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b0ng said:
How can you say he is not directly responsible for any of our losses
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If I remember correctly none of the points the defense gave up came off Brock Osweiler turn overs. I'm pretty sure about the Minnesota & New England games.

& that's all that means. nothing more. he may not have played well enough to win them, but he didn't make the mistakes our previous QBs made that lost games.
 
Brock didn't turn the ball over and based on how Obrien and staff called the game I expect them to be as conservative as possible the rest of the season to hopefully prevent Brock from the dumb picks that we saw the first half of the season.

That being said its disappointing as a fan that they went out and spend the money they did on Brock only to find out the best they can hope for out of the guy is to turn him into a game manager. They could have signed any other journeyman QB if thats all they wanted.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think Brock had a good game. I don't think Novak had a good game. I don't think the defense had a good day.

but none of them cost us the game. All of them made plays when needed to help win.

I don't think we should ignore Brock's overall performance. he sucked.

but we were better in the red zone & he didn't throw an interception. that's not to say his arrow is pointing up. He sucked. just like Novak sucked & Kareem & Jjo & Mercilus & Clowney & several others sucked.

but I appreciated the plays all those guys made when they made plays. we need another kicker. I think we can start a new kicker next week & not affect too much of what's going on.

i don't think we'd suffer much if we start Savage. But I'd be surprised if a QB change is made when we're 6-3.
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Bottom line is he sucked. I'm glad he didn't turn the ball over. I'm extremely happy he did what a quarterback suppose to do in the red zone Thunder. But 96 yards is a big Ish wow. I never in my 40 years of existence seen a professional quarterback playing the entire game, only throw for 90+ yards.

Yes we had some other players stinking up the joint. Kareem Jackson was atrocious.

But Dangler clearly said Brock had a good game And big timer that's far from the truth.

I wasn't even charging him up like that either. I was really jiving at him with the gifs.
Mangler said:
Brock himself ran and picked up two first downs. But, it doesn't matter because he didn't throw for 500 yards and only threw two touchdown passes instead of eight of them. So, that automatically denies him any credit for the win as he didn't contribute enough. (According to some TexansTalk posters.)
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Literally taking things personal. Yeah he had one helluva game that will go in the record books for the least yards in a complete game.
 
b0ng said:
How can you say he is not directly responsible for any of our losses? He was impotent in all 3 of those losses and threw for a whole 1 TD in those games. I am not saying he is going to be a bad QB forever but his season, so far, has been really bad.
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Did he throw a pick 6 in those games with the game on the line? Or muff a potential winning drive?
He takes the loss on those games, but an astute student of the game knows it was more than just the QB losing those games.
 
texanhead08 said:
That being said its disappointing as a fan that they went out and spend the money they did on Brock only to find out the best they can hope for out of the guy is to turn him into a game manager. They could have signed any other journeyman QB if thats all they wanted.
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except those journey men have already shown they can't win in this league. regardless of the team around them, when they get on the field their team is more likely to lose than not.

o'b won in the past with journeymen largely because he didn't have to play them very long. Fitzpatrick for 16 games, or Hoyer for 16 games & I doubt we'd have been 9-7 either year.

Brock on the other hand is more likely to make plays when it counts.

& it's not certain that the best he can be is a game manager. imo, that's where it should start.
 
thunderkyss said:
it's not certain that the best he can be is a game manager. imo, that's where it should start.
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Agreed, but it feels like they're trying to make him into a game manager. Time to take the training wheels off and see if he can be anything more.
 
thunderkyss said:
If I remember correctly none of the points the defense gave up came off Brock Osweiler turn overs. I'm pretty sure about the Minnesota & New England games.

& that's all that means. nothing more. he may not have played well enough to win them, but he didn't make the mistakes our previous QBs made that lost games.
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Meh throwing picks is not the only way a QB can be responsible for a loss. Being inaccurate and ineffective can certainly be huge factors in why the game was lost (which he was in all 3 of those games). If you are thinking that my implication is the losses are solely on Brock you are mistaken, but his play was a large reason that we were out of those games as quickly as we were as a team.
 
I wonder if the Texans fan base is the only one that complains about every single player on the roster and the whole front office... but the team still continues to have winning seasons and make playoffs. JJ is probably the only guy free of criticism.


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dream_team said:
I wonder if the Texans fan base is the only one that complains about every single player on the roster and the whole front office... but the team still continues to have winning seasons and make playoffs. JJ is probably the only guy free of criticism.
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Don't let JJ off so easy, his arrogant attention seeking and delusional view of his own invincibility led him to get reinjured to start the season.

Showboating loser.
 
dream_team said:
I wonder if the Texans fan base is the only one that complains about every single player on the roster and the whole front office... but the team still continues to have winning seasons and make playoffs. JJ is probably the only guy free of criticism.


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You forget, JJ came back too quick because he's a selfish a-hole (I'm not saying that by the way).

Edited: Sorry, didn't see that Kiwi beat me to the punch!
 
Max said:
Agreed, but it feels like they're trying to make him into a game manager. Time to take the training wheels off and see if he can be anything more.
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I think we started wrong, asking him to throw the ball 40 times a game. we should have stuck with the run earlier in the season, letting him be a game manager, throwing the ball 20-25 tines a game.

I think our run game & our QB would be playing better now. we may not be 6-3 either, so...

I'm fine with heavily running the ball now. I'm fine with Osweiler being a game manager now, gradually bringing him along.

hopefully that will reduce the chances for us to build tendencies the playoff teams can study.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think we started wrong, asking him to throw the ball 40 times a game. we should have stuck with the run earlier in the season, letting him be a game manager, throwing the ball 20-25 tines a game.
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I think our run game & our QB would be playing better now. we may not be 6-3 either, so...

I'm fine with heavily running the ball now. I'm fine with Osweiler being a game manager now, gradually bringing him along.

hopefully that will reduce the chances for us to build tendencies the playoff teams can study.
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Maybe BoB is more of a genius than I thought -- don't show them what Brock can do until the playoffs! Just kidding, I really hope you're right -- it's about the only hope I have to cling to for this year.
 
b0ng said:
Meh throwing picks is not the only way a QB can be responsible for a loss. Being inaccurate and ineffective can certainly be huge factors in why the game was lost (which he was in all 3 of those games). If you are thinking that my implication is the losses are solely on Brock you are mistaken, but his play was a large reason that we were out of those games as quickly as we were as a team.
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It's not me. I was just saying how I took Texansphan's comment. I'm sure he wasn't saying Brock's been carrying this team.
 
Osweiler sucks, but he might suck less if he had a receiver open ever now and then. For being such a complicated offense that no one can seem to get down, I see only about 4 different run plays, a couple of screens, and the same pass routes over and over. The whole offense seems kinda slow to learn. Hell, the offensive line played the best game today.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Bottom line is he sucked. I'm glad he didn't turn the ball over. I'm extremely happy he did what a quarterback suppose to do in the red zone Thunder. But 96 yards is a big Ish wow. I never in my 40 years of existence seen a professional quarterback playing the entire game, only throw for 90+ yards.
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Allow me to introduce you to Dave Ragone...

Mike
 
Top 5 defense. Top 5 rushing offense. TE's are 65/600/5 so far this year.

Did we as fans not demand that the defense not start slow like the last two seasons? Check. Even the run defense has been good the last two games

Did we as fans not demand that the offense get a running game and use the TE's? Check.

Did we not say that the Texans with a strong defense and RB/TE play could overcome a game managing QB? Check. The Texans are 6-3, even with a struggling QB and multiple starters out for the season, including a 3x DPOY.

Again, tell me what game(s) the Texans lost this season that you didn't expect them to lose before the season started.

Now tell me if you legitimately thought the Texans were competing for a Super Bowl this year.

I suspect that the answers will be None and No. But that's not going to stop people from b1tching. Houston Sport Fan absolutely earns the reputation he has in the sports community.
 
It is a little hard to get passing yards when all we did in the second half was run the ball.

But then we were getting some good yards with Miller, Hunt and even Blue had a good run or two, and Brock was - maybe a tad off on his passing yesterday.
But IDK we won and at the end of the day that is what matters.
 
Grams said:
It is a little hard to get passing yards when all we did in the second half was run the ball.

But then we were getting some good yards with Miller, Hunt and even Blue had a good run or two, and Brock was - maybe a tad off on his passing yesterday.
But IDK we won and at the end of the day that is what matters.
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All true but it was ugly. Not ugly 90s Cowboys going to ram Emmitt in your grill ugly - beautiful ugly. Just ugly.

But the one thing this season is coaches be damned Brock will find his TEs. These guys have not magically transformed. They have a QB who looks at them.

Trying to find a saving grace. We've had QBs who could only pass outside the hash and now we have one who can only pass inside.
 
sandman said:
Top 5 defense. Top 5 rushing offense. TE's are 65/600/5 so far this year.

Did we as fans not demand that the defense not start slow like the last two seasons? Check. Even the run defense has been good the last two games

Did we as fans not demand that the offense get a running game and use the TE's? Check.

Did we not say that the Texans with a strong defense and RB/TE play could overcome a game managing QB? Check. The Texans are 6-3, even with a struggling QB and multiple starters out for the season, including a 3x DPOY.

Again, tell me what game(s) the Texans lost this season that you didn't expect them to lose before the season started.

Now tell me if you legitimately thought the Texans were competing for a Super Bowl this year.

I suspect that the answers will be None and No. But that's not going to stop people from b1tching. Houston Sport Fan absolutely earns the reputation he has in the sports community.
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Give us an above average quarterback with this team as it now is and we would be a super bowl caliber team. BO is pure garbage. Glad to beat the Jags but like last season this team does not have an above avarage quarterback and that has to bother most of you. All the money we spent on a quarterback thats closer to trash than being a chunk of coal with the potential to be a diamond.

Not having a real leader with talent at the quarterback position really hurts. I would be happy if Brock got injured enough to have Tom Savage get a chance to start a game and see if the offense is any better.
 
infantrycak said:
All true but it was ugly. Not ugly 90s Cowboys going to ram Emmitt in your grill ugly. Just ugly.

But the one thing this season is coaches be damned Brock will find his TEs. These guys have not magically transformed. They have a QB who looks at them.

Trying to find a saving grace. We've had QBs who could only pass outside the hash and now we have one who can only pass inside.
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I agree it was not pretty but they went into this game wanting to pound the rock.
Also just add up who was missing from our lineup yesterday and you begin to appreciate this game a bit more. Example, even Bouye didn't play.
Also consider that Jags dline is pretty solid.
 
driller80545 said:
I see only about 4 different run plays, a couple of screens, and the same pass routes over and over.
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Reminds me of Gary Kubiak. Brock came to Houston to break away from the kind of offense he had in Denver and as it stands not much has changed.

The first two games we played has George Godsey coordinating and I saw enough that I though if GG stayed the coordinator we would be much further along on offense.

I am happy to be winning and I expected the game with Jacksonville to be anything but easy. Still in my opinion coach BO could be a bit more creative offensively.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Give us an above average quarterback with this team as it now is and we would be a super bowl caliber team. BO is pure garbage. Glad to beat the Jags but like last season this team does not have an above avarage quarterback and that has to bother most of you. All the money we spent on a quarterback thats closer to trash than being a chunk of coal with the potential to be a diamond.

Not having a real leader with talent at the quarterback position really hurts. I would be happy if Brock got injured enough to have Tom Savage get a chance to start a game and see if the offense is any better.
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You are answering with a hypothetical. Did you think going into this year, with Brock as the starting QB as announced from the first day of free agency, that this team was Super Bowl caliber? Did you think going into this year, with Brock as the starting QB, that this team would be better than 6-3 at this point in the season?
 
infantrycak said:
All true but it was ugly. Not ugly 90s Cowboys going to ram Emmitt in your grill ugly - beautiful ugly. Just ugly.

But the one thing this season is coaches be damned Brock will find his TEs. These guys have not magically transformed. They have a QB who looks at them.

Trying to find a saving grace. We've had QBs who could only pass outside the hash and now we have one who can only pass inside.
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And why can't we have the best of both worlds? A QB who can pass outside and inside the hashes.
 
Texansphan said:
I agree it was not pretty but they went into this game wanting to pound the rock.
Also just add up who was missing from our lineup yesterday and you begin to appreciate this game a bit more. Example, even Bouye didn't play.
Also consider that Jags dline is pretty solid.
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I tried that approach and it's not working. But I am happy with the fact that we beat another divisional foe.
 
sandman said:
You are answering with a hypothetical. Did you think going into this year, with Brock as the starting QB as announced from the first day of free agency, that this team was Super Bowl caliber? Did you think going into this year, with Brock as the starting QB, that this team would be better than 6-3 at this point in the season?
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I predicted a 6-3 record, but I also predicted much better production from our new shiny QB.
 
sandman said:
Top 5 defense. Top 5 rushing offense. TE's are 65/600/5 so far this year.

Did we as fans not demand that the defense not start slow like the last two seasons? Check. Even the run defense has been good the last two games

Did we as fans not demand that the offense get a running game and use the TE's? Check.

Did we not say that the Texans with a strong defense and RB/TE play could overcome a game managing QB? Check. The Texans are 6-3, even with a struggling QB and multiple starters out for the season, including a 3x DPOY.

Again, tell me what game(s) the Texans lost this season that you didn't expect them to lose before the season started.

Now tell me if you legitimately thought the Texans were competing for a Super Bowl this year.

I suspect that the answers will be None and No. But that's not going to stop people from b1tching. Houston Sport Fan absolutely earns the reputation he has in the sports community.
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We were looking for more than a game managing QB. And at this point I wouldn't call Brock a game manager just yet, he's actually worse.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I predicted a 6-3 record, but I also predicted much better production from our new shiny QB.
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That's fair. My perspective had nothing to do with saying Brock's play as been anything other than disappointing. I was just trying to show that even with his poor play, they are 6-3. Even with JJ gone for the season, the defense is Top 5. Even with a seriously depleted O-line, they are Top 5 in rushing. This team should be 3-6 with all of those things happening and should have imploded with that tough first half of the season schedule.
 
sandman said:
That's fair. My perspective had nothing to do with saying Brock's play as been anything other than disappointing. I was just trying to show that even with his poor play, they are 6-3. Even with JJ gone for the season, the defense is Top 5. Even with a seriously depleted O-line, they are Top 5 in rushing. This team should be 3-6 with all of those things happening and should have imploded with that tough first half of the season schedule.
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This is my stance as well. We are winning despite Brock's horrendous play. We're winning without the best defensive lineman of our generation. So I'm proud of this team. It shows me that we have a heart after all. I just wish we would show it against stiffer competition though.
 
I would say I'm glad the Texans won, but I'm not. I genuinely don't care. But they did enough to win that game and the reason I'm always against tanking is because I think it breeds a losing culture.

I don't think the Texans are a good football team and I don't think OB is a good coach. But when the next guy takes over (hopefully not after 2-14 and getting the 1st overall pick), there will be a solid foundation/culture in place. Whatever I didn't like about Kub, he left a solid foundation in place. At this point those are my expectations for OB. To just leave a solid foundation/culture in place for the next guy.
 
dream_team said:
I wonder if the Texans fan base is the only one that complains about every single player on the roster and the whole front office... but the team still continues to have winning seasons and make playoffs. JJ is probably the only guy free of criticism.


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That would be no.

Go check out some of the MB's of teams that have won superbowls over the past few years. Hell, even check the Broncos board sometime.
 
I'd totally tank for Lamar Jackson next year. Last year of the Brock Osweiler Experiment, **** the proverbial bed and finally get a franchise QB.
 
I watched again last night. You know, there's no reason on earth to keep putting Osweiler out there. It's possible, I suppose, that after a year or two he might become a passable QB, but he can do that riding the bench, practicing off the playing field. It's not helping him being out there screwing up now, week after week, no matter what the conventional wisdom is.

So, take him out. Either of the backups will do a better job in the games than Osweiler has been doing. I favor trying Savage first, but the other guy has already shown his capability last year in game action, so maybe that's the way to go.

But for heaven's sakes, please do the right thing and take the load off Brock. It's not helping him.
 
TripleTap said:
I watched again last night. You know, there's no reason on earth to keep putting Osweiler out there. It's possible, I suppose, that after a year or two he might become a passable QB, but he can do that riding the bench, practicing off the playing field. It's not helping him being out there screwing up now, week after week, no matter what the conventional wisdom is.

So, take him out. Either of the backups will do a better job in the games than Osweiler has been doing. I favor trying Savage first, but the other guy has already shown his capability last year in game action, so maybe that's the way to go.

But for heaven's sakes, please do the right thing and take the load off Brock. It's not helping him.
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Team is 6-3 overall and 3-0 in the division but you want to change that up... for heaven's sake
 
I can think of 18 million reasons why brock is out there .... well not really but

the thing with savage is hes made of glass and we just got a lot of ??????????????????????? with him

and weeden is weeden
 
I haven't been on the Savage bandwagon mostly because it doesn't seem like the coaches were all that high on him.....but I have to believe he'd be better that brockweiler.
 
Thats the thing with Brock that is frustrating for everyone. Its the interceptions, the inaccuracy, the bad pocket presence, and not being able to convert third downs to keep the offense on the field.

The team is 6-3 but we aren't excited about that because we saw how inept we looked especially on offense against New England, Minnesota, and Denver. We just know if the Texans manage to win the division we are going to run into a team like KC,Denver, or Oakland in the wild card round and get smashed again.
 
JB said:
Team is 6-3 overall and 3-0 in the division but you want to change that up... for heaven's sake
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Team is 6-3 overall and 3-0 in the division in spite of having one of the absolute worst QB's in the NFL but you don't want to change that up... for heaven's sake. Who doesn't know how this story is going to end? Here's a hint. Replay last years playoff game. Having a decent QB gives you a chance. Having a lousy QB dooms the team.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Team is 6-3 overall and 3-0 in the division in spite of having one of the absolute worst QB's in the NFL but you don't want to change that up... for heaven's sake. Who doesn't know how this story is going to end? Here's a hint. Replay last years playoff game. Having a decent QB gives you a chance. Having a lousy QB dooms the team.
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As does having a lousy coach, or a lousy defense, or a lousy running game or a ....
 
texanhead08 said:
We just know if the Texans manage to win the division we are going to run into a team like KC,Denver, or Oakland in the wild card round and get smashed again.
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You don't know what another month and a half of Brock Osweiler will net us in terms of production. He could be firing on all cylinders by the time the playoffs roll around and we're hosting an AFC wild-card game.

He can't play any worse than Brian Hoyer did in last year's 30-0 loss to the Chiefs can he? All he has to do is show up and not turn the ball over five or six times and that's already an improvement.

We already beat the Chiefs at home this year. If we can beat the Raiders on Monday Night that will give us a lot of confidence. We had a small lead on the Broncos going into the second quarter at Denver before the wheels fell off. But we had the right gameplan going into it.

None of those AFC West teams should scare us. Especially if they're coming into our house for a playoff game. A place we are undefeated at this year.
 
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All he has to do is show up and not turn the ball over five or six times and that's already an improvement.
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In 9 games this year he has thrown at least one INT in 7 of games, fumbled 3 times in the 8th game (lost one - Broncos), and has been "clean" in one game. At this point I don't know if I'd take a bet on Brock not turning the ball over 5 or 6 times.
 
JB said:
As does having a lousy coach, or a lousy defense, or a lousy running game or a ....
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an inept GM
blindly loyal owner

You'll get no argument from me on your points. This sorry combination is good enough to win a bad division but not good enough to beat the better teams in the regular season or playoffs.
 
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Again, tell me what game(s) the Texans lost this season that you didn't expect them to lose before the season started.
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I'd say Minnesota.
ESPECIALLY after they lost Bridgewater and AP for the season. I figured we had a good shot at winning that one.

But you have a point. We're on top of our division with a winning record.

And I think O'Brien has recognized the real strength of this team and it is NOT at QB. So he's running the ball. Successfully. Fifth, league-wide in rushing; dead ass last in passing.

If we could just get Allen to stop f'king holding (I counted at least three - including the one that brought back Hunt's stellar gain) we might be even better.

I fear that other teams will see that Osweiler isn't going deep any more - especially with Fuller out - and will put 8 guys in the box.

Then what?
 
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