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So the Broncos didn't feel Osweiler was worth it?
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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Herv,
That statement is incorrect.
Just look up NFL Single Game Playoffs Passes Intercepted Leaders.
You'd be surprised with many of the names on that list.
The Houston Oilers' HOF George Blanda threw 5 in not just one game, but TWICE.
Gunslinger Dan Pastorini threw 5 against the Steelers in 1979.
The Oilers lost 34-5 in that game.
Three other HOF threw 6
Add a Pro-Bowler to that figure and you'd have 4 "more-than-decent" QB that had thrown 6 INTs in a single playoff game.
The list at 5 is fairy long.
More currently, Hoyer is among good company; with Palmer, Wilson, and Luck right by his side.
What does any of that have to do with "Most Playoff Interceptions by a Texans QB" ?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Yeah but I see his point and agree. If anything Hoyer throwing four was just a primer for the future and that's particularly true in a league that throws the ball more than ever. Eventually we'll see a Texans QB throw 5 or maybe even 6.
I was being hopelessly optimistic thinking otherwise.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Meh, 5+ INT's in a playoff game has happened 3 times in the last 25 years, and only once in the last decade (Jake Delhomme 2009) when everyone has been throwing for 4K yards in a season. It still takes a special kind of suck to get to 5 INT's in a playoff game and I'd rather it simply not happen then resign myself to the inevitable suckage. Didn't we suffer enough through the Brian Hoyer Era?
Good point! I didn't think of that angle. Kubiak has been known to be a bit of a control freak over his QBs, which is why they have such limited options at the LOS.
And I would not be surprised if O'Brien and Godsey bring up Brady too often in conversation. "Yeah, we get it, coach, you worked with Brady...Yada yada yada...5 years ago."
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Nice article from SPORTS ILLUSTRATED:
Live from Houston: Slowly but surely, Brock Osweiler taking charge of Texans
Quickly
Thursday August 4th, 2016
HOUSTON — Let’s just skip the pleasantries and get down to what everyone wants to know about the Texans in training camp (besides the status of J.J. Watt’s back): How is the $72 million man, quarterback Brock Osweiler, progressing?
They are only four days into camp and haven’t played a game yet, but after watching Wednesday’s (thankfully) indoor practice and talking to various people around the facility, the Texans are thrilled where Osweiler is at.
“We reached out to a lot of different guys and we spoke to a lot of guys that worked with Brock; everybody spoke highly of him,” coach Bill O’ Brien said of the decision to sign Osweiler away from the Broncos. “Now that we’ve had him here in person since whenever, May, the guy is really smart, he wants information, he’s here all the time. He really operates the offense. That’s one thing for [offensive coordinator George Godsey] and I that we’ve been very pleasantly surprised with. Sometimes it takes a while to operate our offense. That’s one thing that he’s done well. He’s put a lot of time into it. He’s been really good. Now look, we all know that he’s got to go out there and play well, that’s the bottom line, but to this point, he’s been really good.”
If you’ve read my previous stories diving into the Patriots’ complex offense and how the Texans gameplan for an opponent, you know that Houston runs a very complicated scheme that has several layers. It often takes a year or two for quarterbacks to get a good grasp of the system. But thanks to Osweiler’s smarts and the small taste of the New England/Houston offense that he received in Denver (where former coordinator Adam Gase retained some of Josh McDaniels’s system after McDaniels was fired as head coach), Osweiler is way ahead of the curve. To illustrate, the Texans used a play call on Wednesday that was 14 words long. Osweiler had no trouble taking in the information, dispensing it and then executing it. It may seem basic, but it means a lot in this system.
“The offense is as complicated and as in-depth as much as the quarterback can handle,” Godsey said. “He’s been able to handle a lot of information. As far as the knowledge of the system, he’s put a lot of time in. The operation, the communication from quarterbacks to receivers or linemen to changing plays with the whole unit, he’s done an excellent job of that. Now we’re only in a couple days into pads and the running game is becoming a little bit more prevalent, so it’s mixing run and pass and how we’re going to play the game. As far as being able to soak in the information and spit it back out and execute it, he’s been able to accomplish that here. It’s not easy and he’s done it in a quick amount of time if you just think from last free agency period. We’ve had quite a few [quarterbacks] here and he’s done a great job. Excellent.”
O’Brien and Godsey aren’t just saying that because they’re stuck with Osweiler. Not once during practice did I see a play be reset because someone was lined up wrong. The ball did not hit the ground very often, and the running game seemed to have some pop. It did not look like an offense with a new quarterback, running back (Lamar Miller), center (Nick Martin), right guard (Jeff Allen) and two rookie receivers (Will Fuller and Braxton Miller) running a lot of routes. That says a lot about the quarterback because in this system everything flows through him.
Not everything is perfect. Osweiler still has the same three-quarters delivery which, if his footwork isn’t right, causes his deep passes to lose steam quickly. And he’s still finding a rhythm with Pro Bowl receiver DeAndre Hopkins: On one out route in the end zone, Hopkins and Osweiler weren’t close and Hopkins slumped his shoulders in frustration. There will be growing pains.
“We’re definitely on the verge of getting there, it’s early in camp,” Hopkins said. “He’s come from a winning team, under a winning quarterback. He knows everything to do on and off the field for his team to succeed and that’s what he’s doing out here. Just from that leadership role, he knows how to win and where he wants guys to be. I’m also staying on him as well, holding him accountable like that ball in the end zone. ‘Give me a chance, throw it up. I know what you might have saw but I want you to know just throw it up.’ We’re staying on each other to get where we want to be.”
Live from Houston: Slowly but surely, Brock Osweiler taking charge of Texans
Quickly
- For someone with only seven career starts, Brock Osweiler is more prepared for 14-word play calls than you’d think. And he’s not the only new face driving up optimism in the Houston offense.
Thursday August 4th, 2016
HOUSTON — Let’s just skip the pleasantries and get down to what everyone wants to know about the Texans in training camp (besides the status of J.J. Watt’s back): How is the $72 million man, quarterback Brock Osweiler, progressing?
They are only four days into camp and haven’t played a game yet, but after watching Wednesday’s (thankfully) indoor practice and talking to various people around the facility, the Texans are thrilled where Osweiler is at.
“We reached out to a lot of different guys and we spoke to a lot of guys that worked with Brock; everybody spoke highly of him,” coach Bill O’ Brien said of the decision to sign Osweiler away from the Broncos. “Now that we’ve had him here in person since whenever, May, the guy is really smart, he wants information, he’s here all the time. He really operates the offense. That’s one thing for [offensive coordinator George Godsey] and I that we’ve been very pleasantly surprised with. Sometimes it takes a while to operate our offense. That’s one thing that he’s done well. He’s put a lot of time into it. He’s been really good. Now look, we all know that he’s got to go out there and play well, that’s the bottom line, but to this point, he’s been really good.”
If you’ve read my previous stories diving into the Patriots’ complex offense and how the Texans gameplan for an opponent, you know that Houston runs a very complicated scheme that has several layers. It often takes a year or two for quarterbacks to get a good grasp of the system. But thanks to Osweiler’s smarts and the small taste of the New England/Houston offense that he received in Denver (where former coordinator Adam Gase retained some of Josh McDaniels’s system after McDaniels was fired as head coach), Osweiler is way ahead of the curve. To illustrate, the Texans used a play call on Wednesday that was 14 words long. Osweiler had no trouble taking in the information, dispensing it and then executing it. It may seem basic, but it means a lot in this system.
“The offense is as complicated and as in-depth as much as the quarterback can handle,” Godsey said. “He’s been able to handle a lot of information. As far as the knowledge of the system, he’s put a lot of time in. The operation, the communication from quarterbacks to receivers or linemen to changing plays with the whole unit, he’s done an excellent job of that. Now we’re only in a couple days into pads and the running game is becoming a little bit more prevalent, so it’s mixing run and pass and how we’re going to play the game. As far as being able to soak in the information and spit it back out and execute it, he’s been able to accomplish that here. It’s not easy and he’s done it in a quick amount of time if you just think from last free agency period. We’ve had quite a few [quarterbacks] here and he’s done a great job. Excellent.”
O’Brien and Godsey aren’t just saying that because they’re stuck with Osweiler. Not once during practice did I see a play be reset because someone was lined up wrong. The ball did not hit the ground very often, and the running game seemed to have some pop. It did not look like an offense with a new quarterback, running back (Lamar Miller), center (Nick Martin), right guard (Jeff Allen) and two rookie receivers (Will Fuller and Braxton Miller) running a lot of routes. That says a lot about the quarterback because in this system everything flows through him.
Not everything is perfect. Osweiler still has the same three-quarters delivery which, if his footwork isn’t right, causes his deep passes to lose steam quickly. And he’s still finding a rhythm with Pro Bowl receiver DeAndre Hopkins: On one out route in the end zone, Hopkins and Osweiler weren’t close and Hopkins slumped his shoulders in frustration. There will be growing pains.
“We’re definitely on the verge of getting there, it’s early in camp,” Hopkins said. “He’s come from a winning team, under a winning quarterback. He knows everything to do on and off the field for his team to succeed and that’s what he’s doing out here. Just from that leadership role, he knows how to win and where he wants guys to be. I’m also staying on him as well, holding him accountable like that ball in the end zone. ‘Give me a chance, throw it up. I know what you might have saw but I want you to know just throw it up.’ We’re staying on each other to get where we want to be.”
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
....wrong thread (moved to http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2619540/)
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
PapaL
Loose Screw
John Elway: I believe the Broncos got better this offseason
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/07/john-elway-denver-broncos-2016-expectations/
He's trying his best to spin this but really he sounds like a scoured lover. He's getting under Sanchez, Siemian , and Lynch while trying to get over Brock.
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/07/john-elway-denver-broncos-2016-expectations/
He's trying his best to spin this but really he sounds like a scoured lover. He's getting under Sanchez, Siemian , and Lynch while trying to get over Brock.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
If Brock wasn't a good fit then why did Elway offer him 16.5m per year for 4 years to stay with Denver? When Osweiler was offered the 72m 4 year deal to come to Houston, Elway wasn't given the opportunity to counter the offer.
I think he would have given the chance to try and keep Osweiler. He is just upset that his 4 year investment chose to leave Denver. His acting like a jilted lover over the ordeal. He just needs to get over it. And if he actually thinks any of the quarterbacks he now has are better then Osweiler, Oh man is he sadly mistaken. We by far and away got the better end of that deal. Osweiler in my opinion was not over paid. He's actually paid middle of the pack. No veteran minimum but definitely not elite pay either. Aren't we all getting tired of hearing Elway's woes? I know I sure am. This will all be settled week 7 when our Texans travel to Denver and destroy the Broncos. Osweiler will get the final say in the matter.
I think he would have given the chance to try and keep Osweiler. He is just upset that his 4 year investment chose to leave Denver. His acting like a jilted lover over the ordeal. He just needs to get over it. And if he actually thinks any of the quarterbacks he now has are better then Osweiler, Oh man is he sadly mistaken. We by far and away got the better end of that deal. Osweiler in my opinion was not over paid. He's actually paid middle of the pack. No veteran minimum but definitely not elite pay either. Aren't we all getting tired of hearing Elway's woes? I know I sure am. This will all be settled week 7 when our Texans travel to Denver and destroy the Broncos. Osweiler will get the final say in the matter.
What do you expect him to say?
PapaL
Loose Screw
I'd expect a GM to talk about the players he has under contract and not say much about players that have left.
RickInHouston
Practice Squad
Broncos fans are so but hert (yes, I misspelled it so it might get through) over Elway and Osweiller. Some Broncos fan came down for a Texan's practice and went on their board and bashed his play. "He was terrible. The paper's say he was terrible. He throws a downward trajectory and I'm so upset over the way he does that. I'm glad we got rid of him..."
I'm happy they have a quarterback controversy. It's great going through a training camp NOT having a quarterback question for the first time.
I'm happy they have a quarterback controversy. It's great going through a training camp NOT having a quarterback question for the first time.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I don't think Elway said OS wasn't a good fit, I do think Elway said that the MONEY wasn't a fit.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
Read his comments from yesterday. Also look at the reports during the bidding war. Elway was prepared to counter the 72m 4 year deal the Texans gave Osweiler but wasn't given the chance. Osweiler wanted to be here and the Texans really wanted him.
But, Elway also wasn't going to break the bank to keep him.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Which is laughable. The Texans offered $1.5M more per year than Denver, which isn't a lot on $66M+ contracts. And Elway never rescinded his offer of $16.5M or was given a chance to back away from the bidding. The Broncos offer was still good when Brock took the Texans deal. It's almost pitiful how poorly Elway is trying to spin this to make it seem like the Broncos made the decision to not want Brock.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I think you're confusing what the writer said with what Elway said. Here is what Elway actually said: "But he had an opportunity to make a tremendous amount of money in Houston, and for us, it just didn’t fit.” TRANSLATION: With our cap situation we couldn't afford what Houston was offering.
I'm amazed at folks who think that $6 MILLION "isn't a lot". (not to mention another $3MM saved with NO state income tax)
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sandman
Brexit Advisor
So Elway offered $66M over 4 years, but $72M over four years is a "tremendous" amount of money that "just didn't fit" what they wanted to do?
And yes, $1.5M difference per year for a starting QB that you were grooming for four years to take over for Manning? It isn't a lot.
Most players will almost always give a hometown discount. Brock was going to be The Man in Denver. For the defending SB champions. You don't walk away from that for a mere $1.5M per year and only 2 years guaranteed.
Despite what Elway continues to try and say to the media, it is painfully obvious by the way Brock has put Denver in his past and basically refuses to talk about it, that it wasn't about the money. And it is also painfully obvious that Elway has personally taken exception to the situation because he can't stop talking about it.
The problem may also lie not in where the dollar figure ended up for Denver, but rather how low it started.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Most players, just like you and everyone here, never leave money on the table. Hometown discounts are far and few, rarely happen, almost a myth. It's really dumbfounding how these message board know it alls think that $9 MILLION is not a lot of money. Amazing!
At the time the offers were being made If Denver had made the same offer as Houston they would've been over the cap and would've had to cut players to make it happen. Houston knew this and why they offered OS what they did. And it worked!
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Brandon420tx
Flounder
It's almost like you're saying they got what they wanted using a smart and effective tactic...
brb, I'm going to check if pigs are flying
PapaL
Loose Screw
With Texian there's always more to be said. Always.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
The more the better. Lol
Takes up dead time until we have games to watch and discuss.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
Absolutely nothing. At this point in time, just keep his horseface shut about players not on his roster.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Elway never thought of needing "several options" until Brock unexpectedly (to him) decided to leave the Broncos.
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gs27
Veteran
I am a little late to the party here but wanted to chime in about the puppet comment. What annoys me the most is the spin the media has to put on everything a player says. The media and fans don't want to hear clichés but when a player speaks his mind the media has to twist it and turn it to make it as controversial as possible.
IMO, his puppet comment was just simply saying he is not a puppet, or not a player that the coaches can pull on a few strings to turn into Tom Brady. In no way was he saying Tom Brady was a puppet, just that he is not a puppet or piece of clay that can be turned into Tom Brady. Brock is Brock and he has a different set of skills than Brady.
If O'Brien and Godsey continually throw Tom Brady in his face then I am a little disappointed in O'Brien and Godsey. IMO, Osweiler is most similar in skillset to Joe Flacco, so hopefully the coaches are considering looks that have been successful for Flacco and implementing a few of them into the offense.
IMO, his puppet comment was just simply saying he is not a puppet, or not a player that the coaches can pull on a few strings to turn into Tom Brady. In no way was he saying Tom Brady was a puppet, just that he is not a puppet or piece of clay that can be turned into Tom Brady. Brock is Brock and he has a different set of skills than Brady.
If O'Brien and Godsey continually throw Tom Brady in his face then I am a little disappointed in O'Brien and Godsey. IMO, Osweiler is most similar in skillset to Joe Flacco, so hopefully the coaches are considering looks that have been successful for Flacco and implementing a few of them into the offense.
Only thing is that he was asked about the player & situation. If he's bringing Brock up out of no where, I agree with you. But when asked... he's going to say something.
PapaL
Loose Screw
If we've learned anything from O'Brien it's that just because a question is asked, it's doesn't mean you have to answer it how they want you to answer it. Example:
Q: How do you feel about Brock bolting for Houston?
A: I feel that we have some great pieces in place that can help us repeat as Champions. They are making progress every day and being the best teammates they can be.
By talking about Brock he's just stirring the sh!t pot even more. He can either do as I suggest or just punch the next mf'er that mentions Brock in the face. That should help change the subject.
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
Not everyone is O'brien. Lol
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
The Broncos just names Mark Sanchez and Trevor Siemians as "Co-starters" (which presumably means Paxton Lynch is #3).
All I will say it what does it say about your QB situation when Mark Sanchez can't even clearly beat out a second year 7th round pick who's taken one NFL snap (which was a kneel down), and the second year 7th round pick can't even clearly beat out Mark Sanchez?
Texian
Hall of Fame
I don't know why so many folks are having such a difficult time understanding this.
Tells me there's only so much you can do in practice & the things that separates the starters from the back ups happen on game day.
corytx8
Rookie
I don't see how you came to that conclusion. It's simple, the Broncos wanted to keep Brock but didn't have the money to match the Texans.
If they would have matched, the Broncos would been over the cap. Especially with the Von Miller contract situation going on.
Pains me to say this, but I see and agree with the past couple points Texian is making.
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What that means most of all the Broncos don't really have a starting QB. RB by committee NAP, but QB by committee is a problem.
Seems Elway was expecting Brock to give him the Rocky Mountain discount and got pizzed because he didn't. Elway is acting like the Donald Trump of the NFL the way he seems so upset, and insulted by Brocks rejection.
Brandon420tx, the way I understand him, is saying the Texans used a smart, effective tactic to get what the Texans wanted. To hear you agree, that the Texans did something smart, is enough to throw one off.
bayoudreamn
Rookie
Off subject, but I really appreciate an "era" that lasts only one year at my age.....I get to work a few in.
bayoudreamn
Rookie
Off subject, but I really appreciate an "era" that lasts only one year at my age.....I get to work a few in.
I saw that video from today earlier with Osweiler saying that. At the time, I didn't think much of it but wondered why a reported asked another question about that now. Didn't know that Elway had commented again.
Osweiler is pretty sharp. He was very PC with his answer, though I doubt he would have answered at all had Elway not commented again. Thats a soft shoe little comeback
texanhead08
All Pro
Texans knew the only way they were going to get Brock was giving him an offer that felt the Broncos didn't have the cap space to match. The Broncos facing the issue with re-signing Von Miller played right into the Texans plan.
It is kind of chickenshit that Elway can't shut up talking about Brock and how they didn't feel he was worth the money he got. He just got duped in negotiations and that's just the business of sports. If Brock crashes and burns he will look smart, but if Brock plays well and the **** storm of QB's they have suck then people will really question his gamble on not signing Brock soon as the season ended. If I was Elway I would hope Paxton Lynch can learn the system and get into the lineup asap, because if you are facing 16 games with Marc Sanchez at QB the prospect of your team repeating is not good at all and making the playoffs might be out of the question.
It is kind of chickenshit that Elway can't shut up talking about Brock and how they didn't feel he was worth the money he got. He just got duped in negotiations and that's just the business of sports. If Brock crashes and burns he will look smart, but if Brock plays well and the **** storm of QB's they have suck then people will really question his gamble on not signing Brock soon as the season ended. If I was Elway I would hope Paxton Lynch can learn the system and get into the lineup asap, because if you are facing 16 games with Marc Sanchez at QB the prospect of your team repeating is not good at all and making the playoffs might be out of the question.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
And that is fine that they didn't have the money. Or that they could get the money but needed to cut players and they didn't think they could do that.
Saying the Texans offering of $1.5M more per year than he offered was "tremendous" makes it sound like the only thing Brock was interested in was chasing money and comes across as butt hurt. They clearly wanted him and are clearly pissed off that he didn't stay. Brock isn't really talking about his version of the situation, so we may never know what exactly happened, but anyone with any lick of deductive reasoning skills can see that this is deeper than getting pulled in one game or $1.5M more per year. And whatever it is, Elway has taken it personally.
So I've been thinking about this... he could have told the truth. Or what I perceive is the truth.
"Of course we're disappointed. We invested four years into Brock, we like how he's progressed, he's a true pro & we believe he's going to be a fine QB in this league. Things didn't work out the way we hoped in negotiations... you win some, you lose some. It's a business & we have to move on."
I agree, the way he answered the question just keeps the media buzzing.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
New Texans QB Brock Osweiler held in low regard by ESPN panel
By Greg Rajan
Published 12:15 pm, Tuesday, August 9, 2016
The Texans and their fans are hoping that Brock Osweiler is the answer at quarterback for a franchise that has been starving for a franchise signal-caller.
However, according to ESPN's newly released NFL QB Tier Rankings, Osweiler isn't regarded as highly by a panel of league insiders as he is by Texans brass.
In the rankings (subscription required) that are voted on by 42 NFL insiders - 10 general managers, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, five defensive coordinators, eight personnel evaluators and seven other position coaches/executives - Osweiler checked in at 27th among 33 quarterbacks.
Osweiler fell under Tier 3, which is described as "Legit starter but needs heavy run game/defense to win."
"I wouldn't have minded if he stayed in Denver," a head coach whose team faces Osweiler's old Denver squad this season told ESPN. "If he was any good, they would not have let him go. That is one position, especially if your general manager is a quarterback, you don't let that guy go if he is good."
A personnel director called Osweiler "a leader type, but he is not an innate leader. Some of it is manufactured. He has to grow into a leader. He will talk and do all that stuff but it is not as natural as it is with some of the other guys. I think that can backfire on you, especially when you are faced with adversity."
Meanwhile, another personnel director said, "If they try to put the game on his shoulders, I think he is not the type of quarterback who is going to win it for you.
"Is he a $17 million quarterback? Well, that's what the market says he was. That will put a lot of pressure on him to perform and I'd be a little leery of that."
The lowest-ranked QB on the list? Presumed Rams starter and former Texans backup/UH star Case Keenum.
Among the quarterbacks ranked above Osweiler: Buffalo's Tyrod Taylor, the Jets' Ryan Fitzpatrick, Miami's Ryan Tannehill, Minnesota's Teddy Bridgewater, Jacksonville's Blake Bortles and Tennessee's Marcus Mariota.
Of those six, only Bridgewater has guided his team to the playoffs.
By Greg Rajan
Published 12:15 pm, Tuesday, August 9, 2016
The Texans and their fans are hoping that Brock Osweiler is the answer at quarterback for a franchise that has been starving for a franchise signal-caller.
However, according to ESPN's newly released NFL QB Tier Rankings, Osweiler isn't regarded as highly by a panel of league insiders as he is by Texans brass.
In the rankings (subscription required) that are voted on by 42 NFL insiders - 10 general managers, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, five defensive coordinators, eight personnel evaluators and seven other position coaches/executives - Osweiler checked in at 27th among 33 quarterbacks.
Osweiler fell under Tier 3, which is described as "Legit starter but needs heavy run game/defense to win."
"I wouldn't have minded if he stayed in Denver," a head coach whose team faces Osweiler's old Denver squad this season told ESPN. "If he was any good, they would not have let him go. That is one position, especially if your general manager is a quarterback, you don't let that guy go if he is good."
A personnel director called Osweiler "a leader type, but he is not an innate leader. Some of it is manufactured. He has to grow into a leader. He will talk and do all that stuff but it is not as natural as it is with some of the other guys. I think that can backfire on you, especially when you are faced with adversity."
Meanwhile, another personnel director said, "If they try to put the game on his shoulders, I think he is not the type of quarterback who is going to win it for you.
"Is he a $17 million quarterback? Well, that's what the market says he was. That will put a lot of pressure on him to perform and I'd be a little leery of that."
The lowest-ranked QB on the list? Presumed Rams starter and former Texans backup/UH star Case Keenum.
Among the quarterbacks ranked above Osweiler: Buffalo's Tyrod Taylor, the Jets' Ryan Fitzpatrick, Miami's Ryan Tannehill, Minnesota's Teddy Bridgewater, Jacksonville's Blake Bortles and Tennessee's Marcus Mariota.
Of those six, only Bridgewater has guided his team to the playoffs.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I hope a printout of this is pinned up in his locker.
PapaL
Loose Screw
undisputed leader of this team? I wouldn't say all that. He hasn't taken a single snap for us. He looks good on paper but will that translate to leading his team into battle and eventual victory? Tune in next week on Dragon Ball Z!