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Texans interested in Trading FOR Kaepernick

Byrds Man said:
The only thing these stats prove is that we need to draft a running back in the first round.
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And a pro bowl TE. And a pro bowl OT. And about five more pro bowlers on defense if you want to go the Kap route, but I'd rather stay away from guys who lost their job to Blaine Gabbert.

Or we could do what all the top franchises in the league do and draft our own QB instead of waiting around for some other team to just hand us a valuable commodity.
 
bah007 said:
God no.

But I don't want to have the same experience with a Kap experiment either.
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So do you consider them to be on the same level as far as QB's go?

I'm not trying to ask leading questions. But at 1:22 we aren't getting either of the two potentially NFL-ready QB's in the draft. And so far this off season any mention of a FA has elicited the "pointy elbows" comments.

I want someone better than Hoyer. I would like it to be the guy who will be the franchise QB for the next decade. That doesn't appear to be happening this year. So I'm more than willing to go with someone who is in between Hoyer and an HOFer if it means I don't have to watch Hoyer take the field for my team. There is no perfect guy for this team this year that they can get their hands on. So find someone better than what you have and keep improving. Not you specifically, but this place can be so binary sometimes.
 
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sandman said:
So do you consider them to be on the same level as far as QB's go?

I'm not trying to ask leading questions. But at 1:22 we aren't getting either of the two potentially NFL-ready QB's in the draft. And so far this off season any mention of a FA has elicited the "pointy elbows" comments.

I want someone better than Hoyer. I would like it to be the guy who will be the franchise QB for the next decade. That doesn't appear to be happening this year. So I'm more than willing to go with someone who is in between Hoyer and an HOFer if it means I don't have to watch Hoyer take the field for my team. There is no perfect guy for this team this year that they can get their hands on. So find someone better than what you have and keep improving. Not you specifically, but this place can be so binary sometimes.
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I respect and agree with everything you just said. And no, I don't have them on the same level. I have Kap one level above, but Hoyer is on the bottom rung so that's not praise.

I don't want Hoyer here next year. But Kap isn't the kind of replacement I'm looking for. If he didn't win with the NFC All Pro team behind him it's not going to happen. And his flaws have only been exposed more as he gets more experienced.

He comes in at a high dollar, which means that he will be treated like a franchise QB. The fans can disagree all they want but that is what will happen. With his contract, the front office will force him into the franchise QB role at the expense of better options down the road, because they will have to justify their investment.

That means a multi-year experiment on a guy that got benched for Blaine Gabbert.

I understand the temptation to do something just to do something, but that's not the right move. We need to move on the right guy, and that means finding him in the draft. That doesn't mean taking one just to take one. It means finding the right one and then biting the bullett and making a move for him.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'd just as soon as take Cook. Still, I'd be more excited about trading for Kaepernick.

I understand long term, Goff, Wentz, or whoever may be better for the long term. & I'm obviously in the minority.

We get Kaepernick & I feel we have a chance to win SuperBowl LI. We draft a guy... maybe we win make the playoffs next season, as a wild card. Maybe.
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^California dreamin'...
 
bah007 said:
I respect and agree with everything you just said. And no, I don't have them on the same level. I have Kap one level above, but Hoyer is on the bottom rung so that's not praise.

I don't want Hoyer here next year. But Kap isn't the kind of replacement I'm looking for. If he didn't win with the NFC All Pro team behind him it's not going to happen. And his flaws have only been exposed more as he gets more experienced.

He comes in at a high dollar, which means that he will be treated like a franchise QB. The fans can disagree all they want but that is what will happen. With his contract, the front office will force him into the franchise QB role at the expense of better options down the road, because they will have to justify their investment.

That means a multi-year experiment on a guy that got benched for Blaine Gabbert.

I understand the temptation to do something just to do something, but that's not the right move. We need to move on the right guy, and that means finding him in the draft. That doesn't mean taking one just to take one. It means finding the right one and then biting the bullett and making a move for him.
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Not saying I want Kap, for the record. What I don't want is Hoyer.
 
bah007 said:
Oh I see a huge difference. I saw a SF team that had 2 pro bowlers on the OL, a pro bowl TE, and an elite RB still in the back end of his prime. And they were supported by a defense that had 6 pro bowlers. That's over half the starting unit.

Those teams had a legitimate argument as only being a QB away from winning it all and didn't get it done.

Oh, and the year before Kap played Alex Smith took them to the conference championship game, where they lost in OT in a game where their PR fumbled three times and handed the Giants 10 of their 20 points. But you know, Kap did all that. He's the greatest.

Go back and look at those SF teams and tell me where you think the difference lies. It sure as he'll isn't the gap between Kap and Hoyer.
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I'm not saying Kaepernick did all that. Just that he was a part of it.

But we've had some really good defenses in the past. We had a pro bowl tight end of our own & three pro bowlers on our offensive line at one time. We got to the divisional round.

Flaws in his game... sure. & generally speaking, he's not the type of QB I usually support. Romo, Cam, Vick... yeah, I love watching them play, but I don't want them on my team. I think Kaepernick is different. I think he's special, a franchise QB. I'd love to have him on this team & anything Rick can do to make it happen, I'd be behind it 100%.
 
bah007 said:
I understand the temptation to do something just to do something, but that's not the right move. We need to move on the right guy, and that means finding him in the draft. That doesn't mean taking one just to take one. It means finding the right one and then biting the bullett and making a move for him.
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I understand. But I'm not in the "Let's do something, just to do something." crowd. Heck, I've been hoping at least O'b come out very strongly in favor of Tom Savage.

I think Kaepernick could be the right one, I'd be behind biting that bullett & making a move for him.

Keep in mind at one point I thought Jake Plummer was special as well.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I understand. But I'm not in the "Let's do something, just to do something." crowd. Heck, I've been hoping at least O'b come out very strongly in favor of Tom Savage.

I think Kaepernick could be the right one, I'd be behind biting that bullett & making a move for him.

Keep in mind at one point I thought Jake Plummer was special as well.
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As I've mentioned before, I think the CBA is really screwing teams and players alike. There should be no reason that coaches and QB's can't get together and study film and things like that. No on the field things, just going over the mental side. OB doesn't have the chance to see where Savage is.
 
thunderkyss said:
I understand. But I'm not in the "Let's do something, just to do something." crowd. Heck, I've been hoping at least O'b come out very strongly in favor of Tom Savage.

I think Kaepernick could be the right one, I'd be behind biting that bullett & making a move for him.

Keep in mind at one point I thought Jake Plummer was special as well.
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As I've mentioned before, I think the CBA is really screwing teams and players alike. There should be no reason that coaches and QB's can't get together and study film and things like that. No on the field things, just going over the mental side. OB doesn't have the chance to see where Savage is under current rules.
 
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DocBar said:
As I've mentioned before, I think the CBA is really screwing teams and players alike. There should be no reason that coaches and QB's can't get together and study film and things like that. No on the field things, just going over the mental side. OB doesn't have the chance to see where Savage is.
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He knew where Savage was at the end of the season.
 
Marshall said:
The best way to go broke without improving the team is to gamble just because you have Cap Space. You have money to spend WISELY if you wish to improve the team. But high risk gambling shouldn't be an option.
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Agreed... but that is my point! because his contract carries no dead money with it once he is traded, then it doesn't threaten the team's future cap.
 
DocBar said:
As I've mentioned before, I think the CBA is really screwing teams and players alike. There should be no reason that coaches and QB's can't get together and study film and things like that. No on the field things, just going over the mental side. OB doesn't have the chance to see where Savage is under current rules.
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it is not knowing where someone is or isn't, it is not being able to improve him from that spot that's the problem with the CBA.
 
dalemurphy said:
Agreed... but that is my point! because his contract carries no dead money with it once he is traded, then it doesn't threaten the team's future cap.
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I personally think he cost is too high for a trade, but would consider him at a lower cost as a FA after he's cut.
 
Marshall said:
I personally think he cost is too high for a trade, but would consider him at a lower cost as a FA after he's cut.
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However, a team can avoid bidding against others in the free agent market and also avoid the consequences of a signing bonus with a trade. So, for teams well under this year's cap, it may make sense to give up a late round pick and pay a premium in salary to get him under your rough and your control for 2016, with what would essentially be three one year team options after that.
 
Wait people actually want a QB who can only read half the field, had an affair with a teammates girlfriend and looks like Squidward from Spongebob?

I have seen it all.
 
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People act like 12m on a yr to yr deal for a guy 27 with playoff success is alot of money. The only qbs making that kind of money are rookies or nobodies. We gonna act like Rivers, whom everyone loves didnt have a top defense, and 2 all time greats in gates and lt and went nowhere.
 
leebigeztx said:
People act like 12m on a yr to yr deal for a guy 27 with playoff success is alot of money. The only qbs making that kind of money are rookies or nobodies. We gonna act like Rivers, whom everyone loves didnt have a top defense, and 2 all time greats in gates and lt and went nowhere.
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He's not a rookie so you're saying he's a nobody? I think that is why many don't want Kaepernick
 
leebigeztx said:
People act like 12m on a yr to yr deal for a guy 27 with playoff success is alot of money. The only qbs making that kind of money are rookies or nobodies. We gonna act like Rivers, whom everyone loves didnt have a top defense, and 2 all time greats in gates and lt and went nowhere.
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that or maybe his terrible QB rating and piss poor accuracy?
 
We've just witnessed a guy win mvp and take his team to the super bowl because the coaches designed the offense for him. The gm has repeatedly said they get wrs with large catch radius because Cam misses high. They put is designed runs, his legs opened everything up to the tune of the highest scoring team in nfl with ted ginn,philly brown,and a rookie at wr. Wasnt long ago the same was done for Kaepernick and they went to championship game and superbowl. I'm not here to say he's the greatest or the texans will win the superbowl, but good coaching can get him where he needs to be.
 
Jeez this board has lost it. No matter who we get most of you guys are going to be pissed. There are only a handful of legit franchise QBs and NONE are attainable. We aren't getting Tom freakin Brady. You guys need to tone down your expectations. Kap isnt perfect by any means but hes had success, hes still young and hes better than anything we currently have. On top of that, getting him doesn't mean you change your draft strategy.
 
mussop said:
No matter who we get most of you guys are going to be pissed.
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Well, YEAH. That's because a forum isn't a monolithic entity with a single opinion. We're more like a confederacy where everyone has a semi-unique opinion. Any action is going to make a lot of people throw up their hands. That's life on the internetz.
 
mussop said:
Jeez this board has lost it. No matter who we get most of you guys are going to be pissed. There are only a handful of legit franchise QBs and NONE are attainable. We aren't getting Tom freakin Brady. You guys need to tone down your expectations. Kap isnt perfect by any means but hes had success, hes still young and hes better than anything we currently have. On top of that, getting him doesn't mean you change your draft strategy.
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Well there you go. Mussop has spoken, in capitals no less.
 
mussop said:
Jeez this board has lost it. No matter who we get most of you guys are going to be pissed. There are only a handful of legit franchise QBs and NONE are attainable. We aren't getting Tom freakin Brady. You guys need to tone down your expectations. Kap isnt perfect by any means but hes had success, hes still young and hes better than anything we currently have. On top of that, getting him doesn't mean you change your draft strategy.
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Well there you go. Mussop has spoken, in capitals no less.

Abandon hope. There is NONE QB who can ever be in Houston. Can't happen.
 
If it means anything... I've scoured the interwebz looking for the reported rumors, but all I've seen are guys prognosticating Houston to be a likely destination. So I don't know that there's any real "rumor" out there or just a lot of "spitballing." But now, I'm leaning towards the latter.
 
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mussop said:
Jeez this board has lost it. No matter who we get most of you guys are going to be pissed. There are only a handful of legit franchise QBs and NONE are attainable. We aren't getting Tom freakin Brady. You guys need to tone down your expectations. Kap isnt perfect by any means but hes had success, hes still young and hes better than anything we currently have. On top of that, getting him doesn't mean you change your draft strategy.
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I think the reality is that no matter what the "solution" whether trade, free agent or draft pick, the Texans will still have more questions than answers concerning the QB that first week in September. The best solutions with the fewest questions will mean either trading of significant assets and/or spending a whole lot of money for a dude who is far from guaranteed to succeed but has a better chance than what the Texans have. Nobody is jumping for joy for that.
 
dalemurphy said:
San Fran does... However, the signing bonuses and most other guaranteed bonus money doesn't transfer to a new team on a trade. Instead, those items accelerate as dead money for the team that cuts or trades the player.
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yeah..I thought you said there was no dead $ for SF.
 
It'll be very interesting to see who actually ends up with Kaepernick. Whatever team signs him better beware...........beyond his already known question marks. Kaepernick went on IR for a non-throwing left shoulder injury last November. He subsequently underwent a labrum repair. Then in January, he also underwent a right thumb surgery for ligament damage he sustained last mid October. Playing through such an unstable injury can certainly contribute to permanent joint cartilage damage. At the same time that he underwent a left knee arthroscopy for floating pieces in the joint, likely meniscus plus or minus articular cartilage. These pieces were removed, and the joint was drained. He essentially was playing through significant pain and swelling in this knee since the beginning of last November when he actually sustained the injury. Again, playing on this painful, swollen knee would have only created more damage in the joint.

Basic recovery from all these injuries/surgeries is likely by the Draft. However, besides concerns of his style of play, what the residual of their effects on his future joint health and performance is still to be seen.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It'll be very interesting to see who actually ends up with Kaepernick. Whatever team signs him better beware...........beyond his already known question marks. Kaepernick went on IR for a non-throwing left shoulder injury last November. He subsequently underwent a labrum repair. Then in January, he also underwent a right thumb surgery for ligament damage he sustained last mid October. Playing through such an unstable injury can certainly contribute to permanent joint cartilage damage. At the same time that he underwent a left knee arthroscopy for floating pieces in the joint, likely meniscus plus or minus articular cartilage. These pieces were removed, and the joint was drained. He essentially was playing through significant pain and swelling in this knee since the beginning of last November when he actually sustained the injury. Again, playing on this painful, swollen knee would have only created more damage in the joint.

Basic recovery from all these injuries/surgeries is likely by the Draft. However, besides concerns of his style of play, what the residual of their effects on his future joint health and performance is still to be seen.
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Doc,

I wonder if the dullass crowd reads this board? If they do, based on your assessment, they should be filling their pants if they are still trying for Kap.
 
Oops!

49ers may already be stuck with Kaepernick’s 2016 salary

The trio of offseason surgeries to Kaepernick (including a left shoulder procedure that landed him on IR in November) may have already tied the team’s hands as to the $11.9 million in salary owed to Kaepernick in 2016. Technically guaranteed for injury only until April 1, if the 49ers were to cut him while still injured they likely would owe him the money — even if Kaepernick later becomes healthy.

Per a source with knowledge of the NFL Players Association’s position on the matter, the union would argue that cutting Kaepernick before April 1, if he’s still injured, results in the salary becoming fully guaranteed and unavoidable, absent whatever offset the 49ers would receive if/when Kaepernick signs with another team in 2016. But he could take a one-year, minimum-salary deal elsewhere if he wanted, with the 49ers on the hook for the difference between what he gets in a new city and the $11.9 million.

Common sense would suggest that cutting Kaepernick before the salary becomes fully guaranteed would keep the team on the hook only if he’s still injured when the regular season arrives, since the money was guaranteed for injury only prior to April 1. But Article 44 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which sets forth the procedure for an injury grievance, generally defines the term broadly to encompass any situation in which a player contract is terminated at a time when the player “was physically unable to perform the services required of him by that contract because of an injury incurred in the performance of his services under that contract.”

In other words, if a player is injured at the time a payment becomes due or an existing obligation becomes fully guaranteed, he can’t be cut. If he is, he gets whatever money he would have earned if he hadn’t been cut.

On the surface, it’s irrelevant because the 49ers continue to say that they’re keeping Kaepernick beyond April 1. Which isn’t simply puffing, as one source with knowledge of the situation told PFT.

But the truth is that the 49ers, who aspire to “win with class,” apparently won’t be rolling the dice on the nothing-to-lose argument that ditching an injured Kaepernick before his salary becomes fully guaranteed avoids the obligation. It doesn’t mean he can’t later be traded, but whoever would acquire his services would be stuck with the full salary. And once the full salary becomes fully guaranteed, Kaepernick has far less of a reason to take less in order to facilitate a trade.

To summarize, the 49ers can dump Kaepernick and avoid the $11.9 million in guaranteed 2016 salary only if he passes a physical before Friday. Currently, there’s no indication that he’s able to do so.
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I was reading that the Broncos don't have salary cap to sign him. They need to move Clady and possibly their punter.

Broncos face salary-cap challenges to make deal for Colin Kaepernick, prepare for draft; LINK


The Broncos ended business Friday, even as they tried to close a deal with Kaepernick, with $1.62 million worth of salary cap room, according to the NFL Players Association. That is barely enough room for them to pay their first-round selection in the coming draft and certainly not in the same salary-cap galaxy to add Kaepernick's contract as it stands. Kaepernick, if he doesn't make any changes to his contract, is due $11.9 million base salary for the 2016 season.

Tackle Ryan Clady continues to be the potential starting point in any work on the salary cap. The Broncos signed two free agent tackles -- Donald Stephenson and Russell Okung -- who project to be their starters, while Clady carries a $10.1 million salary-cap figure and has spent two of the last three seasons on injured reserve.
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