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2016 Combine Thread

WolverineFan said:
I see Cook as a Cutler/Dalton type QB. Good enough to help a team, not good enough to carry one.

Upgrade on Hoyer? Absolutely. "Franchise QB"? I don't think so.
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For some reason I'm just not a big fan of Michigan St. QB's.

Cousins = overrated
Hoyer = terrible
Cook = TBD
 
Worst case scenario for Cardale Jones. Pulled hammy. Not going to do drills. This is his kind of environment. No defenders, no pass rush, no progressions. Just do a drop and let it rip. Let the scouts drool over the arm strength and forget about the awful tape.

Now he's going to miss the opportunity on the biggest stage to fool a team with his arm.
 
thunderkyss said:
With as many QB needy teams, I wonder why they only project two, maybe three, being taken in the first round?
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Personally, I only have Goff and Wentz with a 1st round grade. After those two we have a very significant drop off. You have some decent options but they all have big warts. Some of those guys may sneak up because QB will always be a priority in the draft, but I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable using a 1st on anyone other than the top two.
 
DocBar said:
Kirwin and Miller were very complimentary of Cook on Sirius NFL. They said that the leadership issue was the biggest concern for him and that he had the best mechanics of the group of QB's he threw with.
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His mechanics are extremely solid. That's what makes his accuracy problem in games so scary for me. It doesn't look fixable.
 
Tajae Sharpe had the best day out of WR group 2. Other guys who looked sharp were Sterling Sheperd, Laquon Treadwell, and De'Runnya Wilson.
 
bah007 said:
His mechanics are extremely solid. That's what makes his accuracy problem in games so scary for me. It doesn't look fixable.
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I haven't watched much of him. What kind of passing attack did the Spartan's use?
 
WolverineFan said:
Worst case scenario for Cardale Jones. Pulled hammy. Not going to do drills. This is his kind of environment. No defenders, no pass rush, no progressions. Just do a drop and let it rip. Let the scouts drool over the arm strength and forget about the awful tape.

Now he's going to miss the opportunity on the biggest stage to fool a team with his arm.
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Jones has had 9 career starts..can we say soph and would of been the #3 qb taken last year based on his performance on the field not his arm strength

how well did Cam Newton play in his freshman year at Florida? 40 yards on 5-of-10 and rushing 16 times for 103 yards. Started How was Bradys freshman season? What I've seen from Cardale Jones is the ego to handle playing in front of millions, a big arm, strong NFL body, touch on shorter throws, makes plays when the pocket collapses and the willingness to bury his head a take a hit whether running for a 1st down or take a hit when passing the ball.

also see an immature freshman/soph...shocking
On November 21, 2008, Newton was arrested on felony charges of burglary, larceny, and obstruction of justice on an accusation that he stole a laptop computer from another University of Florida student



my point is Jones has Cam Newton like talent BUT hasn't played 4 years of college ball. Newton had 12 starts in Blinn JC and 14 at Auburn. Jones was a 1st rd lock after 3 games his freshman season. A bad fit for the Texans being a playoff team needing to win now not wait 2/3 years for Jones to develop but don't undersell the kid. He has serious talent.
 
poplarbluffman said:
A bad fit for the Texans being a playoff team needing to win now not wait 2/3 years for Jones to develop but don't undersell the kid. He has serious talent.
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Don't like Jones and disagree with this assessment. The Texans need a QB for the next decade+ more than they need making the playoffs next year.
 
poplarbluffman said:
Jones has had 9 career starts..can we say soph and would of been the #3 qb taken last year based on his performance on the field not his arm strength

how well did Cam Newton play in his freshman year at Florida? 40 yards on 5-of-10 and rushing 16 times for 103 yards. Started How was Bradys freshman season? What I've seen from Cardale Jones is the ego to handle playing in front of millions, a big arm, strong NFL body, touch on shorter throws, makes plays when the pocket collapses and the willingness to bury his head a take a hit whether running for a 1st down or take a hit when passing the ball.

also see an immature freshman/soph...shocking
On November 21, 2008, Newton was arrested on felony charges of burglary, larceny, and obstruction of justice on an accusation that he stole a laptop computer from another University of Florida student



my point is Jones has Cam Newton like talent BUT hasn't played 4 years of college ball. Newton had 12 starts in Blinn JC and 14 at Auburn. Jones was a 1st rd lock after 3 games his freshman season. A bad fit for the Texans being a playoff team needing to win now not wait 2/3 years for Jones to develop but don't undersell the kid. He has serious talent.
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No, he absolutely was not. He had 2 pass attempts his redshirt freshman season. His redshirt sophomore season he had 17 pass attempts while playing 3rd string behind a future WR and a freshman. After injuries he came in and completed 15 passes per game while Ezekiel Elliott ran for 700 yards and 8 TD's over 3 games and his defense held opponents to 21 ppg less than their season average.

He then came back for his redshirt junior year and got benched. He doesn't have "serious talent". He has a cannon arm and not much else. A fact evidenced by him being 3rd string his entire career and then getting benched after the job was handed to him.

Also, the Cam Newton comparison is ridiculous. Cam took over an 8-5 team and went 14-0 with them. They then went 8-5 without him. Cardale came in for an 11-1 team and went 3-0 with them leaning heavily on the supporting cast. He did not carry them like Cam did so the comparison is way off base.

He then got benched the next year. That same OSU team is on the cusp of possibly breaking the record for NFL draftees in a single year. Think about that. He played with possibly the most talented supporting cast in history (1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 OL will get drafted in first 3 rounds) and still got benched.
 
I was disappointed in Sudfeld. I've had him at the top of that kind of mid-round QB group where nobody really sticks out, but his mechanics looked really bad and he was spraying the ball all over. Him and Hackenberg stuck out like sore thumbs today.
 
WolverineFan said:
I was disappointed in Sudfeld. I've had him at the top of that kind of mid-round QB group where nobody really sticks out, but his mechanics looked really bad and he was spraying the ball all over. Him and Hackenberg stuck out like sore thumbs today.
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I think it boils down to you take a QB in the 1st no matter what or you pick the BPA and roll the dice in the 2nd . It seems there's two that are way ahead of everyone else and then it drops off .
 
Wasn't all that impressed with Hunter Henry. I thought Vannett (Ohio State) looked the best in drills. Adams (South Carolina) looked like the most athletic.

Henry seems to be the main beneficiary of there being no elite TE in this draft. Everyone is looking for a consensus #1 and most are targeting Henry, but I'm just not seeing him as anything special. He doesn't look like a 1st round pick.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Nerve damage is funny......in some instances, return can be fairly quick, but in many case, return is slow.......and again the end point can remain elusive. I hope Smith falls in the former category, but even so his Draft spot will be affected.
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Apparently serious nerve damage to his knee and ankle..... out for 2016 and could be longer

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--3-teams-take-lb-jaylon-smith-out-of-draft-pools-until-medical-re-examination-of-knee-232859939.html
 
Tough news on Smith. Pre-injury I thought he was one of the top 3 talents in this draft. ILB in the mold of Kuechly and Willis. Such a shame. That nerve damage is the same thing that Marcus Lattimore couldn't recover from when he hurt his knee and had to retire.

At least Smith has an insurance policy. I believe his insurance policy is that he gets $700k if he drops out of the 1st round and then $100k for every pick he drops after that with the value maxing out at $5M. So if he gets drafted #35 overall he would get $1M. If he gets drafted after #75 overall he gets $5M. With talks of him maybe dropping into the 3rd round he may be able to collect most of that insurance money.
 
Texian said:
Apparently serious nerve damage to his knee and ankle..... out for 2016 and could be longer

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--3-teams-take-lb-jaylon-smith-out-of-draft-pools-until-medical-re-examination-of-knee-232859939.html
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It is curious to me that Smith would say that surgery revealed that the peroneal nerve was not stretched, since surgical exploration does not necessarily encounter any overt visual signs of the nerve being stretched. The nerve could have been stretched during the dislocation without findings at surgery to diagnose the damage visually. This is important to understand in that, in comparison to transection, stretching of the nerve can still result in significant neurologic damage.:
J Bone Joint Surg Br. 2005 May;87(5):664-7.
Palsy of the common peroneal nerve after traumatic dislocation of the knee.
Niall DM1, Nutton RW, Keating JF.
Author information
Abstract
Injury to the common peroneal nerve was present in 14 of 55 patients (25%) with dislocation of the knee. All underwent ligament reconstruction. The most common presenting direction of the dislocation was anterior or anteromedial with associated disruption of both cruciate ligaments and the posterolateral structures of the knee. Palsy [motor deficit] of the common peroneal nerve was present in 14 of 34 (41%) of these patients. Complete rupture of the nerve was seen in four patients and a lesion in continuity [the nerve was left intact as is the case with Smith] in ten. Three patients with lesions in continuity, but with less than 7 cm of the nerve involved, had complete recovery within six to 18 months. In the remaining seven with more extensive lesions, two regained no motor function, and one had only MRC grade-2 function. Four patients regained some weak dorsiflexion or eversion (MRC grade 3 or 4). Some sensory recovery occurred in all seven of these patients, but was incomplete. In summary, complete recovery occurred in three (21%) and partial recovery of useful motor function in four (29%). In the other seven (50%) no useful motor or sensory function returned.
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so much for signing Cordy Glenn as a FA, Rapoport reporting Bills plan to use franchise tag.

Rapoport also reporting Texans are interested in trading for Kaepernick.
 
Recap on field drills for DL group 1. I thought Sheldon Day and Kenny Clark had the best workouts by far. Both are interior guys and are very fluid, especially Day. He was actually so athletic in DL drills that they asked him to do the OLB drills with the other edge guys.

For the edge guys I thought Shilique Calhoun easily had the best day. Looked good in both DL and OLB drills. Correa looked good in the OLB drills but as a smaller guy (243) he should look good. Matt Judon also looked better in OLB drills than DL drills which was surprising for a 270 guy. Bosa looked solid. I definitely prefer him as a 4-3 end more than a 3-4 edge guy.
 
PapaL said:
Only for the long legged hahaha
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WolverineFan said:
No, he absolutely was not. He had 2 pass attempts his redshirt freshman season. His redshirt sophomore season he had 17 pass attempts while playing 3rd string behind a future WR and a freshman. After injuries he came in and completed 15 passes per game while Ezekiel Elliott ran for 700 yards and 8 TD's over 3 games and his defense held opponents to 21 ppg less than their season average.

He then came back for his redshirt junior year and got benched. He doesn't have "serious talent". He has a cannon arm and not much else. A fact evidenced by him being 3rd string his entire career and then getting benched after the job was handed to him.

Also, the Cam Newton comparison is ridiculous. Cam took over an 8-5 team and went 14-0 with them. They then went 8-5 without him. Cardale came in for an 11-1 team and went 3-0 with them leaning heavily on the supporting cast. He did not carry them like Cam did so the comparison is way off base.

He then got benched the next year. That same OSU team is on the cusp of possibly breaking the record for NFL draftees in a single year. Think about that. He played with possibly the most talented supporting cast in history (1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 OL will get drafted in first 3 rounds) and still got benched.
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Yep,,plus Cam ran a 4.5 in the 40.
 
Recap on DL group 2. Interior group was not as good as earlier group. Sheldon Rankins looked pretty good but overall it seems like the meat of that group went in group 1.

Edge group in group 2 was way better than group 1. Emmanuel Ogbah and Shaq Lawson both looked good in both sides of the drill (DL and OLB). Spence was better in OLB drills than DL. Yannick Ngakoue looked phenomenal though. Especially in OLB drills. I think he might work his way into the 1st round. He's very underrated.

If I had to say one interior guy and one edge guy who really helped themselves today it's Kenny Clark and Yannick Ngakoue.
 
I only watched a chunk of one Maryland game all year, and Ngakoue leapt off the screen as a legit NFL pass rusher.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I only watched a chunk of one Maryland game all year, and Ngakoue leapt off the screen as a legit NFL pass rusher.
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I watched him against Michigan, Michigan State, and Iowa this year and he ate up the OT's in those games (who are pretty good players). I had him pegged as a 2nd rounder. Very explosive but a bit undersized.

Watching him next to Spence I think he's more fluid and more natural playing on the edge and Spence is the same guy who was unblockable at the Senior Bowl. He's no chump.
 
LB group was a tad underwhelming in the field. A lot of guys just weren't fluid and lacked explosion. I was very underwhelmed with Scooby Wright. He is just not a good athlete. He was very productive in college but I'm just not sure that production will translate. A guy like Matakevich is an average athlete at the position yet he blows Wright away when lined up next to him.

A few guys looked good. Joe Schobert looked very good and Blake Martinez and Jordan Jenkins were very fluid. The top of the group (Ragland and Lee) were solid. Floyd was out after hurting his hamstring in the forty.
 
DB group 1 field recap. Pretty good group overall. Vernon Hargreaves was very fluid. Very smooth transitions with no wasted movement and he catches the ball really well. William Jackson is a rocket. He puts his foot in the ground and explodes. Cyrus Jones was the best technician in all the drills, which is no surprise whatsoever coming from a Saban kid.

Very small Safety group in the first group. KJ Dillon easily had the best field workout which isn't surprising considering the guys he was working alongside.
 
WolverineFan said:
LB group was a tad underwhelming in the field. A lot of guys just weren't fluid and lacked explosion. I was very underwhelmed with Scooby Wright. He is just not a good athlete. He was very productive in college but I'm just not sure that production will translate. A guy like Matakevich is an average athlete at the position yet he blows Wright away when lined up next to him.

A few guys looked good. Joe Schobert looked very good and Blake Martinez and Jordan Jenkins were very fluid. The top of the group (Ragland and Lee) were solid. Floyd was out after hurting his hamstring in the forty.
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I agree on Scooby who just doesn't support his stats when I watched him. If he goes to just the right system and has a very good guy next to him, he could succeed. I marked him off my list about half through season.

Blake Martinez remains on my current Texans mock in 6th (only because he is ranked so low); weeks ago I had him in fourth. This low eval puzzles me as did Texans Bullough who was not drafted. When I argued on his behalf, I was told Bullough did not fit Houston's defense. He seems to be doing okay though. * I am not comparing the players just the situation.
 
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