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Rams trade to #1 overall

Texian said:
In this case I beat you to it. (I'm not afraid to admit I made a mistake or got it wrong, it will happen again) And I thoroughly expect you to conveniently forget how I also dropped Coker to a late RD draft pick.
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nah I didnt forget, and its the NFL draft everyone makes mistakes on it.
 
Lucky said:
That's possible. But if Goff/Wentz go 1-2 in some order, as I think they will, Lynch could see his value rise. The Niners and Eagles could take a real hard look at Lynch, now.
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What about this, the Browns are driven by analytic people right? So they see value in multiple assets not just one player. So say a team like the 49ers or eagles still have their guy on the board after the rams take theirs. The browns could easily trade back with one of them gather picks, and take Lynch to ride the pine while RG3 takes all the lumps while Lynch learns.
 
Shishkabob said:
What about this, the Browns are driven by analytic people right? So they see value in multiple assets not just one player. So say a team like the 49ers or eagles still have their guy on the board after the rams take theirs. The browns could easily trade back with one of them gather picks, and take Lynch to ride the pine while RG3 takes all the lumps while Lynch learns.
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True... if they can find someone willing to give up the extra picks they want.

I don't know what San Francisco is doing. $60M of cap space & nary a peep. They may not be willing to give up any picks at all. Probably hoping to trade down themselves.
 
On the surface, the Rams-Titans trade is pretty simple. But there’s a condition that applies in 2017, which makes things a little complicated.

The third-round pick that the Rams will send to the Titans has a condition, according to multiple league sources. If the Rams get a compensatory pick in the third round of the 2017 draft, the third-round pick sent to Tennessee will be the compensatory selection, not the standard third-round pick assigned to St. Louis.

If the Rams don’t get a third-round compensatory pick, the Titans get the Rams’ regular third-round pick, and a seventh-round pick will be shipped from the Titans back to L.A.
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With the Rams now holding the first overall pick in the draft and planning to spend the next two weeks deciding between quarterbacks Jared Goff andCarson Wentz, there’s one thing the Rams won’t have to worry about between now and April 28: Getting bombarded with calls, emails, and texts from Goff’s and Wentz’s agents lobbying for their guy to be the guy.

That’s because Goff and Wentz are represented by the same agents: Ryan Tollner, Bruce Tollner, and Chase Callahan.
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In this circumstance they should recuse themselves from representing one of them.
 
Fun draft trivia since I loved Too Tall (although watching him box was not pleasant):

By moving up to the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Rams almost certainly put themselves in a position to grab a quarterback with the top selection in the draft.

It remains uncertain whether Cal quarterback Jared Goff or North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz is the passer the Rams covet the most at this point.

But if Wentz is selected with the first pick of the draft, he’d become the first player from a non-FBS school to be taken with the first pick in the draft in over 40 years. In 81 years of the NFL Draft, Wentz would become just the fifth No. 1 overall pick to be selected from a non-Division I school.

The last such player to come from the FCS level, or lower, was in 1974 when the Dallas Cowboys selected defensive end Ed “Too Tall” Jones out of Tennessee State.
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infantrycak said:
Fun draft trivia since I loved Too Tall (although watching him box was not pleasant):



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More draft trivia: The Oilers traded the 1st overall pick and their 3rd round pick to the Cowboys in 1974 for Toby Smith (Bubba's brother ) and Billy Parks (huh?). Dallas took Too Tall and Danny White. Ouch.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Perhaps that is why he did not find similar success after the salary cap was instituted. As you most likely know he did not create the concept, but refined it.

As I have stated, it is antiquated. With that said, teams may have revised their own chart, which is more interesting. As General Patton stated, "if everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."

For fan dialogue, it is fun to use and do not deny it.
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A major reason Johnson didn't succeed was that Johnson and Marino butted heads. Johnson wanted the Dolphins to be a run 1st team and Marino wanted them to be a pass 1st team like they had been under Shula.
 
steelbtexan said:
A major reason Johnson didn't succeed was that Johnson and Marino butted heads. Johnson wanted the Dolphins to be a run 1st team and Marino wanted them to be a pass 1st team like they had been under Shula.
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Marino was a hero in decline. But they did make the playoffs 3 years in a row (now losing seasons under JJ) including one Marino led the league in passing attempts and completions (and only had a few less the next year).

Really an unreasonable expectations problem across the board.
 
infantrycak said:
Marino was a hero in decline. But they did make the playoffs 3 years in a row (now losing seasons under JJ) including one Marino led the league in passing attempts and completions (and only had a few less the next year).

Really an unreasonable expectations problem across the board.
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That means Marino won that battle. Which was a big part of the problems.
 
I am hoping this encourages a team to trade up to get Texans #22 (as posted earlier in this thread). Several players we could target later in round one. Even if Bengals take WR, one of the top guys could fall to us + Shepherd in second round would be great if one did not. I still like possibilities if we remain where we are. I am more into this draft than last two.
 
badboy said:
I am hoping this encourages a team to trade up to get Texans #22 (as posted earlier in this thread). Several players we could target later in round one. Even if Bengals take WR, one of the top guys could fall to us + Shepherd in second round would be great if one did not. I still like possibilities if we remain where we are. I am more into this draft than last two.
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Shocker, badboy wants to trade down.

If only we had a decent GM we'd have 300 6th and 7th round picks.
 
infantrycak said:
Shocker, badboy wants to trade down.

If only we had a decent GM we'd have 300 6th and 7th round picks.
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And as usual you overstate my position, at least you are consistent if incorrect. Texans trading down from #22 to later in first round or even top 5 of second to pick up additional picks is definitely not 6 & 7th round selections. I just read another thread on a mock and you said you did not know why you should care. You historically do that despite several others saying don't read if you have nothing to say. State why you would not make trade or remain out of it. You are too intelligent to continue to post like the neighborhood brat who does not like what the others are doing but brings nothing but carping.
 
Lucky said:
It certainly shows how ridiculous the idea was that the Texans could move up to take a QB. I think everyone, everyone, can now agree that signing Osweiler was the correct move for the Texans.
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Was it the right move? Is signing a backup QB that couldn't beat out an old washed up Manning enough? Is osweiler a better option than the 3rd rated QB in this draft?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this move isn't any better than taking the 4th or 5th best QB prospect in the draft. If Lynch is available at 22 we should take him. If osweiler turns out a bust at least we have so good insurance on the roster and there will be less chance have to wait another year and go through a this again.
 
mussop said:
Was it the right move? Is signing a backup QB that couldn't beat out an old washed up Manning enough?
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I think that's disingenuous. Osweiler performed much better than Manning during the regular season and very likely woild have done as well, or better, in the playoffs. And get back to this after the draft, because I still think it's a long shot that Lynch makes it to the Texans pick.
 
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In exchange for the top pick, the Titans receive the Rams’ original first-round pick at 15th overall, two second-rounders (43rd and 45th overall) and a third-round selection (76th). The Titans will also get the Rams’ first- and third-round selections in next year’s draft.

Holy sh!t! Can you say DESPARATION? The Rams were at 15. Now, do some of have an idea what it would have cost to move up from 22?

The Rams are going to regret this more than Washington regrets RG3.
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The rams have a good team. The only real weakness has been QB play. It's totally different than the redskins situation where they sucked and adding a QB no matter how good wasn't going to fix everything.
 
Lucky said:
I think that's disingenuous. Osweiler performed much better than Manning during the regular season and very likely woild have done as well, or better, in the playoffs. And get back to this after the draft, because I still think it's a long shot that Lynch makes it to the Texans pick.
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The point is, is signing Osweiler enough? Was it a better option than picking any of the top 5 rated qbs In this draft? Does his signing mean we should not even consider drafting anot her young talented guy?
 
Lucky said:
I think that's disingenuous. Osweiler performed much better than Manning during the regular season and very likely woild have done as well, or better, in the playoffs. And get back to this after the draft, because I still think it's a long shot that Lynch makes it to the Texans pick.
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The point is, is signing Osweiler enough? Was it a better option than picking any of the top 5 rated qbs In this draft? Does his signing mean we should not even consider drafting anot her young talented guy?
 
mussop said:
The point is, is signing Osweiler enough? Was it a better option than picking any of the top 5 rated qbs In this draft? Does his signing mean we should not even consider drafting anot her young talented guy?
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I don't see the point in doubling down with another young QB when this team has other issues to address. Including solidifying the line that will protect that young QB.
 
mussop said:
The point is, is signing Osweiler enough? Was it a better option than picking any of the top 5 rated qbs In this draft? Does his signing mean we should not even consider drafting anot her young talented guy?
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osweiller is the highest percentage play to get immediate improved QB play that the Texans could control the outcome. they had the asset advantage over Denver (hold em references) once the flop was made and were forcing denver to go all-in and denver refused. Yes, seeing the whole board MIGHT have yield a better QB at much higher risk. We have already seen the turn card (trade) would not have helped Houston's hand and made chance greater that the river (actual draft) would have a relative low percentage hitting(lynch and cook could actually now go before the Texans draft) with other teams knowing what the Texans need. IMO, the Texans goal was to get improved QB play over the next handful of years, not get the best QB available out this off-season. Even with that while not probable the Texans still have a realistic (say 20-25%) chance of having the best QB anyway.
 
I didn't think much of Brock coming out of college. Didn't think much of him in the preseasons... I was impressed with the way he came in & played against KC off the bench & New England.

However I did not ever say, "Man I hope Rick goes get him."

I was set on the Texans taking Cook or Lynch. I still would prefer that the Texans would take Cook or Lynch.

However, the aquisition of Osweiler gives the Texans the freedom to add to the defensive side of the ball as well as the offensive side, which I think will work out better for us in the long run.

Now, imo, it isn't Osweiler vs Goff/Wentz. It's Osweiler, Miller, Allen plus our first round pick... or something like that.

I'd be really excited if we trade up in the 1st to get one of the few OT prospects that can play LT right away. Whether we put him there or not.
 
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ArlingtonTexan said:
osweiller is the highest percentage play to get immediate improved QB play that the Texans could control the outcome. they had the asset advantage over Denver (hold em references) once the flop was made and were forcing denver to go all-in and denver refused. Yes, seeing the whole board MIGHT have yield a better QB at much higher risk. We have already seen the turn card (trade) would not have helped Houston's hand and made chance greater that the river (actual draft) would have a relative low percentage hitting(lynch and cook could actually now go before the Texans draft) with other teams knowing what the Texans need. IMO, the Texans goal was to get improved QB play over the next handful of years, not get the best QB available out this off-season. Even with that while not probable the Texans still have a realistic (say 20-25%) chance of having the best QB anyway.
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Note to self: Don't play poker with ArlingtonTexan.
 
thunderkyss said:
I didn't think much of Brock coming out of college. Didn't think much of him in the preseasons... I was impressed with the way he came in & played against KC off the bench & New England.

However I did not ever say, "Man I hope Rick goes get him."

I was set on the Texans taking Cook or Lynch. I still would prefer that the Texans would take Cook or Lynch.

However, the aquisition of Osweiler gives the Texans the freedom to add to the defensive side of the ball as well as the offensive side, which I think will work out better for us in the long run.

Now, imo, it isn't Osweiler vs Goff/Wentz. It's Osweiler, Miller, Allen plus our first round pick... or something like that.

I'd be really excited if we trade up in the 1st to get one of the few OT prospects that can play LT right away. Whether we put him there or not.
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Well, you wouldn't include Allen and Miller when comparing those scenarios. They would be acquisitions regardless.
 
Posted by Zac Jackson on April 18, 2016, 8:06 PM EDT
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Titans left tackle Taylor Lewan’s injured shoulder did not require offseason surgery, Titans coach Mike Mularkey told reporters Monday, and the Titans are proceeding as if Lewan will be healthy for the 2016 season.

Lewan got a public vote of confidence from new Titans general manager Jon Robinson last week. More important than Robinson’s words, though, were his actions in trading out of the No. 1 pick. Robinson has said Lewan will remain as the team’s left tackle until he’s beaten out.
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This might drop a OT in round one.
 
mussop said:
The point is, is signing Osweiler enough? Was it a better option than picking any of the top 5 rated qbs In this draft? Does his signing mean we should not even consider drafting anot her young talented guy?
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You might as well get over that Mussop. I have. Initially, I felt that we should just to make sure we got a guy. They aren't going to do that though. They are sold on Brock, and we're stuck with him for at least two years unless he is awful next year. I don't think he'll be awful personally, but I'd rather him be awful than to be a guy that is pretty good, then mediocre, then pretty good, then awful, and always being a guy that you feel will turn some corner that never does. To me, those are the worst QB's even though they don't make your team look bad. The problem is that they set your team back several years making everyone think that their big jump is around the corner and for so many guys it never is.

We;re just going to have to wait and see how Brock does with his new team and hope that we give him a strong Oline to protect him. I think maybe our best investment in the first round is Oline if a good guy is available.
 
Texecutioner said:
We;re just going to have to wait and see how Brock does with his new team and hope that we give him a strong Oline to protect him. I think maybe our best investment in the first round is Oline if a good guy is available.
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I'd love it if they were to trade up & get one of the better tackles in the draft. I wanted to draft Greg Robinson a couple years back, just for this occasion. Duane's getting up there in age & chances of him suffering an injury such as he has wI'll continue to rise.

But... he's been relatively healthy since Greg Robinson's been in the league & we've been faring around with Derek Newton.

Still, I'd like to draft one of the better tackles. Duane could take his time coming back. We can replace Newton.

Then again, going through our Mock drafts, looks like there will be several guys we could take later in the draft who can replace Newton right away & possibly move to LT in the future.

But yeah, I'd love an OT & a Center, but the Texans may be sold on this Bergstrum fella as our new Center.
 
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