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Trade Hopkins and 2nd rounder for Jimmy G

Supertoad

Supertoad

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I am at the breaking point now. I would be willing to trade Hopkins and a 2nd round pick for Jimmy Garopollo.

Dump Osweiler after this season and eat the $.

Fire OB after this season but keep RC as defensive coach.

New coach, new qb, no hit for Hopkins on cap. I love Hopkins but no point if no one can throw it to him. I think we will survive with Fuller/BM/ ect.

Patriots would probably take this deal.

Thoughts?
 
Why would the Pats do a deal that involves them taking on a guy who'll be due a sizable contract soon?
 
Supertoad said:
I am at the breaking point now. I would be willing to trade Hopkins and a 2nd round pick for Jimmy Garopollo.

Dump Osweiler after this season and eat the $.

Fire OB after this season but keep RC as defensive coach.

New coach, new qb, no hit for Hopkins on cap. I love Hopkins but no point if no one can throw it to him. I think we will survive with Fuller/BM/ ect.

Patriots would probably take this deal.

Thoughts?
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I wanted the Texans to do this last season, and people blew me off like I was some foolish NE fanatic or something. I thought Garrapalo was the best prospect to target from other teams and in the draft. Doubt they trade him now.
 
Texecutioner said:
I wanted the Texans to do this last season, and people blew me off like I was some foolish NE fanatic or something. I thought Garrapalo was the best prospect to target from other teams and in the draft. Doubt they trade him now.
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Yeah I was so disgusted when we didn't draft him. I was huge on him. I think they would trade him for the right price. If it takes a first rounder so be it.

Yes Hopkins is due a contract but he probably wouldn't mind going to a team that will likely make the Superbowl for the next 3+ years and take a small hit. He would make up for it in endorsements ect.

The patriots would love another threat for Brady to throw to.
 
Supertoad said:
Yeah I was so disgusted when we didn't draft him. I was huge on him. I think they would trade him for the right price. If it takes a first rounder so be it.

Yes Hopkins is due a contract but he probably wouldn't mind going to a team that will likely make the Superbowl for the next 3+ years and take a small hit. He would make up for it in endorsements ect.

The patriots would love another threat for Brady to throw to.
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I don't think the Patriots get rid of Jimmy. I think they'll keep him.
 
Supertoad said:
Yeah I was so disgusted when we didn't draft him. I was huge on him. I think they would trade him for the right price. If it takes a first rounder so be it.

Yes Hopkins is due a contract but he probably wouldn't mind going to a team that will likely make the Superbowl for the next 3+ years and take a small hit. He would make up for it in endorsements ect.

The patriots would love another threat for Brady to throw to.
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I think you're underestimating what kind of life-altering money 'a small hit' would be.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't think the Patriots get rid of Jimmy. I think they'll keep him.
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What about that kid who beat us?
Jacoby Brissett, a third-round rookie.
He was drafted a round ahead of Dak Prescott.

Guys like that we should have been scouting!
We could have drafted a QB in this past draft.

Brock Osweiler better pan out. He's been bad overall.
We're still 4-3 and in first place in the AFC South.
 
Jimmy was the second guy I wanted in that draft. I thought we would get him in the second or third.

The ball just shoots out of his hand. He looks so smooth in the pocket to me.

I'd have rather gone that direction too, but that ship has sailed.
 
The sad thing is if we had any other QB we would be 6-1 or 5-2 and a chance to finish the season on a high note. So far Brock has gotten worse every game. He isn't a hero for getting a few drives together against a crap Indy defense.

Even if we don't get Jimmy G we should draft a qb and take the hit for dumping Osweiler. The Texans bet the house and the bet flopped... time to move on. You win some and lose some.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Why would the Pats do a deal that involves them taking on a guy who'll be due a sizable contract soon?
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Why would the Texans trade for another backup QB that is probably going to suck and whose success is likely due to the brilliant game planning of his coach? I mean the NFL has been through this...Patriots QBs suck unless they are playing for the Pats.

Now, trade Hopkins for Andrew Luck...sure.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Jimmy was the second guy I wanted in that draft. I thought we would get him in the second or third.

The ball just shoots out of his hand. He looks so smooth in the pocket to me.

I'd have rather gone that direction too, but that ship has sailed.
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I have no idea why Tex likes to "take credit" for "seeing" Garropolo.

Just because some posters didn't like the idea doesn't mean others agree (with those posters).
 
fiasco west said:
Why would the Texans trade for another backup QB that is probably going to suck and whose success is likely due to the brilliant game planning of his coach? I mean the NFL has been through this...Patriots QBs suck unless they are playing for the Pats.

Now, trade Hopkins for Andrew Luck...sure.
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Why are you asking me that?
 
Bulls on Parade said:
What about that kid who beat us?
Jacoby Brissett, a third-round rookie.
He was drafted a round ahead of Dak Prescott.

Guys like that we should have been scouting!
We could have drafted a QB in this past draft.

Brock Osweiler better pan out. He's been bad overall.
We're still 4-3 and in first place in the AFC South.
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I haven't seen anything impressive out of Brissett personally. Jimmy has a really nice arm and has shown a nice presence since he first took snaps as a rookie. It made the most sense in the world for us to go after him because he likely knew our system pretty well. Unfortunately, we got Oz instead.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
Why are you asking me that?
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Because you asked why would the Pats trade for Hopkins. You have it backwards. The Texans would be foolish to do that trade, they'd be the big losers. Pats would do that in a heartbeat, even if Hopkins expires soon. They'll take one good year out of him and likely win a superbowl then lowball him and say thanks for the trophy. Jimmy G has proved nothing in the NFL. The Texans need to stop taking retread backup QBs and draft and mold their own. I swear no other team focuses so much on back up and journeymen QBs than the Texans.
 
I am not saying I believe in Osweiler but - with this O-Line most QBs would look bad. All Pats QBs look good. Why? Because of scheme and O-line.

Before we think about dumping Osweiler we should think about upgrading our O-line. It's time to draft a tackle with our first rounder next season and sign a proven guard - maybe even another tackle. Because something else is true: a great O-line can make any QB look good. And one thing I like about Osweiler: he seems to be pretty comfortable when the game is on the line late in the 4th.

Accept it: we took a bet on Osweiler and we will at least give him 2 seasons. We gave him the weapons, we have the defense, now let's start protecting him so we can see what we got.
 
fiasco west said:
Because you asked why would the Pats trade for Hopkins. You have it backwards. The Texans would be foolish to do that trade, they'd be the big losers. Pats would do that in a heartbeat, even if Hopkins expires soon. They'll take one good year out of him and likely win a superbowl then lowball him and say thanks for the trophy. Jimmy G has proved nothing in the NFL. The Texans need to stop taking retread backup QBs and draft and mold their own. I swear no other team focuses so much on back up and journeymen QBs than the Texans.
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I didn't propose the trade to begin with.

As if the Pats need Hopkins to win another trophy. Or that they'd give anything of value to get him at only the most immediate gain.

What makes you think Garoppolo doesn't have what it takes anyway?
 
LikeMike said:
I am not saying I believe in Osweiler but - with this O-Line most QBs would look bad. All Pats QBs look good. Why? Because of scheme and O-line

Accept it: we took a bet on Osweiler and we will at least give him 2 seasons. We gave him the weapons, we have the defense, now let's start protecting him so we can see what we got.
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That's the thing; IF we had drafted a qb we could pay a good offensive line to protect and would be in better shape. The 72 million deal was moronic
 
Max said:
After reading this and the trade JJ thread, I now understand how we ended up w/ Trump and Clinton.
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Desperate times lead to irrational actions. I however don't think shooting for Jimmy G and drafting/paying an online is irrational. Paying 72 million for a crappy untested giraffe qb was however irrational
 
Mollywhopper said:
I didn't propose the trade to begin with.

As if the Pats need Hopkins to win another trophy. Or that they'd give anything of value to get him at only the most immediate gain.

What makes you think Garoppolo doesn't have what it takes anyway?
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I know you didn't propose the trade. I just disagree with you here. I think if proposed the Pats do that trade in a heartbeat. Immediate gain? This is the NFL, if you can swing a trade that gives you a chance at winning a superbowl right now you take it. Your star best player can have a career altering injury, you do everything in your power to win and win now.

Also I'm sure Garoppolo has it...if he sticks with the pats. History has not been kind to Patriot backups. Trading our best offensive player and for many an elite WR for a maybe is a bad idea for the Texans. That's why I'm saying the Pats jump all over that. They are fine with one year rentals. There would simply be no covering Gronk, Martellus, and Hopkins. The hoodie knows that. That is a guarantee super bowl appearance for them. Any team would trade their backup QB for that.
 
Supertoad said:
Desperate times lead to irrational actions. I however don't think shooting for Jimmy G and drafting/paying an online is irrational. Paying 72 million for a crappy untested giraffe qb was however irrational
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Jimmy G. Is more unproven than Osweiler was. After last season we didn't have many options. Stick with Hoyer? Hope Lynch drops to us in the draft and that he pans out eventually? Give Savage a chance? That were basically our alternatives. Os was a guy with a winning record, that learned behind Manning and showed up big in big games. It was a gamble worth taking - a costly one. But we had the defense in place and weren't prepared to wait for a young QB to develope.

We just desperately need to start giving the O-line more love. And to be fair, we had really bad luck with injuries at the O-line...
 
fiasco west said:
I know you didn't propose the trade. I just disagree with you here. I think if proposed the Pats do that trade in a heartbeat. Immediate gain? This is the NFL, if you can swing a trade that gives you a chance at winning a superbowl right now you take it. Your star best player can have a career altering injury, you do everything in your power to win and win now.

Also I'm sure Garoppolo has it...if he sticks with the pats. History has not been kind to Patriot backups. Trading our best offensive player and for many an elite WR for a maybe is a bad idea for the Texans. That's why I'm saying the Pats jump all over that. They are fine with one year rentals. There would simply be no covering Gronk, Martellus, and Hopkins. The hoodie knows that. That is a guarantee super bowl appearance for them. Any team would trade their backup QB for that.
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Everything you just said disregards the second sentence in my post you quoted.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Everything you just said disregards the second sentence in my post you quoted.
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No, because I know the Patriots take nothing for granted. You think Bilichick sits there and thinks "This team is good enough to win it all." and declines that trade? We are talking about the guy that never looks past the current moment here. This team is not opposed to stacking talent. They have the best TE in the NFL and then go out and get another elite TE. Oh yeah this TE is also in his contract year and has known to be a bit of a diva. Talk about risk right? They know there is a good chance this guy is gone next season but he gives them a better shot at winning now. Yeah, you offer this team an elite WR for their backup QB they do that in a heartbeat. It's the Texans that would say no. Like I said I just disagree. I think the Patriots accept that trade easily.
 
fiasco west said:
You think Bilichick sits there and thinks "This team is good enough to win it all." and declines that trade?
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Quite likely, yes.

He has a team that's well oiled right now as-is and may not want to lose his QB insurance police of at least the this and next season for a rental.
 
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I wouldn't do it. It would be making another bad move in response to a bad move you already made.

Obviously 2016 is what it is. We're playing out the season probably as-is with the players and coaches we have right now. After this season we can make some changes, maybe even meaningful ones but for now we have to sit tight and take our medicine. I hope Bob McNair gags on every spoonful of this season.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Quite likely, yes.

He has a team that's well oiled right now as-is and may not want to lose his QB insurance police of at least the this and next season for a rental.
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Agree to disagree. I think given the Pats history and given that Bill never takes anything for granted and isn't opposed to one year rentals he'd do this easily.
 
Hell at this point, I'd trade Watt/Hopkins/Clowney for Brady. Honestly, it would be a no brainer. That's how desperate I am for above average QB play.
 
fiasco west said:
Agree to disagree. I think given the Pats history and given that Bill never takes anything for granted and isn't opposed to one year rentals he'd do this easily.
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What is their history of trading known assets for prime superstar one-year rentals anyway?
 
Supertoad said:
I am at the breaking point now. I would be willing to trade Hopkins and a 2nd round pick for Jimmy Garopollo.

Dump Osweiler after this season and eat the $.

Fire OB after this season but keep RC as defensive coach.

New coach, new qb, no hit for Hopkins on cap. I love Hopkins but no point if no one can throw it to him. I think we will survive with Fuller/BM/ ect.

Patriots would probably take this deal.

Thoughts?
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Before we take another NE quarterback, tell me this: Does he consistently throw the ball on target? Does he look several places before he throws it? Does he ever change his mind about where he throws it?
 
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fiasco west said:
Because you asked why would the Pats trade for Hopkins. You have it backwards. The Texans would be foolish to do that trade, they'd be the big losers. Pats would do that in a heartbeat, even if Hopkins expires soon. They'll take one good year out of him and likely win a superbowl then lowball him and say thanks for the trophy. Jimmy G has proved nothing in the NFL. The Texans need to stop taking retread backup QBs and draft and mold their own. I swear no other team focuses so much on back up and journeymen QBs than the Texans.
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I agree with you on the bolded point. I honestly do not comprehend why this franchise has been so averse to developing a QB through the draft. Did the David Carr experience scare this owner that much?
 
fiasco west said:
Because you asked why would the Pats trade for Hopkins. You have it backwards. The Texans would be foolish to do that trade, they'd be the big losers. Pats would do that in a heartbeat, even if Hopkins expires soon. They'll take one good year out of him and likely win a superbowl then lowball him and say thanks for the trophy. Jimmy G has proved nothing in the NFL. The Texans need to stop taking retread backup QBs and draft and mold their own. I swear no other team focuses so much on back up and journeymen QBs than the Texans.
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I agree so much that it isn't enough just to like the post. You hit the target squarely in the middle of the center.
 
Maybe the browns would be desperate enough to take Brock. Heck we could take a few picks for him and cut our losses.
 
LikeMike said:
I am not saying I believe in Osweiler but - with this O-Line most QBs would look bad. All Pats QBs look good. Why? Because of scheme and O-line.

Before we think about dumping Osweiler we should think about upgrading our O-line. It's time to draft a tackle with our first rounder next season and sign a proven guard - maybe even another tackle. Because something else is true: a great O-line can make any QB look good. And one thing I like about Osweiler: he seems to be pretty comfortable when the game is on the line late in the 4th.

Accept it: we took a bet on Osweiler and we will at least give him 2 seasons. We gave him the weapons, we have the defense, now let's start protecting him so we can see what we got.
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Not sure where you are getting this idea that NE has a great Oline. They're average at best. They had the worst Oline in the league last season. Garrapalo looked good because he has shown that he is likely worthy of being a really good QB and maybe even great. Brissett didn't do anything impressive against the Texans and stunk it up in Minnesota.
 
Double Barrel said:
I agree with you on the bolded point. I honestly do not comprehend why this franchise has been so averse to developing a QB through the draft. Did the David Carr experience scare this owner that much?
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If it did then the Brock Osweiler experience is going to have him hiding under his bed and refusing to come out.
 
Supertoad said:
I am at the breaking point now. I would be willing to trade Hopkins and a 2nd round pick for Jimmy Garopollo.

Dump Osweiler after this season and eat the $.

Fire OB after this season but keep RC as defensive coach.

New coach, new qb, no hit for Hopkins on cap. I love Hopkins but no point if no one can throw it to him. I think we will survive with Fuller/BM/ ect.

Patriots would probably take this deal.

Thoughts?
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Please don't tempt Rick Smith, He will trade Hopkins and a #1 for Mark Sanchez and swear B'OB can coach him up.
 
I slapped myself already after hitting 'post reply' okay so spare you're fingers the rage, but I'd rather see what's up with Tony Romo.
 
Texecutioner said:
I wanted the Texans to do this last season, and people blew me off like I was some foolish NE fanatic or something. I thought Garrapalo was the best prospect to target from other teams and in the draft. Doubt they trade him now.
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Just think, if Rick had picked Jimmy G. (Like many others and myself wanted at the time) instead of XSF, or made sure and traded up like Rick did this yr the Texans fortunes would be in much better shape.
 
People are taking my thread as a joke but it isn't.... Jimmy G will be leaps and bounds better than Brock. Brock is rated the worst qb in the league. Jimmy G has the size, skill, and most importantly attitude that shows he can win. Brock is a drunken girrafe that can't control his own movements and throws. Sure Brock doesn't have as many INTs as other qbs... that's because he either throws 2 yards or throws 10 yards from any player into no where.

If you can honestly tell me you wouldn't rather see Jimmy G than Brock you are on something serious.

Hopkins is great but I would trade him + A 2nd or 1st round pick in an instant. At least if Brock doesn't work out we have a competent qb until we can draft one that pans out. Qbs are much harder to come by that great receivers
 
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