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3rd round pick Braxton Miller WR Houston texans

The Pencil Neck said:
Apparently, there are new restrictions about what they can and can't say. There's nowhere near as much information as we've had in the past. At least, it doesn't like there's been as much info.
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Some of the media has said that for this part of OTA's the restrictions have always been in place.

I think once camp actually starts more news will come out. At that point fans will be able to attend some sessions anyways.

But yeah...I wouldn't worry about what is or isn't being reported right now. Doesn't matter anyways. Even if the news is positive, it makes you feel kinda good, but it doesn't really mean much at this point.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Some of the media has said that for this part of OTA's the restrictions have always been in place.

I think once camp actually starts more news will come out. At that point fans will be able to attend some sessions anyways.

But yeah...I wouldn't worry about what is or isn't being reported right now. Doesn't matter anyways. Even if the news is positive, it makes you feel kinda good, but it doesn't really mean much at this point.
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Slow offseason - love watching video and reading up on our new guys:

Texans plan 'multidimensional' role for Braxton Miller
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ans-planning-multidimensional-role-for-miller

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Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reported the club envisions a "multidimensional" role for Miller, who has proven to be, per Wilson, a "determined, quick study" during his first NFL offseason.

"(He's) just a versatile player, explosive player," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "Trying to impact our football team, adding players who can add dimensions to our football team who can make plays with the ball in their hands, and certainly he can do that."

Texans receivers coach Sean Ryan added: "The thing with him is he works at it; he wants to pick things up. He wants to be good. I think he's got a little chip on his shoulder understanding that there were some people out there that thought there would be this large learning curve for him and weren't sure about him being a receiver. ... He wants to learn and he's smart enough to learn and those are the two biggest factors to me."
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At least once a game I would like to see ball in his hands looking down field; LBs and DBs would have to decide to go after him or play back. His workout 40 of 4.46 should be respected.
 
Texecutioner said:
Which didn't last that long.
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Don't see what that has to do with his moves out on the field.. and the guy did play 9 NFL seasons which is a lot longer than league avg.

Dante Hall was always a return specialist, he was a undersized 5th round pick, and the most receptions he ever had in a season was 40..

Braxton Miller has a lot higher upside and a much more intriguing skill set..as far as receiving and rushing goes. Let's just hope he can make the transition, but other QBs have before and had great careers.. the natural talent is there. I think he'll eventually develop into a lot more than just a gimmick/special teams player for us.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Don't see what that has to do with his moves out on the field.. and the guy did play 9 NFL seasons which is a lot longer than league avg.

Dante Hall was always a return specialist, he was a undersized 5th round pick, and the most receptions he ever had in a season was 40..

Braxton Miller has a lot higher upside and a much more intriguing skill set..as far as receiving and rushing goes. Let's just hope he can make the transition, but other QBs have before and had great careers.. the natural talent is there. I think he'll eventually develop into a lot more than just a gimmick/special teams player for us.
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I said nothing about Miller or what I thought he was capable of.

I was merely pointing out Dante Hall as a terrible example since his career wasn't much ever, other than that one stint where he went nuts with those kick returns in 4 straight games or something like that. Other than that one stint, he was never a consistent player in the NFL, so using him as an example to suggest that Miller could shine isn't a good one.

The fact is that most players with the skill set of Miller don't have long strong NFL careers, because most OC's just aren't that good at using them. They use them as these little niche players, but rarely are they consistently used on a successful basis in their roles. I haven't watched enough of him to know how good he can do personally. The NE Patriots are by far the best team I've ever seen at using gadget backs in the running game and making them successful in the short passing game as well. I just don't see a lot of OC's being creative enough to dial up the right plays to utilize them consistently in the offense. I'm not saying Miller can't be, but just looking at the past.
 
Texecutioner said:
I said nothing about Miller or what I thought he was capable of.

I was merely pointing out Dante Hall as a terrible example since his career wasn't much ever, other than that one stint where he went nuts with those kick returns in 4 straight games or something like that. Other than that one stint, he was never a consistent player in the NFL, so using him as an example to suggest that Miller could shine isn't a good one.

The fact is that most players with the skill set of Miller don't have long strong NFL careers, because most OC's just aren't that good at using them. They use them as these little niche players, but rarely are they consistently used on a successful basis in their roles. I haven't watched enough of him to know how good he can do personally. The NE Patriots are by far the best team I've ever seen at using gadget backs in the running game and making them successful in the short passing game as well. I just don't see a lot of OC's being creative enough to dial up the right plays to utilize them consistently in the offense. I'm not saying Miller can't be, but just looking at the past.
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Maybe you missed the original question/scenario about juke moves never working. The Dante Hall example was about that. Not about his 9 year career or about how Miller could shine. It's about juke moves. Keep up...
 
Over/Under Braxton Miller = Devier Posey?

What does Brax even do out there?

We have Jaelen Strong. Did we even need the Braxton Miller pick when we had more offensive line needs?

Of course I can't tell the future, but right now this looks like the brainstrust getting too cute in the draft, along with Tyler Ervin.

Always in hindsight, but I would gladly give up both Ervin and Miller for some young offensive line blood.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Over/Under Braxton Miller = Devier Posey?

What does Brax even do out there?

We have Jaelen Strong. Did we even need the Braxton Miller pick when we had more offensive line needs?

Of course I can't tell the future, but right now this looks like the brainstrust getting too cute in the draft, along with Tyler Ervin.

Always in hindsight, but I would gladly give up both Ervin and Miller for some young offensive line blood.
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wow, already? I can understand your point, but not ready to give up on them after 1/4 of one season. They did show a lot of promise... but then again our OL is so bad maybe a difference in 3rd & 4th could have been made
 
I would think a coaching staff should be able to make a heck of an aerial attack with Nuk, Fuller, & what Jalen Strong is supposed to be.

But Jalen is looking more like Posey than Braxton is.

Jalen hadn't done anything yet. I like hedging our bet b6 drafting Miller.

What I would like to see though is enough creativity to rotate Fuller, Strong, & Braxton to really test defenses. But if Fuller is going to get all the WR2 snaps & Miller is going to get the majority of WR3 snaps... you're pretty much wasting talent.

I could see in a couple of years when Fuller has established himself as a WR2 or even WR1.. but right now I'd be throwing all three of them at defenses & keeping them off balance.
 
thunderkyss said:
I would think a coaching staff should be able to make a heck of an aerial attack with Nuk, Fuller, & what Jalen Strong is supposed to be.

But Jalen is looking more like Posey than Braxton is.

Jalen hadn't done anything yet. I like hedging our bet b6 drafting Miller.

What I would like to see though is enough creativity to rotate Fuller, Strong, & Braxton to really test defenses. But if Fuller is going to get all the WR2 snaps & Miller is going to get the majority of WR3 snaps... you're pretty much wasting talent.

I could see in a couple of years when Fuller has established himself as a WR2 or even WR1.. but right now I'd be throwing all three of them at defenses & keeping them off balance.
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All 3 of them bring something different to the table so yeah I'd be utilizing the heck out of all 3 until I found what works best
 
EVOLVIST said:
Over/Under Braxton Miller = Devier Posey?


What does Brax even do out there?


We have Jaelen Strong. Did we even need the Braxton Miller pick when we had more offensive line needs?


Of course I can't tell the future, but right now this looks like the brainstrust getting too cute in the draft, along with Tyler Ervin.


Always in hindsight, but I would gladly give up both Ervin and Miller for some young offensive line blood.
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Lil early but fair questions. When we drafted brax we were stacking the deck - we didn't know then fuller5 would immediately be as competent as he is. We didn't know martin would be out or how bad Duane brown's injury was. We expected x to improve and allen to be better then what he is. Thats no excuse because i wanted more ol help to - but those were surely considerations.


Im fans of brax and ervin both and don't think we've seen a hint of what they can be yet. Without a strong ol however it looks like we're building for 2017.
 
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powda said:
Lil early but fair questions. When we drafted brax we were stacking the deck - we didn't know then fuller5 would immediately be as competent as he is. We didn't know martin would be out or how bad Duane brown's injury was. We expected x to improve and allen to be better then what he is. Thats no excuse because i wanted more ol help to - but those were surely considerations.


Im fans of brax and ervin both and don't think we've seen a hint of what they can be yet. Without a strong ol however it looks like we're building for 2017.
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This is true, but our coaching has been so bad I don't think we know what we could have even at the Ol group
 
It let me put it another way: take a look at what Keith Mumphery did in his first 5 games compared to Braxton Miller in his first 5. Well, Miller has only played 3 games, so we're not there yet.

Still, I expect draft pics 1-3, baring injury, to make an immediate impact toward the positive. Miller has done nothing so far.

Is the jury still out? Sure! Could Brax be the next Jerry Rice? It's possible. But in a win now league, I'm just not seeing the best players on the field at the moment.

They keep trotting the newest flavor out there while some other players are ripe to contribute.
 
EVOLVIST said:
It let me put it another way: take a look at what Keith Mumphery did in his first 5 games compared to Braxton Miller in his first 5. Well, Miller has only played 3 games, so we're not there yet.

Still, I expect draft pics 1-3, baring injury, to make an immediate impact toward the positive. Miller has done nothing so far.

Is the jury still out? Sure! Could Brax be the next Jerry Rice? It's possible. But in a win now league, I'm just not seeing the best players on the field at the moment.

They keep trotting the newest flavor out there while some other players are ripe to contribute.
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What other players?
 
As Bill Parcells once said (supposedly), "If I'm gonna cook the meal, then I need to be the one to pick out the groceries."

Well, let's flip that a little bit. If the meal tastes nasty, should you blame the ingredients or the cook for not picking what he needed (or just flat being a lousy cook)?

I don't think the players are the problem.

What do you think Belichick (and Brady) could do with this kind of speed on the outside and Braxton's multi-skill set in the slot?
 
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Braxton has only been a WR for how long now? I've always thought he was a high-ceiling project that will come along slowly. Also doesn't help that he's been hampered by injuries.


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I expected him to get more targets than he has had given how they were using him in the preseason. Maybe it's partially due to the hamstring injury?

I'd hope we start seeing him more now that he's a few weeks removed from that injury. We could certainly use a hot read option with his ability in space since our OL isn't able to hold up for long.
 
TexansBull said:
It's going to be interesting to see DW with Miller on the field together.
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Also important to note that Miller is completely another offseason at WR. A position he's still learning! And now he's got Welker teaching him the ropes... I expect a big jump in year 2 provided his shoulder is healthy and he's able to fully participate in offseason workouts.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Braxton was voted best player at the Senior Bowl playing a new position . I'm more worried about his health than his ability and it just goes to show you how Brockie O could devaluate a player .
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Had nothing to do with Brock. He showed absolutely nothing last season. He showed poor route running, and did very little to make himself an impact.
 
Texecutioner said:
I have zero interest in giving you rainbows of fiction for sake of it being a guy in a Texans uniform. Waste of time.
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Did anyone ask for rainbows of fiction regarding any player, or your interest thereof? Yeah I guess it is a waste of time trying to find a sense of humor in you.
 
Texecutioner said:
Had nothing to do with Brock. He showed absolutely nothing last season. He showed poor route running, and did very little to make himself an impact.
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You know why that is ? He was a QB in college just like Julian Eddlemen . I'm thinking Julian didn't do much his first 3 years in the league . OK ... Eddlemen had 69 catches his first 4 years total .
 
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Honoring Earl 34 said:
You know why that is ? He was a QB in college just like Julian Eddlemen . I'm thinking Julian didn't do much his first 3 years in the league . OK ... Eddlemen had 69 catches his first 4 years total .
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Example using Edelman is not applicable. He was very productive in the roles they gave him early on. They already had Welker performing as the best slot receiver the league had ever seen, and a passing attack that was the best in the league so Edelman wasn't needed to be anything more than what they asked him to be at that time which was on trick plays, kick and punt return, and a fee pass plays here and there. He stepped up at pretty much every role they put him in. The Pats didn't need or ask Edelman to be anymore than that at the time. Edelman also suffered some injuries which kept him off the field some. Miller was on an offense that really needed contributions from him, and he brought zilch. He never looked like anything of high potential last season. Every time the Texans draft these 3rd and 4th round projects at WR, I hear some of the worst arguments for their struggles. Smith has only drafted one good WR in 11 years which was Hopkins, so I always find it ironic that people keep having faith in his evaluations at that position.
 
Texecutioner said:
Example using Edelman is not applicable. He was very productive in the roles they gave him early on. They already had Welker performing as the best slot receiver the league had ever seen, and a passing attack that was the best in the league so Edelman wasn't needed to be anything more than what they asked him to be at that time which was on trick plays, kick and punt return, and a fee pass plays here and there. He stepped up at pretty much every role they put him in. The Pats didn't need or ask Edelman to be anymore than that at the time. Edelman also suffered some injuries which kept him off the field some. Miller was on an offense that really needed contributions from him, and he brought zilch. He never looked like anything of high potential last season. Every time the Texans draft these 3rd and 4th round projects at WR, I hear some of the worst arguments for their struggles. Smith has only drafted one good WR in 11 years which was Hopkins, so I always find it ironic that people keep having faith in his evaluations at that position.
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So in other words Eddlemen wasn't ready ?

I'm not having faith in Smith , I'm having faith that Miller is better than he looked . They wanted him to be a wildcat QB , a WR , some return work , and so on . His talents would mean lots of yards after the catch if you can get the ball out front with touch . The ball was more behind him and low .
 
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Miller isn't Edelman, but I also have high hopes for him. If someone can throw him a catchable ball who knows what he can do
 
Texecutioner said:
You might need to read my post again, because I didn't say that anywhere in my post.
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I was telling you that . It's hard enough for a four year college starter as a rookie now compare that to a guy switching from QB to WR . I don't remember a rookie making that transition his first year and looking polished .
 
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