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Called this crap years ago when Texecutioner actually thought he was a good head coach.. He's not, he's a horrible head coach...
..and now it's starting to fall apart. That Schtick was only going to work so long. When your head coach is a loud mouth who's flipping off fans and cursing fans at games or other sporting events in Las Vegas he comes off as someone who has no discipline, professionalism, or self control and the team takes on the persona of their head coach.. hence why his team is now having discipline, professionalism, and self control issues.
Also when you constantly are writing verbal checks that your team has to constantly try to cash, when they fail to do so it'll eventually blow up in your face and you'll start to lose the locker room or even have other players coming at you (see Brandon Jacobs). It also puts a ridiculous amount of unneeded pressure on you and your team and the local media (in this case the NY media) will start to turn on you, as well as the fans..and that is what is now happening in NY.
Has his record as a head coach been good in NY..yes it has, but people won't look at that. They're starting to focus more on the the issues off the field rather than what is happening on it. (and his loud mouth is a BIG reason for that) His record as a head coach is fine, but it's time he starts acting like a head coach. Being a head coach is like being a CEO of a major fortune 500 company and you have to carry yourself a lot more professionally since you hold the biggest leadership role in the company. That schtick can work wonders when you're just a coordinator and all you have to do is rally your guys (defense) and get your guys to play for you, while the head coach (CEO) has to do all the interviews and answer all the questions. But when you're the head coach it's only going to work for so long and players will end up getting tired of it and after awhile they'll just hear a bunch of noise and tune you out. I think that's what is starting to happen in NY right now. If he keeps on doing the same song and dance he's going to find himself unemployed in NY and despite his coaching record other owners will be weary to hire this guy as a head coach as a lot of the owners won't want the headache or the unnecessary attention.
I think he really "jumped the shark" when he went after Coughlin and the Giants. You couldn't have two more polar opposite head coaches and they happen to coach in the same city. Coughlin is a no nonsense taskmaster who prides himself on discipline and professionalism... Rex Ryan is a say anything loud mouth who lacks discipline and professionalism. (Not to mention one of these coaches actually has a SB ring, while the other just likes to talk about the one he's going to win) I think his comments really ate at the Giants and pissed them off as they also take on the persona of Coughlin and I think it completely blew up in Ryan's face and made him look like a absolute fool. Now fast forward a week and he's having to bench players and is losing control of his own team.. Go figure.
http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/j...le-speaking-to-team.88456/page-2#post-1869032
Like I told Texecutioner back then.. He's a freaking cartoon character... and a buffoon.. for Christ's sake he hired a defensive coordinator who was fired and not only that, hired a defensive coordinator who just orchestrated the worst defensive performance in NFL history the year before.. that's asinine.. and why, because he's family? Yep great head coach there.
From personal experience one thing I've come to know is working with family never works out well, not talking about a family business but working for a company where you can bring one in...Don't do it.
Rob Ryan first of all should've never been hired and he should've been the one fired yesterday, but since he's family Rex painted himself in that difficult corner where he needs to fire his brother, but won't.
Rob Ryan is a bum.. and Rex is a idiot for taking out his lap band and putting his long term health at risk just because his bum crappy coach brother couldn't have one inserted... then he had a press conference about it, what a complete circus going on over there.. you can say what you want about Capers, Kubiak, and Bill... atleast those people are professional and not some dumbass who drops sound bites or makes moments on camera that will embarrass their team for years to come....
hey, there's going to be a few absolutely shitty teams this year, there always is... but anytime that happens I'd hire Rex Ryan for making it entertaining.. he's certainly good at that.. not at his current job, but he's good at that.. I look forward to seeing him on the biggest loser perhaps, he'd be a excellent reality TV star.. Or soap opera... "not a foot too far" (games of thrones style)
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You know what's sad.. deep down I do believe Rex is a good.. damn good coach, but you have to know your role.. he isn't a head coach.
The guy knows defense unlike burn out Rob, but he's just a coordinator and there's nothing wrong with that.. hell when I told my dad that I was coordinator of anything now he was proud ass hell and still is. Know your role, know your strengths and weaknesses..
Rex needs to be in a room planning defensive game plans with a very afraid mic having a restraining order against him...motivate your team..stop talking to the press, his brother needs to be handing me donuts and coffee on my way to work. He can't coach for ****
The guy knows defense unlike burn out Rob, but he's just a coordinator and there's nothing wrong with that.. hell when I told my dad that I was coordinator of anything now he was proud ass hell and still is. Know your role, know your strengths and weaknesses..
Rex needs to be in a room planning defensive game plans with a very afraid mic having a restraining order against him...motivate your team..stop talking to the press, his brother needs to be handing me donuts and coffee on my way to work. He can't coach for ****
Texecutioner
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Called this crap years ago whe Texecutioner actually thought he was a good head coach.. He's not, he's a horrible head coach...
http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/j...le-speaking-to-team.88456/page-2#post-1869032
Like I told Texecutioner back then.. He's a freaking cartoon character... and a buffoon.. for Christ's sake he hired a defensive coordinator who was fired and not only that, hired a defensive coordinator who just orchestrated the worst defensive performance in NFL history the year before.. that's asinine.. and why, because he's family? Yep great head coach there.
From personal experience one thing I've come to know is working with family never works out well, not talking about a family business but working for a company where you can bring one in...Don't do it.
Rob Ryan first of all should've never been hired and he should've been the one fired yesterday, but since he's family Rex painted himself in that difficult corner where he needs to fire his brother, but won't.
Rob Ryan is a bum.. and Rex is a idiot for taking out his lap band and putting his long term health at risk just because his bum crappy coach brother couldn't have one inserted... then he had a press conference about it, what a complete circus going on over there.. you can say what you want about Capers, Kubiak, and Bill... atleast those people are professional and not some dumbass who drops sound bites or makes moments on camera that will embarrass their team for years to come....
hey, there's going to be a few absolutely shitty teams this year, there always is... but anytime that happens I'd hire Rex Ryan for making it entertaining.. he's certainly good at that.. not at his current job, but he's good at that.. I look forward to seeing him on the biggest loser perhaps, he'd be a excellent reality TV star.. Or soap opera... "not a foot too far" (games of thrones style)
I love how you went waaay out of your way to keep putting my name in your post here. Very random, but hey do what you gotta do since you have this obvious axe to grind. You bumped a thread from a discussion where he had just been coaching for 3 years and had been to two back to back AFC championship games. Lol!
Rex isn't nearly as bad as you want to make him out to be. The guy was a moron for taking the foolish job that he took in Buffalo where no one has been able to win since Marv Levy. Marv left what in the late 90's I believe? Buffalo has been through how many HC's since then? Their biggest problem has been their owner Ralph Wilson. He is in the top 5 for worst NFL owners in the league and has been for years. Its a reason why so many HC's have failed there and why they can't ever find a QB.
Rex also had a few suitors in the off season before he took the Bills job, so clearly everyone didn't think he was a total loser in NY. ATL was one of them, and he was an idiot for not taking that job as it was a much better fit for him. They already had an offense there, and all he would have had to do was build a strong defense for them, and he would have had the best chance for him to succeed. Instead, he took the Bills job which was the exact same team he had in NY with a strong defense and no QB. Rex is terrible at finding QB's and that is a very strong weakness of his. He simply shouldn't be trusted for that. Buffalo being in the same division as NE was another problematic obstacle for him taking this job, and lets face it is for any HC that coaches in this division. You've got the best HC in NFL history and the best QB in NFL history to compete with, and he already had a hard time doing that before, so the Bills made no sense for him. Their team wasn't that bad his first year there. They crumbled down the stretch, but they had injuries and also were very limited on offense with no real QB to lead them.
I still think that Rex could do well if he went into the right situation. His bravado doesn't work well for him, and he should probably cut that out. Rex should probably take a DC job after the Buffalo situation burns out, and build his name up again by creating a great defense somewhere. I bet that he'll likely get another HC job again.
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Umm no? I didn't go way out of my way..all I had to do was pick up my phone and mention you twice...that was it so don't flatter yourself, this was a discussion we had years ago.. I simply brought it back up, don't get so upset...damn
Axe to grind... really, we've agreed and disagreed before, you've been right/wrong and I've been right/wrong before... this just happens to be one of those times where I was right as all get out, but hey.. love you buddy, I'll buy you a beer
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Rex Ryan has no business being a head coach until he graduates junior high school, because that's where he is right now.. sorry, but mentally he is
Texecutioner
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Not upset in the slightest bit. It just seemed pretty obvious by you mentioning me twice due to some thread that was like 6 years ago or something like that.
Axe to grind... really, we've agreed and disagreed before, you've been right/wrong and I've been right/wrong before... this just happens to be one of those times where I was right as all get out, but hey.. love you buddy, I'll buy you a beer[/QUOTE]
Well you were throwing out insults and calling us names in the Yao thread the other day, and seemed pretty bitter about other stuff. Dropping this thread right after the fact makes it hard to believe otherwise, but like I said do what you feel you need to do. I'm okay with it honestly. I can debate this stuff with you all day, and it isn't going to bother me at all. I'll take that beer if I ever see you, but don't be cheap. I like imports mostly.
Back on topic, Rex has had a bad run since that thread. At that time though, he had a nice early history to go on and his style had been pretty effective. I still think it can if he would tone it down some, and get in a situation where he has an established QB. He has never had that, and he isn't good at finding one. I'll stand by what I said about ATL being a situation that would have been a much better place for him if Matt Ryan would get back on track. However, Ryan might be replaced after this season if he isn't a top 10 performer at QB. If Rex were to take over a team like Jacksonville or Oakland with an established young QB, I think he could alright. For the record, I have constantly rooted against him since he plays in the same division as NE. His attempts to rattle and BB and Brady have been humiliating for him.
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Without reading your entire tirade.. grow thicker skin geez
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Rex Ryan is a horrible head coach I'll take him as a coordinator, but hire him as a head coach you end up with dumbasses like Rob Ryan for your D Coord.
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You did get me however. . Yao Ming is a HOFer.. shoot me for saying that if that is your battle cry.. gee the guy was first ballot HOF! voted not by me..multiple paid people/HOF voters and you back a head coach who comes from a historically horrible head coach family... Rob Ryan can't coach.. Rex is just like his daddy so yeah Rex sucks too.. again good coordinator shitty and all due respect crappy Head coach
texanhead08
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Rex is already in job saving mode it should take longer than 18 games before you have to resort to firing a coordinator to save your own ass.
Texecutioner
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I'm just pointing out how obvious your bitterness is since you keep denying it while making every attempt that you can to sound condescending ever since that Vrabel thread for some reason.
Rex will be fine. He'll likely lose his job after this season and he'll get a job somewhere as a DC and make his way back up. And you just never know, he might end up as the Texans DC when Crennel is gone since Vrabel will be out of here as well by then.
That's a disgusting thoughtAnd you just never know, he might end up as the Texans DC when Crennel is gone since Vrabel will be out of here as well by then.
Texecutioner
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I'd take him as a DC for sure.
I'm just pointing out how obvious your bitterness is since you keep denying it while making every attempt that you can to sound condescending ever since that Vrabel thread for some reason.
Rex will be fine. He'll likely lose his job after this season and he'll get a job somewhere as a DC and make his way back up. And you just never know, he might end up as the Texans DC when Crennel is gone since Vrabel will be out of here as well by then.
I bet Vrabel will be ours, that's why he stayed.
You can have him.
He rode Ray Lewis, Ngata, Ed Reed, T. Suggs to a head coaching job.
Did he round up all those players or was it Ozzie?
Color me unimpressed with footsieboy
Texecutioner
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You're betting that based on pretty much nothing. Show me somewhere where promises were made to Vrabel by our staff other than in your head? I'm everyone wants him to be the next DC, but that will depend on what the current DC does and how long he decides to stay if this unit is still playing at a high level which it currently is. Teams who need a new DC by the end of the season will likely start to make calls to Vrabel, and they're not all going to be situations like the 49ers with a iffy coach like Chip Kelly.
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You don't know what impact he had to help them completely. He had no problems at all getting a HC job right after losing his job in NY. He had several teams interested in him. Not just the BIlls, so what he did as HC with the Jets had other teams making a run at him.
Texecutioner
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Since you keep getting so emotional over that topic, I'll just post this little reminder of how much you used to bash Yao and the things you used to go through when he was actually an active NBA player. You sure do flip flop from one extreme to the other. Lol!
Pretty strong words for a guy that you can't even fathom why people would criticize him being in the HOF.
Texecutioner
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His brother wasn't all that bad years ago, but then he fell off extremely hard and never got back on track. Just kept getting worse. Rex was likely his last shot at reviving his career that took a downward spiral. Bad decision for Rex, and it is backfiring a lot now. The Bills have a few injuries and suspended players right now as well.
Texecutioner
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Let me ask you this. Would you rather Romeo retire after this season making that more likely that we take Vrabel or would you rather Romeo stick around making it more likely that Vrabel leaves? (Assuming he has other suitors.)
Wolf
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I felt rob was overrated. His best defensive player was drew brees putting up point after point and making the other team one dimensional trying to catch up
I was hoping the Jets would hire Roman as a consultant for the rest of the year. Just to stick it to Rex.
I'd like Romeo to stay.
Texecutioner
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Unless our defense drops off, Vrabel is likely to get poached then. I don't think Romeo is going anywhere any time soon. I'll be happy for Vrabel regardless if that happens. I'd love to keep him around as long as possible though.
No doubt.
I think Vrabel will eventually be a DC and could even be a HC one day.
Great article on him last summer: As Mike Vrabel's star rises, Texans reap benefits
He got a big pay raise in Houston when he declined the 49ers gig. I'm just speculating, but it would not surprise me if he is DC-in-training, because I don't see RAC doing it for many more seasons at 69 years old.
Texecutioner
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He might be, and I suspect so. I just don't see him sticking around if a bunch of teams want him now as a DC and there pops up a good situation. He'd get a higher pay, and there is never a guarantee of how long the guy in front of you is going to stick around. I have no idea of what Romeo's intentions are or what his health is like. I just know he's done a great job here, and I'm very happy with Crennel. I don't think he gets nearly enough praise here in Houston when you think about it. I'd love to have Vrabel in the long run though. Being a Pats fan, its awesome to see him out there making our players better. I get a nice nostalgia from it after rooting him on as a fan years ago.
From what I can gather, RAC has only had one year left on his deal with the Texans. I would not be surprised to see Vrabel replace him as defensive coordinator in 2017.
At least, that's what I think should happen if the Texans want to keep him. Like you said, some team is going to come along an offer him a gig, and they could be much more attractive than the 49ers. Allegedly (according to Ted Johnson who played with him in NE), Vrabel talked with Belichick before he went to interview in San Fran. Many thought the Chip Kelly connection (friend of Belichick) would secure the job, but now many are speculating that Belichick told him to stay in Houston and wait for the DC gig to open up after RAC retires. That makes the most sense to me. It's not often a position coach will turn down a huge upgrade of a coordinator job, so I suspect there is more to the story.
Texecutioner
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Well consider this, Matt Patricia is one of the hottest DC's in the league. He just doesn't have a big name out there in the public because BB is always talked about. He had suitors last season if I'm not mistaken for HC jobs. He is likely to get courted by other teams for HC vacancies as well. If that happens, there is a good chance that Vrabel would leave Houston to be the DC over in NE. I could definitely see that scenario playing out if Patricia has offers after this season which could possibly happen.
ChampionTexan
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Something to consider is that - as was mentioned earlier - when Vrabel declined the San Fran DC job, he reportedly received a new contract and a raise. While it's very un-Texan like (or perhaps more correctly, un-McNair like), if Vrabel is under contract to the Texans, they have the right to turn down any request to interview him for a DC position (or any other position that isn't Head Coach).
Now it's possible that Vrabel negotiated a deal that requires the Texans to grant permission if he wants them to, but I would also imagine - if the raise was big enough - that the Texans put him on notice that they wouldn't allow him to interview for a DC position as long as the contract was in place, and Crennel was still around.
All complete and total speculation, (except the part about having the right to deny interview permission), and we may never know what agreements (written or otherwise) are in place, but if the Texans D continues down the path they've begun in the first two games, it will be interesting to see what (if anything) unfolds in the off-season.
I remember when we thought Vance Joseph was our DC heir apparent.
Define "we" because I certainly never thought that
Yep. I could see it happening. Vrabel will not remain a position coach for long, especially with the great reputation that he's building as a coach.
That's kind of a dick move by an organization that ultimately earns a crappy reputation and makes other coaches wary of joining the franchise. I don't see McNair being that kind of owner, tbh.
infantrycak
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I would agree with you more if (a) they hadn't given him a large raise and (b) the practice of deny coaches isn't rare. Which is not to say he won't leave - could easily go either way.
I thought most teams allowed position coaches to interview for upgraded coaching positions like coordinators or head coach. tbh, I do not recall many times where a position coach was denied the request, so I did some research and it happens more than I thought:
Packers often deny assistants permission to interview with other teams
According to the above article, it is a fairly recent change to give teams the power to deny:
"Until about five years ago, the NFL permitted position coaches to interview for jobs short of head coach that represented clear-cut promotions even if they had time remaining on their contracts.
But after teams started to invent all kinds of titles to make their assistants immune from raids, the NFL decided on a blanket rule for coaches under contract."
Falcons deny teams chance to talk to Mike Tice, Keith Armstrong
Bengals denied USC, Miami permission to interview Hue Jackson
Titans deny Bucs request to interview Mike Mularkey
So, as they say, you can learn something new every day.
As far as our team, the Texans already granted permission to Vrabel to interview for the 49ers DC job, so I'm not sure why they would not do it again next off-season. He obviously wanted to stay here, so it's speculation regarding his reason(s).
And weren't the Texans denied permission to interview Bush the first time Kubiak wanted him for DC?
see post #41
"Until about five years ago, the NFL permitted position coaches to interview for jobs short of head coach that represented clear-cut promotions even if they had time remaining on their contracts.
But after teams started to invent all kinds of titles to make their assistants immune from raids, the NFL decided on a blanket rule for coaches under contract."
Yeah, I was surprised, too. I thought the same thing based on the way things have always been, but after 'cak posted, I looked it up. Here are the current rules.