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My main qualm is that this was the first year where they finally 'went for it' and splurged on a QB and they decide to do it on Brock freaking Osweiler. Almost 2 decades and we make our splash with this guy.Point being is even if they pay the kings ransom to move up and draft a blue chip QB, who really has faith that the people in charge of those decisions will be able to identify the right guy? Its a systemic ineptitude that goes beyond Osweiler and O'Brien IMO.
 
Uncle Rico said:
My main qualm is that this was the first year where they finally 'went for it' and splurged on a QB and they decide to do it on Brock freaking Osweiler.
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I'm with you. I didn't think anything of Osweiler coming out in the draft. actually I was like, "WTF, they just signed Peyton."

who did you like in this year's draft?
 
Uncle Rico said:
My main qualm is that this was the first year where they finally 'went for it' and splurged on a QB and they decide to do it on Brock freaking Osweiler. Almost 2 decades and we make our splash with this guy.Point being is even if they pay the kings ransom to move up and draft a blue chip QB, who really has faith that the people in charge of those decisions will be able to identify the right guy? Its a systemic ineptitude that goes beyond Osweiler and O'Brien IMO.
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It is systematic i think and id wager Mcnair is more of a Jerry Jones type of owner then we all realize. He needs to be completely out of the decision making process.

It's a shame they stepped out on a limb to make such a big move in free agency. Oz is teaching them not to take such a risk again i fear.


thunderkyss said:
who did you like in this year's draft?
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Dak actually. I know that sounds convenient now. All i saw of him last year was the senior bowl and i came away thinking he was a poor man's Cam. After the draft i complimented him to a few boys fans i know. I didn't think Ezekiel was a good pick however.

I liked pax to but felt like he wouldn't be there for us. Also, thought he'd need a lot of coaching.

When oz came out in the draft i didn't think much of him. Never watched him - just read a lot of scouting reports. I saw a bit of him last year. When we signed him i felt like he was the best option possible. I had no expectation he would be Montana. I just didn't want him to be Carr.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm with you. I didn't think anything of Osweiler coming out in the draft. actually I was like, "WTF, they just signed Peyton."

who did you like in this year's draft?
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I would have pissed off the world and picked a QB at 1 when we had it. Dont care who at this point, but you know I'm a Teddy B guy. Last year I wasnt really high on anyone honestly. Im surprised Wenz and Dak are doing well, but its amazing what a good OLine will do for a QB.
 
powda said:
It is systematic i think and id wager Mcnair is more of a Jerry Jones type of owner then we all realize. He needs to be completely out of the decision making process.

It's a shame they stepped out on a limb to make such a big move in free agency. Oz is teaching them not to take such a risk again i fear.




Dak actually. I know that sounds convenient now. All i saw of him last year was the senior bowl and i came away thinking he was a poor man's Cam. After the draft i complimented him to a few boys fans i know. I didn't think Ezekiel was a good pick however.

I liked pax to but felt like he wouldn't be there for us. Also, thought he'd need a lot of coaching.

When oz came out in the draft i didn't think much of him. Never watched him - just read a lot of scouting reports. I saw a bit of him last year. When we signed him i felt like he was the best option possible. I had no expectation he would be Montana. I just didn't want him to be Carr.
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If he isnt' a meddling owner then he allows incompetence to permeate thus stuck in the limbo of mediocrity. As long as the cash keeps getting dropped off in dump trucks each week there isnt much need to pander to the fans I guess.
 
thunderkyss said:
That & it takes more than 14 games to decide if a guy has what it takes.
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I've seen your pre-draft analysis. Before they were drafted you wrote Carr, Bortles and Bridgewater didn't have what it took. So far, in their young careers Osweiler looks to be worse than that bunch. I'm not counting him out, just pointing something out. We don't know what we don't know.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just think, if Rick had picked Jimmy G. (Like many others and myself wanted at the time) instead of XSF, or made sure and traded up like Rick did this yr the Texans fortunes would be in much better shape.
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Would they?

How do you know O'Brien/Godsey would be any better at training Garappolo than he has been at training Osweiler or Mallett or Hoyer or even Savage. O'Brien has had three years to get Savage - the only QB he personally drafted - ready to be a starter, yet we had to go spend $72 mil to get someone's backup.

Kubiak turned Schaub from a back up with just 2-3 starts into a pro bowl QB in three years.

Just sayin'
 
ObsiWan said:
Would they?

How do you know O'Brien/Godsey would be any better at training Garappolo than he has been at training Osweiler or Mallett or Hoyer or even Savage. O'Brien has had three years to get Savage - the only QB he personally drafted - ready to be a starter, yet we had to go spend $72 mil to get someone's backup.

Kubiak turned Schaub from a back up with just 2-3 starts into a pro bowl QB in three years.

Just sayin'
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I really like Jimmy G coming out of college. He's got something theothers you listed dont have. (Accuracy) I wish Rick wouldn't have IR'ed Savage last yr. That move probably cost McNair 72 mil and if Savage had played he could've given an Os performance for alot less $$$$. Of course Os hasn't set the bar very high.

BOB got the best yrs out of both Fitz/Hoyer so I believe he knows what he's doing. Os is hopefully just going thru a bad stretch or unfortunately he may really stink.

What this has to do with Kubiak is beyond me. Bottom line for me is Kubiak didn't get the job done here in Houston. (Not all his doing) Lets hope BOB gets the job done.
 
ObsiWan said:
Would they?

How do you know O'Brien/Godsey would be any better at training Garappolo than he has been at training Osweiler or Mallett or Hoyer or even Savage. O'Brien has had three years to get Savage - the only QB he personally drafted - ready to be a starter, yet we had to go spend $72 mil to get someone's backup.

Kubiak turned Schaub from a back up with just 2-3 starts into a pro bowl QB in three years.

Just sayin'
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I really liked Jimmy G coming out of college. He's got something the others you listed dont have. (Accuracy) I wish Rick wouldn't have IR'ed Savage last yr. That move probably cost McNair 72 mil and if Savage had played he could've given an Os performance for alot less $$$$. Of course Os hasn't set the bar very high.

BOB got the best yrs out of both Fitz/Hoyer so I believe he knows what he's doing. Os is hopefully just going thru a bad stretch or unfortunately he may really stink.

What this has to do with Kubiak is beyond me. Bottom line for me is Kubiak didn't get the job done here in Houston. (Not all his doing) Lets hope BOB gets the job done.
 
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I brought up Kubiak only for the timeline comparison. Three years after Kubiak went out and got Schaub he had him playing at a high level - not "elite" so let's not start that argument again:D - but at a relatively high level for someone with Schaub's measurables. NFLDraft Scout had him rated as a 3rd/4th rd pick at best.

I'm with you in that I think the headshed (O'Brien/Smith/McNair) should have given Savage a fair shot to start. After three years in this system he ought to be ready to take the reins or the coaching staff wasn't doing their job.

...unless, like some are speculating, it was Uncle Bob (McNair) fell in love with Osweiler and gave the specific order to go get him. I can't take that possibility off the table given Uncle Bob's history.
 
ObsiWan said:
I brought up Kubiak only for the timeline comparison. Three years after Kubiak went out and got Schaub he had him playing at a high level - not "elite" so let's not start that argument again:D - but at a relatively high level for someone with Schaub's measurables. NFLDraft Scout had him rated as a 3rd/4th rd pick at best.

I'm with you in that I think the headshed (O'Brien/Smith/McNair) should have given Savage a fair shot to start. After three years in this system he ought to be ready to take the reins or the coaching staff wasn't doing their job.

...unless, like some are speculating, it was Uncle Bob (McNair) fell in love with Osweiler and gave the specific order to go get him. I can't take that possibility off the table given Uncle Bob's history.
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Thats an interesting theory.
 
steelbtexan said:
What this has to do with Kubiak is beyond me. Bottom line for me is Kubiak didn't get the job done here in Houston. (Not all his doing) Lets hope BOB gets the job done.
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He did go 12-4 back in 2012. Had us sitting on top of the football world with an 11-1 record through 12 games as well. It's a shame the wheels fell off and we finished 1-3 down the stretch and had to play in a wild-card game.

We were so close to getting home field advantage and a first-round bye. Had we played the Patriots in Houston in the divisional round who knows what could have happened!

That 2-14 season in 2013 so many things went wrong for us. I hated that we laid the blame solely on Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips. A lot of those losses were close games. We had big leads in a few of them: 20-3 halftime lead over the Seahawks that we lost in overtime. 21-3 halftme lead over the Colts that we lost on primetime TV (Kubiak collapsed at halftime).

All I know is Kubiak and Phillips are trying to win back-to-back Super Bowls in Denver. And they would do it inside NRG Stadium if they're able to accomplish it. Although I do think the Patriots will beat the Cowboys in Super Bowl 51 at NRG Stadium. I would be cheering for the Cowboys in that game but the Patriots are at another level compared to every other team.

As others have said, Gary Kubiak developed Matt Schaub from a backup to a pro bowl MVP in only three years. Schaub led the entire league in passing yards one year. Kubiak also had Brock Osweiler playing better football in his system during his starts last season. Kubiak knows how to groom a quarterback. O'Brien hasn't shown that ability quite yet. Despite being known as a quarterbacks guru from his past days of working with Tom Brady and his time at Penn State: He would often hold quarterback seminars for high school coaches.

Looking back, I wish we had kept our old coaching staff in place. We should have allowed Kubiak to groom another young quaterback once it was obvious Schaub was damaged goods.

That being said Bill O'Brien is our guy. We have to support him.
Brock is our QB and ditto, we have no choice but to roll with it.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
He did go 12-4 back in 2012. Had us sitting on top of the football world with an 11-1 record through 12 games as well. It's a shame the wheels fell off and we finished 1-3 down the stretch and had to play in a wild-card game.

We were so close to getting home field advantage and a first-round bye. Had we played the Patriots in Houston in the divisional round who knows what could have happened!

That 2-14 season in 2013 so many things went wrong for us. I hated that we laid the blame solely on Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips. A lot of those losses were close games. We had big leads in a few of them: 20-3 halftime lead over the Seahawks that we lost in overtime. 21-3 halftme lead over the Colts that we lost on primetime TV (Kubiak collapsed at halftime).

All I know is Kubiak and Phillips are trying to win back-to-back Super Bowls in Denver. And they would do it inside NRG Stadium if they're able to accomplish it. Although I do think the Patriots will beat the Cowboys in Super Bowl 51 at NRG Stadium. I would be cheering for the Cowboys in that game but the Patriots are at another level compared to every other team.

As others have said, Gary Kubiak developed Matt Schaub from a backup to a pro bowl MVP in only three years. Schaub led the entire league in passing yards one year. Kubiak also had Brock Osweiler playing better football in his system during his starts last season. Kubiak knows how to groom a quarterback. O'Brien hasn't shown that ability quite yet. Despite being known as a quarterbacks guru from his past days of working with Tom Brady and his time at Penn State: He would often hold quarterback seminars for high school coaches.

Looking back, I wish we had kept our old coaching staff in place. We should have allowed Kubiak to groom another young quaterback once it was obvious Schaub was damaged goods.

That being said Bill O'Brien is our guy. We have to support him.
Brock is our QB and ditto, we have no choice but to roll with it.
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Different systems. Kubiak's system is easier to learn, BOB's system takes a while. Which is why Savage looked better than Os in the preseason.

Fitz had a career yr in his 1st season because he's a really smart guy. Hoyer already knew the system and had a career yr. The reason I was high on Os is he's more naturally gifted than Fitz/Hoyer put together. So far it looks like he has failed to fully grasp BOB's system. Which is understandable. Hopefully he gets better, but the accuracy issue should be troublesome to all Texan fans.

I said this from the begining, IMHO Os was a McNair call and if McNair got lucky his team would be SB contenders for yrs to come. So far it appears that McNair crapped out.
 
LikeMike said:
I am not saying I believe in Osweiler but - with this O-Line most QBs would look bad. All Pats QBs look good. Why? Because of scheme and O-line.

Before we think about dumping Osweiler we should think about upgrading our O-line. It's time to draft a tackle with our first rounder next season and sign a proven guard - maybe even another tackle. Because something else is true: a great O-line can make any QB look good. And one thing I like about Osweiler: he seems to be pretty comfortable when the game is on the line late in the 4th.

Accept it: we took a bet on Osweiler and we will at least give him 2 seasons. We gave him the weapons, we have the defense, now let's start protecting him so we can see what we got.
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^^^This^^^
Plus I would also like to see a decent downhill thumper who runs angry. Lamar Miller is more of an outside the tackles runner and Blue is good, but not as impactful as I would like to see.
Osweiler has to be given more time. Several very good HoF QB's had horrible starts to their careers for a season or much more.
 
Texansphan said:
^^^This^^^
Plus I would also like to see a decent downhill thumper who runs angry. Lamar Miller is more of an outside the tackles runner and Blue is good, but not as impactful as I would like to see.
Osweiler has to be given more time. Several very good HoF QB's had horrible starts to their careers for a season or much more.
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I really want to see them focus on the O-Line next Draft/FA. Upgrade the line and our RBs will suddenly become much better. Would also like to see them pick an impact D-Lineman in next years draft.
 
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I really want to see them focus on the O-Line next Draft/FA. Upgrade the line and our RBs will suddenly become much better. Would also like to see them pick an impact D-Lineman in next years draft.
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Agree.
Duane Brown is not getting any younger so draft a LT prospect and let him adjust and learn the system at RT.
If a good RB looks like being available in the third, take a D-lineman in the second.
A good RB can help not only the QB, but the o-line as well.
Remember how good Foster made our line look?
 
Texansphan said:
Agree.
Duane Brown is not getting any younger so draft a LT prospect and let him adjust and learn the system at RT.
If a good RB looks like being available in the third, take a D-lineman in the second.
A good RB can help not only the QB, but the o-line as well.
Remember how good Foster made our line look?
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So you don't like Miller?


You know Foster was an UDFA right? Why waste a 3rd?
 
Texansphan said:
Agree.
Duane Brown is not getting any younger so draft a LT prospect and let him adjust and learn the system at RT.
If a good RB looks like being available in the third, take a D-lineman in the second.
A good RB can help not only the QB, but the o-line as well.
Remember how good Foster made our line look?
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Bummer is the OT talent in this draft.
 
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So you don't like Miller?


You know Foster was an UDFA right? Why waste a 3rd?
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So far he has been just okay as Texans have been forced to use him between the tackles because they spent all that money on him. I think we have all seen how much better he has been on the edges or thrown short passes out on the flats.
Notice how Texans have been using Blue more often especially in the second half of games? This is to lessen the amount of carries Miller has to make but also because Blue is bigger and better between the tackles.
The chances of picking up another UDFA as good as Foster are remote.
Cowboys took Elliot at #4 - seems to be working out okay for them. ;)
 
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Texansphan said:
So far he has been just okay as Texans have been forced to use him between the tackles because they spent all that money on him. I think we have all seen how much better he has been on the edges or thrown short passes out on the flats.
Notice how Texans have been using Blue more often especially in the second half of games? This is to lessen the amount of carries Miller has to make but also because Blue is bigger and better between the tackles.
The chances of picking up another UDFA as good as Foster are remote.
Cowboys took Elliot at #4 - seems to be working out okay for them. ;)
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Thing is, there's no RBs close to Elliott's talent level in this upcoming draft.
And I keep hearing the TV talking heads say that the 2017 talent level at QB is subpar too.
 
ObsiWan said:
Thing is, there's no RBs close to Elliott's talent level in this upcoming draft.
And I keep hearing the TV talking heads say that the 2017 talent level at QB is subpar too.
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Meh, from what I have seen so far, there are 5 who could very likely go in the first round - Fournette, Cook, McCaffery, Chubb and Freeman. Who wouldn't want any one of those 5 on their team? I haven't gone further down the rounds yet as it is still a bit too early but am keen on checking out who might be available in rounds 3-4. Hopefully the rest of the draft is deep at RB.
 
Rick Smith should be fired, based on his panic mode stupid pathetic long term contract to Osweiler.

Question - I am new How do i start a new thread????
 
Texansphan said:
So far he has been just okay as Texans have been forced to use him between the tackles because they spent all that money on him. I think we have all seen how much better he has been on the edges or thrown short passes out on the flats.
Notice how Texans have been using Blue more often especially in the second half of games? This is to lessen the amount of carries Miller has to make but also because Blue is bigger and better between the tackles.
The chances of picking up another UDFA as good as Foster are remote.
Cowboys took Elliot at #4 - seems to be working out okay for them. ;)
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Just so we are clear on what you are saying: Miller is "just okay" because he is 4th in the NFL in rushing behind an Oline obliterated by injury, and Elliott gets all the credit for leading the league while running behind one of the best Olines in the league?
 
sandman said:
Just so we are clear on what you are saying: Miller is "just okay" because he is 4th in the NFL in rushing behind an Oline obliterated by injury, and Elliott gets all the credit for leading the league while running behind one of the best Olines in the league?
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Are you suggesting Lamar Miller is on the same level as Elliott? Elliott is the best RB to hit the league since AP. Let's be real here
 
CannedHeat said:
Are you suggesting Lamar Miller is on the same level as Elliott? Elliott is the best RB to hit the league since AP. Let's be real here
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8 games in and he's best running back in the league since AP? You're easy to please
 
CannedHeat said:
Are you suggesting Lamar Miller is on the same level as Elliott? Elliott is the best RB to hit the league since AP. Let's be real here
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Sorry, but I'm not seeing that. AP looked a lot better if you ask me. AP didn't go to an Oline like the Cowboys have. AP is the best RB of this generation along with Ladanian Tomlinson. Elliot has a long way to go before getting compared to that.
 
sandman said:
Just so we are clear on what you are saying: Miller is "just okay" because he is 4th in the NFL in rushing behind an Oline obliterated by injury, and Elliott gets all the credit for leading the league while running behind one of the best Olines in the league?
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How many carries does he take to achieve that?
Just to be clear, I was saying he is better running outside the tackles which is evidenced by the fact that the Texans bring in Blue to give Miller a breather.Not saying bigger backs don't need breathers I am saying he uses Blue almost exclusively between the tackles.
 
ObsiWan said:
Thing is, there's no RBs close to Elliott's talent level in this upcoming draft.
And I keep hearing the TV talking heads say that the 2017 talent level at QB is subpar too.
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The kid out of LSU (Fournette ?) is better, he's considered a legit top 5 pick.
Murrey, the current Tennesse RB, was very good for the Cowboys a few years ago and they got him in the third or second round as I recall.
 
Texecutioner said:
Sorry, but I'm not seeing that. AP looked a lot better if you ask me. AP didn't go to an Oline like the Cowboys have. AP is the best RB of this generation along with Ladanian Tomlinson. Elliot has a long way to go before getting compared to that.
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He didn't say he's absolutely as good or better than AP, just the best back since him. I'd agree with that.
 
Texecutioner said:
There is not nearly enough game time to nearly suggest that. There have been all types of RB's that have gotten super hot since AP hit the league. Just last season people were saying the same thing about Todd Gurley.
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I'm glad you feel that way. I feel good saying I believe it.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I may be missing how that factors somehow, but sure man, won't forget.
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How many Cowboys players at skill positions have had long term success in the last 12 to 15 years?

Pretty much none. They've all had short term successes for a year or two or maybe three at the most and have somehow crumbled due to the team unraveling, injuries, or poor management from the front office and coaching staff. The Cowboys historically create the worst luck for themselves.
 
Texecutioner said:
How many Cowboys players at skill positions have had long term success in the last 12 to 15 years?

Pretty much none. They've all had short term successes for a year or two or maybe three at the most and have somehow crumbled due to the team unraveling, injuries, or poor management from the front office and coaching staff. The Cowboys historically create the worst luck for themselves.
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No reason to think Dez Bryant won't keep chugging along as a stud WR, Romo's had 8 years of mostly very good QB play, and Witten may be a HoF'er over the last 12.

Assuming you won't agree with those for some reason, I also remember when Tampa couldn't win in cold weather or a dome team couldn't win the SB.

Alas, things change.
 
Mollywhopper said:
No reason to think Dez Bryant won't keep chugging along as a stud WR, Romo's had 8 years of mostly very good QB play, and Witten may be a HoF'er over the last 12.

Assuming you won't agree with those for some reason, I also remember when Tampa couldn't win in cold weather or a dome team couldn't win the SB.

Alas, things change.
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Dez? Lol! He is much better known for being inconsistent and immature. He may have the talent of Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson, but is rarely ever healthy and he has been in the news all year for whether or not if the Cowboys are better off without him. So much for that as an example.

And Romo? Just how many playoff games has he won? One? He has choked in so many big moments of his career. He is a good player, but he can't ever sustain great play consistently. His career is pretty much over at least for the Cowboys.

Neither of these are examples, nor have they accomplished anything.
 
IDEXAN said:
The kid out of LSU (Fournette ?) is better, he's considered a legit top 5 pick.
Murrey, the current Tennesse RB, was very good for the Cowboys a few years ago and they got him in the third or second round as I recall.
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Fournette has missed 3-4 games this season with a bad ankle. Not sure he'll still go top five.
And I didn't know he was coming out in the 2017 draft, thought he was in the 2018 draft.
 
Texecutioner said:
Dez? Lol! He is much better known for being inconsistent and immature. He may have the talent of Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson, but is rarely ever healthy and he has been in the news all year for whether or not if the Cowboys are better off without him. So much for that as an example.

And Romo? Just how many playoff games has he won? One? He has choked in so many big moments of his career. He is a good player, but he can't ever sustain great play consistently. His career is pretty much over at least for the Cowboys.

Neither of these are examples, nor have they accomplished anything.
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Dez is also known for putting up multiple 88+ rec/1200+ yard/12+ TD seasons. Lulz though, man!

Romo's played consistently well for many years, like I said. He hasn't had great postseason success, sure. Guess you'd think Marino and B. Sanders wouldn't count either then.

And as I knew you wouldn't begin to see things any other way, I included more to the point in my post.

No reason Zeke can't see a long, successful career. And as the best back since AP.
 
I'd rather Trade Hopkins and a 3rd round pick for Dak Prescott. Now, I know y'all probably think I'm retarded for even thinking the Cowboys would ever consider such a trade, but I think y'all are just as crazy if y'all think Bellichic would consider trading his potential (future) franchise QB. Unless, Jimmy isn't as good as everyone around here thinks he is.
 
Mangler said:
I'd rather Trade Hopkins and a 3rd round pick for Dak Prescott. Now, I know y'all probably think I'm retarded for even thinking the Cowboys would ever consider such a trade, but I think y'all are just as crazy if y'all think Bellichic would consider trading his potential (future) franchise QB. Unless, Jimmy isn't as good as everyone around here thinks he is.
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I wouldn't trade for either at the moment - I'm personally in the camp of ride with BO until he undeniably proves he can't be a quality QB or for the love of all things football draft our own damn QB instead of searching through the NFL equivalent of the QB lost and found bin.

But the two examples you give aren't great to compare against (and I wanted to draft Dak)...

Dak appears to be the new Cowboy QB of the now (it seems even when Romo is healthy), Jimmy is still the when "Brady is done" option. And as it appears Brady is just going to keep chugging along until he is 50 that day may not come before his rookie deal is up. Belichick has repeatedly been willing to draft a new young backup QB and trade/cut the one approaching a new deal.

+ Belichick would trade his grandma for a 2nd round pick. :)
 
Mangler said:
I'd rather Trade Hopkins and a 3rd round pick for Dak Prescott. Now, I know y'all probably think I'm retarded for even thinking the Cowboys would ever consider such a trade, but I think y'all are just as crazy if y'all think Bellichic would consider trading his potential (future) franchise QB. Unless, Jimmy isn't as good as everyone around here thinks he is.
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He won't have a choice. The Pats can't afford to pay Brady and Jimmy. Jimmy will just walk. Pats would have to get rid of Brady.
 
Texansphan said:
Just to be clear, I was saying he is better running outside the tackles which is evidenced by the fact that the Texans bring in Blue to give Miller a breather.Not saying bigger backs don't need breathers I am saying he uses Blue almost exclusively between the tackles.
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That's not correct, it's not a fact & it's not evidence of anything.

Miller ran between the tackles just fine in Miami, & he was doing a good job for us as well. he took a shot to the shoulder that rocked him a little. that's the only reason Blue got as many touches as he did
 
Texecutioner said:
He won't have a choice. The Pats can't afford to pay Brady and Jimmy. Jimmy will just walk. Pats would have to get rid of Brady.
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Good question....
Will Belichick cut his good luck charm (Brady) loose or try and get something for Garappolo before his contract runs out at the end of 2017? Before you say
"he'll never let Brady go" remember Belichick would rather cut you a year too soon than a year too late. And not even Brady is bigger than "the good of the team". Even Peyton Manning and Joe Montana got cut loose. So no one is absolutely untouchable.
and if Belichick decides to deal Garappolo instead of letting a 40-something Brady go, that makes me wonder how good Garappolo might be.

Either way, that'll be interesting to watch.
 
sandman said:
Just so we are clear on what you are saying: Miller is "just okay" because he is 4th in the NFL in rushing behind an Oline obliterated by injury, and Elliott gets all the credit for leading the league while running behind one of the best Olines in the league?
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How many carries does he take to achieve that?
Just to be clear, I was saying he is better running outside the tackles which is evidenced by the fact that the Texans bring in Blue to give Miller a breather.Not saying bigger backs don't need breathers I am saying he uses Blue almost exclusively between the tackles.
thunderkyss said:
That's not correct, it's not a fact & it's not evidence of anything.

Miller ran between the tackles just fine in Miami, & he was doing a good job for us as well. he took a shot to the shoulder that rocked him a little. that's the only reason Blue got as many touches as he did
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Not to seem argumentive - Miller's snaps in Houston are up over 35% from previous years.
Blue has had 1 reception.
 
This thread is stupid.

ObsiWan said:
Good question....
Will Belichick cut his good luck charm (Brady) loose or try and get something for Garappolo before his contract runs out at the end of 2017? Before you say
"he'll never let Brady go" remember Belichick would rather cut you a year too soon than a year too late. And not even Brady is bigger than "the good of the team". Even Peyton Manning and Joe Montana got cut loose. So no one is absolutely untouchable.
and if Belichick decides to deal Garappolo instead of letting a 40-something Brady go, that makes me wonder how good Garappolo might be.

Either way, that'll be interesting to watch.
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Will never happen.
 
ObsiWan said:
Good question....
Will Belichick cut his good luck charm (Brady) loose or try and get something for Garappolo before his contract runs out at the end of 2017? Before you say
"he'll never let Brady go" remember Belichick would rather cut you a year too soon than a year too late. And not even Brady is bigger than "the good of the team". Even Peyton Manning and Joe Montana got cut loose. So no one is absolutely untouchable.
and if Belichick decides to deal Garappolo instead of letting a 40-something Brady go, that makes me wonder how good Garappolo might be.

Either way, that'll be interesting to watch.
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Tony Dungy didn't cut Manning loose. And Bill Walsh didn't cut Montana loose.

And Belichick has never had to decide on whether he should cut Brady a year early or late yet. Really is a whole different scenario.

Not saying one way or another here on what BB will decide to do if/when Brady starts finally getting a couple scores down to father time, cause I just don't know. I think he'd put the team above Brady at some point, just like you do, but how much rope does he give him to find out? I don't think it's just as easy as to compare Brady to all the other gears in the machine that have been swapped out before him. There really is a pretty massive difference, one that I believe even The Hoody has some sentiment to. These guys joined the Pats the same season and have been going at this for 17 years now together, with at least another couple on the horizon. They've both witnessed so much roster turnover while winning SB's a decade apart. This ain't jettisoning some decent LG or even a pro-bowl LB like Jamie Collins. These two share probably the rarest combination of longevity and success in the history of the sport.

More than anything I think Brady would just call it a career before ever making Bill make that decision. He's been so balls to the wall about this game for so long now, and he's such a seemingly self-aware guy, that he may just decide one day that he's given all someone can to be great for himself and a franchise and ultimately just have the counterintuitive sense to simply be able to turn it off and make it easy for his HC.

Agreed 100% though, it'll be incredibly interesting to watch.
 
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