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Yes a backup, but it wasnt like he was backing up sam bradford, he was backing up a HOF QB ..even if it was a QB that father time was catching up to him..

Time will tell. We will know in 2 years. (If we keep him or not)

I just am glad that we arent going into the draft without everyone knowing that we are desperate. Best case scenario ,to me, is one of the QBs slip in the draft and we still get one to groom. We still have draft options, so that is great.



Hoyer wont step foot on reliant again. I may be wrong but if he does, reliant will be rocking to the sound of boos after last years fiasco in the playoffs. (Worse case would be brock get hurt, well if that is the scenario, put a fork in the Texans)
 
infantrycak said:
The backup nonsense is tired. I guess Aaron Rodgers is 'just a backup.'
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Negative Ghost rider, Green Bay drafted the BPA with the intent he would be their Starting QB and he is. They didn't let him get away. And yes that's exactly what Osweiller was a backup, regardless of whether you're tired or not.
 
Texian said:
Negative Ghost rider, Green Bay drafted the BPA with the intent he would be their Starting QB and he is. They didn't let him get away. And yes that's exactly what Osweiller was a backup, regardless of whether you're tired or not.
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And Denver drafted Oz to be their next starter regardless of your efforts to come up with aspersions.
 
Texian said:
See if you can't come up with 2 or 3 that would be better than Hoyer and $72 million for a backup.
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HOF Backups (based on Texian's definition):

Roger Staubach to Craig Morton
Steve Young to Joe Montana
Aaron Rodgers to Bret Favre
Tom Brady to Drew Bledsoe
Drew Brees to Doug Flutie

and knock it off with the $72 million! Why do you care about McNair's money? If your issue is cap management, then the $72 million figure has nothing to do with it. The Texans are spending money on lots of players, retaining the guys they want and can get out of the Osweiler contract easily (if they want) after 2017.
 
Texian said:
See if you can't come up with 2 or 3 that would be better than Hoyer and $72 million for a backup.
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HOF Backups (based on Texian's definition):

Roger Staubach to Craig Morton
Steve Young to Joe Montana
Aaron Rodgers to Bret Favre
Tom Brady to Drew Bledsoe
Drew Brees to Doug Flutie

and knock it off with the $72 million! Why do you care about McNair's money? If your issue is cap management, then the $72 million figure has nothing to do with it. The Texans are spending money on lots of players, retaining the guys they want and can get out of the Osweiler contract easily (if they want) after 2017.
 
Texian said:
See if you can't come up with 2 or 3 that would be better than Hoyer and $72 million for a backup.
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Well, if he can be a backup-to-starter as good as 'good Schaub' with our defense, I think we could expect to see a potential contender. My own chosen perspective at this point is optimism that Bob made the right choice, simply because I want to look forward to the 2016 instead of dreading it like I was with the thought of Hoyer as potential starting QB.

Any unproven QB is a gamble, regardless if it is trade, FA, or draft. And proven elite QBs just don't come on the market, unless they have a broken neck, and that's still a gamble.

I certainly understand your cynicism, though, so this is just friendly conversation and not any kind of attack on your perspectives.
 
infantrycak said:
The backup nonsense is tired. I guess Aaron Rodgers is 'just a backup.'
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Negative Ghost rider, Green Bay drafted the BPA
Mollywhopper said:
You suggested better options, I merely asked. If you can't provide them then fair enough, but it wasn't my objective. The backup stuff being pretty daft.

And I'd love to give you benefit of the doubt for not being suckered into the 72 number, but you're clearly making that difficult.
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Oh geez, good grief, I thought you were smart enough....so better options than Hoyer and a $72 million daft backup QB that would still leave the door open to draft a franchise QB, Chase Daniel, trade for AJ McCarron for starters. The $72 comes in to play if you don't kick him out after 2 years for being a bust. Then you're back at square 1 and you don't ossy can set you back 4-5 years????
 
dalemurphy said:
HOF Backups (based on Texian's definition):

Roger Staubach to Craig Morton
Steve Young to Joe Montana
Aaron Rodgers to Bret Favre
Tom Brady to Drew Bledsoe
Drew Brees to Doug Flutie

and knock it off with the $72 million! Why do you care about McNair's money? If your issue is cap management, then the $72 million figure has nothing to do with it. The Texans are spending money on lots of players, retaining the guys they want and can get out of the Osweiler contract easily (if they want) after 2017.
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Let me assure you Osweiller is not Staubach, Montana, Favre, Bledsoe or Brees. Probably closer to Scott Mitchell. Why do I care because a $72 million flop sets you back 4-5 years.
 
Texian said:
This one is for you, how did that work out for Denver, Osweiller becoming their next starting QB???
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It didn't work out for Denver because he chose not to re-sign with them. That's not an indictment of his ability that's an indictment of his decision making. He chose to not stay in a place he didn't want to be while at the same time taking advantage an opportunity to play elsewhere without having to jump through hoops or cause major drama.
 
This is what I learned over the years, PATIENCE, more OFTEN than not, has much better returns than a rush to judgement.
 
Speedy said:
Miss Cleo at it again.
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UUUMMMM MALI MALI UUUMMMM

How much exactly would you wager on Brock Osweiller becoming the next Staubach, Montana, Farve, Bledsoe or Brees?

How much would you wager on Brock Osweiller becoming the next Scott Mitchell?
 
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Bulls on Parade said:
Interestingly enough, if one of the good quarterbacks in this draft slip to the Texans at #22, do we entertain trade ideas?

Or could we draft that quarterback ourselves at #22 and then trade him at a later time? If we find no "blow me away offers" then worst case scenario (I'd consider it a luxury to have depth at quarterback), we have a young QB who can sit and learn after Brock Osweiler. A better backup than say a Tom Savage, that we can end up trading in the future for a first-round and third-round pick (just an example), or something of more value than just a #22 overall pick.

Or is it just the norm to trade down with that #22 overall pick to a team that wants to move up to select that quarterback on draft night? Why is there necessarily a rush to trade that pick so soon and not claim that enticing asset ourselves? And then use that asset at a later date to facilitate a potentially better trade.

Oh wow, I think I'm the new Daryl Morey, GM of the Houston Rockets. It's a good thing he's not the Houston Texans GM. LOL.

We start viewing draft picks like assets. Oh boy!!!!
But maybe that's a better strategy for Rick Smith.

I'm trying to think outside the box.
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Yes. That simple. Take the best player. We're always one hit away from the backup QB coming in aka Bledsoe. I would rather have a guy w with potential and keep my Super Bowl hopes alive instead of the Cowboys train wreck.
 
Texian said:
Let me assure you Osweiller is not Staubach, Montana, Favre, Bledsoe or Brees. Probably closer to Scott Mitchell. Why do I care because a $72 million flop sets you back 4-5 years.
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You have to get past the $72 million dollars. We can cut him after 2 years if he's not the guy and be done with it. If he's not who we hoped he was, we can draft someone next year and then give that guy a year to develop if he needs it.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
You have to get past the $72 million dollars. We can cut him after 2 years if he's not the guy and be done with it. If he's not who we hoped he was, we can draft someone next year and then give that guy a year to develop if he needs it.
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So you're already planning to get rid of the guy.
 
Andre Johnson can tell you great stories about what his patience got him with the Texans. Besides a large quantity of money.

So basically now you're saying if Os had chosen to try to stick it out in Denver despite not wanting to be there then you would consider him a better QB than he is?

Texian, I really like your analysis on college prospect QBs, I may not agree with all of them but I admit you have merit in that field. The reason you always face conflict on this board is you get emotionally attached to the players you identify as potential stars. When teams or posters have different viewpoints you stick harder to your convictions and try to make everyone see that you are right.

You attracted my attention to Wentz and it was very easy to see exactly why you think he'll be amazing, especially his ability to put a team on his back and win a game. I give you mad mad props for that. At the time the Texans had no viable or trustyworthy options at QB therefore I was in the trade the farm to get those guys camp. I never thought Osweiler would be available, so I didn't follow his FA news. Every other QB option available to sign or trade for didn't inspire me with confidence. When the rumors that we might get Osweiler started popping up I ignored them because I didn't think it was possible. Then we got him and I was shocked.

The fact of the matter is John Elway gave Os 2 contract offers, Rick Smith gave him 2 contract offers, and Os chose to leave Denver. That's basically it. He wasn't chased out. He didn't have a severe injury. He didn't take a dump on Elway's car on the way out. Nothing. He just had a very rare opportunity as a QB to shop his services in Free Agency and took it. That's really how I see the situation and I'm not mad at either Os or the Texans for the $$$ involved in the contract because that's just the way these things play out.
 
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Texian said:
Let me assure you Osweiller is not Staubach, Montana, Favre, Bledsoe or Brees. Probably closer to Scott Mitchell. Why do I care because a $72 million flop sets you back 4-5 years.
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We will find out.

However, once again (do you refuse to get this), they can get out of the contract after 2017. In the meantime, the "$72 million flop" occurred the same week as the Lamar Miller and Jeff Allen signings, among others, and we still have our full allotment of draft picks. I'm not sure how this sets us back 4-5 years.
 
Man... Texian I just don't get you. You have some really good insights seem to be a knowledgeable guy, then you get something like this stuck in your craw and you just become insufferable.

All these better options that the Texans would have had available if they didn't sign Osweiler, wouldn't Denver (who misplayed the Osweiler deal, and have been squawking like a jilted lover since he signed with the Texans) have all those same "better" options available to them and so far they have managed.... drum roll.... Mark Sanchez.
 
Texian said:
When did you last speak with Elway?
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Want me to pull up the Elway quote? Went and got it for you anyway:


http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/06/peyton-manning-retirement-tom-brady-nfl

The Broncos will be an interesting team to watch in the first couple of days in free agency. Denver has two of the top players in free agency, and after the Broncos franchise-tagged Von Miller, defensive end Malik Jackson and quarterback Brock Osweiler could be stolen by aggressive teams. It is likely that Jackson will sign elsewhere, for as much as $15 million a season. Osweiler, however, will be Denver’s prime target, and you should expect him to be re-signed by John Elway. The Broncos GM is convinced Osweiler can be a star.
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Great endorsement for your newly signed QB when a HoF QB is convinced he will be a star. Elway just couldnt afford a damn bidding war when he is up against the cap
 
Texian said:
Negative Ghost rider, Green Bay drafted the BPA with the intent he would be their Starting QB and he is. They didn't let him get away. And yes that's exactly what Osweiller was a backup, regardless of whether you're tired or not.
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No one was sold on Aaron Rodgers, which is why he fell in the draft. Comparing the Packers and the state of their franchise when they drafted Rodgers to the 2016 Texans is just ridiculous.

You're a broken record on this issue. It baffles me you're still going on and on about this. It's done.

You might be sold that Wentz and Goff are the next Aaron Rodgers, but your prediction is just at much of a gamble as mine is that Oz can be a Ben Roethlisberger type QB. No one knows, and we likely won't know for another two years. Why you continue playing armchair GM has me bamboozled.

The Texans finally did something. They also lost their best RB in their short history and proceeded to replace him with a guy that has the skills to be the 2nd best RB in Texans history. The draft hasn't even happened, and I'll be shocked if they don't go OL or WR in the first. Add all this to DeAndre Hopkins and an already decent line to a guy with Big Ben potential in Brock Osweiler, and I'd say this is as good a time as any to be a Texans fan.
 
Double Barrel said:
Well, if he can be a backup-to-starter as good as 'good Schaub' with our defense, I think we could expect to see a potential contender. My own chosen perspective at this point is optimism that Bob made the right choice, simply because I want to look forward to the 2016 instead of dreading it like I was with the thought of Hoyer as potential starting QB.

Any unproven QB is a gamble, regardless if it is trade, FA, or draft. And proven elite QBs just don't come on the market, unless they have a broken neck, and that's still a gamble.

I certainly understand your cynicism, though, so this is just friendly conversation and not any kind of attack on your perspectives.
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Well and as far as I understand it, this wasn't McNair's move; it was O'Brien's.

He's finally got HIS QB. Now let's all watch the show and see what he does with his guys on his team. Year 3 and O'Brien has made his mark. I'm excited to see how it works out.
 
Say Watt said:
Well and as far as I understand it, this wasn't McNair's move; it was O'Brien's.

He's finally got HIS QB. Now let's all watch the show and see what he does with his guys on his team. Year 3 and O'Brien has made his mark. I'm excited to see how it works out.
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Yes, O'Brien's choice, based on McNair's demand to upgade the position after seeing that 30-0 playoff debacle.

O'Brien had three options: trade, FA, or draft. Trade is not really an option, draft could really be costly to move up, and FA presented a golden opportunity. But, I have no doubt that it was a McNair mandate to get that SOB Hoyer out of that starting job asap. He has pretty much said so in every public appearance since the playoff game. Come hell or high water, this owner wanted a new QB, and I certainly thank him for that attitude.
 
Texian said:
So you're already planning to get rid of the guy.
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It's called thinking of contingencies. At the two year mark, if he's good, you extend him; if he's crap, you cut him. You have to consider all the cases, and unlike your world, there are more than two.

Osweiler could be:

1) The Next Great QB
2) A Very Good QB
3) A Good QB
4) A Not Good QB
5) A Terrible QB
6) Brian Hoyer

And that holds true for Bortles, Bridgewater, Wentz, Goff, and Lynch, and every other QB who hasn't blossomed, yet. (It took Rich Gannon a lot of teams and a lot of tries before he turned into A Very Good QB, so just because someone has been in the league for a few years, that's not an automatic sign that they can't become better than a good QB.)

Where each of them falls in that continuum isn't entirely in their own hands or based on their own talent, a lot depends on the coaches they get, when they get them, the situations they're put in, and other various things.

Because I'm a Texan's fan, last year at this time I was hoping that Ryan Mallett would turn out to be better than a Not Good QB. This year, I'm hoping Brock Osweiler is better than a Not Good QB, but if we had given away a bunch of picks to trade up and get Wentz or Goff, I would have been hoping that they'd end up being The Next Great QB. And the odds are, they won't be despite all your assurances.
 
Texian said:
When did you last speak with Elway?
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Elway whining about only wanting guys who want to be there pretty much says it all.

He offered a 3 year $45 million contract. Let it sit there. Basic negotiations. Elway tried to lowball him to set his expectations. When Elway realized that wasn't going to cut it, he upped the offer. When the Texan's offered the current deal, the agent apparently didn't even give Elway a chance to up it. For all we know, he would have. But we DO know that he offered a contract that wasn't that far away from what the Texans offered.

Say all you want about Elway not wanting Osweiler and not really seeing him as an adequate successor, his willingness to up that initial offer to offer up pretty much all of his available cap space for Osweiler says something entirely different.
 
Texian said:
So do you sign Scott Mitchell for $72 Million and use 3 high draft picks to improve the talent on the team or do you package 3 high picks to move up to draft a rookie that you hope will be as good as Aaron Rodgers? McNair opted to sign his version of Scott Mitchell.
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Texian said:
This is what I learned over the years, PATIENCE, more OFTEN than not, has much better returns than a rush to judgement.
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Kinda like your rushing to judgement on Os? Put your money where your mouth is. PM me your best bet and in 2 years the loser pays up. I, for one, think you're being extremely shortsighted and only looking at the QB(s) you've personally anointed and would give your 1st born for the Texans to aquire.
Draft picks are much more valuable than an owner's money. Why else do you think there are vastly greater numbers of trades for draft picks than cash considerations? Any owner in the league would mortgage their personal fortunes to hoist a Lombardi Trophy. They're much more reluctant to give up future potential.
What if Wentz or Goff ends up like Dan Marino and Os ends up like Eli Manning? Clearly Marino is the better QB, but who has more Super Bowl victories? Will you feel vindicated or take a step back and rethink your position?

Sorry for the BOP-ish post. LOL
 
Texian said:
Oh geez, good grief, I thought you were smart enough....so better options than Hoyer and a $72 million daft backup QB that would still leave the door open to draft a franchise QB, Chase Daniel, trade for AJ McCarron for starters. The $72 comes in to play if you don't kick him out after 2 years for being a bust. Then you're back at square 1 and you don't ossy can set you back 4-5 years????
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- What's with the 'smart enough' nonsense? How old are you?

- draft which franchise QB? Who beside you is considering trading for Goff or Wentz a layup?

- Chase Daniel? Seriously? I thought you said better options. All you've got is 'that guy' trade scenarios.

- And I see the 72 is still giving you trouble. Ok.
 
infantrycak said:
The backup nonsense is tired. I guess Aaron Rodgers is 'just a backup.'

And no, there were 3 good options - Wentz, Goff and Oz. Each with big price tags in one form or another.
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I'm sure I'm going to be alone in this, & I'm on board with Brock, but... I can't believe we're going to pass on Connor Cook. I can see where Texian is coming from. The only benefit, I think, Osweiler gives us is that a rookie QB has never won the Super Bowl. After the 2016 season, that's not going to be relevant.

The money doesn't bother me. It is what it is, we had the money... but Cook was going to be right there.
 
Brandon420tx said:
Andre Johnson can tell you great stories about what his patience got him with the Texans. Besides a large quantity of money.

So basically now you're saying if Os had chosen to try to stick it out in Denver despite not wanting to be there then you would consider him a better QB than he is?

Texian, I really like your analysis on college prospect QBs, I may not agree with all of them but I admit you have merit in that field. The reason you always face conflict on this board is you get emotionally attached to the players you identify as potential stars. When teams or posters have different viewpoints you stick harder to your convictions and try to make everyone see that you are right.

You attracted my attention to Wentz and it was very easy to see exactly why you think he'll be amazing, especially his ability to put a team on his back and win a game. I give you mad mad props for that. At the time the Texans had no viable or trustyworthy options at QB therefore I was in the trade the farm to get those guys camp. I never thought Osweiler would be available, so I didn't follow his FA news. Every other QB option available to sign or trade for didn't inspire me with confidence. When the rumors that we might get Osweiler started popping up I ignored them because I didn't think it was possible. Then we got him and I was shocked.

The fact of the matter is John Elway gave Os 2 contract offers, Rick Smith gave him 2 contract offers, and Os chose to leave Denver. That's basically it. He wasn't chased out. He didn't have a severe injury. He didn't take a dump on Elway's car on the way out. Nothing. He just had a very rare opportunity as a QB to shop his services in Free Agency and took it. That's really how I see the situation and I'm not mad at either Os or the Texans for the $$$ involved in the contract because that's just the way these things play out.
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No I'm not saying any of this, those are your words. not mine.

I post my opinions, you can either agree or disagree.

The main reason my point of view is often controversial is I am REALIST and NOT a OPTIMIST. I don't live in a Texans world of Hope, Wishful Thinking and Rose Colored Glasses. This has a tendency to rub some people the wrong way. I understand it but it doesn't change my opinions or my point of view. Five years ago I began mentioning that Bob McNair was a poor owner from the standpoint of the product he was putting on the field. Noting that his winning percentage was unsatisfactory. Most took me to task and were all to quick to inform me that Bob McNair was the best owner in the NFL. Today many more agree with me about Bob McNair.

I'm just not as convinced that Osweiller is everything most here that think he's cracked up to be. It is my opinion that Wentz or Goff both will be better QBs. And I would not be surprised to see one become much more affordable from a trade standpoint than originally first thought. Much like Osweiller being untouchable. Like I said, and I did say this, Patience usually wins out over the rash decision.
 
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Texian said:
Negative Ghost rider, Green Bay drafted the BPA with the intent he would be their Starting QB and he is. They didn't let him get away. And yes that's exactly what Osweiller was a backup, regardless of whether you're tired or not.
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The only difference between Rodgers & Osweiler, as far as the back up conversation goes, is that Greenbay was willing to force Favre's hand & Denver wasn't. They drafted Osweiler explicitly to be the guy in case Manning couldn't play. When it turned out Manning could play, he became the heir apparent.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm sure I'm going to be alone in this, & I'm on board with Brock, but... I can't believe we're going to pass on Connor Cook. I can see where Texian is coming from. The only benefit, I think, Osweiler gives us is that a rookie QB has never won the Super Bowl. After the 2016 season, that's not going to be relevant.

The money doesn't bother me. It is what it is, we had the money... but Cook was going to be right there.
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There's still that messy issue of Cook not being able to hit the broadside of a barn and getting wonky eyes after his first read.

Which are strange things to ignore given how much you like Cook and knowing you must have seen a good deal of his play.
 
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I'm sure I'm going to be alone in this, & I'm on board with Brock, but... I can't believe we're going to pass on Connor Cook. I can see where Texian is coming from. The only benefit, I think, Osweiler gives us is that a rookie QB has never won the Super Bowl. After the 2016 season, that's not going to be relevant.

The money doesn't bother me. It is what it is, we had the money... but Cook was going to be right there.
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Cook is likely to be right there in the 3rd as well.

Great you've picked your AJ McCarron for the year. Doesn't mean anyone else would consider taking him at #22.
 
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Texian said:
No I'm not saying any of this, those are your words. not mine.

I post my opinions, you can either agree or disagree.

The main reason my point of view is often controversial is I am REALIST and NOT a OPTIMIST. I don't live in a Texans world of Hope, Wishful Thinking and Rose Colored Glasses. This has a tendency to rub some people the wrong way. I understand it but it doesn't change my opinions or my point of view. Five years ago I began mentioning that Bob McNair was a poor owner from the standpoint of the product he was putting on the field. Noting that his winning percentage was unsatisfactory. Most took me to task and were all to quick to inform me that Bob McNair was the best owner in the NFL. Today many more agree with me about Bob McNair.
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& the last five years, we've had four winning seasons, three play off runs, three division championships... Things change.
 
Texian said:
I post my opinions, you can either agree or disagree.

The main reason my point of view is often controversial is I am REALIST and NOT a OPTIMIST. I don't live in a Texans world of Hope, Wishful Thinking and Rose Colored Glasses. This has a tendency to rub some people the wrong way. I understand it but it doesn't change my opinions or my point of view. Five years ago I began mentioning that Bob McNair was a poor owner from the standpoint of the product he was putting on the field. Noting that his winning percentage was unsatisfactory. Most took me to task and were all to quick to inform me that Bob McNair was the best owner in the NFL. Today many more agree with me about Bob McNair.
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Nope.

It's your inability to see anyone's opinion but your own.
 
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Texian said:
No I'm not saying any of this, those are your words. not mine.

I post my opinions, you can either agree or disagree.

The main reason my point of view is often controversial is I am REALIST and NOT a OPTIMIST. I don't live in a Texans world of Hope, Wishful Thinking and Rose Colored Glasses. This has a tendency to rub some people the wrong way. I understand it but it doesn't change my opinions or my point of view. Five years ago I began mentioning that Bob McNair was a poor owner from the standpoint of
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Then you should be happy. Mcnair and his front office made a sheyot or get off the pot decision. If they can't continue Brook's development then obrien and rick smith will be gone, because we still suck..if brock does well then mcnair finally has a FO that worked together to put a good product on the field..either way it is a win win.

On a side note. We don't know how the rookie QB will turn out. If the Texans made an impatient and rash move and gave up some high draft picks to move up and the rookie ends up busting...well we are still set back.

I am in wait and see mode. If one of these high rated qbs slip down. Maybe the Texans end up drafting a back up to groom. Who knows.
 
infantrycak said:
Cook is likely to be right there in the 3rd as well.

Great you've picked your AJ McCarron for the year. Doesn't mean anyone else would consider taking him at #22.
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As if it were likely the Texans would take him at 22.

Before signing Osweiler, I thought there was a chance. Now, I feel there's no chance.

I don't know if I'll be able to watch the draft if Cook is going to be there in the third. I'm going to have to send the cat to the kennel.
 
Trading up for Wentz would have been a rash move. One I would support, but not something I'd call patient.

You actually come off more a pessimist if we don't draft your yearly QBdarling.

Most of us aren't hailing Os a Hall of Famer, but even the worst, most critical, hate filled viewpoints on him basically project him at the pre-playoff Hoyer level. More rational thoughts are he'll be a B- grade QB, which is a major step up for us without having to trade away other future prospects.

All Owners can do is hire GMs, Coaches, push agenda's towards players, and raise price tickets. Not much I can do about it except not buy tickets so the McNair arguement has zero influence on me.

The optimist in me thinks that Wentz or Goff (more likely Goff) would make it to around the top pick and we could trade up for them. The realist in me knows Wentz is now gone and only QB desperation made me willing to make that move for Goff. The pessimist in me is thinking that our Oline is going to crumble this season and our offense will once again struggle do to that.
 
Texian said:
The main reason my point of view is often controversial is I am REALIST and NOT a OPTIMIST.
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Where's the analysis?

Forget the Elway wanted him, Optimist stuff...

Blah, blah, blah...Who cares.

What is your analysis of his play. What are the actual football related things that concern you about Os?

I think if you approach it from that angle rather than incorrectly assuming people are optimist (lol, really?) you might not feel like your take is all that "controversial".

PS. I've been visiting this board (Well not THIS board) since around the time I graduated highschool and I'm entering my thirties now....If you think that this is a group of collective Optimist and will lash out at anything slightly negative about new pickups then you're just wrong.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Where's the analysis?

Forget the Elway wanted him, Optimist stuff...

Blah, blah, blah...Who cares.

What is your analysis of his play. What are the actual football related things that concern you about Os?

I think if you approach it from that angle rather than incorrectly assuming people are optimist (lol, really?) you might not feel like your take is all that "controversial".

PS. I've been visiting this board (Well not THIS board) since around the time I graduated highschool and I'm entering my thirties now....If you think that this is a group of collective Optimist and will lash out at anything slightly negative about new pickups then you're just wrong.
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I have offered my analysis, because you haven't read it doesn't mean there was none.

The Optimist are preparing the Brock Osweiller Bust for Canton. I on the other hand say the Osweiller road map is very similar to Scott Mitchell's, both had same QB Rating, very similar stats, Osweiller started 7 games backing up Manning and Mitchell started 7 games backing up Marino.

That's not my approach but it is a valid explanation. Most of my posts come from those comments addressing me, some in a snarky belligerent kind of way, much like this one. It would be much easier for you and others just to say I disagree with you Texian. And I would say, it's OK to disagree, there is nothing wrong with it.
 
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