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2016 Combine Thread

JB

JB

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I know it's way to early, but might as well get started with combine and pro day info now... Post here any news you might come across, maybe shrine game and senior bowl could go here also
 
Can someone tell me what's wrong with Kevin Hogan? I don't want to start a thread for the guy, since it looks like there isn't much interest in him, here, in the media, anywhere... why not? He's as prototypical as they come. He's not Mariota athletic, but he's not a slug by any means.
 
thunderkyss said:
Can someone tell me what's wrong with Kevin Hogan? I don't want to start a thread for the guy, since it looks like there isn't much interest in him, here, in the media, anywhere... why not? He's as prototypical as they come. He's not Mariota athletic, but he's not a slug by any means.
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Hogan had some pretty bad disappointing games as Junior that has turned some off on Hogan being an Elite QB. What Hogan has shown is that he can be an average game manager but lacks the abilities to deliver in situations when his team really needs him to.
 
Texian said:
Hogan had some pretty bad disappointing games as Junior that has turned some off on Hogan being an Elite QB. What Hogan has shown is that he can be an average game manager but lacks the abilities to deliver in situations when his team really needs him to.
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Not to mention his god awful throwing motion. His release takes an eternity. Tebow-esque.
 
thunderkyss said:
Can someone tell me what's wrong with Kevin Hogan? I don't want to start a thread for the guy, since it looks like there isn't much interest in him, here, in the media, anywhere... why not? He's as prototypical as they come. He's not Mariota athletic, but he's not a slug by any means.
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Without going into detail I got tired of saying "well crap! Why did he do that?" every time I watched him.
 
A guy that really impresses me that is under rated is Brandon Allen from Arkansas. I am very excited he got into the Senior Bowl. I think he can really climb the draft boards. Good vision, good size, good arm strength, comes from a very pro ready offense. He is a steady calming QB that protects the ball and has an SEC pedigree. I am paying a lot of attention to him going forward.
 
thunderkyss said:
Can someone tell me what's wrong with Kevin Hogan? I don't want to start a thread for the guy, since it looks like there isn't much interest in him, here, in the media, anywhere... why not? He's as prototypical as they come. He's not Mariota athletic, but he's not a slug by any means.
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His release makes Tebow's look like Marino's.
 
thunderkyss said:
Can someone tell me what's wrong with Kevin Hogan? I don't want to start a thread for the guy, since it looks like there isn't much interest in him, here, in the media, anywhere... why not? He's as prototypical as they come. He's not Mariota athletic, but he's not a slug by any means.
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His release makes Tebow's look like Marino's.
 
not sure where to post this but does anyone know what happened to the site secondroundstats.com have they moved somewhere, i really enjoyed reading their stuff entering draft season.
 
WolverineFan said:
Not to mention his god awful throwing motion. His release takes an eternity. Tebow-esque.
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I don't remember ever seeing such a low point from where the forward motion begins. It's like barely above waist level. I can see a ton of strip sacks happening with this guy unless they alter his motion. Now I do like that he's from Stanford so he's smart, played against good competition and looks like good arm strength.
 
NFL to ban troubled players from combine, draft events
By Aaron Wilson

February 9, 2016 Updated: February 9, 2016 12:33pm

The NFL is taking a step toward trying to deter teams from drafting prospects with a checkered past, albeit a somewhat cosmetic move.

The NFL has adopted a new rule banning draft prospects from the NFL scouting combine or attending the NFL draft if they've been convicted of felony or misdemeanor domestic violence, sexual assault or weapons charges, according to NFL executive vice president of football operations and retired former NFL cornerback Troy Vincent.

"It is important for us to remain strongly committed to league values as we demonstrate to our fans, future players, coaches, general managers and others who support our game that character matters," Vincent wrote in a memo to NFL teams.

However, the rule doesn't prevent teams from drafting players who's been convicted of those crimes. So, it's something of a public-relations move that suggests the league doesn't want to appear to be endorsing a prospect with a significant criminal background at high-profile, nationally televised league events like the scouting combine and the draft.

If a player refuses to participate in a background check, they're not allowed to attend any NFL events.

However, there are no restrictions on players attending private workouts or regional combines or visits to NFL facilities if they fall into this categories of being convicted of domestic violence, sexual assault or weapons crimes or refusing to submit to the background check.

This could have affected Seattle Seahawks defensive end Frank Clark last year. He was drafted in the second round after attending the scouting combine after reaching a plea agreement for a domestic violence case in Ohio, an incident that got him kicked off the Michigan football team.

While Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback and top overall pick Jameis Winston was investigated for an alleged sexual assault while attending Florida State, he was never convicted of a crime.
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I guess vetting the prospects for the new combine restrictions is causing the delay in invitation announcements.
 
I'm curious to see how Shadrach Thornton (RB, NC State) does at the Combine. He's pretty physically gifted but ran into constant problems in school with suspensions and finally getting dismissed.

I don't think I would draft a guy with so many red flags but he might be worth a camp invite.
 
Here is everything you need to know about the combine:

2016 NFL SCOUTING COMBINE:

What: A job interview of sorts for 332 of the top prospects in the 2016 NFL Draft field, who meet with NFL teams, undergo medical exams, participate in interviews and aptitude testing, and work out in on-field drills.

When: Tuesday, Feb. 23 to Monday, Feb. 29.

Where: Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.

Media days: Players, head coaches and front office executives will meet with reporters on Feb. 24-27. Media members are also able to attend select football-related workouts.

Television: NFL Network will broadcast the combine. Their coverage will start at 12 p.m. on Feb. 24-25, then start at 9 a.m. on Feb. 26-29. NFL Network will broadcast both on-field workouts and press conferences.

Live stream: You can watch all combine coverage on NFL Combine Live. Click here for the live stream.

Here is the complete combine schedule:

• Wednesday, Feb. 24: Media interviews for running backs, offensive linemen and specialists.

• Thursday, Feb. 25: Media interviews for quarterbacks, wide receivers and tight ends.
• Friday, Feb. 26: Media interviews for defensive linemen and linebackers; On-field workouts for running backs, offensive linemen and specialists.
• Saturday, Feb. 27: Media interviews for defensive backs; On-field workouts for quarterbacks, wide receivers and tight ends.
• Sunday, Feb. 28: On-field workouts for defensive linemen and linebackers.
• Monday, Feb. 29: On-field workouts for defensive backs.

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index....v_channel_live_stream_schedule_of_events.html
 
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Vernon Adams (Oregon), Joel Stave (Wisconsin), and Josh Woodrum (Liberty) will be the "throwing QB's" at the Combine. These guys don't test but they throw to RB's, WR's, and TE's while those guys are going through drills. Remember that this is how T.J. Yates ended up getting drafted.
 
Texian said:
Here is everything you need to know about the combine:

2016 NFL SCOUTING COMBINE:

What: A job interview of sorts for 332 of the top prospects in the 2016 NFL Draft field, who meet with NFL teams, undergo medical exams, participate in interviews and aptitude testing, and work out in on-field drills.

When: Tuesday, Feb. 23 to Monday, Feb. 29.

Where: Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.

Media days: Players, head coaches and front office executives will meet with reporters on Feb. 24-27. Media members are also able to attend select football-related workouts.

Television: NFL Network will broadcast the combine. Their coverage will start at 12 p.m. on Feb. 24-25, then start at 9 a.m. on Feb. 26-29. NFL Network will broadcast both on-field workouts and press conferences.

Live stream: You can watch all combine coverage on NFL Combine Live. Click here for the live stream.

Here is the complete combine schedule:

• Wednesday, Feb. 24: Media interviews for running backs, offensive linemen and specialists.

• Thursday, Feb. 25: Media interviews for quarterbacks, wide receivers and tight ends.
• Friday, Feb. 26: Media interviews for defensive linemen and linebackers; On-field workouts for running backs, offensive linemen and specialists.
• Saturday, Feb. 27: Media interviews for defensive backs; On-field workouts for quarterbacks, wide receivers and tight ends.
• Sunday, Feb. 28: On-field workouts for defensive linemen and linebackers.
• Monday, Feb. 29: On-field workouts for defensive backs.

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index....v_channel_live_stream_schedule_of_events.html
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BUMP - Because. This. Is. COMBINE WEEK.

Television: NFL Network will broadcast the combine. Their coverage will start at 12 p.m. on Feb. 24-25, then start at 9 a.m. on Feb. 26-29. NFL Network will broadcast both on-field workouts and press conferences.
 
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Today at 11:00AM TEXAS TIME, The NFL Combine Television Schedule, begins with Press Interviews. See NFL Network.
 
Thought Bill Belichick made a great point last week about how the Combine has changed for the worse. All these prospects are now doing specialized training for the drills and dieting to add/lose weight to get to the ideal weight that scouts want to see. It's kind of a facade. It's smoke and mirrors.

It used to be a guy would show up and run a 3-cone drill and you'd be like "okay so that's how well he changes direction and accelerates". Now a guy shows up and does it and it's "okay so that's how well he runs the 3-cone drill". It's no longer a true indicator of athleticism because these guys are being so well trained on how to run the specific drill.

The athlete you're seeing at the Combine is no longer representative of the athlete you'll see on the field in OTA's.
 
WolverineFan said:
Thought Bill Belichick made a great point last week about how the Combine has changed for the worse. All these prospects are now doing specialized training for the drills and dieting to add/lose weight to get to the ideal weight that scouts want to see. It's kind of a facade. It's smoke and mirrors.

It used to be a guy would show up and run a 3-cone drill and you'd be like "okay so that's how well he changes direction and accelerates". Now a guy shows up and does it and it's "okay so that's how well he runs the 3-cone drill". It's no longer a true indicator of athleticism because these guys are being so well trained on how to run the specific drill.

The athlete you're seeing at the Combine is no longer representative of the athlete you'll see on the field in OTA's.
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So now it's not quite the spontaneous show of ability and it's a prepared set of techniques, but I don't think this has to be seen as a huge negative though. We still see guys show up underprepared. So who's going to prepare, who's going to show the care and concern to make themselves more appealing? And take a guy like Clowney for instance, he could have all the prep time and all the specialized trainers under the sun and he still will not be able to dip and bend the edge like a Von Miller. The combine put that on display. As for a guy being simply coached up for a specific drill, well, isn't that what we want guys to be able to display ... that they can focus and be coached up to accomplish specialized tasks not much differently than they would in a particular scheme on the team they'll actually play for?

I get that it has an air of guys just showing up with cheats ready for the test that they know the questions and answers to beforehand hand, but really the test is in how much they'll prepare and take this seriously and in how they can perform a given task when the spotlight is absolutely on them and everyone in the room knows it. Just like the league has taken a different shape in how guys are in shape and prepared nearly year round so has this particular job interview. I'm not sure it's such a bad thing really.
 
Interesting weigh-in note...Derrick Henry was (by far) the biggest RB at 6-3, 247 lbs. The next closest was Jordan Howard at 230.

Despite being that large, Henry had the 4th smallest hands out of the 22 RB's measured.
 
WolverineFan said:
Interesting weigh-in note...Derrick Henry was (by far) the biggest RB at 6-3, 247 lbs. The next closest was Jordan Howard at 230.

Despite being that large, Henry had the 4th smallest hands out of the 22 RB's measured.
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In his interview he tried to play it off. Said he usually plays around 241. I know he's a big guy, but that sounds a little too big. If he's at 235 for his pro day I'd be a little concerned about him managing his weight.

If he's still at 240 or above... I don't know if I'm interested in him as a running back.
 
thunderkyss said:
In his interview he tried to play it off. Said he usually plays around 241. I know he's a big guy, but that sounds a little too big. If he's at 235 for his pro day I'd be a little concerned about him managing his weight.

If he's still at 240 or above... I don't know if I'm interested in him as a running back.
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you didn't like "The Bus"?
 
thunderkyss said:
If he's still at 240 or above... I don't know if I'm interested in him as a running back.
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I'm not interested for two reasons not involving weight, 1. it takes time for Henry to get up to speed. 2. Runs up right. I'm guessing Henry will have a slow 10 yd split, which for me is more important than the 40 for RBs.
 
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JB said:
you didn't like "The Bus"?
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He didn't start at 270 did he?

I thought he gained weight as he aged. Can't imagine Henry after 5 years.

Then again I looked at Brandon Jacobs... he had a good 5 years in the league & didn't gain much during that time.

Still, that's a big boy & I want to see his pro day weight to see if he thinks it's a problem or not.

If he performs well in the explosive indicators (Texian may be on to something) & his pro day weighs in at 245 or so... then maybe.
 
My 2 sleeper RB's

Keith Marshall 5'11 219 lbs should run a low 40 time and move into the 4th rd range. Kelvin Taylor 5'10 207 lbs has a great skillset and should move into the 4-5th rd range.

Sleeper OL

Fahn Cooper 6'4 304 Lbs should have a good combine
Graham Glasgow 6'5 307 Lbs Strong as a bull (What do you think WF?) 10 yr starter.

Both of these guys should go in the 3rd-4th rd range.
 
The problem with Henry isn't that he's 240. The guy can run at that weight. He's a blazer out in the open field and is likely to run a pretty damn impressive forty for his size. The problem is that he's 6'3. He already runs upright and at that height he's just so long and its hard for him to change direction.

Bettis was 5'11. It didn't matter that he was 250+. The guy was a bowling ball that could stick his foot in the ground and cut because he had a low center of gravity. Henry doesn't have that.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Couldn't disagree more. I've seen Elliot a number of times redirect himself from one lane to another and then cut and take off.
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I would like to know when and where?Even in highlights he's running through canyons. I've watched enough of him to say I wouldn't draft him in the 1st rd. He doesnt pop through in tight quarters consistently.
 
leebigeztx said:
I would like to know when and where?Even in highlights he's running through canyons. I've watched enough of him to say I wouldn't draft him in the 1st rd. He doesnt pop through in tight quarters consistently.
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Michigan game is as good as any. He created lanes by making angles, he ran through tackles in and around the los to bust open chunks of yardage, he ran behind his pads to push forward when there was little or nothing. The kid dominated a tough, well disciplined defense that day.

That's not his only performance like that either.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Michigan game is as good as any. He created lanes by making angles, he ran through tackles in and around the los to bust open chunks of yardage, he ran behind his pads to push forward when there was little or nothing. The kid dominated a tough, well disciplined defense that day.

That's not his only performance like that either.
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So you dont think that read option created those angles? Just asking
 
leebigeztx said:
So you dont think that read option created those angles? Just asking
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I never said the kid doesn't have help. He has a talented oline in front of him and the read option is legit too. But I'm not going to penalize him for that.

The question is whether he has a skillset transferable to the pro game and how much so. Watching him play puts on display his vision, his instinct for when and where to cut, his explosion through the hole, his ability to run through tackles, his understanding of when to lower his pad level and push the pile forward, and a good (not great) change of direction in the open field. Put these in the plus category with his ability to catch out of the backfield and his willingness to dig his heels in and block effectively.

He appears to have an overall skillset comparable to our number 23, but with a faster long sprint. No, I'm not saying he'll necessarily be as good as Foster, that's not even fair. But I am comparing what kind of attributes he offers and where that might make him draftable. I believe his skills will translate very well to the NFL and I'd be good with him at 22.
 
leebigeztx said:
People talk henry being straight line runner, but Elliot is just as bad. I dont see the pop through a hole.
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Running laterally and then one-cut and pop through hole

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Working in tight quarters and creating his own yards

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Obviously those are just two highlights, but I don't think anybody can really dispute his cutting speed and explosion through the hole.
 
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