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Will Fuller WR Notre Dame- 1st round 2016

finally we have to Young WR's we have never had that even in the capers era it was ANdre and ..?????? and then Andre and Walter but now we finally have the two headed monster hopefully on the outside
 
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't he have a similar drop rate to both Treadwell and Doctson? What I am most excited to see is if his speed carries over to the field. I can definitely envision this kid breaking away from DB's to give Os some clean easy long throws for TD's. This is really going to stretch the field. Now to bring AJ back to mentor him and Strong.

Thorn said:
Did we just take a hit on this site? Or was that just me?
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It has been sluggish for me too.
 
Number19 said:
Yah, small hands. Hope the jug machine workouts helps with this. But count me as one of those who prefers a receiver with decent hand size. Still, I'm on board with this pick,
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When no one is near him due to him flat out burning defenders, hand size matters a lot less IMO. It's when you are catching in tight windows or fighting off defenders where I feel that strong, big hands become super important. With Fuller, I rather him not be thrown to in those situations. We should be going to D-Hop or God forbid, a TE.
 
Brandon420tx said:
I do think concerns about his hands are legitimate though. Yes he was a monstrous performer at ND, but his speed kept him from being in contested situations alot. Which is the reason we wanted him no doubt. However he's very much a "basket catcher" meaning he uses his forearms and/or stomach to catch most of his passes.
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Not exactly. He uses his body when he has to, just like all the other receivers. You're not going to catch every single pass thrown your way with your hands away from your body.
 
Norg said:
finally we have to Young WR's we have never had that even in the capers era it was ANdre and ..?????? and then Andre and Walter but now we finally have the two headed monster hopefully on the outside
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When AJ was a rookie Gaffney was in his 2nd year.

Mangler said:
Not exactly. He uses his body when he has to, just like all the other receivers. You're not going to catch every single pass thrown your way with your hands away from your body.
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By some twist of fate more balls come to him that he "has to" catch with his body than other WRs? When folks say that it's because he's doing it more not that others don't do it at all.
 
chenjy9 said:
When no one is near him due to him flat out burning defenders, hand size matters a lot less IMO. It's when you are catching in tight windows or fighting off defenders where I feel that strong, big hands become super important. With Fuller, I rather him not be thrown to in those situations. We should be going to D-Hop or God forbid, a TE.
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Good point.
 
Texian said:
BWAH HAHAHAHA Texans got them a Track Star with ITTY BITTY, TEENIE WEENIE, ITSY BITSY, TINY WHINY 8" hands. If you liked Jacoby Jones you're going to love Will Fuller.

Typical Texans PANIC trade up for Fuller when Treadwell and Doctson are still on the board.
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Have you ever thought that this was their guy? Maybe Treadwell nor Docston was on their board as 1st rd picks. I'm sure your board trumps their board though.
 
Thorn said:
Seriously?

Wow. Never seen a crowd as quiet as this one.
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Pretty much normal when it is a dude that is not the board's 'guy.' The offense has seriously increased its raw speed and big play ability when the moves are taken as a whole versus them apart. The Texans are attempting to move away from the methodical, must execute every play stuff of the past few years. sure, there is plenty of questions of the how and who, but I at least see them as trying to change the nature of the offense. whether it works is what they play football games to find out.
 
Thorn said:
Seriously?

Wow. Never seen a crowd as quiet as this one.
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Pretty much normal when it is a dude that is not the board's 'guy.' The offense has seriously increased its raw speed and big play ability when the moves are taken as a whole versus them apart. The Texans are attempting to move away from the methodical, must execute every play stuff of the past few years. sure, there is plenty of questions of the how and who, but I at least see them as trying to change the nature of the offense. whether it works is what they play football games to find out.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Pretty much normal when it is a dude that is not the board's 'guy.' The offense has seriously increased its raw speed and big play ability when the moves are taken as a whole versus them apart. The Texans are attempting to move away from the methodical, must execute every play stuff of the past few years. sure, there is plenty of questions of the how and who, but I at least see them as trying to change the nature of the offense. whether it works is what they play football games to find out.
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My take is that there were other guys at the position that I liked more, but I like Fuller too. Just not as much. But hell, there may very well be several receivers that weren't even taken tonight that will be better than both Doctson and Treadwell.
 
I'm not too worried. Worst case scenario is a Corey Bradford type player. I think he has the potential to be a Laveraneus Coles (the early years) caliber player.
 
Texian said:
BWAH HAHAHAHA Texans got them a Track Star with ITTY BITTY, TEENIE WEENIE, ITSY BITSY, TINY WHINY 8" hands. If you liked Jacoby Jones you're going to love Will Fuller.

Typical Texans PANIC trade up for Fuller when Treadwell and Doctson are still on the board.
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Have you ever thought that this was their guy? Maybe Treadwell nor Docston was on their board as 1st rd picks. I'm sure your board trumps their board though.
 
Dont stunt wf's growth by trying to teach him 19 positions at the same time.

Sincerely,
Xavier

Ps: Finally some speed and a qb with the arm to get it there- thank you.
 
I remember this dude we used to have that they called "Fumbling Foster," but he seemed to have gotten away from that moniker pretty quick.

Shhhhhhh....break it down.

PRN ~ 1958-2016
 
Texian said:
BWAH HAHAHAHA Texans got them a Track Star with ITTY BITTY, TEENIE WEENIE, ITSY BITSY, TINY WHINY 8" hands. If you liked Jacoby Jones you're going to love Will Fuller.

Typical Texans PANIC trade up for Fuller when Treadwell and Doctson are still on the board.
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We already have 2 WR's on this team in the mold of treadwell and doctson.
 
Marcus said:
So, who was the 'boards "guy"'? Docston? Because he's a local TCU guy, and Fuller came from that college that Texas loves to hate?

Just curious.
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Doctson was the WR most of the posters preferred in the 1st. But, Fuller went to the Texans in the 2nd in the group mock. Basically, Doctson was considered the more complete WR to the vertical threat/big play Fuller.
 
Lucky said:
That's a pretty bad scenario for a 1st round pick.
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I'm not sure you understand the concept of a player's floor. Obviously getting the minimum expected out of a player isn't ideal, but getting a functional #2 with game changing speed isn't the worst thing ever.

For comparison, Treadwell's floor is being unable to separate and being bounced from the NFL before his rookie deal is up.
 
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Goatcheese said:
I'm not sure you understand the concept of a player's floor. Obviously getting the minimum expected out of a player isn't ideal, but getting a functional #2 with game changing speed isn't the worst thing ever.
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I think I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that a WR that averaged 25 catches and 3 TDs a season (as Bradford did) would be considered a bust if drafted in the 1st round.
 
Marcus said:
So, who was the 'boards "guy"'? Docston? Because he's a local TCU guy, and Fuller came from that college that Texas loves to hate?

Just curious.
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the boards guy was actually Coleman, but since he was gone already I think everyone wanted doctson....primarily b/c the thought was he is the most polished and ready to contribute immediately.

I would've been fine with him as well, but I liked fuller more, b/c of his big play ability and overall higher potential.

Too much is being made of Fuller's drop percentage imo...folks like Texian pointing to hand size...which is crap. Ginn jr' large hands hasn't helped him with his catching and for that matter it didn't help Braylon edwards much Either. The only reason fuller is compared to ginn jr. is b/c of their frames and speed....nothing more.

But If you go back and Look at their respective college careers. you'll see ginn jr. At OSU Never came close to the production fuller had and truthfully was really still trying to learn how to be a wr when he came out.

Fuller is already polished as a wr well beyond what Ginn jr. ever was. That's not to say that he doesn't need to improve, just that he'll likely be more productive immediately than Ginn jr.
 
If we didn't have Hopkins then Doctson would have been the better pick as the more complete, WR. Doctson would have been have been a great pick too, but we got what we really needed was a downfield threat. There's pretty good separation threat difference between a 4.32 and a 4.50 WR. Put him with a QB who can get him some uncontested receptions and maybe his drops go down. Nothing against Doctson, he's the best overall WR, but he's not blowing by anybody down the sideline. It's a risk we needed to take IMHO.
 
Marcus said:
So, who was the 'boards "guy"'? Docston? Because he's a local TCU guy, and Fuller came from that college that Texas loves to hate?

Just curious.
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Has nothing to do with TCU and when did Texans start hating ND?

Anyway, it's that Doctson is a complete WR - does all those receiver things like run routes, catch the ball, catch in traffic, go up for contested balls.

Mr teX said:
the boards guy was actually Coleman...
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Says who/what?
 
The Texans will regret not taking Doctson, he's a better more complete receiver, and last time I checked it's a football game not a track meet.

Hopefully Fuller proves me wrong.
 
Don't hate the player but do hate the pick since you had Doctson and Treadwell both sitting there (who I think are both superior players). Will be interesting to see how all 3 of their careers play out.
 
infantrycak said:
Has nothing to do with TCU and when did Texans start hating ND?

Anyway, it's that Doctson is a complete WR - does all those receiver things like run routes, catch the ball, catch in traffic, go up for contested balls.
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We already have a better version of that player: D. Hopkins... and another project with the same skill set: J. Strong. I preferred Treadwell, personally, but I get the pick. I am relieved they avoided Coleman and Doctson. I wanted nothing to do with 1st round receivers who don't know how to run pass routes.
 
Wolf6151 said:
The Texans will regret not taking Doctson, he's a better more complete receiver, and last time I checked it's a football game not a track meet.

Hopefully Fuller proves me wrong.
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Fuller isn't some track athlete with a helmet. His 4.3 speed translates on the field. He is aleady a good route runner, who explodes in and out of breaks, and is a dynamic playmaker after the catch. He also has had two very productive years in a pro style offense.
 
infantrycak said:
When AJ was a rookie Gaffney was in his 2nd year.



By some twist of fate more balls come to him that he "has to" catch with his body than other WRs? When folks say that it's because he's doing it more not that others don't do it at all.
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ok thanxs who was our starting #2 WR from 04-05 im pretty sure Andre was like the guy his 2nd year
 
Reminds me of how the Texans picked Hopkins over Patterson. I was wrong then and this time I trust in our FO knowing we may could have drafted Sterling Shepard in the 2nd. They wanted speed and speed it is.

Go Texans!!!
 
Going to be honest, not the pick I thought I would see when I woke up this morning, but as long as the rest of the draft goes OL/DL along with an ILB/S then I will be happy. WR2 was a need. Takes the top off the defense. Might give Nuk and Strong - and dare I say a TE - some space to make plays. Does anyone else remember what a TE going open up the seam looks like? It's like a Sasquatch sighting in this offense.
 
Of all the players that were in the discussion for our pick, he is probably the one I was least excited about. I don't think WR is our biggest weakness, but After the C Kelly was gone I am Fine with picking one. I don't watch any college Football, so I don't know what I am talking about - but I am Not a Big Fan of those Speed WRs - it seems like every year teams overvalue speed And think, they can teach the rest, And usually that doesn't work out Great. And with Fuller it seems like he is lacking in Most other aspects (catching, jumping - People seem to be split on his route running).

That being Said, I do like to have a new toy to watch. A C would have Helped the Team, but wouldn't be something you enjoy to concentrate on. Fuller will Open up the field for our other WRs And TEs - he will generate Big plays, And probably catch some Long TDs. With him And Miller we have added legit homerun potential.

I still would have preferred Doctson. He wouldn't have opened up the Field als much or generate those Big plays - but he would have Helped us more in the redzone and to move the chains. And personally I value that more.

Still excited to actually See him on the field... Him And Os with all his arm strength could be a Great combo.
 
Glad position was addressed, but you had guys with equal playmaking abilities PLUS size advantages in Treadwell and Doctson. I don't hate pick, just love size in the red zone.
 
After sleeping on it I have to say that I'm excited about the pick. I liked Doctson more as a prospect but picking Fuller shows OB has a defined plan for what he wants on offense and that's a legit deep threat to open up his scheme and make it easier to feed Hopkins.

Imo Doctson is the better overall WR but Fuller's deep threat dimension does more to help Hopkins and help the TEAM than to have another guy with Hopkins and Jaelen Strong's skill set.

This offense is going to look a lot different next season with the home run hitters we've added in Lamar Miller/Will Fuller.

No more having to run gadget wildcat plays to try to create a spark on offense!!!
 
My beef with Doctson was system related. I've watched the Air Raid for years.
Meacham (Doctson's OC) was at UH for two years before his two at TCU.

The one thing I've noticed about that system is that the receivers learn very
basic route trees that do not translate well to the NFL. Sometimes it takes
years for the receiver to adjust and learn -- and sometimes it never happens.

It's the same as with Air Raid QB's

Treadwell's injuries scared me off of him. We've had too much history signing
first round guys that don't contribute because of injury.

Fuller may catch the ball in his "bread basket". But so did a lot of receivers in
the 1970's.

I think just throwing bubble screens to the guy or even running sweeps/shovels with
him will change the dynamic of the offense considerably. And those completions
are very high percentage..
 
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