his best. Adding my speculation to yours, it seems that BoB wanted to draw a contrast in qb play w/ Savage and show the world that the team’s offensive problems this year aren’t on him but on Brock and that his decision to bench Brock was the right one.

I’m hoping BoB feels the ongoing need to validate his decision and continues to open up the passing game – if so (and Savage can continue where he left off) we might just have a chance at something this year.
 
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Double Barrel said:
It crossed my mind that O'Brien was opening up the playbook yesterday with Savage in order to show the front office what his guy is capable of doing.

Pure speculation, of course, but partly based on John McClain's take that Brock was a front office decision and reports that there have been many heated arguments behind closed doors between O'Brien and Brock.



I do not remember Brock saying anything negative about the Broncos or having any negative attitude about anything. Even with the Whitehouse visit decline, he said it was all about team and working on chemistry with his Texans teammates.

I don't have any problems with Brock the guy. But, as a pro QB, he's just awful. I'm not sure another off-season can fix his consistent inaccuracy. Dude is averaging 2+ INTs per game. That's just terrible.
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They ran the same plays with Savage they ran with Brock:

http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/story/1739013-tom-savage-breathes-life-texans


According to some Jaguars defenders, the Texans offense did not change much when Savage entered the game, however the accuracy improved and the offense took a step as a group.

“When (Tom) Savage came in, he was throwing the ball very accurately,” said Jaguars linebacker Paul Poluszny. ”He was putting the ball in some tight windows, finding his open receivers. Have to give a lot of credit to him. He stepped in and made the throws that he needed to make.”
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Savage just knows the offense better and can make all the throws while Brock is limited. Notice it felt like the o line got better with Savage? Im betting thats because Savage called out protections better than Brock did as well
 
DX-TEX said:
They ran the same plays with Savage they ran with Brock:

http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/story/1739013-tom-savage-breathes-life-texans




Savage just knows the offense better and can make all the throws while Brock is limited. Notice it felt like the o line got better with Savage? Im betting thats because Savage called out protections better than Brock did as well
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I know it was just one play, but still, I swear there was a play where Savage stood flat-footed and didn't move an inch for a solid two seconds with the ball in his hands. No shuffling, dancing, moving lower body around. Literally just stood there not moving while going through progressions.

I don't know how to describe the difference between the two other than calmness. Game plan. Accuracy. "Almost" INT's. Call those a wash if we need to. Savage just seemed calmer. Maybe because Brock is 7'10" his movements just seem more herky-jerky, but sometimes he looks panicked back there.
 
Max said:
In 53 ½ quarters, Brock had 5 or more pass plays called in a row 8 times. In 2 ½ quarters, Savage had 5 or more pass plays called in a row 4 times. In those 4 series, Savage’s completion percentage was 57% (lower than Brock’s season average). There does seem to be something to BoB opening up the playbook for Savage. These numbers don’t necessarily prove anything because Savage kept those 4 drives alive by converting 1st downs and we were playing from behind. But at the same time, 5 of the 8 series for Brock this season led to points on those drives and these 8 drives include games where we were playing from behind. There has been ample opportunities to call this kind of game for Brock but it didn’t happen all year.

I’m NOT making this point to make excuses for Brock (clearly things worked better w/ Savage). But rather to say that there does seem to be something to BoB opening up the play calling for Savage in a way that he hasn’t for Brock all year. I think BoB probably felt more confident in Savage’s ability to get done what he wanted and when the pass started working, he went back to it. But he did this in a way that he hasn’t w/ Brock all year even when Brock was playing at his best. Adding my speculation to yours, it seems that BoB wanted to draw a contrast in qb play w/ Savage and show the world that the team’s offensive problems this year aren’t on him but on Brock and that his decision to bench Brock was the right one.

I’m hoping BoB feels the ongoing need to validate his decision and continues to open up the passing game – if so (and Savage can continue where he left off) we might just have a chance at something this year.
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Maybe the playbook just got closed a little more each week when they started figuring out what Brock was about, inaccuracy, can't put the ball where it needs to be, late delivery, staring down receivers, etc.
 
sandman said:
I know it was just one play, but still, I swear there was a play where Savage stood flat-footed and didn't move an inch for a solid two seconds with the ball in his hands. No shuffling, dancing, moving lower body around. Literally just stood there not moving while going through progressions.
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Like DX-Tex said. Maybe he's calling the protection better. I think that was a big difference between Mallett & Fitzpatrick. May be the same thing here.
 
Say what you will about TS but the best asset he has going for him is that he is tough enough to take a shot straight on right at his chest and he still delivers accurate passes to the open guy. BO seemed scared and panicked when the pocket closed even just a slight bit.

We shall see what Brock is made of if he ever gets another chance. Of coarse if TS does well enough to remain the starting Qb Brock will finish out his career as a back up.
 
sandman said:
I know it was just one play, but still, I swear there was a play where Savage stood flat-footed and didn't move an inch for a solid two seconds with the ball in his hands. No shuffling, dancing, moving lower body around. Literally just stood there not moving while going through progressions.
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He has confidence in his pocket awareness because he knows he can get rid of the ball. But I hope he doesn't push his luck. He could possibly have Aaron Rodgers' quick release, but we don't want to find out if he also has Rodgers' propensity to break a collar bone.
 
Brisco_County said:
He has confidence in his pocket awareness because he knows he can get rid of the ball. But I hope he doesn't push his luck. He could possibly have Aaron Rodgers' quick release, but we don't want to find out if he also has Rodgers' propensity to break a collar bone.
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O'Brien addressed this in his presser yesterday. Flat out stating he wants Savage to improve on speed.
 
Speedy said:
Maybe the playbook just got closed a little more each week when they started figuring out what Brock was about, inaccuracy, can't put the ball where it needs to be, late delivery, staring down receivers, etc.
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I'm sure that in an overall sense that this is the case and it's why Savage is now playing. My point was only to say that BoB called a different game w/ Savage -- even with Savage being as unproven as Brock, BoB stuck with the pass. Brock never had a game called where he threw the ball 5 times in a row more than once and Savage had it happen 5 times in 2 1/2 quarters. The majority of times that Brock did have this many pass plays called in a row were to end the half or game when we were behind.
 
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Max said:
I'm sure that in an overall sense that this is the case and it's why Savage is now playing. My point was only to say that BoB called a different game w/ Savage -- even with Savage being as unproven as Brock, BoB stuck with the pass. Brock never had a game called where he threw the ball 5 times in a row more than once and Savage had it happen 4 times in 2 1/2 quarters. The majority of times that Brock did have this many pass plays called in a row were to end the half or game when we were behind.
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A large part of that was because Miller was hurting
 
JB said:
Agreed, but I have to wonder about his mental state. He got progressively worse. His confidence was shot and I believe his disagreements with OB and the playcalling led to his tentative play. He seemed to be thinking and forcing instead of playing and having fun.

I think he's a better QB than he showed here. Not greatly better, and turnover prone in any case. But better than a 13 pt a game offense qb
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Brock always looks overwhelmed out there. I've often wondered if O'Brien's complicated offense and pressure to make so many reads at the LOS is too much for him to mentally process.

Kubiak had a much more simplified scheme by design. Rosenfels had a great radio interview awhile back that we've posted before, and he explains how easy it is to learn and manage. I'm wondering if Brock looked so much better in 2015 because that offense scheme just fit him better than O'Brien's scheme.

Corrosion said:
And the inaccuracy is his biggest flaw .... He just doesn't even seem to put the ball where it needs to be , its just a little bit off .... one direction or another. He throws it in the general direction of the right guy the majority of the time , just not where the right guy can catch the damn thing. I just don't believe that is something that can be fixed ....
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Yep, I agree completely. And I'm not sure if accuracy is something that can really be fixed at the pro level. Many of his throws are way off. Some in the dirt, others way over receivers head, and often many are well behind the receiver. He rarely hits his target in stride, which we immediate saw Savage doing when he came into the game.

Max said:
In 53 ½ quarters, Brock had 5 or more pass plays called in a row 8 times. In 2 ½ quarters, Savage had 5 or more pass plays called in a row 4 times. In those 4 series, Savage’s completion percentage was 57% (lower than Brock’s season average). There does seem to be something to BoB opening up the playbook for Savage. These numbers don’t necessarily prove anything because Savage kept those 4 drives alive by converting 1st downs and we were playing from behind. But at the same time, 5 of the 8 series for Brock this season led to points on those drives and these 8 drives include games where we were playing from behind. There has been ample opportunities to call this kind of game for Brock but it didn’t happen all year.

I’m NOT making this point to make excuses for Brock (clearly things worked better w/ Savage). But rather to say that there does seem to be something to BoB opening up the play calling for Savage in a way that he hasn’t for Brock all year. I think BoB probably felt more confident in Savage’s ability to get done what he wanted and when the pass started working, he went back to it. But he did this in a way that he hasn’t w/ Brock all year even when Brock was playing at his best. Adding my speculation to yours, it seems that BoB wanted to draw a contrast in qb play w/ Savage and show the world that the team’s offensive problems this year aren’t on him but on Brock and that his decision to bench Brock was the right one.

I’m hoping BoB feels the ongoing need to validate his decision and continues to open up the passing game – if so (and Savage can continue where he left off) we might just have a chance at something this year.
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Good points. O'Brien has repeated made the statement that they start players based on what is best for the TEAM, not any other factors. He has repeated this at least four different times after the game in press conferences and interviews, and honestly it felt like he was saying it to make a point more than just "coach speak" for fans. It is my opinion that he is telling his bosses about the way things should be on a football team, not necessarily the way it has been with this organization this season.

DX-TEX said:
They ran the same plays with Savage they ran with Brock:

http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/story/1739013-tom-savage-breathes-life-texans


Savage just knows the offense better and can make all the throws while Brock is limited. Notice it felt like the o line got better with Savage? Im betting thats because Savage called out protections better than Brock did as well
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Good find, man. That quote by the Jaguars player is very telling. So basically what we saw was just a more confident and more capable QB when Savage came in. Amazing how much different that looked when compared to the below average QB play we've seen with Brock all season.
 
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Max said:
I'm sure that in an overall sense that this is the case and it's why Savage is now playing. My point was only to say that BoB called a different game w/ Savage -- even with Savage being as unproven as Brock, BoB stuck with the pass. Brock never had a game called where he threw the ball 5 times in a row more than once and Savage had it happen 4 times in 2 1/2 quarters. The majority of times that Brock did have this many pass plays called in a row were to end the half or game when we were behind.
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I can't wait to see what the playbook looks like Saturday - just imagine, they can run AND throw at will and use their tricks to keep defenses on their toes.
I like the way Savage hung in the pocket without the happy feet we saw from Osweiler and picked up blitzes WITH completions.
This will force defenses to take this o seriously - no more easy stacking the box.
 
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Double Barrel said:
Brock always looks overwhelmed out there. I've often wondered if O'Brien's complicated offense and pressure to make so many reads at the LOS is too much for him to mentally process.

Kubiak had a much more simplified scheme by design. Rosenfels had a great radio interview awhile back that we've posted before, and he explains how easy it is to learn and manage. I'm wondering if Brock looked so much better in 2015 because that offense scheme just fit him better than O'Brien's scheme.



Yep, I agree completely. And I'm not sure if accuracy is something that can really be fixed at the pro level. Many of his throws are way off. Some in the dirt, others way over receivers head, and often many are well behind the receiver. He rarely hits his target in stride, which we immediate saw Savage doing when he came into the game.



Good points. O'Brien has repeated made the statement that they start players based on what is best for the TEAM, not any other factors. He has repeated this at least four different times after the game in press conferences and interviews, and honestly it felt like he was saying it to make a point more than just "coach speak" for fans. It is my opinion that he is telling his bosses about the way things should be on a football team, not necessarily the way it has been with this organization this season.



Good find, man. That quote by the Jaguars player is very telling. So basically what we saw was just a more confident and more capable QB when Savage came in. Amazing how much different that looked when compared to the below average QB play we've seen with Brock all season.
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Brock knows the offense but he's too inaccurate to run it at a NFL level.

The org hasn't been run right for yrs. My biggest complaint is letting people play when they shouldn't be playing due to injuries. If you're injured and make alot of $$$$, if you can walk you're going to be forced to play. See: JJ, Clownet, Cushing etc....

I do like the fact that BOB put his job on the line by playing Savage against McNair's/Smith's wishes for the betterment of the team. That took stones, it's one of the things that got Kubiak fired.

The Jags player just confirmed what many Texans fans have been thinking all yr.
 
Texansphan said:
I can't wait to see what the playbook looks like Saturday - just imagine, they can run AND throw at will and use their tricks to keep defenses on their toes.
I like the way Savage hung in the pocket without the happy feet we saw from Osweiler and picked up blitzes WITH completions.
This will force defenses to take this o seriously - no more lazy stacking the box.
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It's what we all hoped for to start the season. Whether it works out the way that we're hoping is going to depend on Savages play and BoB's play calling. But there's reason for hope now.
 
steelbtexan said:
Brock knows the offense but he's too inaccurate to run it at a NFL level.

The org hasn't been run right for yrs. My biggest complaint is letting people play when they shouldn't be playing due to injuries. If you're injured and make alot of $$$$, if you can walk you're going to be forced to play. See: JJ, Clownet, Cushing etc....

I do like the fact that BOB put his job on the line by playing Savage against McNair's/Smith's wishes for the betterment of the team. That took stones, it's one of the things that got Kubiak fired.

The Jags player just confirmed what many Texans fans have been thinking all yr.
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Sorry, no one forced JJ to play. If anything, he downplayed the extent of his injury so that he could keep playing. JJ sitting out this year is mainly on JJ.
 
Corrosion said:
And the inaccuracy is his biggest flaw .... He just doesn't even seem to put the ball where it needs to be , its just a little bit off .... one direction or another. He throws it in the general direction of the right guy the majority of the time , just not where the right guy can catch the damn thing. I just don't believe that is something that can be fixed ....
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Man, I've got to give it to Kubiak, he took a turd like Os and shined him up enough so Os could help Gary win a SB.

Gotta give it to Kubes he was a miracle worker last yr.
 
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There's a good chance he will keep the job - his courage under pressure to stand there and fire completions will go a long way with OB.
You watch good QB's in this league and it is one of their traits - still, you don't wanna see him do it too often so that line is gonna have to protect him.
 
sandman said:
Sorry, no one forced JJ to play. If anything, he downplayed the extent of his injury so that he could keep playing. JJ sitting out this year is mainly on JJ.
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Players will always play if the Dr.'s let them and and it is my belief upper mgmt puts pressure on the Dr.'s to say it's ok for the players to play
 
steelbtexan said:
Players will always play if the Dr.'s let them and and it is my belief upper mgmt puts pressure on the Dr.'s to say it's ok for the players to play
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What you just said doesn't address what I said. JJ downplayed his injuries to the medical staff so that he could keep playing. Just like he downplayed his recovery time after surgery in the off season so that he could get back sooner. And we see where that got him. I'm LOLing that you think ANYONE forced JJ to do anything he didn't want to do.
 
steelbtexan said:
Players will always play if the Dr.'s let them and and it is my belief upper mgmt puts pressure on the Dr.'s to say it's ok for the players to play
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Arguably, our medical staff has done more to hold the organization back than any other area of the team... Starting with their assessments on the health of Tony Boselli and Ryan Young, continuing throughout Kubiak's tenure, re-introducing their incompetence with their handling and assessment of Clowney leading into that draft, and into this year's management of JJ's back.... With plenty evidence of incompetence in between.
 
Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 29m29 minutes ago
Greg Cosell on Tom Savage: 'Lot to like. He throws it really well, Natural thrower, natural pocket passer. He looks like an NFL quarterback'

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 28m28 minutes ago
Greg Cosell on Tom Savage: 'Measured, deliberate, polish and refinement to him. Can drive the ball. Will stand and deliver and take a shot'

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 27m27 minutes ago
Greg Cosell on Tom Savage: 'He will actually throw the ball when he's supposed to. He was feeding DeAndre Hopkins. That's in his DNA'
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Its happening!!
 
sandman said:
What you just said doesn't address what I said. JJ downplayed his injuries to the medical staff so that he could keep playing. Just like he downplayed his recovery time after surgery in the off season so that he could get back sooner. And we see where that got him. I'm LOLing that you think ANYONE forced JJ to do anything he didn't want to do.
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Nobody forced JJ to play. The Dr.'s knew if he played there was a good chance of re-injury. CND told us as much. The medical staff let him play anyway. the question is why? My answer that's been played out many times over the yrs is that Texans mgmt put pressure on the DR.'s. There's a pattern that has developed over the yrs.
 
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When Savage entered the game, I watched the passes. There is a clear difference in his mechanics versus BO. My question is how can the Texans QB coach not address BO mechanics sooner? Was it really a concern or did BO get injured and we are unaware of it? Savage showed he can complete down field passes coming off the bench, hopefully a week of practice reps will help him with timing and rhythm on Saturday. I am cautiously optimistic.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I do believe they forced Clowney to play his rookie yr on a hurt knee and this resulted in him needing a microfracture surgery.
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Any scenario within reason leads one to conclude that Clowney's medical was mishandled... We took him #1 overall despite a mediocre college season which was attributed to injuries... I can not imagine how many hours he spent in the MRI machines heading into the draft. Either the medical staff felt good about him at the end of that process, or they didn't... Either way, they screwed up, because an existing injury a few months later led into microfracture surgery his rookie year.
 
rittenhouserobz said:
When Savage entered the game, I watched the passes. There is a clear difference in his mechanics versus BO. My question is how can the Texans QB coach not address BO mechanics sooner? Was it really a concern or did BO get injured and we are unaware of it? Savage showed he can complete down field passes coming off the bench, hopefully a week of practice reps will help him with timing and rhythm on Saturday. I am cautiously optimistic.
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Play action pass mechanics, especially in a zone stretch system, are very different than drop back passing and/or shotgun mechanics. I wonder if his elongated motion and stride was hidden or dismissed in film study due to the system differences? Just a thought.
 
Porky said:
BOB was referring to getting the play in, getting it called, breaking the huddle and snapping the ball in a timely manner. He was not referring to his release.
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Thats what I was referring to, not his release. He let the play clock run down to zero quite a bit and as someone on twitter pointed out it almost looked like he was intentionally doing it.
 
I've been in the savage camp from day 1...outside of his solid measurables, I liked his poise and the fire he plays with. I thought he should've been given a shot alot sooner & he very well might've had he been able to stay healthy. Glad to see he's finally getting his chance to show what he can do.

We've got an RG3/Kirk Cousins thing going on right now where we paid the guy we thought could be the long term answer a ton of money & pretty much ignored the guy who might wind up being that guy. Some people don't think BoB had Tom Savage in his long term plans at all & they won't give him any credit if Savage turns out to be the real deal...they point to the Oz signing as proof of that. But you just might have to give Bob some credit....at least a little. He for the most part protected Savage by keeping him on the active roster for most of his time here to make sure noone scooped him up off the practice squad. Everyone questions why Savage was dropped on the IR for what was seemingly an injury he could've come back from at mid-season..I think he again may have been trying to protect him.....
 
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Tom Savage Now Demanding That Osweiler Call Him “Peyton”

Brock Osweiler has lost his job for the second December in a row, and now his bad week is only getting worse: replacement Tom Savage is demanding that Osweiler call him “Peyton”.

“Keeping a starting job in the NFL requires a certain amount of psychological warfare,” explained Savage, terrifying every reporter in the room. “If I can get inside Brock’s head and convince him that he’s having the same exact experience that he had last year, then he’ll fall in line and stay on the bench – just like last year.”

Savage is pulling out all the stops, having already adopted Peyton Manning’s Louisiana accent, despite being from Pennsylvania. He’s also taken to sneaking up behind Osweiler and screaming “Omaha!” at the top of his lungs whenever possible.

“He’s taking it really far,” complained Osweiler. “Like, did he have to call up Papa John and bring him into the locker room? I hate that guy…he’s just so… sweaty, like all the time.”

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Double Barrel said:
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Lol.

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Peyton to Savage:

"I am telling you its brilliant. I am going to get this guy to play half the season and take all those hits for me so I can be nice and fresh for the playoffs. I would recommend you do the same thing."
 
Porky said:
BOB was referring to getting the play in, getting it called, breaking the huddle and snapping the ball in a timely manner. He was not referring to his release.
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DX-TEX said:
Thats what I was referring to, not his release. He let the play clock run down to zero quite a bit and as someone on twitter pointed out it almost looked like he was intentionally doing it.
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Yeah, O'Brien also said part of that was on him. He and Godsey need to get the plays called faster and relayed into Savage quicker than they did against the Jags. That way Savage has more time to call it in the huddle and make adjustments, when necessary, at the line.
 
EllisUnit said:
There's some funny ass **** on that site.
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we might have to change the title of this thread....

Tom Savage is the Houston Texans quarterback for the time being, and his teammates have already embraced him by giving him the nickname “Not Brock Osweiler.”

“We’ve been calling him Not Brock Osweiler because our last quarterback was a guy named Brock Osweiler and Tom is not him,” explained wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins.

Not Brock Osweiler Savage says that he is happy with the nickname and that it really makes him feel like a part of the team, sort of. “I was kinda hoping they would do something with my last name, because that’s already pretty cool,” he said. “But I guess you don’t get to choose your nickname.”
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Savage prepping the team prior to his first start....

Pulls out his jersey....
Goes to talk with the team....
Put on some Low Rider...

I can see it



... now if they would play this scene in the stadium just before the game.....
 
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