Fisher would have run Eddie George up the middle for the two pt conversion.
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either that or faked it to George and let McNair bootleg it in.
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Rams trade to #1 overall
- Thread starter thunderkyss
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either that or faked it to George and let McNair bootleg it in.
Fair enough.
paycheck71
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That was my attempt at being sarcastic. Obviously, trading up now is all but impossible, if it weren't before.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
So you guys think Tunsil isn't in play for one of the worst OLs in the NFL??
Texian
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Johnson disagrees with you, has stated that players still have similar values regardless of salary cap and that is why the NFL Value Chart is still used..
TD
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Dang.....that's a looooong time from 1st pick Thursday to middle round Saturday. Good thing its LA where they don't give a **** anyway.
TexansSeminole
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This trade actually may have some implications for us. Follow my logic here: Rams won't be targeting Lynch at 15 anymore which may have him slip to #22. Broncos may be interested in making a trade up to acquire Lynch in this range, and therefore may be interested in trading for 22.
Texian
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That's not going to happen but FYI there is only 270 point differential in Rams picking at #15 and the Texans picking at #22.
Kaiser Toro
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Perhaps that is why he did not find similar success after the salary cap was instituted. As you most likely know he did not create the concept, but refined it.
As I have stated, it is antiquated. With that said, teams may have revised their own chart, which is more interesting. As General Patton stated, "if everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
For fan dialogue, it is fun to use and do not deny it.
Say Watt
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Lol. Nice job Lucky. You beat me to it.
Posting this was the only reason I even opened this thread. Absolutely laughable to think we could give up anything less than a king's ransom to move up and get Goff or Wentz. And now, both will almost certainly be gone by the time the Chargers are on the clock.
Love that we're going to see the production of this trade play out on Hard Knocks.
Mr teX
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actually we'll see it for years in our division with the amount of picks the titans have to reshape their team now. Better hope they screw it up.
Aside from that this just reeks of a "splash" type move by the Rams to get more butts in seats & build up fan fervor for their move to LA. But what I will say is if the QB they select works out...& them landing Gurley last year..Austin coming along..they might be a problem next year in the NFC west. They pretty much already own Seattle right now.
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WolverineFan
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I see the Rams taking Wentz #1. Cleveland will then try to trade out of #2 because they are run by analytics guys and analytics guys always want to accumulate assets. If they can't trade out they will take Goff and I will weep for him as he is sent off to the graveyard for his career to die before it ever began.
Texian
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Darn near impossible for Johnson to duplicate success in Miami he had in Dallas. Having a QB in the twilight of his career vs HOF QB at the peak of his had more to do with level of success than the salary cap. And as Johnson has stated players still have similar value to day as they did when he introduced the chart.
Texian
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The worth of the trade will not be known for 4 or 5 years. It may very well turn out to be a relatively cheap trade for the Rams.
paycheck71
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We do?
PapaL
Loose Screw
I can see the analytics guys not taking a QB at that slot and building a team the right way by addressing the OL, DL, and other skill positions while RG3 takes all the hits. Not like they won't be picking high next year.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
He introduced his version of the chart. That chart, after the salary cap was instituted, he leveraged for four drafts - one future hall of famer (Taylor), perhaps a second (Thomas), and two solid pros. Other than that they were awful drafts with many picks in 96-97.
It's not like Cleveland hadn't tried that method at one time or another as well.
Last year, four of their first five picks (two #1s, a 2, two 3s) were DL or OL
2014 their first pick was a CB, their 3rd, a 2nd round pick was an OT
It's not necessarily their draft philosophy that's been killing them.
I dunno.... this is a pretty cool place to go in Cleveland
...but that's all I got
WolverineFan
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Also FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if Tennessee tries to trade back up for Ronnie Stanley.
Texian
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 10m10 minutes ago
Rams lean Jared Goff today, but one reason they made trade now was to get two weeks to debate top 2 QBs because "both are going to be good."
Rams lean Jared Goff today, but one reason they made trade now was to get two weeks to debate top 2 QBs because "both are going to be good."
Texian
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 5m5 minutes ago
How secret were #Rams in moving up to No. 1? They worked out Wentz and Goff in early March & made sure it didn't leak for more than a month
How secret were #Rams in moving up to No. 1? They worked out Wentz and Goff in early March & made sure it didn't leak for more than a month
TexansFTW
Veteran
The right way? Is that the way the RAMS just did for 4 years when they traded the RG3 pick and still haven't even hit the 0.500 mark to date since accumulating WAYYYY more?
This is using REAL numbers since we now know where the future picks landed:
Redskins Received #2 - 2012 (2600) vs. Rams received #6, 39 - 2012, #22 - 2013, #2 - 2014 (1600+510+780+2600 = 5490)
infantrycak
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That's not discounting the future picks - that's not correct.
TexansFTW
Veteran
No discounts needed when attempting to show the value of players and how it hasn't worked out to make them a power house "the right way".
ChampionTexan
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Yeah, and there's a 575 point difference between the three 2nd and 3rd round picks the Rams were able to trade, and the two picks the Texans have in those rounds this year. That's a cumulative 845 point difference which is more than the value of this years first round pick for the Texans.
In fact, if the Texans were to trade every pick they have in this draft, and the next two, they would fall around 325 points short of what the Titans got from the Rams, or a low 2nd round pick's difference (Don't know if Clowney's going to command that given the remaining injury concerns). This assumes that both the Rams and the Texans draft in the same position in both 2017 and 2018, and it also assumes one pick in each round for the Texans in 2017 and 2018 as opposed to the two 5th round picks they have this year.
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chicagotexan2
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Wow The Rams made them an offer they could not refuse. I am glad The Texans didn't mortgage the farm. I understand the Rams needing to make a splash to get instant buzz from an apathetic fan base but if he player doesn't pan out it will put them in a deep hole.
ChampionTexan
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Yeah, this one seems to make more sense to me:
Andrew Brandt @AndrewBrandt 21m21 minutes ago
Rams trade 5 picks in rounds 1-3 over next two years - 22 cheap contract years - to say they don't know who they're picking? Please.
I think they will take Goff and moved to #1 to make sure they got him. Reports are that Cleveland likes Goff better too
ChampionTexan
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Shishkabob
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WolverineFan
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Yea, as pointed out above, they know who they want. You don't make that trade and not know. This is all about the NFL wanting to keep it a secret until draft night.
While the Bucs probably wouldn't have traded the #1 pick, this would have made a lot more sense last year with Winston and Mariota on the board. I just don't see any of these QBs being #1 overall pick quality this draft.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I'm not going to rehash this again, we've already had a 100 pages of this discussion. But Clowney or Mercilus wouldi make up for one of the Rams 2nd rd and them some. We can continue this conversation in 2020 when we will actually have some concrete evidence to discuss. So until then take a BC Powder.
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Texian
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Apparently the Rams are 1000% sure.
xtruroyaltyx
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I'd take Goff. I love Wentz, but I think Goff is on another level.
I don't either, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and bringing in the local hero to lead the new team has a certain flare. They can play up the Goff can be another Rodgers theme
I think there are definitely #1 overall "worthy" QBs in this draft, but for whatever reason those guys aren't even in the conversation. Still... Wentz isn't too different from McNair who was taken #3 overall & Goff isn't too different from Carr/Harrington.
All it takes if for one person to fall in lover.
Shishkabob
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Well everyone this is a draft day first a random fan who goes by the online handle thunderkyss ran up with a card saying Connor Cook!!! over and over again on it, turned it in then promptly ran to the green room and kidnapped Cook laughing and shouting "hahaha I got my QB of the future" Police not sure if they should arrest this man or let him and Cook fade off into the sunset to live happily ever after.
Don't let tk fool ya. AJ McCarron is still his true love.
*Disclaimer* - thunderkyss is not pictured to the left of McCarron.
Shishkabob
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ha I can now hold this over your head along with the absurd notion that Coker would be a 1st round QB. lol jk man got to bust your balls every now and again
Texian
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In this case I beat you to it. (I'm not afraid to admit I made a mistake or got it wrong, it will happen again) And I thoroughly expect you to conveniently forget how I also dropped Coker to a late RD draft pick.
That's possible. But if Goff/Wentz go 1-2 in some order, as I think they will, Lynch could see his value rise. The Niners and Eagles could take a real hard look at Lynch, now.