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3rd round pick Braxton Miller WR Houston texans

Heath Shuler said:
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bah007 said:
Oh my...
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My wife had been watching the draft with me the last four or five years. When they would show the highlights after our pick I normally have to tell her, "No, not that flashy dynamic guy scoring the TD... the big fat dude over here getting run over." Or something like that.

This time, it was nice to say, "No, we got the fast guy with the ball in his hand."
 
LikeMike said:
People always have a tendency to ink draft picks in as starters - when the Reality is that most 3d rounders won't start their rookie Season. I don't think the Plan is for Braxton to be our 3d Receiver this year. I think the Plan is for him to be in on every ST play (including full returner Duties), get a couple of Chances at the wildcat and get a couple of snaps in the Slot. And that's all he Need to do to be a solid pick.

Remember he has only been a WR for 1 season And he doesn't have the Route tree down yet. I fully expect our usual WR set to be Hopkins And Fuller on the outside And Strong in as the Slot. That doesn't mean that this could change in the Future.

I am Not in Love with the pick since I would have preffered someone on the DLine, But it is a Real exciting pick. We sure got some exciting new toys on the Team. And Braxton is a guy, that will always Need the attention from the other team because of his skillset.
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You're right. He'll be groomed to be the heir apparent to Shorts in a year or two.
 
thunderkyss said:
Looks like a solid 4.48ish
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I don't care about time really. Dude plays fast and is freaking explosive. I haven't watched any football besides NFL in a few years due to turning off the cable at the house. That's the first time I'm seeing that play. I was wondering why there was so much excitement about Miller. Now I know. Hope it translates to productivity on the field for the Texans
 
http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016bmiller.php

Strengths:
  • First-step quickness
  • Explosive
  • Gains separation
  • Extremely elusive
  • Sudden
  • Fast in and out of breaks
  • Potential to be a great route-runner
  • Run-after-the-catch skills
  • Excellent balance
  • Tremendous vision
  • Quick feet
  • Attacks the football
  • Dangerous runner
  • Gritty player; plays with an attitude
  • Good build for receiver
  • Can break off long plays
  • Quick to the second level
  • Has the strength to out-fight defensive backs
  • Decent hands considering inexperience
  • Capable of creating for himself
  • Big-play threat
  • Experienced and successful against good college programs
  • Makes big plays in the clutch
  • Just a natural football player
  • Special teams return threat
  • Ready to contribute immediately

Read more at http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016bmiller.php#DJDJjRYmrSTDmCO5.99
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Weaknesses:
  • Raw as a receiver
  • Needs development in all areas: route-running, hands, blocking, etc
  • Inexperienced at receiver
  • Small sample size to evaluate
  • Durability

Read more at http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016bmiller.php#DJDJjRYmrSTDmCO5.99
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Summary: It is rare for running option quarterbacks to make a successful transition to wide receiver or another position in the NFL, whether it is Pat White, Terrelle Pryor or Tim Tebow. There have been many great college quarterbacks who couldn't make a successful transition to signal-caller or another position in the NFL. However unlike those players, Miller enters the 2016 NFL Draft having already flashed serious play-making skills at his new position to get evaluators excited about his pro potential.

From 2011-2013, Miller was an option quarterback for Ohio State. While he produced well as a runner and thrower, his passing skills indicated he clearly wasn't a future NFL quarterback. In 2014, Miller was out for the season with a shoulder injury while Ohio State won the National Championship with J.T. Barrett and Cardale Jones playing quarterback.

Miller decided to return for his senior year and move to wide receiver. It was a superb decision for his NFL future. Even though the Ohio State offense was inconsistent, Miller flashed play-making potential, totaling 26 catches for 341 yards and three touchdowns in 2015. As a runner, the former quarterback picked up 234 yards on 40 carries and a score.

Miller made up for the lack of opportunities by going to Mobile, Alabama and dominating the Senior Bowl. He put on a show as he outplayed defensive backs all week and illustrated his dangerous play-making ability for the NFL. Miller used his explosive first-step and acceleration to constantly gain separation from defensive backs. They just couldn't run with him. He also showed nice hands in practice and adjusted well to the ball. Miller used his size to outfight defenders on 50-50 balls. He also showed talent to return kicks and punts. One thing that came across was that Miller plays with a real grittiness and an attitude that he wants it more than the opposition.

For the NFL, Miller could be a big-time play-maker. He has the explosive speed to separate from defensive backs, plus is very sudden and fast out of his breaks. That allows him to get open for his quarterback consistently. Once Miller has the ball, defenses are in trouble as he is very elusive as a runner and can make plays in all levels of the defense. He will run around, juke and zig-zag his way through defenders. Miller has ton of natural athleticism to make some highlight-reel plays.

Miller is a natural football player, but he will need development in all phases of being a receiver given his lack of experience. With good coaching, he should grow as a route-runner and blocker, plus become more consistent with his hands. A creative coach could get a lot out of Miller as a receiver, runner and returner.

For the NFL, Miller could be an excellent slot receiver to challenge nickel corners with his combination of size and speed. He also has the size to line up on the outside. With his running and returning ability, Miller could be a difference-maker for an offense.

In the 2016 NFL Draft, Miller could be a second-round pick. However, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that the hype machine could push him into the first round.
Read more at http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016bmiller.php#DJDJjRYmrSTDmCO5.99
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He's a playmaker. We've got plenty of room for playmakers on this team. We just got our shifty quick swiss army knife and a coaching staff that has shown to be creative getting the most out of the talent they have available.

Now they've got a lot more talent and SPEED available.

Really excited to see all the creative ways they get Miller involved on this TEAM. He will contribute everywhere.
 
Which 3rd round DL will be able to impact the game like Miller can in as many phases of the game?

I'd take Antwaan Randle-El over Jared Crick. But different strokes for different folks.

Which 3rd round DL will be able to beat out Covington for playing time this season? It's obvious the coaches liked what they saw from Covington the 2nd half of the year and think he can build upon it.
 
thunderkyss said:
Like Texian said, gotta be able to see the future.
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I suppose. I'm not sure how big a window you can expect to have with the current nucleus. I'd prefer a player in a regular rotation vs the project and that's beside the fact that you had just picked a wideout. I would have been happy if Miller was selected here, but the 1st pick used on something else. There's only one ball to go around well see how many plays are called for him.
 
I know we're all saying that he's going to return punts/kicks, and you can correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't do that at Ohio State. Do we think that he's going to suddenly become an elite returner ex nihilo? Maybe he returned kicks in HS, but this is the NFL. There might be an adjustment period for him before he is really ready. I hope I'm wrong..
 
9baller said:
I know we're all saying that he's going to return punts/kicks, and you can correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't do that at Ohio State. Do we think that he's going to suddenly become an elite returner ex nihilo? Maybe he returned kicks in HS, but this is the NFL. There might be an adjustment period for him before he is really ready. I hope I'm wrong..
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No I wouldn't expect him to be an instant contributor in the return game. In fact, I wouldn't expect him to a regular contributor here for 2 years. He's a dynamite playmaker though and if they can mold him he will be dangerous.
 
I think the combined picks of Miller and Ervin are a little odd. I think both of them are NFL talents and project to be solid special teamers but buried on the depth chart at their positions.... do you really need both? I think Ervin is a better special teamer *now* but Miller may have more upside. And if nothing else, Miller can be an emergency QB.
 
ziggy29 said:
I think the combined picks of Miller and Ervin are a little odd. I think both of them are NFL talents and project to be solid special teamers but buried on the depth chart at their positions.... do you really need both? I think Ervin is a better special teamer *now* but Miller may have more upside. And if nothing else, Miller can be an emergency QB.
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The draft is a crap shoot. Guys like Miller & Ervin hedge our bets at the very least.

Maybe the injury bug bites early, maybe the play book is a bit daunting for some, maybe who knows.

Remember how "lucky" we were when the Texans didn't feel Brooks was ready to play that Ben Jones stepped up & anchored that spot until he was.

This draft is a concerted more speed on offense or bust draft. There would have to be some kind of act of God befell on Houston for our offense not to get faster.

All our eggs are not in any one basket.
 
Did any one else hear in the video of when he was drafted? He said," Right where I wanted to go."

Our offense is going to be exciting to watch for a change.
 
Is it just me or did this dude look **** up in his little interview after he was drafted.....eyes were all glassy and ****.
 
chenjy9 said:
Definitely does seem like BoB's not so subtle way of telling us fans that rather than try and fix the TE position, he will just abandon the position altogether beyond the occasional blocking TE.

Fans: We need better TE's!
BoB: Screw TE's!
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I see it more as:

Fans: We need better TEs!
OB: Don't tell me what we ******* need, you ******* ****s. I'll tell you what we ******* need.
 
Or

OB: Man our TE's suck, *looks at draft prospects*, Man those TE's suck too. Eff it lets just go spread the whole season.


On that note, does Lamar Miller run better out of a spread?
 
Brandon420tx said:
Or

OB: Man our TE's suck, *looks at draft prospects*, Man those TE's suck too. Eff it lets just go spread the whole season.


On that note, does Lamar Miller run better out of a spread?
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IIRC, most his career carries are in the gun/spread and its what he prefers running in. Miami forced him into between the tackles and he became a better overall runner due to it, but works better out of the spread?

Then again, its all just stuff i read on the internet.. :kubepalm:
 
That Walter's football report reads like it was written by his uncle or something. Positively gushing! I like the Hines Ward comparison much better than the Ted Ginn one.
 
I pulled up another converted college QB turned NFL wide receiver's measurables for a comparison.

Julian Edelman Kent State 7th round pick (could only find pro day numbers. So take with a grain of salt when comparing Miller's combine numbers)

5'10 195

4.52 40

36.5" vertical

10'3" broad jump

3.92 20 yard shuttle

6.62 3 cone

Braxton Miller Ohio State 3rd round pick

6'1 201

4.50 40 (ran 4.42 at pro day)

35" vertical

10'3" broad jump

4.07 20 yard shuttle

6.65 3 cone


I'd be very happy if Braxton Miller can convert his similar physical gifts to identical production on the field with Julian Edelman!
 
TheRealJoker said:
I pulled up another converted college QB turned NFL wide receiver's measurables for a comparison.

Julian Edelman Kent State 7th round pick (could only find pro day numbers. So take with a grain of salt when comparing Miller's combine numbers)

5'10 195

4.52 40

36.5" vertical

10'3" broad jump

3.92 20 yard shuttle

6.62 3 cone

Braxton Miller Ohio State 3rd round pick

6'1 201

4.50 40 (ran 4.42 at pro day)

35" vertical

10'3" broad jump

4.07 20 yard shuttle

6.65 3 cone


I'd be very happy if Braxton Miller can convert his similar physical gifts to identical production on the field with Julian Edelman!
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Are you sure about that or are you just going off of name recognition? Julian Edelman

I would be sorely disappointed.
 
Don't know if he will be as good as Edelman as a slot receiver, (that would be amazing) but he does have the edge as a superior passer and has the capability to be a runner between the tackles.

We've all seen O'Brien cook up some creative plays these past couple years to mask a talent deficiency, but now he has a piece where if used properly teams will always have to fear a trick play when he comes onto the field. That intimidation factor alone would be very valuable.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
Watt at tight end, Grimes in the Wildcat, and Shorts with the TD pass to name a few. Also experimented (and failed) with B.J. Daniels.
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Well you have to understand his dislike of all things BOB and his love of all things McNair/Smith and especially Kubiak.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
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Almost a TD per game? About 6 receptions per game? 11.3 yards per reception?
If we get that from Miller that would be pretty good.

I'd sign up for that now bro.
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He's played in 16 games one time. I'm looking at career numbers, not just last season. 21 TD's in 87 career games. with 46 starts in seven seasons just doesn't ooh and aah me. And it's not even a TD every other game.
 
DocBar said:
He's played in 16 games one time. I'm looking at career numbers, not just last season. 21 TD's in 87 career games. with 46 starts in seven seasons just doesn't ooh and aah me. And it's not even a TD every other game.
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I hear what you're saying but I'll disagree.

I'd take Miller turning into an Edleman type of player.

I don't understand looking at career vs the type of player he is for them now especially since they still had welker when they got him. He wasn't always as big of a part of the offense.
 
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