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Duane Brown and Mexican Meat
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CloakNNNdagger
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So, the NFL wants to plan a regular season game in Mexico, you say... 
CloakNNNdagger
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After a League-wide affirmation and alert of this situation sent to all teams and players, expect no future leniency or successful appeals...........no more than previous cases of "oops, didn't know that ingredient was in my supplement."
How believable is this CnD? Brown has done PED's before, so do you think he did them again or is this food thing really plausible?
CloakNNNdagger
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I would not venture to say. His 1st suspension of 4 games back in the beginning of 2010 under the steroid or stimulants policy must have occurred around the end of 2009 and had to go through appeals until finalized. Typically, "probable cause" testing is established at the will of the special administer to occur any time at his will for typically a minimum of 2 years after the final decision. So by 2015, I would suspect that Brown stayed clean and was back in the "random" occasional testing with the regular players. For the announcement of this recent decision, the "offense had to be discovered by the Nov 10 2015 Bye Week or just after (because the Clenbuterol would be unlikely to have been detectable after1 week following ingestion). The appeal process is usually completed within 3-4 months. Brown's final decision was handed down after a lengthy 6 months.........telling me that the NFL really didn't have a good plan to handle the Mexican "tainted meat" claim and essentially didn't know what to do............up to now they must have been ignorant and/or oblivious to the World Anti-Doping Agency's long-standing warnings and established guidelines (which I guarantee that teams and players, being part of the international competition community, were all supplied updated WADA information as it was made available in the past). Under these circumstances, being unprepared to handle the process, they would have had to give the NFL's first case the benefit of the doubt..........not coincidentally, immediately thereafter submitting the WADA warnings and guidelines to all teams and players.........as a fair warning that this "excuse" will not be considered a valid defense in the NFL in the future.
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xtruroyaltyx
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That Mexican meat'll get you every time. I promise.
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This thread title.... 
CloakNNNdagger
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Theoretically (not proven clinically) combining some of its effects can help an athlete perform as a stimulant, as a muscle mass preservative and as a mechanism to deliver more oxygen to the blood through the respiratory system. These are all effects pushed by weight lifting web sites, which are commonly read by NFL players where a great deal of misinformation resides but is still scrambled to and followed by these same NFL players................despite many of the suggestions that these effects directly translate into significant overall performance enhancements remain unproven and strictly theoretical.
As far as it being an honest mistake, which I would hope it was.............I don't know how sophisticated the NFL got in its investigation of Brown. As I posted previously, it is unlikely that a blood test would detect Clenbuterol beyond ~1 week...............However, Clenbuterol, like many other substances, accumulates in very small amounts in hair follicles. If an athlete has taken the substance over a period of time in the past, his hair test might return a positive for a period of six months or longer. Conversely, if the Clenbuterol resulted from a single incident, in which the player had eaten tainted meat for example, a hair test would almost certainly be negative.
CloakNNNdagger
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Duane Brown ✔ @DuaneBrown76 
The Pencil Neck
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It's a drug that bodybuilders dabble with when they're dieting to try to preserve muscle mass while cutting. The NFL (and other federations) pretty much just ban/outlaw anything bodybuilders or bicyclists are known to do.
Hervoyel
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This thread title....
Yep. Maybe I've been on the internet too long ("Thousand Yard Stare" long....) but my eyes saw this and my brain translated it into:
"Duane Brown Sex Tape Released - Don't Click This. Seriously."
PapaL
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This thread title....
And that's exactly why this should stay in the Random Texans news; where the story was first discussed. This title is terrible, just terrible.
The Pencil Neck
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That just makes it that much more unbelievable that we didn't draft an OT. They couldn't have known he wasn't going to face that suspension. Talk about dodging a bullet.
Maybe some of us don't translate "random thought of the day" into "actual Texans news story of the day" ... the title is proper and address exactly what is being discussed...geez WWMS (What Would Marshall Say)
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CloakNNNdagger
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Evidently, the League, the NFLPA and the team knew enough about the tainted beef warnings that they mounted their appeal based on it. Surprising how ignorance is convenient until it's inconvenient.
Thorn
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I think you lean to much on the word random, which can be used in different ways. For instance, there is nothing random in news, because news is already random, so it seems that you can't adjust your thinking because you can't see the light of randomness.
HOU-TEX
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I don't think there was much of an OT class this year. Other than the 1st couple that were drafted there weren't any that could come in and crack the starting oline. We still have Clark, who's serviceable as a swing. Were there any OTs in our spot that could beat out Clark? I agree we should've snagged an OT somewhere during the draft, but he wouldn't have been much of a help had DB gotten suspended.
The Pencil Neck
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Not as a replacement for DB, or even for Clark or Newton, but as depth in case one of those guys goes down if DB had gotten suspended. There were some guys in the 3rd and 4th round we could have gotten for that.
HOU-TEX
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I can agree with that. Let's see what happens throughout the rest of the offseason and TC cuts. Maybe we'll grab one or two more
PapaL
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Texans random thought of the day, not random thought of the day. Two totally different threads. Has there been anything more random and Texans related than this?
Potentially losing your starting LT for 10 games is thread worthy, just because the reason is not ordinary does not make it random (outside of the drug test he apparently took)...If mostly middle age men see the word meat and think of anything but something other than food on a plate, nothing I can do about that.
PapaL
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There's nothing potentially about it. The only story that came out was him NOT being suspended because he won his appeal. Has we heard about a potential 10 game suspension before the result, I would agree. Plus the story broke there a solid 2 hours before this thread was made.
I see the line there and just disagree... i will jump off here so this discussion does not become bigger than the story or non-story as some see it.
FuzzyLogic
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CloakNNNdagger
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Wait a minute.........you may have just described at least 1/2 of the NFL player population when it comes to trying to gain "the edge" to look better, perform better, heal better or "feel" better.
CloakNNNdagger
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Surprising that Spain was not specifically named as a country notoriously known for illicit use of clenbuterol in growing their cattle. In 2010, world champion Spanish cyclist Albertao Contador was suspended for 2 full years after testing positive for traces of clenbuterol. He adamantly claimed his innocence, and that this positive test could have only been caused by ingestion of the Spanish beef. It fell on deaf ears.
Texian
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Wait a minute.........you may have just described at least 1/2 of the NFL player population when it comes to trying to gain "the edge" to look better, perform better, heal better or "feel" better.
Hey Doc, just a quick question. A ruptured Achilles, not that long ago, was once consider a career ender. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% - 70% could not return to the game. Those who did often performed at at lower level. On top of that, full rehab was a 2 year process. Today a ruptured Achilles is much like a torn ACL for the players. Today, most players who suffer a ruptured Achilles return much faster than before and play at higher level than those who suffered the same injury on a few years ago. Better medicine I know, what changed?
CloakNNNdagger
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When I wrote the review, that was published in the Chronicle in 2011, of the 2009 landmark NFL Achilles tendon rupture article, I pointed out some limitations of the article. Even so, return to play has at least appeared to improve on the surface, but this may be more due to publicity of a select few cases. The procedure to repair a torn Achilles hasn't changed much in the past decade, other than the sutures being stronger and smaller. The main reason for an improved result is the improved postoperative rehab techniques and approach available today. Despite this, the return of pre-injury performance still remains guarded (perfect example, Wilfork.....made it back......but with definite postinjury performance limitations) , with the only major change regarding statistics appearing to be that now the numbers of NFL Achilles tendon rupture are rivaling those of ACL ruptures.
Texian
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Thanks!
NastyNate
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Wait a minute.........you may have just described at least 1/2 of the NFL player population when it comes to trying to gain "the edge" to look better, perform better, heal better or "feel" better.
Clen is a known substance within the athletic community, it really has one place, as a high powered thermogenic to help shed fat. I can see your point but it's a fairly known substance within any athletic community.
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You're absolutely correct. And that's the only significant effect that has been proven. My statement of "to look better, perform better, heal better or "feel" better" was as a general statement of what many NFL players are willing to take in order to gain "the edge".........not specifically what Clenbuturol could in fact do for them.
The Pencil Neck
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The NFL's got it on "the list" just because they figure anything a bodybuilder would use should be verboten.
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A few animal studies have shown what was mistakenly taken for "anabolic" properties of Clenbuterol, increasing skeletal muscles, when what was happening was the decrease of muscle breakdown. Even so, this effect interpreted as increasing muscle mass never showed any corresponding power output. Evidence from these same studies have consistently shown a decrease in physical performance due to long term use of clenbuterol by up to 40%. No studies of this sort has been performed on humans, and the amounts used in these animal studies are much higher doses than a human could safely consume. Its cardiovascular adverse affects on humans are inarguable. Let's remember that Clenbuterol was first produced as a veterinary prescription drug for horses..............not as an anabolic, but as an anti-asthmatic, bronchodilator. There's a reason that only a handful of countries in the world have approved its use in humans.............and, even so, by prescription only.