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Texans Cutting Foster...

ChampionTexan said:
He'll be 30 years old by the time the 2016 season starts, he was worked like a dog in the 2010-2012 seasons, and he's coming off an injury that typically takes a minimum of a year to return to form regardless of age.

As much as it pains me to defend something Rick Smith said, this might not be driven exclusively - or even mostly - by money.
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Right. I think whoever the players have negotiating for them in the CBA is really doing them a disservice. He's basically being cut for an injury that occurred on the field. Just imagine what the outcry would have been if he asked for a pay raise after 2014.

Players are getting screwed.
 
sandman said:
You normally accuse grown men of being liars from the safety of your computer? Don't you have a big ol' set of brass balls, hard man.
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I would tell that to Rick Smith's face and if he whipped my ass so be it.

Fact is he stabbed Kubiak in the back and ran an end run with BOB to get rid of AJ. He's a man of no integrity.

I dont need brass ball to have a strong opinion. Do you?
 
revan said:
I agree with this but what have they done to replace that talent?. All they did was go full circle with Nuk by giving him the double teams AJ used to get. They released Foster now they better replace that talent, I don't want to hear them say, "we are going with what we got again".
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This franchise has consistently proven over the years that they do not plan two steps ahead. With the exception of Hopkins, rarely have they acquired a replacement beforehand. Typically they are trying to replace a guy after he's already gone. Look at the routinely successful team (Pats, Ravens, Seahawks) they always have in-house guys ready to take over for when they push their over the hill veterans out the door. That's why they reload instead of rebuild. Conversely, the Texans rebuild instead of reload because we don't attempt to replace our talent until it's already gone.
 
sandman said:
You normally accuse grown men of being liars from the safety of your computer? Don't you have a big ol' set of brass balls, hard man.
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I would tell that to Rick Smith's face and if he whipped my ass so be it.

Fact is he stabbed Kubiak in the back and ran an end run with BOB to get rid of AJ. He's a man of no integrity.

I dont need brass ball to have a strong opinion. Do you?
 
Lucky said:
Certainly, the 3rd greatest Texan of all time. Foster would be on the Texans Mt. Rushmore along with JJ, AJ, and....Joe Texan?
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To me, it's Duane Brown fairly comfortably, but I would imagine there might be a few who argue for Demeco. Regardless, there's a bit of a gap between #3 and #4.

Is Arian the 2nd greatest Houston pro football RB of all time? Yeah, I think so.
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No doubt in my mind about this one.
 
thunderkyss said:
Right. I think whoever the players have negotiating for them in the CBA is really doing them a disservice. He's basically being cut for an injury that occurred on the field. Just imagine what the outcry would have been if he asked for a pay raise after 2014.

Players are getting screwed.
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He is being cut because over the last three years, he has shown that he cannot be relied upon to consistently suit up and play. He has missed almost 50% of the games in the last three years. There is no confidence that he will overcome this specific injury and remain healthy, because he has been unable to do that his entire career. 6 years as a starter, and only twice played in all 16 games. That is a trend, not a one-injury anomaly. And not a good trend for a soon to be 30 year old RB.
 
WolverineFan said:
This franchise has consistently proven over the years that they do not plan two steps ahead. With the exception of Hopkins, rarely have they acquired a replacement beforehand. Typically they are trying to replace a guy after he's already gone. Look at the routinely successful team (Pats, Ravens, Seahawks) they always have in-house guys ready to over for when they push their over the hill veterans out the door. That's why they reload instead of rebuild. Conversely, the Texans rebuild instead of reload because we don't attempt to replace our talent until it's already gone.
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And that's a Rick Smith (or maybe McNair getting in the way) thing
 
WolverineFan said:
This franchise has consistently proven over the years that they do not plan two steps ahead. With the exception of Hopkins, rarely have they acquired a replacement beforehand. Typically they are trying to replace a guy after he's already gone. Look at the routinely successful team (Pats, Ravens, Seahawks) they always have in-house guys ready to take over for when they push their over the hill veterans out the door. That's why they reload instead of rebuild. Conversely, the Texans rebuild instead of reload because we don't attempt to replace our talent until it's already gone.
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Unless you consider Blue an adequate replacement. LOL
 
WolverineFan said:
This franchise has consistently proven over the years that they do not plan two steps ahead. With the exception of Hopkins, rarely have they acquired a replacement beforehand. Typically they are trying to replace a guy after he's already gone. Look at the routinely successful team (Pats, Ravens, Seahawks) they always have in-house guys ready to take over for when they push their over the hill veterans out the door. That's why they reload instead of rebuild. Conversely, the Texans rebuild instead of reload because we don't attempt to replace our talent until it's already gone.
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Didn't they do exactly that last draft with Kevin Johnson? And if rumors are true we were aiming for Melvin Gordon to time share with Arian; which many predicted this would be his last year anyways.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I don't know that you need a medical degree to look at missing 23 of the last 48 games while turning 30 at the start of next year at the running back position with an achilles of all things being the most recent injury ... and looking at 6.6M saved against the cap for cutting him now.

Just reading that sentence back, I don't see how you keep him. Maybe not 'had to', but in all the most reasonable likelihoods, it's just what's best.
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Eh... If we're not doing anything with the money, then it doesn't really matter. We could have kept him on the roster, never played a down & it would be the same. No better, no worse.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would tell that to Rick Smith's face and if he whipped my ass so be it.

Fact is he stabbed Kubiak in the back and ran an end run with BOB to get rid of AJ. He's a man of no integrity.

I dont need brass ball to have a strong opinion. Do you?
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You have a lot of facts with very little proof. Just your opinion. What exactly did Rick lie about?

And it is a sad testimony of your life that given the opportunity to have a face to face conversation with Rick Smith, you would call him a lying backstabbing yes man.
 
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 19m19 minutes ago


Rick Smith, #Texans executive Vice President and general manager,with a statement on RB Arian Foster, released today

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thunderkyss said:
Right. I think whoever the players have negotiating for them in the CBA is really doing them a disservice. He's basically being cut for an injury that occurred on the field. Just imagine what the outcry would have been if he asked for a pay raise after 2014.

Players are getting screwed.
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Players get screwed all the time. A contract can be torn up by the team whenever it decides it's more favorable than keeping the player.
It's a tough problem to tackle precisely because of the inherent risk of injury in the NFL. If a contract is 100% guaranteed, players will likely take a huge pay cut.
 
thunderkyss said:
Eh... If we're not doing anything with the money, then it doesn't really matter. We could have kept him on the roster, never played a down & it would be the same. No better, no worse.
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So you want to hold the roster spot, and as an aside that money, just to not feel bad about cutting Foster?
 
steelbtexan said:
Bye Arian

I'm not going to miss your always injured, pseudo intelect, self righteous, self serving BS self.

Exit stage left and take you momma/brother etc.... with you.
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Feel better about yourself now? Guessing even if they read your vapid response there would be approximately zero sh*ts given about your "strong opinion".
 
PapaL said:
Didn't they do exactly that last draft with Kevin Johnson? And if rumors are true we were aiming for Melvin Gordon to time share with Arian; which many predicted this would be his last year anyways.
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I'm not sure I would count Johnson. In the modern NFL you need 3 starting CB's. For years we marched the Brice McCain's of the world out there as our 3rd starter and routinely got crushed by passing teams. Smith finally addressed this last year.

Johnson will replace Joseph when he's done. The question is, will Smith plan ahead and have that 3rd CB already in the pipeline when that time comes? History suggests that he won't.

Also, him possibly aiming for Gordon is irrelevant. He didn't address that need. Instead he drafted a 7th round guy who couldn't make the practice squad.
 
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The best running back the Texans have had. Some good memories for sure. Dude had some stumbles along the way too, nothing to serious outside of his personal life though. I personally never understood why people were rubbed the wrong way by him. Always thought it was funny when he was jacking with the media and then they would get all pissy about it.
 
WolverineFan said:
I'm not sure I would count Johnson. In the modern NFL you need 3 starting CB's. For years we marched the Brice McCain's of the world out there as our 3rd starter and routinely got crushed by passing teams. Smith finally addressed this last year.

Johnson will replace Joseph when he's done. The question is, will Smith plan ahead and have that 3rd CB already in the pipeline when that time comes? History suggests that he won't.

Also, him possibly aiming for Gordon is irrelevant. He didn't address that need. Instead he drafted a 7th round guy who couldn't make the practice squad.
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If drafting a replacement for your 30+ year CB, whom has had plenty of leg injuries, isn't planning ahead then let's agree to disagree.
 
sandman said:
You have a lot of facts with very little proof. Just your opinion. What exactly did Rick lie about?

And it is a sad testimony of your life that given the opportunity to have a face to face conversation with Rick Smith, you would call him a lying backstabbing yes man.
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Like I give two sh!ts about what you think of my life.

I happen to love every precious minute given to me by my creator and hope you feel the same.

Tell you what, you worry about your life and I'll worry about mine. Capisce.
 
ESAD2-14 said:
Feel better about yourself now? Guessing even if they read your vapid response there would be approximately zero sh*ts given about your "strong opinion".
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Nor would I care.

What does this have to do with feeling better?
 
WolverineFan said:
This franchise has consistently proven over the years that they do not plan two steps ahead. With the exception of Hopkins, rarely have they acquired a replacement beforehand. Typically they are trying to replace a guy after he's already gone. Look at the routinely successful team (Pats, Ravens, Seahawks) they always have in-house guys ready to take over for when they push their over the hill veterans out the door. That's why they reload instead of rebuild. Conversely, the Texans rebuild instead of reload because we don't attempt to replace our talent until it's already gone.
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Having a qb helps a lot with that.

Pats aren't replacing guys they lose with equal or better talent all the time. But they do put talent in other places.

It's really not about replacing an individual talent at a single position. It's about keeping the collective talent at a level conducive to winning. But more importantly, drafting a good qb that stays healthy for the most part is top priority.

After that, then it becomes about the general talent level of the team.

We don't have to find another Arian. I mean if we do, great. But a good back and strong stepping up plus finding a good TE/actually using them helps the overall talent level.

The Texans have somewhat neglected the offensive skill positions over the years in general.
 
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ESAD2-14 said:
Feel better about yourself now? Guessing even if they read your vapid response there would be approximately zero sh*ts given about your "strong opinion".
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Nor would I care.

What does this have to do with feeling better?
 
JB said:
So who do you want to replace Foster? My list would look like this

1. Lamar Miller (FA)
from draft:
2. Elliot
3. Dixon
4. Collins
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Well I like JONATHAN GRIMES !!! since he is already in the building and knows the system

other then that I like the running backs from the bills like woods and Asita for minny

But New Orleans has like 4 young Runnning backs on the market they cant keep them all im sure the Texans will look at them
 
Arian's Farewell through Instagram:

In 2009, I flew to Houston with every piece of clothing I owned and told my mother I wasn't coming home. I'll find my way. Ambitious for an undrafted rookie that knew nothing about anything. but that's exactly what I did. this ride has had a multitude of ups and downs, but perspective is key. I've got 7 years of beautiful memories with teammates, staff and coaches I'll never forget. thank you all for being a part of this journey. People that I call friends and brothers have all contributed to the success of what we did on the field, and also to the person that I am off. With everything in me, I love and respect the men and women you are. You are a part of me for good. and to the city of Houston, I genuinely appreciate every ounce of love I've ever gotten. from seeing a small kid to an 80 year old man wear my jersey. I never took it for granted. we're all just guessing our way through life, being the best people we can, and the people of this city have put a lot of joy in the hearts of my self and my family. onward we march, it's been real. Nothing but love on this end. - Arian Foster
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Classy...........Good luck to you, Arian, from here on.
 
PapaL said:
If drafting a replacement for your 30+ year CB, whom has had plenty of leg injuries, isn't planning ahead then let's agree to disagree.
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I'm not disagreeing that he will eventually replace Joseph, but we had needed a 3rd CB for 4-5 years by the time he finally made a move and grabbed one.

His track record is still against him. We consistently have to fill holes in the offseason because we rarely have in-house replacements already on deck. Most notably at QB. His complete lack of a game plan for the Texans post-Schaub is a fireable offense by itself.
 
MistaRed said:
Sad but expected. Favorite Foster game memories? Mine:

2nd TD run against the Bengals in 1st playoff game.

Juking the **** outta Polamalu and scoring TD against the Steelers.

Racking up 200+ on Indy on opening day
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These are my top three as well.

That Polamalu juke is burned in my memory as one of the best one-on-one contests I've ever seen, given the skill of both players and the resulting TD that changed the game.

The Bengals TD run was an amazing display of body control, balance, and strength. At the time, it seemed unimaginable that he could demonstrate all those abilities in addition to his vision and elusiveness.

The 2010 Colts game... Best Texans opening day in history. Texans fans finally got what they had been asking for after so many years.

Foster was one of the best all around running backs to ever play. What he brought to this team will be immeasurably missed.
 
Nearly everybody saw this coming a year ago. And that's why a lot of us were saying that the Texans needed to address the position early in the draft with an impact player so that we would have someone ready to step in when the time came.

But of course we had to be the Texans about it. This franchise is incapable of looking forward more than one year at a time. All the successful franchises in the league attempt to patch holes before they becoming gaping needs.
 
DocBar said:
I wish the Texans would release Hoyer so we could all find our happy places again!
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If they already cut Foster without needing the money & Graham & Moore... chances are they aren't going to be cutting Hoyer.
 
mussop said:
Class is not taking advantage of a young girl, knocking her up and then hiding behind your wife and allowing the young girl to take all the heat as if she was a bad person.
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Damn. I forgot about that.
 
thunderkyss said:
Eh... If we're not doing anything with the money, then it doesn't really matter. We could have kept him on the roster, never played a down & it would be the same. No better, no worse.
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So let's say you have a cell phone that you literally never use because you have a newer one. The newer one isn't as functional as your old one used to be, but then again, the old one's showing some age, and occasionally it will become unusable for weeks - or even months at a time. Because the old phone was top of the line in it's day, and you used the heck out of it when it was more reliable, you have a very expensive plan - let's say $150/month (the new one is less expensive, but then again, it's not as good a plan). There's a year left on your old plan, but you negotiated the buyout down to zero when you signed up, so that's not an issue. But you can still painlessly afford the $150 every month, and there's not really anything you can think of you'd buy or spend it on if you cancelled the plan, so you keep paying the monthly bill. This is true, even though the old phone's in a drawer somewhere, and you'd have to do some looking to even find it.

Does this sound like something you would do? I hope not. And what in the world is making you even assume they're not doing anything with the money? Even if they don't need it this season (which is kind of unlikely), they would then be able to roll it into next seasons cap and use it then. So for that assumption to be correct, it essentially means the Texans would have to go through the remainder of their franchise existence (or until the salery cap was abolished - whichever came first), and never come closer than $6.625 Million from the cap.
 
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Seth Payne made a good point I didnt think of. Even if we had the money while keeping Foster it would have made luring a top FA rb here almost impossible. The guy doesnt want to come in and think theres a chance at some point he will be playing second fiddle.
 
mussop said:
Class is not taking advantage of a young girl, knocking her up and then hiding behind your wife and allowing the young girl to take all the heat as if she was a bad person.
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I won't go so far as to call her a "bad person", but her claims of not knowing Arian was married at the time are awfully hard to believe. She also recanted most of her claims against him. (other than knocking her up) Seems she has an affinity for Houston-based athletes as well. (see Chase Budinger)

It certainly doesn't excuse Arian's conduct in the least, but it's hard to see her as anything but a gold digger.
 
disaacks3 said:
I won't go so far as to call her a "bad person", but her claims of not knowing Arian was married at the time are awfully hard to believe. She also recanted most of her claims against him. (other than knocking her up) Seems she has an affinity for Houston-based athletes as well. (see Chase Budinger)

It certainly doesn't excuse Arian's conduct in the least, but it's hard to see her as anything but a gold digger.
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being a younger person who grew up in Cypress I knew plenty of people who went to high school with her, and knew her well. She's not exactly of high character herself ill put it that way
 
PapaL said:
Another aging Texans legend is leaving. Few were better when he was healthy. Complete package. 3 down RB. Thanks for your years of service.
Maybe he and AJ can be roommates in Indy?
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Word is Dre will be cut in Indy, so don't think they can be roommates there.

DocBar said:
I wish the Texans would release Hoyer so we could all find our happy places again!
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I could not agree more, but they will drag it out as long as possible, or like others have suggested not cut him which would be tragic.
 
mussop said:
It's being said that arian was open to reworking his contract and we weren't interested.
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I'm OK with that. The dollar amount at this point in time wasn't reasonable so that's realistic. I just assume last year of contract salaries are most likely throwaway numbers anyway. I'm sure players, agents, and teams do the same thing these days. Probably more than anything it was the injuries and having to go with lesser backs while he was out. Three straight years of injury issues (even though 2014 was pretty damn good) is writing on the wall territory. Whether Foster costs you $9 million or $3 million doesn't matter if he's sitting on the bench most of the year hurt and your offense is struggling to run the ball.
 
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