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So the Broncos didn't feel Osweiler was worth it?

Broncos franchise-tag Von Miller, leaving Brock Osweiler free to test the market
By Mark Maske March 1
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Elway thought he would have all the time in the world to sign Osweiler after franchising von Miller.....while patiently waiting for Manning to make a decision. It should have been unmistakable by any GM that this would not be taken kindly to by the clear heir apparent. It should be obvious that Osweiler did not find waiting for a last-minute Elway decision on whether to retain a clearly used up quarterback that he might let continue at the reigns for yet another year, a particularly appealing option........and Elway lost the waiting game.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:

From the link you posted...

“We’re really not in a hurry,” Elway said last week in Indianapolis at the NFL Scouting Combine. “Everything’s still real fluid. We know where Brock is. Brock knows what we have to offer. We still have a great deal of interest in Brock. We’d like to do something with Brock. That road, we’ll start down those tracks and we’ll start talking to Brock about a new contract and see what we can do there but with that in mind, also affording Peyton the time that he deserves. But we’re not in any rush.… There’s 12 days. We don’t feel like we’re in a rush there. We’ll continue to give Peyton that time and continue to work with Brock and try to get something done with Brock.”
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Until he found out that Brock wanted a better pasture to roam
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Brandon420tx said:
Not really, all you're doing is throwing out faulty reasoning with no substance. There is no meat on this bone you're throwing us.
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He accomplished his goal... or so he states after the fact. Questionable as it might be
 
JB said:
He accomplished his goal... or so he states after the fact. Questionable as it might be
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Oh I'm well aware of Texians anti-boredom tactics, The only reason people even respond to the exact same arguments from months ago is because they are also bored. But trying to make it sound like he's generating a discussion that will last for hours is pretty high and mighty, even for him. This stuff is all dead horse beating and most of the topic is just rampant speculation.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Elway thought he would have all the time in the world to sign Osweiler after franchising von Miller.....while patiently waiting for Manning to make a decision. It should have been unmistakable by any GM that this would not be taken kindly to by the clear heir apparent. It should be obvious that Osweiler did not find waiting for a last-minute Elway decision on whether to retain a clearly used up quarterback that he might let continue at the reigns for yet another year, a particularly appealing option........and Elway lost the waiting game.
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Truly, I agree with what you're saying, however I think Elway did the "right" thing. I mean he should have opened a dialogue with Osweiler's people, keeping them in the dark didn't help anything.

But Peyton earned the right to go out on his own terms, so I agree with giving him the opportunity to do so. Still, had Peyton decided not to retire, I'd have released him early, give him an opportunity to catch on with another team as he clearly wasn't the player we agreed to pay $19M to.
 
thunderkyss said:
Truly, I agree with what you're saying, however I think Elway did the "right" thing. I mean he should have opened a dialogue with Osweiler's people, keeping them in the dark didn't help anything.

But Peyton earned the right to go out on his own terms, so I agree with giving him the opportunity to do so. Still, had Peyton decided not to retire, I'd have released him early, give him an opportunity to catch on with another team as he clearly wasn't the player we agreed to pay $19M to.
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Was that a viable option after winning a Superb Owl? What kind of cap hit would there have been? What kind of fan backlash? Many would have said his down year was because of injuries?
 
JB said:
Was that a viable option after winning a Superb Owl? What kind of cap hit would there have been? What kind of fan backlash? Many would have said his down year was because of injuries?
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And they would have been correct.............but not being realistic that his performance issues due to his injuries would heretofore be ongoing.
 
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Brandon420tx said:
Oh I'm well aware of Texians anti-boredom tactics, The only reason people even respond to the exact same arguments from months ago is because they are also bored. But trying to make it sound like he's generating a discussion that will last for hours is pretty high and mighty, even for him. This stuff is all dead horse beating and most of the topic is just rampant speculation.
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He just says that to make himself feel better after saying the same thing 100 times.
 
Texian said:
At this point I have to disagree with the above statement. I would say after being in the Bronco system for 4 years the Broncos DO HAVE a better sense of Osweiler's future than the Texans. And after last year when O'Brien corralled Hoyer and Mallatt and then declared that Texans DO NOT have QB problem, I'm leery of O'Brien and his QBs. In fact based on O'Briens QB history with the Texans I'm not sure if O'Brien knows what he's got.
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Elways biggest tell is the magnitude of the butt hurt.

A lot like you now that I think on it.
 
JB said:
Was that a viable option after winning a Superb Owl? What kind of cap hit would there have been? What kind of fan backlash? Many would have said his down year was because of injuries?
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It would have been easier to swallow had they managed to sign Osweiler.

But that's the GM's job. He's got to determine if it was an injury issue or a time to put him to pasture issue.

I don't see how the cap issue would have been any different. Whether he retires or is cut, the Broncos are on the hook for any pro rated monies not yet accounted for.

I think.
 
thunderkyss said:
It would have been easier to swallow had they managed to sign Osweiler.

But that's the GM's job. He's got to determine if it was an injury issue or a time to put him to pasture issue.

I don't see how the cap issue would have been any different. Whether he retires or is cut, the Broncos are on the hook for any pro rated monies not yet accounted for.

I think.
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I thought by retiring he saved them $19M?

edit: OTC says they have a dead money of 2.5 for him so maybe it only saved them 16.5?

Coincidence that their first offer to BO was 16.5 after he announced retirement?
 
Brandon420tx said:
Not really, all you're doing is throwing out faulty reasoning with no substance. There is no meat on this bone you're throwing us.
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but here you're having a conversation.

Brandon420tx said:
Oh I'm well aware of Texians anti-boredom tactics, The only reason people even respond to the exact same arguments from months ago is because they are also bored. But trying to make it sound like he's generating a discussion that will last for hours is pretty high and mighty, even for him. This stuff is all dead horse beating and most of the topic is just rampant speculation.
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but here we're still talking, sometimes being the provocateur works. And the premise of thread is "So the Broncos didn't think Osweiler was worth it" So can we at least say they thought Von Miller was worth it more?
 
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Texian said:
Here is the bottom line on all of this, if the Denver Broncos thought that Brock Osweiler was worth it, Brock Osweiler would be a Denver Bronco.
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That is just a bunch of hooey. Your view of the world is kinda skewed.
 
infantrycak said:
Really not. He is a Colts fan that has for years been playing this game. If he wasn't trying to play games he might have some insight
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Yes I am a Colts fan because I made the simple observation that history shows that the Texans could only beat the Colts when the Colts 2nd team QB played a full game against the Texans....so there you go.....or in other words the Texans could only beat the Colts when Manning and Luck were not in the lineup.
 
Texian said:
Yes I am a Colts fan because I made the simple observation that history shows that the Texans could only beat the Colts when the Colts 2nd team QB played a full game against the Texans....so there you go.....or in other words the Texans could only beat the Colts when Manning and Luck were not in the lineup.
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Kudos for owning up.
 
Texian said:
I understand all of this but if the Broncos thought that Osweiler was THE Franchise QB of the future to lead the Broncos for the next 15 years they could have made that happen and they choose not to. Brock got his butt hurt when he was benched for Peyton Manning and still hasn't gotten over it. Sorry but that is a bit of red flag for me. Personally I am a fan of the WCO.
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Y'know, there is no telling what the Broncos were thinking. Maybe it never dawned on them that Brock wouldn't want to return. Maybe they made a calculated assumption that Brock would return and did not have to be tagged. This is Occam's Razor to me. They overestimated their position and were clearly unaware of the perspectives of Brock.

It was clear that tagging Miller had to be done, because he would have tested the market and received an offer from another team that the Broncos could not meet.

Texian said:
Agreed but when you're benched for Peyton Manning you don't act like a spoiled brat either. You wait your turn knowing it's his last year and your team next year.
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According to reports, Manning was acting like a spoiled brat behind the scenes to get his job back. This is the nature of competitors. They do not take being made backups lightly and lobby in every way possible to get back into the starting lineup.

Texian said:
At this point I have to disagree with the above statement. I would say after being in the Bronco system for 4 years the Broncos DO HAVE a better sense of Osweiler's future than the Texans. And after last year when O'Brien corralled Hoyer and Mallatt and then declared that Texans DO NOT have QB problem, I'm leery of O'Brien and his QBs. In fact based on O'Briens QB history with the Texans I'm not sure if O'Brien knows what he's got.
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The Broncos have not had the same system for the entire four years. OC's in that time were Mike McCoy (2012), Adam Gase (2013-2014), and Rick Dennison (2015). They all run different systems.

O'Brien's is very similar to Mike McCoy with the Patriots connection, so maybe it's as simple as Brock wanting to be in a system that he likes more than others.

I don't blame you about being leery of O'Brien and his QBs. I feel the same after 7 different QBs. That said, I do have to give the dude some credit for coaching them up. At the end of the day, a guy like Brian Hoyer is going to be Brian Hoyer. So while I give O'Brien some credit, I also have questions regarding even letting Hoyer on the roster.

However, he's our HC, and this year will be the season that I feel we can really see what he's about. Brock, whatever his ceiling might be, is the best QB talent that this team has seen since Schaub. So this season should be revealing.

thunderkyss said:
Truly, I agree with what you're saying, however I think Elway did the "right" thing. I mean he should have opened a dialogue with Osweiler's people, keeping them in the dark didn't help anything.

But Peyton earned the right to go out on his own terms, so I agree with giving him the opportunity to do so. Still, had Peyton decided not to retire, I'd have released him early, give him an opportunity to catch on with another team as he clearly wasn't the player we agreed to pay $19M to.
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Apparently the Colts did not agree with your take about Peyton earning the right to go out on his own terms. They cut him like they'd cut anyone. Hurt? See ya'! :BananaWav
 
Double Barrel said:
The Broncos have not had the same system for the entire four years. OC's in that time were Mike McCoy (2012), Adam Gase (2013-2014), and Rick Dennison (2015). They all run different systems.

O'Brien's is very similar to Mike McCoy with the Patriots connection, so maybe it's as simple as Brock wanting to be in a system that he likes more than others.
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I think that the primary reason Brock left Denver for Houston was about the offensive system. He wants to be in a system where he has the reins. Everything else were just contributing factors. If Elway had moved quickly to negotiate a new contract for Brock, this might have been avoided, but all that time in limbo gave Brock time to think about his situation and where he really wanted to be.
 
thunderkyss said:
So.
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Soooo.....the Broncos treading water to give Manning time to waffle his decision cost them a chance at a better QB than the losers they currently have on their roster. I personally perceive it as arrogance by Elway, but I readily admit this is just a perception.

Most HoF players are not given the chance to waffle. The majority of the time they are cut by their second/third/fourth teams like any other player that cannot contribute to the team's success.
 
Texian said:
Yes I am a Colts fan because I made the simple observation that history shows that the Texans could only beat the Colts when the Colts 2nd team QB played a full game against the Texans....so there you go.....or in other words the Texans could only beat the Colts when Manning and Luck were not in the lineup.
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Hahaha! Seriously a colts fan? And you have the nerve to talk bad about our owner and gm? Or anything about this organization?

The organization that when their Qb asked for a line their owner gave him a gram?

The team that had Peyton Freaking Manning in his prime and only managed to get one Superbowl win? How the crap do you do that when the Denver Broncos went twice with him in 4 years at his worst?!

The Broncos who won one more Superbowls with QBs drafted by the colts.

Trent Richardson isn't even their worst first round pick in the last 5 years. Who by the way could stop the run better than the entire colts defense.

The colts - who managed to draft a qb that can play worse against the patriots than Manning did.

And do you remember the trick play drawn up by their head coach that ended in disaster against the Patriots? That play wouldn't even qualify for the Special Olympics. Someone post that gif please.

Get out of here with that Colts crap.
 
TexansBull said:
Hahaha! Seriously a colts fan? And you have the nerve to talk bad about our owner and gm? Or anything about this organization?

The organization that when their Qb asked for a line their owner gave him a gram?

The team that had Peyton Freaking Manning in his prime and only managed to get one Superbowl win? How the crap do you do that when the Denver Broncos went twice with him in 4 years at his worst?! One more than the Texans have, and a better overall record

The Broncos who won one more Superbowls with QBs drafted by the colts.

Trent Richardson isn't even their worst first round pick in the last 5 years. Who by the way could stop the run better than the entire colts defense. He wasn't a first round pick for the colts...

The colts - who managed to draft a qb that can play worse against the patriots than Manning did. But better than Texan qb's have done overall

And do you remember the trick play drawn up by their head coach that ended in disaster against the Patriots? That play wouldn't even qualify for the Special Olympics. Someone post that gif please.

Get out of here with that Colts crap.
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thunderkyss said:
So.
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SO, Paxton Lynch looked pretty darn good last night for a rookie in his first game;

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TexansBull said:
Hahaha! Seriously a colts fan? And you have the nerve to talk bad about our owner and gm? Or anything about this organization?

The organization that when their Qb asked for a line their owner gave him a gram?

The team that had Peyton Freaking Manning in his prime and only managed to get one Superbowl win? How the crap do you do that when the Denver Broncos went twice with him in 4 years at his worst?!

The Broncos who won one more Superbowls with QBs drafted by the colts.

Trent Richardson isn't even their worst first round pick in the last 5 years. Who by the way could stop the run better than the entire colts defense.

The colts - who managed to draft a qb that can play worse against the patriots than Manning did.

And do you remember the trick play drawn up by their head coach that ended in disaster against the Patriots? That play wouldn't even qualify for the Special Olympics. Someone post that gif please.

Get out of here with that Colts crap.
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Simmer down now, NOT, I repeat, NOT, a Colts fan, that is just some more of that Cak BS you're used to falling for.
 
ObsiWan said:
but you just posted that you were
which is it?
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Look at his body of posts and you decide. Has he ever posted anything positive about the Texans?

He's a Colts fan rolling grenades around here for amusement.

He has a long and distinguished history at this. Got outted on HT.com. Eventually got banned from HT.com and joined our merry band. Learned to behave himself so he can stay but folks should realize his agenda is not Texans.
 
infantrycak said:
Look at his body of posts and you decide. Has he ever posted anything positive about the Texans?

He's a Colts fan rolling grenades around here for amusement.

He has a long and distinguished history at this. Got outted on HT.com. Eventually got banned from HT.com and joined our merry band. Learned to behave himself so he can stay but folks should realize his agenda is not Texans.
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Surely his life can't be that pathetic.
 
Unbelievable that people are still holding Brock's benching against him. He wasn't pissed that he got replaced by Manning. He was pissed that he got replaced at all. Elway and Kubiak even said that they didn't pull Brock because of his play. They pulled him because the entire offense was struggling and they wanted to change something to see if they could create a spark.

Hell, Osweiler's final play in the game was a C.J. Anderson fumble. Why the hell are you yanking me after his fumble? Get his ass out of the game if you want to change something on offense.

Show me a guy that's not sore about getting benched and I'll show you a guy who deserves to be sitting there.

And he was a team player about it in the locker room and with the media. Never spoke out, was the best teammate he could be, and then got the hell out when he had the chance.
 
infantrycak said:
Look at his body of posts and you decide. Has he ever posted anything positive about the Texans?

He's a Colts fan rolling grenades around here for amusement.

He has a long and distinguished history at this. Got outted on HT.com. Eventually got banned from HT.com and joined our merry band. Learned to behave himself so he can stay but folks should realize his agenda is not Texans.
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You're spreading LIES cak, you know it and you need to stop. It's a bunch of crock what you say. the truth is I left HT on my own accord, I got tired of the romper room mentality. I did mention that the Texans rarely (almost never) beat the Colts when Manning and Luck was is the starting QB and that's simply a fact. Now if that makes me a Colts fan then you must be really drunk drinking the Houston Texans Kool Aid! Like I said, some people can't handle the truth. Apparently you're one! As for positive posts I don't think they're is a bigger advocate for Hopkins to get paid than yours truly.
 
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Texian said:
You're spreading LIES cak, you know it and you need to stop. It's a bunch of crock what you say. the truth is I left HT on my own accord, I got tired of the romper room mentality. I did mention that the Texans rarely (almost never) beat the Colts when Manning and Luck was is the starting QB and that's simply a fact. Now if that makes me a Colts fan then you must be really drink in Houston Texans Kool Aid! Like I said, some people can't handle the truth. Apparently you're one! As for positive posts I don't think they're is a bigger advocate for Hopkins to get paid than yours truly.
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Then why when anything negative happens to the Texans you pull out Tiny Tex and have a Vaseline party?

I hope that Ozzie centerfold is laminated.
 
DBCooper said:
Then why when anything negative happens to the Texans you pull out Tiny Tex and have a Vaseline party?

I hope that Ozzie centerfold is laminated.
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We just gotta start winning, simple as that. He's one of those fans.

9-7 don't cut it when Andrew Luck didn't play either game & we lost the one at home. We won the @Indy game by the skin of our teeth.

Other than that, we dominated the south, but got owned by KC, a second tier team.... twice.

Miami, Atlanta, Buffalo... all ugly losses. Not a playoff team among them.
 
thunderkyss said:
We just gotta start winning, simple as that. He's one of those fans.

9-7 don't cut it when Andrew Luck didn't play either game & we lost the one at home. We won the @Indy game by the skin of our teeth.

Other than that, we dominated the south, but got owned by KC, a second tier team.... twice.

Miami, Atlanta, Buffalo... all ugly losses. Not a playoff team among them.
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It's not the bitching that gets my goat, it's the absolutes that are made about future events that are entirely speculation and this other course is the only way...

Fuller will NEVER be a good receiver.

Oz will NEVER be a good QB

JD will NEVER be a good player.....

And when he gets one right he spanks that train all day long.

I detest the business side of football. And at the end of the day none of us has any influence on their decisions.

Just hard to stomach a "fan" that gets happy when the Texans fail.
 
DBCooper said:
Just hard to stomach a "fan" that gets happy when the Texans fail.
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Misery loves company, he's just trying to win people over to his side.


Imagine you were a browns fan, I'm sure you wouldn't be all rainbows & gum drops about the F.O. including ownership.


Houston isn't that bad, but depending on your perspective, you can make the case.

To me, it takes all kinds to make a community & the more you engage him about his opinion, the deeper he pulls you into his world. I don't ignore him, but I try to catch myself before I get too deep. Regardless what you believe he counts it as a win when you argue his points.
 
thunderkyss said:
Misery loves company, he's just trying to win people over to his side.


Imagine you were a browns fan, I'm sure you wouldn't be all rainbows & gum drops about the F.O. including ownership.


Houston isn't that bad, but depending on your perspective, you can make the case.

To me, it takes all kinds to make a community & the more you engage him about his opinion, the deeper he pulls you into his world. I don't ignore him, but I try to catch myself before I get too deep. Regardless what you believe he counts it as a win when you argue his points.
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I get your Browns point and that would suck.

And I'm not happy with every decision made either.

I just can't go through life moaning about every detail.

Football competition is fun to me.

Whining and crying isn't.
 
thunderkyss said:
We just gotta start winning, simple as that. He's one of those fans.

9-7 don't cut it when Andrew Luck didn't play either game & we lost the one at home. We won the @Indy game by the skin of our teeth.

Other than that, we dominated the south, but got owned by KC, a second tier team.... twice.

Miami, Atlanta, Buffalo... all ugly losses. Not a playoff team among them.
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Just reading that brings back those feelings of disgust and disdain I had watching this team last year.

That just brought me back to reality and calmed down the pre season euphoria I was feeling.

Back to reality. These mf's better be on point this year.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Just reading that brings back those feelings of disgust and disdain I had watching this team last year.

That just brought me back to reality and calmed down the pre season euphoria I was feeling.

Back to reality. These mf's better be on point this year.
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Lol

Hopefully they implemented live tackling drills this camp!
 
thunderkyss said:
I think the Broncos would have used the tag on Brock had they known another team would be interested in him. A team with deep pockets (relatively speaking, at the time). But they mis-read the whole situation & as a result mis-played their hand.

& if they knew Brock didnt want to be in Denver... things would have really got ugly.
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I agree. I truly believe Elway and the rest of the Broncos organization thought Brock would automatically sign any offer they threw at him just because they're the "reigning SB Champs." And boy were they wrong!

The way he went about it made me gain respect for Brock because if I was in his shoes, I wouldn't give two shits who the starting QB was before they put me in. I know I wouldn't just sit there like a good boy waiting until they decided what to with me while they dealt with their favorites. Specially if I was the reason they even made it to the playoffs to begin with!
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Just reading that brings back those feelings of disgust and disdain I had watching this team last year.

That just brought me back to reality and calmed down the pre season euphoria I was feeling.

Back to reality. These mf's better be on point this year.
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Yeah. We dominated the division at 5-1, which means we were 4-6 outside the division.

Some of those wins were nice, Bengals, NY JETS. But overall... eh.
 
Texian said:
You're spreading LIES cak, you know it and you need to stop. It's a bunch of crock what you say. the truth is I left HT on my own accord, I got tired of the romper room mentality. I did mention that the Texans rarely
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It's ok, just be honest.
 
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