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So the Broncos didn't feel Osweiler was worth it?

New Texans QB Brock Osweiler held in low regard by ESPN panel
By Greg Rajan

Published 12:15 pm, Tuesday, August 9, 2016

The Texans and their fans are hoping that Brock Osweiler is the answer at quarterback for a franchise that has been starving for a franchise signal-caller.

I'll speak for myself, even though I think most of us feel the same... I don't think Osweiler is the answer. I hope he is. He's shown some good stuff, some bad... but I think more to the good. He's young & unfinished. It's up to O'b to make him into the QB we need him to be. $18M/yr... it's worth it to me. (not my money & all).

I'm old school. I remember the days when rookie QBs would come into the league making more money than NFL & Super Bowl MVPs. That's without taking an NFL snap.

Getting Osweiler here after an impressive (imo) seven starts making less than 14 other QBs... for less money than Jay Cutler & Kirk Cousins... I've got no problem with that.
 
In the rankings (subscription required) that are voted on by 42 NFL insiders - 10 general managers, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, five defensive coordinators, eight personnel evaluators and seven other position coaches/executives - Osweiler checked in at 27th among 33 quarterbacks
So, he's better than 5 starters and one backup, huh?

That's a poor enough grade that the Texans front office should be fired if true.

I just can't buy into that much negativity for a guy they honestly don't have that much tape on.
 
I just can't buy into that much negativity for a guy they honestly don't have that much tape on.

Me either. I think they are putting too much weight into Elway and Kubiak "let" him go. I think Osweiler has a lot of learning yet to do, but he's far ahead of where a rookie coming in would be.
 
I'll speak for myself, even though I think most of us feel the same... I don't think Osweiler is the answer. I hope he is. He's shown some good stuff, some bad... but I think more to the good. He's young & unfinished. It's up to O'b to make him into the QB we need him to be. $18M/yr... it's worth it to me. (not my money & all).

I'm old school. I remember the days when rookie QBs would come into the league making more money than NFL & Super Bowl MVPs. That's without taking an NFL snap.

Getting Osweiler here after an impressive (imo) seven starts making less than 14 other QBs... for less money than Jay Cutler & Kirk Cousins... I've got no problem with that.

I am optimistic about B.O. being the answer, but it is what happens on the field that will determine it. Certainly seen a lot of positive signs from him leading up to preseason. If he gets injured, I can see Savage stepping in a proving himself. I am eager to see what he (Savage) does in preseason. I do feel much better about our QB situation than I have in a long time.
 
Elway got friend zoned and he is still pissed about it. And the media is his bff.

Acts like he got left at the alter or something. Can't stop talking about it. Brock is going to has his chance to prove naysayers wrong.
 
Brock stays in Denver - groomed for success, heir apparent to Manning, played huge part in SB run, ranked high

Brock goes to Houston - not really experienced, chased a big payday, Denver offense hid bad play, benched for a broken down Manning, ranked low

Tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead. We all know this would be the case. Journalistic integrity went out the window years ago and sports is just as biased and political as, well, politics.
 
I'm just throwing in my two cents, but. For the last three years we had a montage of quarterbacks who's favorite targets were the chalk hash marks on the field. No deep threat, no proper leading of the receivers' to increase yards after catch. Brock may not be the 2nd coming of Dan Marino, but Dan never got his ring. But with an improved receiving core, what looks to be an improved running game. the addition of some straight up burners at WR, not to mention a "D" that can force turn overs and get some three and outs, it seems like things are lining up in a very positive way.
Great quarterbacks are always going to be great quarterbacks, other better than average quarterbacks are sometimes a product of the surroundings on the team. If you are on your butt because the o-line cant block, or you only have 1 go to receiver, or your d is on the field all day because they cant stop a 3rd and 3, these all take away from the ability to be in a position of success. From what I see the there are no glaring weaknesses on any front other than a very thin o-line. The pieces are there for success, what happens when Brock is comfortable with the schemes and the layers of the playbook is yet to be seen. As a fan the Kool-Aid looks ready for me to drink. As a fantasy geek at times........... he may not be my first QB taken, but he for sure will be #2.
 
I eagerly await the upcoming preseason game against the Niners. While I expect the offense to be plain vanilla (isn't it always in preseason?) I want to see how sharp both Osweiler and Savage are against different colored jerseys. Yeah I know it's only preseason but it'll be better than speculation which is all we got right now.

I want to see if we - at least once per QB - go deep and use our newly acquired speed. If O'Brien/Godsey roll out a total 3-yds-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense I'm gonna be a bit pissed.
Four more days fellow fans, four more days.
 
Something is brewing with Brock Osweiler and Bill O’Brien in Houston, and it’s not a problem

Updated at 11:47 a.m. ET

HOUSTON — Their quarterback/head coach relationship remains so fresh that Brock Osweiler and Bill O’Brien are still having get-to-know-you sessions five months after the former was famously swiped away from the Denver Broncos.

A long-standing bond, though, isn’t needed to recognize what has become obvious at Houston Texans training camp: O’Brien finally has a franchise-caliber quarterback to work with in his third season at the helm.

I say “caliber” because there simply isn’t enough evidence for me to confidently proclaim that Osweiler has a legitimate shot at earning his second Super Bowl ring as a starter rather than backup like in Denver. The 25-year-old comes to the Texans with only seven career starts in four NFL seasons, all of which came last year when Peyton Manning was sidelined with a foot injury.

Although he showed plenty of promise, it spoke volumes about what Denver thought of Osweiler for both the short- and long-term when he was benched in Week 17 once a noodle-armed Manning was ready to return.

Osweiler’s bitterness about the situation and a better contract offer from the Texans led to his offseason signing in Houston. The only thing he’s sweating now is buckets of perspiration when the Texans practice outdoors like earlier this week. Osweiler was cool in the pocket moving the offense in drills against a Texans defense that is still formidable even without sidelined superstar J.J. Watt (back).

“Brock looks good so far,” Texans linebacker Brian Cushing said after last Tuesday’s session as a smile crossed his face. “When you say his name I get excited. He’s made some incredible throws.

“It seems like every practice he’s getting better, which is frustrating right now because it’s coming against us. But once the season comes along it’s going to be awesome to see what he brings to this team.”

Cushing said one thing Osweiler already has brought to the Texans is leadership. Osweiler wasn’t just learning Xs and Os from Manning during his four-year Broncos apprenticeship. Osweiler saw how his mentor treated his teammates, handled the media and worked diligently at his craft outside of practice — all of which played a part in Manning forging a Hall of Fame career.

“That’s why I get out of bed in the morning: I’m chasing trying to be great,” Osweiler told co-host Gil Brandt and me on SiriusXM NFL Radio. “That’s what we’re doing here in Houston.”

Greatness was lacking at quarterback in O’Brien’s first two seasons as Texans head coach. Houston used six different starters because of injuries and performance-based decisions. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett failed to impress enough to keep the job. Play at the position bottomed out in last season’s 30-0 home playoff loss to Kansas City as Hoyer threw four interceptions.

The fact Houston even reached the postseason and registered 9-7 records in O’Brien’s first two years makes you wonder what the Texans can accomplish with a difference-maker under center, especially when Osweiler truly masters a new offensive system.

“The thing about coach O’Brien is that every single day I’m learning,” Osweiler said. “I’m getting better by him. He makes it a lot of fun to come to work.”

O’Brien, who was New England’s offensive coordinator in 2011 before a two-year stint as Penn State’s head coach, never had the chance to meet with Osweiler before free agency to see first-hand whether this would be a good marriage. That didn’t deter the desperate Texans from going the mail-order route and inking Osweiler to a four-year, $72 million contract that included $37 million guaranteed.

As much background research as Houston’s front office did on Osweiler — and there was plenty — it still didn’t guarantee O’Brien would hit it off with his new QB. Yet that is exactly what has happened even though the two are still feeling each other out deep into the doldrums of training camp.

“The other night we spent about an hour-and-a-half together talking a little football but getting to continue to know each other talking about family and all those different things,” O’Brien said.

O’Brien may not be privy yet to such intimate details as “Thinking Out Loud” by Ed Sheeran being the song Osweiler and his wife Erin danced to at their 2014 wedding. However, O’Brien has quickly discovered Osweiler has the physical tools and football IQ needed to make this pairing prosper.

“One thing that really impresses me is that he has been able to get our operation down — the play call, how to motion and shift with different personnel groupings and cadences,” O’Brien said. “I think he’s gotten better every single day.”

And as each day passes, the further Osweiler moves away from the Broncos toward forming his own NFL legacy with O’Brien and the Texans.
 

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I wonder if Rick Smith heard rumors Of Brock being unhappy because of old Denver connections and then saw an opportunity and swiped him up. Probably pretty low, but could make this junior high drama more interesting.
 
Here is the bottom line on all of this, if the Denver Broncos thought that Brock Osweiler was worth it, Brock Osweiler would be a Denver Bronco.
 
Here is the bottom line on all of this, if the Denver Broncos thought that Brock Osweiler was worth it, Brock Osweiler would be a Denver Bronco.

But isn't that a two-way street? If Brock wanted to be a Denver Bronco, he would be a Denver Bronco. Elway has already said that they wanted and expected him back.
 
But isn't that a two-way street? If Brock wanted to be a Denver Bronco, he would be a Denver Bronco. Elway has already said that they wanted and expected him back.
NO because if the Broncos truly thought that Brock was worth it, the Broncos had the tools at their disposal to make Brock a Bronco regardless.
 
NO because if the Broncos truly thought that Brock was worth it, the Broncos had the tools at their disposal to make Brock a Bronco regardless.

He wasn't a free agent that could go where he wanted?
 
The Franchise Tag would have been 24.5 Million THIS season.

Also the argument that if the Broncos wanted Brock he would be with the Broncos is bad reasoning.

BEGGING THE QUESTION: (petitio principii) entails making an argument, the conclusion of which is based on an unstated or unproven assumption.

Also our new guests should know you have a history of personal bias when it comes to QBs.
 
Franchise tag

Because the Broncos didn't use the franchise tag on Brock he was a 4 year free agent and free to sign with any team he wanted.

They weren't going to risk letting Von Miller dip his toes into the free agency market, so the franchise was never really an option. Perhaps they would have used it on Brock if not for the Miller situation, but we'll never know. Miller was a known quantity while Brock was a potential quantity.

All that aside, they made an offer to Brock. Regardless of the specific amount, it was not a Fitzpatrick/Jets situation, but a respectable amount that I believe Elway thought would be a starting point.

What they did not expect, or apparently even know, was that Brock did not want to be there any more for whatever reason(s). Personally, I think it could have been a variety of factors, but that's just my own speculation since Brock is not going to talk about it any time soon.

By signing on opening FA day, Brock showed that he wasn't about negotiating a better deal with the Broncos. He clearly wanted out and saw an offer from the Texans that showed he was valued here. I also think he likes O'Brien's system better since he played in a version of it with Mike McCoy as a rookie. Let's face it, Kubiak's system is limited and the puppet comment by Brock could be said about Kubiak's control over his scheme, as well. Some QBs hate the bootleg and want to be a field commander from the pocket.
 
I wonder if Rick Smith heard rumors Of Brock being unhappy because of old Denver connections and then saw an opportunity and swiped him up. Probably pretty low, but could make this junior high drama more interesting.

A lot of people speculated Osweiler's departure after getting benched. I can imagine Rick planning on taking a shot if the Broncos franchised Von Miller (which everything pointed to), & Brock making it to the legal tampering period unsigned.

Now that I hear Brock was equally upset not given the start in the playoffs & seeing how Peyton performed... it's easier to believe Brock was going to hit FA no matter what Denver offered.
 
Game, set, match.



Von Miller. One franchise tag. They wanted and were very clearly planning on both.
The bottom line on this is if the Broncos truly thought Osweiler was worth it they could have used the franchise tag and they didn't whether you choose to acknowledge this or not
 
They weren't going to risk letting Von Miller dip his toes into the free agency market, so the franchise was never really an option. Perhaps they would have used it on Brock if not for the Miller situation, but we'll never know. Miller was a known quantity while Brock was a potential quantity.

All that aside, they made an offer to Brock. Regardless of the specific amount, it was not a Fitzpatrick/Jets situation, but a respectable amount that I believe Elway thought would be a starting point.

What they did not expect, or apparently even know, was that Brock did not want to be there any more for whatever reason(s). Personally, I think it could have been a variety of factors, but that's just my own speculation since Brock is not going to talk about it any time soon.

By signing on opening FA day, Brock showed that he wasn't about negotiating a better deal with the Broncos. He clearly wanted out and saw an offer from the Texans that showed he was valued here. I also think he likes O'Brien's system better since he played in a version of it with Mike McCoy as a rookie. Let's face it, Kubiak's system is limited and the puppet comment by Brock could be said about Kubiak's control over his scheme, as well. Some QBs hate the bootleg and want to be a field commander from the pocket.

I understand all of this but if the Broncos thought that Osweiler was THE Franchise QB of the future to lead the Broncos for the next 15 years they could have made that happen and they choose not to. Brock got his butt hurt when he was benched for Peyton Manning and still hasn't gotten over it. Sorry but that is a bit of red flag for me. Personally I am a fan of the WCO.
 
The bottom line on this is if the Broncos truly thought Osweiler was worth it they could have used the franchise tag and they didn't whether you choose to acknowledge this or not

You're right, they could have tagged Osweiler instead of Miller on March 1, 2016. However with a good expectation that Osweiler would return at a much lower salary than the tag, it wouldn't have made much sense would it? They knew Miller would be a hot commodity, they were hoping that Osweiler would return. It was a gamble they lost
 
I understand all of this but if the Broncos thought that Osweiler was THE Franchise QB of the future to lead the Broncos for the next 15 years they could have made that happen and they choose not to. Brock got his butt hurt when he was benched for Peyton Manning and still hasn't gotten over it. Sorry but that is a bit of red flag for me. Personally I am a fan of the WCO.

This is where you choose to ignore most reliable reports that they never had a chance to counter Texans' last offer.
 
Here is the bottom line on all of this, if the Denver Broncos thought that Brock Osweiler was worth it, Brock Osweiler would be a Denver Bronco.

They thought he was worth $16.5M, $30M gauranteed. Do you believe that? That's what was reported.

We overpaid... more like gambling really. But that's FA right? I mean Malik Jackson getting more money than Jj or Suh.... its the nature of the business. Surely a guy like you, who knows Jimbo Fisher & Eliot Wolf are the right guys, know how FA works, right?

Denver thinks he's worth $16.5M, $30M gauranteed. Thats gotta say something about Brock.
 
This is where you choose to ignore most reliable reports that they never had a chance to counter Texans' last offer.

I don't ignore that, that IS exactly how it happened. The title of this thread is, "So the Broncos didn't feel Osweiler was worth it?" The answer is YES. My point is if the Broncos truly believed that Brock Osweiler was "THE" Franchise QB of Broncos future for the next decade they would have made him a Bronco and they didn't.
 
I don't ignore that, that IS exactly how it happened. The title of this thread is, "So the Broncos didn't feel Osweiler was worth it?" The answer is YES. My point is if the Broncos truly believed that Brock Osweiler was "THE" Franchise QB of Broncos future for the next decade they would have made him a Bronco and they didn't.

OK. Well, we're 7 pages into this thread. I thought we moved on beyond the original headline in this discussion.
 
Never really subscribed to red flagging a player for competitiveness. Maybe that's just me.
Agreed but when you're benched for Peyton Manning you don't act like a spoiled brat either. You wait your turn knowing it's his last year and your team next year.
 
They weren't going to risk letting Von Miller dip his toes into the free agency market, so the franchise was never really an option. Perhaps they would have used it on Brock if not for the Miller situation, but we'll never know. Miller was a known quantity while Brock was a potential quantity.

What they did not expect, or apparently even know, was that Brock did not want to be there any more for whatever reason(s)...

I think the Broncos would have used the tag on Brock had they known another team would be interested in him. A team with deep pockets (relatively speaking, at the time). But they mis-read the whole situation & as a result mis-played their hand.

& if they knew Brock didnt want to be in Denver... things would have really got ugly.
 
Agreed but when you're benched for Peyton Manning you don't act like a spoiled brat either.

By no means do I think that Brock is a lock to be great for the Texans, the jury is definitely still out. But I disagree with you that he acted like a spoiled brat. He's said almost nothing about it while Elway can't shut up and brings up Brock's "hurt feelings" over the benching over and over.
 
By no means do I think that Brock is a lock to be great for the Texans, the jury is definitely still out. But I disagree with you that he acted like a spoiled brat. He's said almost nothing about it while Elway can't shut up and brings up Brock's "hurt feelings" over the benching over and over.
Trying to play it down the middle and be fair to all, Elway only talks about it when he is asked about it
 
I understand all of this but if the Broncos thought that Osweiler was THE Franchise QB of the future to lead the Broncos for the next 15 years they could have made that happen and they choose not to.

I'll agree with that.

Of course they dont know he's the franchise QB of the future any more than we do. But i bet they wouldn't have drafted Paxton Lynch, or signed Mark Sanchez to tutor him if they managed to sign Osweiler.

Tell me I'm wrong.





Signed Sanchez to Mentor. smh
 
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Agreed but when you're benched for Peyton Manning you don't act like a spoiled brat either. You wait your turn knowing it's his last year and your team next year.

By no means do I think that Brock is a lock to be great for the Texans, the jury is definitely still out. But I disagree with you that he acted like a spoiled brat. He's said almost nothing about it while Elway can't shut up and brings up Brock's "hurt feelings" over the benching over and over.

Trying to play it down the middle and be fair to all, Elway only talks about it when he is asked about it

Where in all we've heard is Brock to be believed objectively as having acted like a 'spoiled brat'?
 
Here is the bottom line on all of this, if the Denver Broncos thought that Brock Osweiler was worth it, Brock Osweiler would be a Denver Bronco.
This is simply speculation that may make you feel superior and all oogly inside, and while any non-ludicrous speculation (which I agree this is) could be true, it remains speculation, and nothing you've subsequently posted changes that.

Thinking Brock Osweiler was worth it and thinking Von Miller was worth it certainly aren't mutually exclusive concepts. It's possible the Broncos felt that way about both. In that case your tool of the franchise tag loses credibility.

If the statement were modified to read
if the Denver Broncos thought that Brock Osweiler and Von Miller were both worth it, Brock Osweiler would be a Denver Bronco
this doesn't conflict with your original statement, but it clearly eliminates the tool you mentioned as a vehicle to ensure they retained every player they believed was worth it.
 
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Of course they dont know he's the franchise QB of the future any more than we do.
At this point I have to disagree with the above statement. I would say after being in the Bronco system for 4 years the Broncos DO HAVE a better sense of Osweiler's future than the Texans. And after last year when O'Brien corralled Hoyer and Mallatt and then declared that Texans DO NOT have QB problem, I'm leery of O'Brien and his QBs. In fact based on O'Briens QB history with the Texans I'm not sure if O'Brien knows what he's got.
 
Agreed but when you're benched for Peyton Manning you don't act like a spoiled brat either. You wait your turn knowing it's his last year and your team next year.

In what way did he act like a spoiled brat? He didnt disrupt the locker room, didnt make any noise through the playoffs. He held the clipboard & did what he was told.

He didnt stop returning phone calls till weeks after the Super Bowl & the Broncos failed to send him an offer.... not accepting their phone calls, but not making a big sti k either. Letting his people handle their business. Like hes supposed to.

I'm not seeing spoiled brat.
 
At this point I have to disagree with the above statement. I would say after being in the Bronco system for 4 years the Broncos DO HAVE a better sense of Osweiler's future than the Texans. And after last year when O'Brien corralled Hoyer and Mallatt and then declared that Texans DO NOT have QB problem, I'm leery of O'Brien and his QBs. In fact based on O'Briens QB history with the Texans I'm not sure if O'Brien knows what he's got.

Why would anyone ever declare that they have a QB problem? I have questions about what his plan for last season was, but you don't tell your QB room that they're a bunch of nobodies.
 
At this point I have to disagree with the above statement. I would say after being in the Bronco system for 4 years the Broncos DO HAVE a better sense of Osweiler's future than the Texans. And after last year when O'Brien corralled Hoyer and Mallatt and then declared that Texans DO NOT have QB problem, I'm leery of O'Brien and his QBs. In fact based on O'Briens QB history with the Texans I'm not sure if O'Brien knows what he's got.

I can't argue that.

Fingers crossed that somebody (Rick Smith, Cal, Bob.... Doesn't really matter to me) forced Brock on Mr We should be proud.

Still, i saw a young guy, with all the tools, play with gnads, intelligence, fire... all the intangibles to be great. I'm hoping we have the coaches & leadership to help him achieve greatness.


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