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Would you be ok with the Texans taking Hackenberg in the second round?

Would you be ok with the Texans picking Hackenberg in the second round?

  • Yes, cause he may end up being our guy working under O'Brien!

    Votes: 6 60.0%

  • No, we must trade up in the first and take a better QB!

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • Total voters
    10
Mangler

Mangler

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I've been watching his games from 2014 and 2015 lately, and while I'm not really a fan of his, I can't help but wonder how good he'd be if O'Brien and Godsey had the opportunity to groom him to be next in line.

Now, I'm not saying he'll be the next big thing or even that he's sure to be our franchise QB, I'm just curious about what he can turn out to be.

I won't bring up anything about Penn State's O-line cause everything has already been said. One main thing I noticed is that his receivers dropped way too many catchable passes, and fumbled almost as often. Also, the running game at Penn State was probably as bad as ours! The kid had no weapons to work with...

With that said, how would you feel about the Texans picking up Hackenberg in the second round? Assuming Rick Smith makes no moves to trade up to snatch one of the guys that is making all the noise. (Goff, Wentz, or Lynch)
 
sit all the reasons (oline, coach, etc) to side, there were too many bad decisions and poor throws from Hack to draft him. If Obrien drafts him, he should be starting game one. If not bye bye coach immediately.
 
badboy said:
sit all the reasons (oline, coach, etc) to side, there were too many bad decisions and poor throws from Hack to draft him. If Obrien drafts him, he should be starting game one. If not bye bye coach immediately.
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He's not my first choice by any means, just being realistic. I have a feeling we will pick up a QB out of desperation. We probably have a better shot at picking up Ezekiel Elliot, Hunter Henry, or Laremy Tunsil in the first round than we do signing one of the top 3 that are making all the noise. Not trying to be all negative, I just don't have any faith in our GM.
 
Hack... it depends. Does one or more of the top 3 drop past 11? 15?

Is Cook there at 22?

Is Cook there at 54?

I'll most likely be upset, but I'll get over it.
 
I'm being a bit captain obvious here, but questions of who-we-take-where are better asked after the combine. If Hack has a good combine, he would jump up the board.

And if O'Brien really wants him, he's not going to risk waiting until round 2.
 
Wentz/Goff/Lynch are probably gone by 22 but if Cook is there I think we need to draft him or trade up in the 2nd and get him.

Hackenberg should be the fall back option.

Realistically,

Goff/Lynch/Wentz = Plan A
Cook = Plan B (Granted, I like Cook more than Lynch and it's a toss up for me between Wentz and Cook.)
Hack = Plan C
 
Wentz/Goff/Lynch are probably gone by 22 but if Cook is there I think we need to draft him or trade up in the 2nd and get him.

Hackenberg should be the fall back option.

Realistically,

Goff/Lynch/Wentz = Plan A
Cook = Plan B (Granted, I like Cook more than Lynch and it's a toss up for me between Wentz and Cook.)
Hack = Plan C
 
we pick late in the 2nd is Goff there at 54 LOL ..... that would be funny if he goes some were in the 40's
 
badboy said:
sit all the reasons (oline, coach, etc) to side, there were too many bad decisions and poor throws from Hack to draft him. If Obrien drafts him, he should be starting game one. If not bye bye coach immediately.
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Completely agree with the bolded. Completely disagree with the rest.
If OB doesn't start the best QB on the roster, then it's bye bye, OB. I cringe at the thought of a rookie QB starting day 1.
 
DocBar said:
Completely agree with the bolded. Completely disagree with the rest.
If OB doesn't start the best QB on the roster, then it's bye bye, OB. I cringe at the thought of a rookie QB starting day 1.
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Not like it's a high bar for a rookie to be the best QB on the roster.
 
infantrycak said:
Not like it's a high bar for a rookie to be the best QB on the roster.
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I'll take my chances with a QB that has experience at the NFL level and let the rookie learn the game holding a clipboard on game day. That's just me, though.
 
infantrycak said:
So it's not really about starting the best QB.
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I've stated in other threads that I'm perfectly fine with starting a rookie QB, if he proves to be the best QB. I am 100% against anointing a rookie QB as the starter based purely on draft status.
So, yes. It is about starting the best QB.
 
I'd pull a Redskins move (minus the massive trade) if possible. Draft Cook/Lynch in first and Hack/Prescott in the second. Yeah we need more than just a QB but without one we are stuck in perpetual .500 land.

-If 1 of them becomes your stater then it was a success.
-If both wind up being bad then at least you tried to fix the situation. It wouldn't be like we'd win a championship if we picked 1 failure at QB and 1 good player at another position.
- If they both end up being good you have trade value in the future.

That said - my current preference is trade for/sign Kaepernick and draft Prescott.
 
I would ok with it I guess. I would rather see us take Prescott in the second round.
 
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badboy said:
sit all the reasons (oline, coach, etc) to side, there were too many bad decisions and poor throws from Hack to draft him. If Obrien drafts him, he should be starting game one. If not bye bye coach immediately.
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Just like every other rookie QB. Just say you dont like Hack and move on. BTW, I'm not a Hack fan but if Hack's BOB's guy @ 22 I dont have a problem with that because atleast McNair/Smith/BOB will have finally made a comittment to a QB.
 
If OB thinks Hack is the guy, fine. But it better work out.

If whoever our QB is at the beginning of the season isn't looking better than Fitzpatrick was at the beginning of his tenure here, then OB better be updating his resume.

I don't care what action(s) OB and Smith take, as long as those actions work.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
If OB thinks Hack is the guy, fine. But it better work out.

If whoever our QB is at the beginning of the season isn't looking better than Fitzpatrick was at the beginning of his tenure here, then OB better be updating his resume.

I don't care what action(s) OB and Smith take, as long as those actions work.
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Yep a rookie starting his 1st game should be as good as a guy who has played 10 yrs in the NFL.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
If OB thinks Hack is the guy, fine. But it better work out.

If whoever our QB is at the beginning of the season isn't looking better than Fitzpatrick was at the beginning of his tenure here, then OB better be updating his resume.

I don't care what action(s) OB and Smith take, as long as those actions work.
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So you don't want a rookie qb? Chances are as history shows rookies don't look the greatest generally early on.
 
DocBar said:
Completely agree with the bolded. Completely disagree with the rest.
If OB doesn't start the best QB on the roster, then it's bye bye, OB. I cringe at the thought of a rookie QB starting day 1.
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I don't want to sound like I've got a lot of faith or hope invested in Tom Savage... but we've seen the way O'b decides who the best QB on the roster is. Has little to do with what happens on the field on game day. Closed practice performance seems to carry too much weight.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't want to sound like I've got a lot of faith or hope invested in Tom Savage... but we've seen the way O'b decides who the best QB on the roster is. Has little to do with what happens on the field on game day. Closed practice performance seems to carry too much weight.
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I'm interested to see what OB learned from that whole deal.
 
DocBar said:
I'm interested to see what OB learned from that whole deal.
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You actually think he learned something? I very much doubt it. If a sellout house screaming for Hoyer to be benched, and booed every single time he'd come back out to the field for another drive didn't make O'Brien snap out of it, nothing will! I think he's a good head coach, but is just clueless when it comes to moves at QB.
 
DocBar said:
I'm interested to see what OB learned from that whole deal.
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You actually think he learned something? I very much doubt it. If a sellout crowd screaming for Hoyer to be benched, and booed every single time he'd come back out to the field for another drive didn't make O'Brien snap out of it, nothing will! I think he's a good head coach, but is just clueless when it comes to making moves at QB. The turnaround after 2-5 is proof of what O'Brien can do, if only he knew what the heck he wants in a QB...
 
Mangler said:
You actually think he learned something? I very much doubt it. If a sellout house screaming for Hoyer to be benched, and booed every single time he'd come back out to the field for another drive didn't make O'Brien snap out of it, nothing will! I think he's a good head coach, but is just clueless when it comes to moves at QB.
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OB, himself, says that every single thing will be analyzed and changes made where they need to be changed. That includes his decisions.
If he learned nothing from that debacle at QB, then he's neither a good head coach or as smart as his Brown education would suggest.
 
DocBar said:
OB, himself, says that every single thing will be analyzed and changes made where they need to be changed. That includes his decisions.
If he learned nothing from that debacle at QB, then he's neither a good head coach or as smart as his Brown education would suggest.
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Don't hold your breath! Chances are, Hoyer will be the starter cause he "knows O'Brien's system" and is more consistent during practice. Apparently performance during REAL GAMES bears no weight to O'Brien, it's how you do during practice that really matters. The only thing that will probably change is the depth at QB.
(Hoyer, Savage, rookie)
Not my choice, but this is to be expected from O'Brien based on history.
 
DocBar said:
I've stated in other threads that I'm perfectly fine with starting a rookie QB, if he proves to be the best QB. I am 100% against anointing a rookie QB as the starter based purely on draft status.
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I hear what you're saying, however, if we take a guy in the first round then there was a reason we took him.

I don't have an issue with a 1st round guy sitting...Hell, I don't have a problem with a first round guy ending up not being the guy because someone else on the roster stepped up and surprised us....

But the only real chances that a rookie QB will get to prove themselves is in real games.

Pre-season games will be a good gauge...Practices will be good too...

But I guarantee you Brian Hoyer will look excellent in practice until the day he fuqin retires. Hoyer probably practices better or damn near as good as a lot of QB's that are much better than him.

A rookie is going to be hard pressed to prove he is better than two vets in practice, ESPECIALLY if he is slotted with the second or third team offenses.


If we invest in a guy in the first round...Unless OB just feels the guy isn't ready, or another guy has just simply stepped up, then I'm all for throwing a guy to the wolves.
 
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xtruroyaltyx said:
I hear what you're saying, however, if we take a guy in the first round then there was a reason we took him. I don't have an issue with a 1st round guy sitting...Hell, I don't have a problem with a first round guy ending up not being the guy because someone else on the roster stepped up and surprised us....

But the only real chances that a rookie QB will get to prove themselves is in real games.

Pre-season games will be a good gauge...Practices will be good too...

But I guarantee you Brian Hoyer will look excellent in practice until the day he fuqin retires. Hoyer probably practices better or damn near as good as a lot of QB's that are much better than him.

A rookie is going to be hard pressed to prove he is better than two vets in practice, ESPECIALLY if he is slotted with the second or third team offenses.


If we invest in a guy in the first round...Unless OB just feels the guy isn't ready, or another guy has just simply stepped up, then I'm all for throwing a guy to the wolves.
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I think Hoyer's days in Houston are numbered. If OB does what he says he does, there's no way he can miss how bad Hoyer played against teams with average defenses
 
steelbtexan said:
Just like every other rookie QB. Just say you dont like Hack and move on. BTW, I'm not a Hack fan but if Hack's BOB's guy @ 22 I dont have a problem with that because atleast McNair/Smith/BOB will have finally made a comittment to a QB.[/QUOTE
Nope, I and everyone else has the right to say why I don't like Hack or any other player. In fact the ones who do not explain why they think a certain way should move on.
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Nope, I and everyone else has the right to say why I don't like Hack or any other player. In fact the ones who do not explain why they think a certain way should move on.
 
badboy said:
sit all the reasons (oline, coach, etc) to side, there were too many bad decisions and poor throws from Hack to draft him. If Obrien drafts him, he should be starting game one. If not bye bye coach immediately.
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I disagree about a rookie QB must be starting game one. That's unreasonable.

What I worry about Hack if he's the pick is

1. Accuracy, it bothers me as a freshman he completed only 59% of his passes.
2. He's had the crap beaten out of him and I wonder if he has the HWNSNBM syndrome.

Positives

1. He's got every measurable a franchise QB could ever want and is as talented or more talented than any QB in this draft.
2. He's a smart guy
3. He has a basic rudimentary knowledge of the offense

What are Hack's positives/negatives in your eyes?
 
I won't be excited if Hack is drafted in the second round. Maybe my point of view is tainted by his relationship with OB? We've seen ob pick and trust in guys like fitz and hoyer. Maybe I've only seen hacks worst games? I dunno. But if ob drafts hack his fate is sealed to him. If he's drafted in the second i wont be happy...but i'll give it a chance.

Should he start as a rookie? Let him deserve it. Let him earn it. I have no problem starting a rookie as long as we aren't shell shocking him ala' carr.
 
infantrycak said:
I don't think a rookie should necessarily start game 1, but minimum of 4 games, preferably 8+. I think the rook should have some real game experience not just theory to build off of in his 2nd offseason.



How do we know this?
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Coaches son, and I cant remember where I read this but BOB talked about how fast Hack picked up the offense.
 
steelbtexan said:
Coaches son, and I cant remember where I read this but BOB talked about how fast Hack picked up the offense.
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Coach's sons are smarter? More educated I could see.

I saw that quote - said something like fastest to pick it up. Didn't mean much imo since Hack was either the 1st or 2nd QB he ever tried to teach...bum, ba, da, dummmm...'the system.'

Not saying he isn't smart. His play doesn't reflect any special benefit from it.

Surprised you didn't have a comment on my playing time for rookies remarks. I should clarify, the exception would be riding a solid starter into what could be a playoff run - but the Texans ain't there.
 
infantrycak said:
Not saying he isn't smart. His play doesn't reflect any special benefit from it.
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Idk, the video breakdown posted recently of Hack communicating adjustments to his receivers based on coverages gives a glimpse.

I'm not saying the kid's a mensa candidate, but taking his interviews into account, how he rolled with OB early, and some of those glimpses, I've leaned toward giving him some benefit of the doubt as far as how capable he is to learn.
 
infantrycak said:
Coach's sons are smarter? More educated I could see.

I saw that quote - said something like fastest to pick it up. Didn't mean much imo since Hack was either the 1st or 2nd QB he ever tried to teach...bum, ba, da, dummmm...'the system.'

Not saying he isn't smart. His play doesn't reflect any special benefit from it.

Surprised you didn't have a comment on my playing time for rookies remarks. I should clarify, the exception would be riding a solid starter into what could be a playoff run - but the Texans ain't there.
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Ryan Mallet is also a coach's son, and didn't seem very smart, to be honest. There seemed to be something off about that guy. You remember that game where he decided to get himself out after getting the wind knocked out of him, then rolled his eyes after every Hoyer completion, and proceeded to pout on the sideline on national TV? He sure didn't seem very educated then...

Anyway, I have a feeling those beatings Hack took in 2014-2015 probably ruined him. I hope not, specially since it's very likely that O.B thinks he's our guy. But then again, they'll both be gone if O.B does infact draft Hack and it's a complete fail. We then may get someone with some balls to push to get a good QB, and not try to run some rocket science scheme with a bunch of losers in the offense.
 
I'll be happy if the Texans commit to investing in a QB that they feel can be the future. I have no idea who will pan out and who won't, and I won't act like I will. What I want to see from this administration is a commitment to acquiring and developing a starter at the position that isn't a FA castoff. It's time to take a shot at it and move to make that acquisition the leading man.

We all know where everyone stands on our belief that this group can get that done, but we all agree that they need to try. If they approach this offseason assuming we are better off addressing QB in a later offseason, I'll be more than ready to part ways.

That's all I can say for sure.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I'll be happy if the Texans commit to investing in a QB that they feel can be the future. I have no idea who will pan out and who won't, and I won't act like I will. What I want to see from this administration is a commitment to acquiring and developing a starter at the position that isn't a FA castoff. It's time to take a shot at it and move to make that acquisition the leading man.

We all know where everyone stands on our belief that this group can get that done, but we all agree that they need to try. If they approach this offseason assuming we are better off addressing QB in a later offseason, I'll be more than ready to part ways.

That's all I can say for sure.
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So, to which are you moving on to? I'm just asking because you can pretty much forget about any of those guys taking us anywhere since our inept front office probably won't address our sorry O-line, RB, or TE position anytime soon. They're more worried about creating all this cap space, ignoring all the gaping holes all over the team. Rick Smith and O'Brien are a match made in heaven!
 
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