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Texian
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Let's see what defeat brings.
Probably more afraid that Wentz will be going to the factory of sadness & not reaching his full potential. People will say, "it's not the coach." Or whatever, we'll know Wentz will look like a dud because it's the Browns, bit we'll still take it out on Texian. "Hey, look at your boy, leading the league in sacks & Ints."
We're more likely to trade Mercilus than Clowney. Wilfork even. Just from a money perspective & I would think the receiving team would want the more productive player.
Texian
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What I'm really afraid of is McNair's rush to judgement and selective interference has once again led the Texans down the path of Mediocrity and Average & Ordinary.
All McNair said was go get a QB, same as you. He didn't tell them which one to get, that's on O'b
Why would Dallas do that? Only 1 added pick plus a more oft injured than not Clowney to move down 18 spots? Makes no sense nor is it feasible... Clowney still has a #1 overall contract.
Texian
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Do you not see the fallacy there? Are you aware of how poorly OB has been with his QB evaluations. This is like telling Gary Kubiak to go out and find a DC. McNair has demonstrated the ability to hire Head Coaches with poor judgement.
ChampionTexan
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Well, you've already said you expect someone to trade for Tennessee's first overall pick to draft Wentz, and it's a pretty good bet that the Browns will take Goff if that happens, and even if it doesn't, with all the teams in the NFL who are smarter and better than the Texans at football, surely someone who's drafting ahead of the Texans will offer more than the Texans could (Because they have higher picks ya know) for the chance to draft him.
So with all that, how does one of those two guys possibly slip to #3, much less #6?
Texian
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I said if I were Dallas I would trade up with Tenn. Let's just see what happens.
ChampionTexan
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Are you really the guy to point out fallacies? Here's a "What if...?" based upon your "logic".
McNair hires head coaches with poor judgement
McNair hires O'Brien
O'Brien chooses (fill in the blank) as QB
(Fill in the blank) is a bad QB
What if...O'Brien had traded up for Wentz? McNair only hires head coaches with poor judgement. And O'Brien was hired by McNair. Therefore, trading up for Wentz would have been poor judgement.
Say Watt
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Texian,
Sincere question. Have you ever been wrong about a prospect? I'm sure I could rummage through your post history and find plenty of examples, but it's usually experiences that involve falling in love with a prospect that totally bombs that takes away some of your arrogance about talent evaluation.
For me, it was Reggie Bush. I was sold the dude was going to be a star. I used to spend hours getting through the first season in Madden just so I could draft Reggie Bush with the #1 pick. He'd proceed to rack up multiple years of 2,000 rush yards for me, all the while still returning punts and dominating there as well. When the Texans drafted Mario, I was infuriated. I couldn't believe it. But a couple years later, I realized I was dead wrong. Reggie turned into a good punt returner and an injury prone halfway decent running back. He was nowhere near the star I predicted.
Johnny was a little different, given that most of my infatuation with that guy had to do with me being an Aggie. I fell for the same BS that big time Longhorns fans did with VY. But reality is I'm no professional scout and even if I was, I wouldn't even be a good one.
The sooner you come to realize that fact, Texian, the better off you will be. Getting so attached to these prospects like they are the next John Elway and Dan Marino just does nothing but breed frustration with an organization where even their worst scout on his worst day is better than you and I on our best days.
Sincere question. Have you ever been wrong about a prospect? I'm sure I could rummage through your post history and find plenty of examples, but it's usually experiences that involve falling in love with a prospect that totally bombs that takes away some of your arrogance about talent evaluation.
For me, it was Reggie Bush. I was sold the dude was going to be a star. I used to spend hours getting through the first season in Madden just so I could draft Reggie Bush with the #1 pick. He'd proceed to rack up multiple years of 2,000 rush yards for me, all the while still returning punts and dominating there as well. When the Texans drafted Mario, I was infuriated. I couldn't believe it. But a couple years later, I realized I was dead wrong. Reggie turned into a good punt returner and an injury prone halfway decent running back. He was nowhere near the star I predicted.
Johnny was a little different, given that most of my infatuation with that guy had to do with me being an Aggie. I fell for the same BS that big time Longhorns fans did with VY. But reality is I'm no professional scout and even if I was, I wouldn't even be a good one.
The sooner you come to realize that fact, Texian, the better off you will be. Getting so attached to these prospects like they are the next John Elway and Dan Marino just does nothing but breed frustration with an organization where even their worst scout on his worst day is better than you and I on our best days.
Another offseason and we are still discussing Texian, lol
I can't think of anything theoretically better than what the Texans did by getting Oz.
A young promising QB that wants to prove himself.
And we still have all of our draft picks to better other parts of this team.
I'm thoroughly impressed with this FO and coaches at the moment.
I can't think of anything theoretically better than what the Texans did by getting Oz.
A young promising QB that wants to prove himself.
And we still have all of our draft picks to better other parts of this team.
I'm thoroughly impressed with this FO and coaches at the moment.
Texian
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I love my fans that hang on my every word. FYI I haven't read or heard different.
For some one who was ready to move on, you've been very slow to disengage. In fact, to the contrary, you've been very engaging.
No, I want you to move on. That was my point.
Texian
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Yeah I've been wrong, for instance, I was all in for Ryan Kerrigan and not so much JJ Watt. However about 20 minutes after the pick I thought it was a brilliant move by Wade. As for Johnny maybe the greatest college football player I ever watched play. The LSU games told me he would have limited success on Sundays. Kerrigan wasn't a bad pick, it was just that JJ Watt was a heck of a lot better. I was also also an advocate for RGIII. That started out well before all his injuries.
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ChampionTexan
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So then tell me again why you think it's reasonable that either Goff or Wentz will still be there at #6?
Texian
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I'll move on when I get damn good and ready to move on and not before then. That's for me to decide, not you Chief. Try a spoonful of your own medicine Sport.
I think all this trade up and draft X QB is just nonsense after the Titans GM gave a hint of the price tag. I think the Tacks are perfectly willing to sit there and take Tunsil at 1.1 to protect their shiny, new QB. Mariotta took a beating last season. That's a surefire way to ruin a promising young QB and there's no way Tunsil makes it past the Chargers if the Tacks trade down.
Texian
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Because there are a heck of lot of plausible scenarios that could take place, not just mine.
Then I'll continue to quote your weak, unsupported posts and prove that you're an anti-Texan troll. So that's where we stand.
ChampionTexan
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You think it's plausible that Cleveland passes on a QB at #2?
Only if you think Clowney is still worth a first round pick. Do you really? Do you think Dallas does?
Texian
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Yes, they're talking to RGIII now and because it's Cleveland. Yes it's plausible but less probable.
Brandon420tx
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He's bored
Are you in junior high?
Made me think of Texian at the end of Clint Eastwoods .44 for some reason....
Brandon420tx
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Not directed at me, but Amobi Okoye, was ecstatic when we drafted him, hidden my face in shame since then
Texian
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I was all in for Patrick Willis
But why would the Texans want to get rid of a promising pass rusher? Been nothing but complaints that we don't have enough pass rushers not named Watt as it is... And is even Merciless better than a Joey Bosa or other pass rusher they could get at #4? Not to mention the new contract that he signed
It's you that needs to look at the Texans big picture from their point of view, what you are proposing is hypothetical nonsense. Neither team would be willing to make the trade you are wanting. And that's IF one of the QB's fall to #4, which you yourself have said you don't think it will happen
ChampionTexan
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Okay, you expect Tennessee to trade their pick for someone to select Wentz, (and numerous teams are in a better position than the Texans to trade up to it), and then per your characterization, Cleveland probably takes Goff.
So that happens, the Texans decided not to go after Osweiler and try to get one of the top two guys and get shut out. What happens then?
Texian
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If that particular scenario happens then the Texans decision to sign Osweiller was a good decision.
ChampionTexan
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So you expect Tennessee to trade the pick to someone taking Wentz, and if your expectations are met, then you think it's probable that Cleveland takes Goff?
Tell me again why actually taking the bird in the hand vs. the two in the bush that you expect probably won't be there is a bad move?
From Dallas view might look doable, but for someone who has complained so much about the loss of a possible 6th round pick you sure are anxious for the Texans to give up 1st round picks on a relative unknown. I still don't know the Texans would make that move even if Goff or Wentz fell to #4. I don't know that they would have the chance with all the QB needy teams ahead of us
Texian
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Give all the hypotheticals a rest for awhile, we will know soon enough and besides it's all a moot point now that Texans have signed OZ. But if you want to continue to bang your head against that wall....then by all means....BANG AWAY!!!!
ChampionTexan
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No, because whatever happens (or doesn't happen) in the draft makes little difference to anyone at this point, it just gives you a reason to bust on the team even though you appear to not believe in the things you're busting on them for.
You do realize if you were Rick Smith, your conversation with McNair would have looked like this:
Texian (as Rick Smith): I think that Wentz and Goff are the two QB options this off-season.
McNair: So Rick, do you think one of those two will go with the first pick of the draft?
Texian: I expect that to happen.
McNair: So will Cleveland take the other "top" QB with the second pick?
Texian: Probably.
McNair: So Rick, what should we do?
Texian: We should do nothing, and hope I'm wrong about at least one of those two things.
McNair: And if you're wrong about one or both of the things you think are likely to happen, will we then be able to get one of those two QB's?
Texian: Maybe, but even if we can, it will cost a lot in draft picks and/or players.
McNair: So given that, would it be a wise idea to attempt to sign Brock Osweiler?
Texian: No, that would be a very bad decision, and reflect poorly on your ownership abilities.
Texian
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Keep Banging....might've to put you in to concussion protocol as a result.
ChampionTexan
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Actually, I don't think there's any further need.
Say Watt
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Ok, so what if you are wrong again? What if the Texans didn't sign Osweiler, couldn't get anyone to value Clowney or Mercilus as equal to a first round pick, and the Texans traded their 2016 first rounder, 2017 first rounder, 2017 second rounder, and Clowney to get within the top 6 to draft Goff or Wentz. The 2017 draft is now shot, as we're left with no first or second round picks, and our QB is a bust. What then?
You keep advocating patience but your insistence on mortgaging the future for your QB crush is the antithesis of patience. How can you not see that?
I was happy about the Amobi pick, but I really wanted Patrick Willis. No reason to hang your head. A lot of people thought Amobi was nearly can't miss. If I remember correctly, there were some even predicting he'd go in the top 6 or 7.
It is YOU that keeps banging away. Look at the thread. NO ONE is still arguing against the Brock signing except you. Everyone has either come around to being ok with the move, or they're just keeping quiet until the actual season starts. It's only then that we'll have any clue what kind of Texans QB that Brock will be. We know what he did in 7 games for the Broncos, so now it's time to see what he does for the Texans.
I'm going to say it one more time. What you are advocating is NOT patience. No, you are wishing the Texans had mortgaged the next 2-3 years worth of draft picks in an effort to get a guy you THINK is going to be special. But if it doesn't work out, you've just screwed the Texans WAY worse than what this move did. If Brock doesn't work out this season, we have one more year. That doesn't stop us from drafting a QB in 2017, and still leaves us with all our picks to address other problem areas and/or losses in free agency.
Your desire to prove McNair and company as incompetent has you bordering on becoming delusional.
Texian
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Remember what your Mama told you, "Good things come to those who wait."
There is no if, I will be wrong again.
Almost all my posts are responses to comments like these. If you want me to comment less stop responding and addressing my every post and I won't respond in kind. That simple!
Say Watt
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You have yet to provide a rebuttal to the certainty that trading away future draft picks for a MAYBE franchise QB does not align with your philosophy of patience. Your argument is completely illogical.
infantrycak
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Dude got run out of the NSZ because his 'facts' didn't meet history. If you're looking for logic you're digging the wrong hole
Done that before, she wasn't too happy
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