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2016 Offensive Line thread

Texian said:
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Source: #Texans center Nick Martin recently underwent ankle surgery from Dr. Robert Anderson in NC. He’s expected to miss the 2016 season.
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Rick Smith, who is 3 steps behind the rest of the league, allowed the Pats to trade Brian Stork for peanuts to the Redskins while good old Rick gets worked again by real GMs. So sick of this idiot. There is no accountability for him and the injured players he continues to draft. Martin missed the entire 2013 season. **** our luck.
 
TexansFight said:
Rick Smith, who is 3 steps behind the rest of the league, allowed the Pats to trade Brian Stork for peanuts to the Redskins while good old Rick gets worked again by real GMs. So sick of this idiot. There is no accountability for him and the injured players he continues to draft. Martin missed the entire 2013 season. **** our luck,
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I am afraid with each passing day this Texans OL could be in the running for the worst OL in the league.
 
In the year to year flow of the team being built I have no problem with this. Fix it. Fix it right. Give him a year to heal up and for his back to get better (hopefully) and we'll come back at it in 2017.

This is part of the game. Injuries happen.
 
TexansFight said:
Rick Smith, who is 3 steps behind the rest of the league, allowed the Pats to trade Brian Stork for peanuts to the Redskins while good old Rick gets worked again by real GMs. So sick of this idiot. There is no accountability for him and the injured players he continues to draft. Martin missed the entire 2013 season. **** our luck.
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Holy Mother of All Reaches, Batman!

CND, help us out here. Are high ankle sprains normally caused by a traumatic event, or are they compensatory injuries related to knee injuries that happened three years ago? What is the correlation/causation between high ankle sprains and previous knee injuries?
 
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With Nick Martin out, Greg Mancz will be the starter. From all that's we've see in preseason and all that's been said about him from the coaches and other players, He'll be better then ok. He'll hold up the middle just fine. He has XSF to his left and Jeff Allen to his right. It's going to be good. Clark and Lamm have been doing a great job at the tackles. With Brown and Newton slated to return soon, the tackle position looks to be in a great position as well. The offensive line should be good.
 
JamTex said:
With Nick Martin out, Greg Mancz will be the starter. From all that's we've see in preseason and all that's been said about him from the coaches and other players, He'll be better then ok. He'll hold up the middle just fine. He has XSF to his left and Jeff Allen to his right. It's going to be good. Clark and Lamm have been doing a great job at the tackles. With Brown and Newton slated to return soon, the tackle position looks to be in a great position as well. The offensive line should be good.
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I think I'll start calling you "Mr Sunshine!" :shades:
 
JamTex said:
With Nick Martin out, Greg Mancz will be the starter. From all that's we've see in preseason and all that's been said about him from the coaches and other players, He'll be better then ok. He'll hold up the middle just fine. He has XSF to his left and Jeff Allen to his right. It's going to be good. Clark and Lamm have been doing a great job at the tackles. With Brown and Newton slated to return soon, the tackle position looks to be in a great position as well. The offensive line should be good.
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Is this a joke? Am I missing something here? Texian is 100% correct in his analysis. This could be the worst OL in the entire league.
 
My question is, can Lamm or Clark play center? Being that Newton or DBrown should be back soon.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
BTW, on Martin.........if anyone begins to speculate that ultimately he could still return later this year as the "IR Designated to Return" player, after this type of surgery, it isn't going to happen.
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I hate you! (not really, but I have to take it on on someone lol)

Thanks as always Doc. This really sucks as Martin looked like a stud in the making and now we'll have a journeyman there.
 
TexansFight said:
Is this a joke? Am I missing something here? Texian is 100% correct in his analysis. This could be the worst OL in the entire league.
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If the tackles return to health, this is nowhere near the worst line in the league. Middle of the road perhaps but jeez people chill out. It's a game remember.
 
TexansFight said:
Is this a joke? Am I missing something here? Texian is 100% correct in his analysis. This could be the worst OL in the entire league.
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I don't think so. Would anyone rather have Bergstom at center? Not me. Depth will be an issue at center. When the cuts start happening, I'm sure the Texans will pick up some depth on the offensive line. As it stands now, It's Mancz- C, XSF-LG, Brown/Clark-LT, Allen-RG, Newton/Lamm-RT. This is what the Texans have to go with. Like it or not. These guys will have to perform. And they will.
 
Mancz will be ok, but he has his ceiling. It'll be somewhat of a problem, but the bigger problem is depth. This next man up mantra that's repeated every season offers no reassurance.
 
JamTex said:
With Nick Martin out, Greg Mancz will be the starter. From all that's we've see in preseason and all that's been said about him from the coaches and other players, He'll be better then ok. He'll hold up the middle just fine. He has XSF to his left and Jeff Allen to his right. It's going to be good. Clark and Lamm have been doing a great job at the tackles. With Brown and Newton slated to return soon, the tackle position looks to be in a great position as well. The offensive line should be good.
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Lamm has gotten abused several times. Our OL with all of these guys is not going to be ok. Rick failing to address LT with Brown still not back added on with all of these other injuries is a disaster. Typical Rick failures in having a team with no depth
 
Porky said:
If the tackles return to health, this is nowhere near the worst line in the league. Middle of the road perhaps but jeez people chill out. It's a game remember.
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That's the point both of our tackles are out and only our RT is probable to be back Game 1. This is another preventable disaster that Rick's incompetence has brought upon us.
 
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JamTex said:
I don't think so. Would anyone rather have Bergstom at center? Not me. Depth will be an issue at center. When the cuts start happening, I'm sure the Texans will pick up some depth on the offensive line. As it stands now, It's Mancz- C, XSF-LG, Brown/Clark-LT, Allen-RG, Newton/Lamm-RT. This is what the Texans have to go with. Like it or not. These guys will have to perform. And they will.
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Bergstrom's gonna be OK. It usually takes a year or two to get all the Oakland off of a player. I'm sure the Texans knew that going in. He'll be quality depth in short order.
 
TexansFight said:
What about our tackles? 60% of our OL is shelved. I'm not one to panic. It's warranted now.
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Keep this in mind. It's the best time to be banged up (if you gotta get banged up). This is the time of year where injured key players lower expectations for the season while at the same time have enough time to come back and have an effect on its outcome. Backups are getting valuable reps while starters heal and by the end of the year we'll have a deep OL group that's (hopefully) healthy and knocking defenders on their asses.

The news about Martin's ankle is unfortunate but we're going to get a lot of these guys back and we're seeing this now so we've got time to go hunting for anything we need among the 31 other teams cuts.
 
TexansFight said:
Rapaport has been the Grim Reaper today for us. Duane is NOT going to be ready Game 1

RapSheet:
More on #Texans Oline: I’m told LT Duane Brown (torn quad) is not expected to be ready for the season. HOU being cautious, may remain on PUP
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Didn't see that. However our O-line still hasn't been horrible, even with no Brown we still won't have the worst o-line.
 
To appease the thread police on the training camp injury thread, let's discuss the impact of the OL injuries here. Not having reliable depth when your starting LT suffered a major injury the last game of the year is yet another black mark against Rick Smith's run as GM. Missing 60% of your starters in preseason and now past the opening game is reason to panic. The plane has crashed into the mountain. Lamm and Bergstrom are terrible and Mancz is mediocre at best. Discuss amongst yourselves.
 
TexansFight said:
Belichick is not infallible. We desperately need a veteran C. I don't care if Stork is a hot head that gets into fights.
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He sure isn't. He is arguably the reason they lost to the Broncos last season in the playoffs and also in the regular season he had some atrocious decisions that lost them games where they got popped out of the #1 seed.
 
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Being weak at the C position with a young QB is a recipe for disaster. Here's hoping Oz can move around half as well as David Carr. Lamar Miller is also going to struggle if the talent on the line isnt addressed. Anyone really want to see more Tony Bergstrom? Hell naw.
 
JB said:
If Belichek don't want him, why would we?
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The first thing I thought when I heard the news was why didn't the Texans pick him up. Immediate next thought is what you are saying. There is a reason why Belichick didn't want him, and I have no doubt that O'Brien has a red phone on his desk to NE and he found out that reason.

NFLN was reporting "attitude issues", so who knows what's behind that door.

Mollywhopper said:
Not so far as panic ... but legit concern and a healthy dose of worry. Without waxing dramatic, just hate the potential for bad here.
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This is where I'm at, as well. I always like it when our team "drafts ugly" and invests in linemen. I think controlling the trenches is one of the most important aspects that contributes to the success of a team. A good o-line can make decent running backs good, and obviously protecting the QB is always important.

I'm not at panic mode, and the Texans do not appear to be there right now. I'm just going to wait and see and hope for the best at this point, but it is my biggest concern for the team going into this new season.
 
JB said:
If Belichek don't want him, why would we?
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Because the Pats have incredible interior OL depth and Stork has had concussion issues in the past.

Hopefully Mancz shoulder holds up because I think he could be serviceable. (Ben Jones) But I wouldn't count on it. I really wish they had spent a little of the 10 mil in cap room to add some OL depth and also bring in Jack Allen as an UDFA for depth purposes.

To answer the question, no it's not time to panic (Tell me Brown will be back to normal by week 5-6.) but that time is near.
 
TexansFight said:
To appease the thread police on the training camp injury thread, let's discuss the impact of the OL injuries here. Not having reliable depth when your starting LT suffered a major injury the last game of the year is yet another black mark against Rick Smith's run as GM. Missing 60% of your starters in preseason and now past the opening game is reason to panic. The plane has crashed into the mountain. Lamm and Bergstrom are terrible and Mancz is mediocre at best. Discuss amongst yourselves.
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When you look at the starting OL TODAY and then take in to consideration what they're getting paid....the old adage comes to mind....you get what you pay for. Clark = $2.5MM; XSF = $1.5MM; Mancz = vet min; Allen = $6.2MM; Lamm = vet min.
 
steelbtexan said:
Because the Pats have incredible interior OL depth and Stork has had concussion issues in the past.
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Belichek didn't want him because of attitude problems, and we certainly don't need that here on a young team. I too wish they would have addressed the OL more than they did... now. In fairness they did draft an OLineman early and added two in FA, one of which was highly rated. If not for Newton going down and now Martin, our OL would be in pretty good shape considering they expect(ed) Brown to be back for the regular season opener
 
JamTex said:
I don't think so. Would anyone rather have Bergstom at center? Not me. Depth will be an issue at center. When the cuts start happening, I'm sure the Texans will pick up some depth on the offensive line. As it stands now, It's Mancz- C, XSF-LG, Brown/Clark-LT, Allen-RG, Newton/Lamm-RT. This is what the Texans have to go with. Like it or not. These guys will have to perform. And they will.
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Perform like crap. Brown is injured and according to CND it's 50-50 that he makes it back to an acceptable level of play, much less a pro bowl level. (Today's news wasn't really surprising unless you were drinking the koolaid) Clark is a serviceable backup LT, if he has to come in and play for 5-8 games against lower level competition then he will be fine. Count on him for a full season and the Texans are in trouble.

Mancz- Who knows if his shoulder will hold up. He was very injury prone in college though. (A Texans theme) I wouldn't want to count on him for a full season, although he's talented.

Allen- is a true stud and an upgrade over Brooks. Great toughness. Lets hope his ankle issues are a thing of the past because if they aren't this OL is in real trouble.

XSF- Who knows what he is. Lets hope he's shows great improvement in yr 3. If not chalk him up as another Rick draft bust.

Newton- Has sucked every yr as a pro except his contract yr.(Logically) Lamm is lucky to be on a NFL roster. Hopefully his development continues.
 
IIRC the center no longer sets the OLine, QB calls play for offense so if correct, that is burden off center. In that case, Manz should be able to hold his own as he adapts to NFL. If Su'a-Fila continues progress we saw last season, he and Allen will help the center. I was not that gung ho on Martin. Prosch will focus blocking rush from middle and Os will get ball off before blitz quickly which he would have to do anyway. I do expect we will have many try outs next few days.
 
JB said:
Belichek didn't want him because of attitude problems, and we certainly don't need that here on a young team. I too wish they would have addressed the OL more than they did... now. In fairness they did draft an OLineman early and added two in FA, one of which was highly rated. If not for Newton going down and now Martin, our OL would be in pretty good shape considering they expect(ed) Brown to be back for the regular season opener
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In fairness they also lost 2 OL in FA. So that was a net neutral for me. For the love of god I dont see what they have ever liked in Newton.He must have pictures of Rick/Cal doing illicit things. Clark was a good depth signing, but I along with several others on this board thought that Brown wouldn't make it back and wanted that position to be addressed either in the draft or FA in a more significant way. Meanwhile now Rick is sitting on 10 mil in cap room, all of the decent FA's are gone and the OL is in shambles.

At this point I would take a guy that gets into fights at the C/OG position. I like guys in the trenches with nasty attitudes. Apparently McCloughan agrees with me. It's really going to be sad watching Stork start for the Redskins and Mancz get hurt again after 6-10 games.

You would think after the HWNSNBM experiment that McNair would've learned something and made protecting his new QB a priority. But you know what they say about fools and history repeating itself. To be fair, I've always been an in the trenches and speed 1st kinda guy.

Good news is next yrs draft class should be real deep in OL. Bad news is it's likely JJ will be a shell of himself
 
badboy said:
IIRC the center no longer sets the OLine, QB calls play for offense so if correct, that is burden off center. In that case, Manz should be able to hold his own as he adapts to NFL. If Su'a-Fila continues progress we saw last season, he and Allen will help the center. I was not that gung ho on Martin. Prosch will focus blocking rush from middle and Os will get ball off before blitz quickly which he would have to do anyway. I do expect we will have many try outs next few days.
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This is a rosy picture. Especially with Os having all of 7 starts under his belt. While your at it tell me about all of the quality depth on the OL. Give this team a couple of more minor 1-3 game injuries and Os better learn to pull a HWNSNBM fetal position maneuver or he wont last the season.
 
Porky said:
If the tackles return to health, this is nowhere near the worst line in the league. Middle of the road perhaps but jeez people chill out. It's a game remember.
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IF

A game that I spend a lot of $$$$ to attend.
 
Texian said:
When you look at the starting OL TODAY and then take in to consideration what they're getting paid....the old adage comes to mind....you get what you pay for. Clark = $2.5MM; XSF = $1.5MM; Mancz = vet min; Allen = $6.2MM; Lamm = vet min.
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You know you would have been complaining about something else if those backups were paid like starters
 
TexansFight said:
Rick Smith, who is 3 steps behind the rest of the league, allowed the Pats to trade Brian Stork for peanuts to the Redskins while good old Rick gets worked again by real GMs. So sick of this idiot. There is no accountability for him and the injured players he continues to draft. Martin missed the entire 2013 season. **** our luck.
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Why do yall always blame Rick Smith for everything. Plus we have two more centers on this roster. Mancz is looking pretty good as well.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a rosy picture. Especially with Os having all of 7 starts under his belt. While your at it tell me about all of the quality depth on the OL. Give this team a couple of more minor 1-3 game injuries and Os better learn to pull a HWNSNBM fetal position maneuver or he wont last the season.
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This is the real question, who are the backups to the backups? Aboushi is probably the only one with real game experience. The rest are a mixed bag (Chad Slade, Karim Barton, Arturo Uzdavinis, Andrew McDonald, and Jeff Adams)! Maybe there's some real gems in there! ;)
 
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