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Robert Griffin III could be the Texans next quarterback

thunderkyss said:
I can't think of a reason Washington would allow this without the possibility of a trade. Maybe the godfather has his gangsta on & he's leading Washington to believe we're interested in a trade, just to get access to RGIII... then wait for him to be released anyway.

But I doubt it. Then again, I doubted we'd be interested in an RGIII trade at all, so what do I know?
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Washington may not know anything about it, and do they really have any say in who he visits? Again, at this point he's under contract so visiting does no harm to anyone. As long as it was not an official visit
 
Bulls on Parade said:
He cleaned out his Redskins locker room last week.
I still think better times are ahead for that kid.


If RG3 comes to Houston maybe he'll give me his Hulk action figurine!
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Isn't it routine for players to clean out their locker after the season? Didn't I see a pic of Hopkins cleaning out his locker?
 
JB said:
Isn't it routine for players to clean out their locker after the season? Didn't I see a pic of Hopkins cleaning out his locker?
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yes after the season is over everyone cleans out their locker. but still dont think he's returning to the skins lol
 
Shishkabob said:
yes after the season is over everyone cleans out their locker. but still dont think he's returning to the skins lol
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Yeah I don't either... but at this point it's an assumption people are making is all I'm saying (think about what team and owner we're talking about here) and no big deal because he was seen somewhere close to his home or looking for a new home or even cleaning out a locker.
 
JB said:
Washington may not know anything about it, and do they really have any say in who he visits? Again, at this point he's under contract so visiting does no harm to anyone. As long as it was not an official visit
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If they are talking with him (or his agent) about possibly joining the Texans - or showing any interest in him whatsoever, and the Redskins are not aware of it, they are absolutely and unquestionably tampering. Being under contract is exactly what makes it tampering. Now if the Redskins gave him/his agent permission to speak with the Texans regarding a potential trade and new contract, then that's fine, but if not, it's a problem. I can't say I can point to a specific rule, but given the fact that it would effectively shut 30 teams out of the process, I also can't believe NFL rules allow him to discuss a potential free agent contract with any team prior to his official release - even with the knowledge and permission of the Redskins (who have zero reason to provide that permission anyway).
 
JB said:
Washington may not know anything about it, and do they really have any say in who he visits? Again, at this point he's under contract so visiting does no harm to anyone. As long as it was not an official visit
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True, as long as he isn't negotiating or anything. He may be hanging with Jon Weeks.
 
ChampionTexan said:
If they are talking with him (or his agent) about possibly joining the Texans - or showing any interest in him whatsoever, and the Redskins are not aware of it, they are absolutely and unquestionably tampering. Being under contract is exactly what makes it tampering. Now if the Redskins gave him/his agent permission to speak with the Texans regarding a potential trade and new contract, then that's fine, but if not, it's a problem. I can't say I can point to a specific rule, but given the fact that it would effectively shut 30 teams out of the process, I also can't believe NFL rules allow him to discuss a potential free agent contract with any team prior to his official release - even with the knowledge and permission of the Redskins (who have zero reason to provide that permission anyway).
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I believe you are correct, but couldn't find the info either. All I could find was if a team made a statement to the players agent or news media it was tampering. Texans haven't said anything or contacted any of Griffins representatives but if they did, that would be tampering
 
JB said:
I believe you are correct, but couldn't find the info either. All I could find was if a team made a statement to the players agent or news media it was tampering. Texans haven't said anything or contacted any of Griffins representatives but if they did, that would be tampering
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The NFL consistently ignores tampering, to the point that there is an official tampering season that occurs for 48-72 hrs before the official start of FA.
 
DocBar said:
The NFL consistently ignores tampering, to the point that there is an official tampering season that occurs for 48-72 hrs before the official start of FA.
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Yeah, but when is the official pre-tampering tampering season?
 
If the Texans are meeting with RGIII it is with permission of the Redskins in contemplation of a trade and is not tampering.

If they were trying to prime the pump (tamper) before an expected release, it would all be back channel and through the agent.
 
infantrycak said:
If the Texans are meeting with RGIII it is with permission of the Redskins in contemplation of a trade and is not tampering.

If they were trying to prime the pump (tamper) before an expected release, it would all be back channel and through the agent.
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IF is a mighty big word.
 
NFL Anti-Tampering Policy


Contact by Player.
If a club is contacted by a player (or his representative)who is under contract to or whose negotiating rights are held by another club,
and such player had not been given permission to deal with other clubs, or such player is not in a permissible negotiating period under the terms of an operative collective bargaining agreement, then the contacted club is prohibited from talking or otherwise dealing with the player or his representative, and the contacted club must immediately report such contact to the owner or operating head of the club which holds the player’s rights.
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JB said:
I believe you are correct, but couldn't find the info either. All I could find was if a team made a statement to the players agent or news media it was tampering. Texans haven't said anything or contacted any of Griffins representatives but if they did, that would be tampering
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Now you're beginning to sound like a lawyer seeking wiggle room for his client.
 
JB said:
I believe you are correct, but couldn't find the info either. All I could find was if a team made a statement to the players agent or news media it was tampering. Texans haven't said anything or contacted any of Griffins representatives but if they did, that would be tampering
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Now you're beginning to sound like a lawyer seeking wiggle room for his client.
DocBar said:
IF is a mighty big word.
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Those complex words like IS, IF and SEX give lawyers fits.
 
JB said:
He doesn't seem like an OB guy to me but I could be wrong. O'Brien has stated that intelligence is one of the most important attributes he looks for in a QB, ya'll think Griffin fits that mold?
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Just so we don't fall into the stereotype (black QB, run first QB, gimmicky college offense, dreads... take your pick), RGIII graduated from high school a semester early, ranked 7th in his class, and started attending Baylor at 17. He graduated from Baylor in three years with a degree in Political Science. 3.87 PGA, Deans List twice, Big-12 Academic All-American twice and was working on his Masters degree his last year of eligibility. All while being a two-sport start that went to the Track & Field US Olympic Trials and won the Heisman.

Unintelligent, he is not. Considering the photo of the figurines in his locker, he might be the biggest nerd in the NFL.
 
sandman said:
Just so we don't fall into the stereotype (black QB, run first QB, gimmicky college offense, dreads... take your pick), RGIII graduated from high school a semester early, ranked 7th in his class, and started attending Baylor at 17. He graduated from Baylor in three years with a degree in Political Science. 3.87 PGA, Deans List twice, Big-12 Academic All-American twice and was working on his Masters degree his last year of eligibility. All while being a two-sport start that went to the Track & Field US Olympic Trials and won the Heisman.

Unintelligent, he is not. Considering the photo of the figurines in his locker, he might be the biggest nerd in the NFL.
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Very well said. Some people only see what they want to see.
 
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Why would you even consider a running QB who has repeatedly been reported not to be able to read NFL defenses and takes a run-first option because of his limited NFL intelligence quotient with an apparently infinite learning curve, not to be interested in voluntarily studying the playbook or be caught dead in the film room, have an inflated ego that takes the forefront to reality, and cannot work with and has become disliked by most of his teammates and coaching staff? And if you can get past all of this, how the heck can you get past his injury history?..........an ACL rupture in college........then an NFL injury history of a totally ruptured LCL (not a partial tear as widely reported), a meniscus tear, a 2nd ACL rupture........all of the aforementioned injuries empirically associated with articular cartilage damage....................then a dislocated ankle which is empirically associated with significant ligament and articular damage............and finally 2 documented concussions...................all occurring in a short period with only a 35-start history.

I know...........it must be that his injuries make him a better prospect in the eyes of the Texans..........if he can come here and just manage a few more, he should become the ideal starter we have always been looking for.:spy:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Why would you even consider a running QB who has repeatedly been reported not to be able to read NFL defenses and takes a run-first option because of his limited NFL intelligence quotient with an apparently infinite learning curve, not to be interested in voluntarily studying the playbook or be caught dead in the film room, have an inflated ego that takes the forefront to reality, and cannot work with and has become disliked by most of his teammates and coaching staff? And if you can get past all of this, how the heck can you get past his injury history?..........an ACL rupture in college........then an NFL injury history of a totally ruptured LCL (not a partial tear as widely reported), a meniscus tear, a 2nd ACL rupture........all of the aforementioned injuries empirically associated with articular cartilage damage....................then a dislocated ankle which is empirically associated with significant ligament and articular damage............and finally 2 documented concussions...................all occurring in a short period with only a 35-start history.

I know...........it must be that his injuries make him a better prospect in the eyes of the Texans..........if he can come here and just manage a few more, he should become the ideal starter we have always been looking for.:spy:
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It took you long enough to chime in! I was wondering what your opinion would be. I'll take yours over anyone on the Texans medical staff.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Why would you even consider a running QB who has repeatedly been reported not to be able to read NFL defenses and takes a run-first option because of his limited NFL intelligence quotient with an apparently infinite learning curve, not to be interested in voluntarily studying the playbook or be caught dead in the film room, have an inflated ego that takes the forefront to reality, and cannot work with and has become disliked by most of his teammates and coaching staff? And if you can get past all of this, how the heck can you get past his injury history?..........an ACL rupture in college........then an NFL injury history of a totally ruptured LCL (not a partial tear as widely reported), a meniscus tear, a 2nd ACL rupture........all of the aforementioned injuries empirically associated with articular cartilage damage....................then a dislocated ankle which is empirically associated with significant ligament and articular damage............and finally 2 documented concussions...................all occurring in a short period with only a 35-start history.

I know...........it must be that his injuries make him a better prospect in the eyes of the Texans..........if he can come here and just manage a few more, he should become the ideal starter we have always been looking for.:spy:
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O'Brien has a reputation to live up to. He's stacking the deck for the number of QBs he gets hurt in a season. Maybe going for a new career best in 2016.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Why would you even consider a running QB who has repeatedly been reported not to be able to read NFL defenses and takes a run-first option because of his limited NFL intelligence quotient with an apparently infinite learning curve, not to be interested in voluntarily studying the playbook or be caught dead in the film room, have an inflated ego that takes the forefront to reality, and cannot work with and has become disliked by most of his teammates and coaching staff? And if you can get past all of this, how the heck can you get past his injury history?..........an ACL rupture in college........then an NFL injury history of a totally ruptured LCL (not a partial tear as widely reported), a meniscus tear, a 2nd ACL rupture........all of the aforementioned injuries empirically associated with articular cartilage damage....................then a dislocated ankle which is empirically associated with significant ligament and articular damage............and finally 2 documented concussions...................all occurring in a short period with only a 35-start history.

I know...........it must be that his injuries make him a better prospect in the eyes of the Texans..........if he can come here and just manage a few more, he should become the ideal starter we have always been looking for.:spy:
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His first concussion was his 5th game as a pro on October 7, 2012. His second concussion was a pre-season game in August 2015. That is almost 3 calendar years apart and 33 regular season games in which he played, not even counting pre-season games in that stretch. No concussions in college. Is that really considered "prone"? Honest question when I look at Hoyer and Hopkins who have had them more frequently.
 
sandman said:
Just so we don't fall into the stereotype (black QB, run first QB, gimmicky college offense, dreads... take your pick), RGIII graduated from high school a semester early, ranked 7th in his class, and started attending Baylor at 17. He graduated from Baylor in three years with a degree in Political Science. 3.87 PGA, Deans List twice, Big-12 Academic All-American twice and was working on his Masters degree his last year of eligibility. All while being a two-sport start that went to the Track & Field US Olympic Trials and won the Heisman.

Unintelligent, he is not. Considering the photo of the figurines in his locker, he might be the biggest nerd in the NFL.
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There's a difference between quick wit and intelligence though they are usually lumped together. I think this is where the successful Bradshaws and unsuccessful geniuses come into play. Being able to GET the theory in meetings is different from executing it quickly and precisely on the field. I think Hoyer got it in the meetings, but just couldn't execute it on the field. He'd make a good coach.
 
sandman said:
His first concussion was his 5th game as a pro on October 7, 2012. His second concussion was a pre-season game in August 2015. That is almost 3 calendar years apart and 33 regular season games in which he played, not even counting pre-season games in that stretch. No concussions in college. Is that really considered "prone"? Honest question when I look at Hoyer and Hopkins who have had them more frequently.
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Hasn't Hopkins only had one in the NFL ?
 
sandman said:
Just so we don't fall into the stereotype (black QB, run first QB, gimmicky college offense, dreads... take your pick), RGIII graduated from high school a semester early, ranked 7th in his class, and started attending Baylor at 17. He graduated from Baylor in three years with a degree in Political Science. 3.87 PGA, Deans List twice, Big-12 Academic All-American twice and was working on his Masters degree his last year of eligibility. All while being a two-sport start that went to the Track & Field US Olympic Trials and won the Heisman.

Unintelligent, he is not. Considering the photo of the figurines in his locker, he might be the biggest nerd in the NFL.
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I wasn't talking about intelligence from a Mensa view, but football IQ. It seems he hasn't really learned to read defenses well and I question his ability to learn a complicated playbook
 
JB said:
I wasn't talking about intelligence from a Mensa view, but football IQ. It seems he hasn't really learned to read defenses well and I question his ability to learn a complicated playbook
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For me, the question would be is it football IQ? Or is he too stubborn to learn? Granted, I only saw him play for the Skins a handful of times, but he seemed sort of like a Keenum to me. He could study, learn and practice all week but it all goes out the window once the ball's snapped. He seems to play the game on the fly
 
HOU-TEX said:
For me, the question would be is it football IQ? Or is he too stubborn to learn? Granted, I only saw him play for the Skins a handful of times, but he seemed sort of like a Keenum to me. He could study, learn and practice all week but it all goes out the window once the ball's snapped. He seems to play the game on the fly
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He takes the wrong meaning to thinking on your feet... I really don't think that he adjusts well from pre snap to post snap reads and gets confused to easily
 
JB said:
I wasn't talking about intelligence from a Mensa view, but football IQ. It seems he hasn't really learned to read defenses well and I question his ability to learn a complicated playbook
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Career 64% completion rate, averaged around 8 YPA two of his three seasons, 2:1 career TD to INT ratio and 91% career QB rating. Along with 1,500 yards rushing. In Big Shanny's offense, which isn't exactly bare bones or easy. He isn't Brady or Manning, and he may not be the answer to the Texans QB woes (there is a good chance that he isn't), but he sure as hell isn't football dumb ala JaMarcus Russell as you are trying to assert.
 
EllisUnit said:
Hasn't Hopkins only had one in the NFL ?
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I thought he has had two already. Or one late in college career and then one at beginning of NFL career. I just remember conversations around Hoyer hanging it up over two concussions and there being a conversation about Nuk's concussions. Will need to research.
 
sandman said:
Career 64% completion rate, averaged around 8 YPA two of his three seasons, 2:1 career TD to INT ratio and 91% career QB rating. Along with 1,500 yards rushing. In Big Shanny's offense, which isn't exactly bare bones or easy. He isn't Brady or Manning, and he may not be the answer to the Texans QB woes (there is a good chance that he isn't), but he sure as hell isn't football dumb ala JaMarcus Russell as you are trying to assert.
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Throw up all the meaningless stats you want... show me a report from anywhere that says he is adept at reading pro offenses. I don't think he is dumb, he's not a quick thinker and able to adapt to what the defense is giving him which I think OB is high on.

Those stats look pretty Hoyeresque by the way
 
JB said:
He takes the wrong meaning to thinking on your feet... I really don't think that he adjusts well from pre snap to post snap reads and gets confused to easily
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Like most guys that haven't played alot of NFL football and are having to learn a 2nd NFL offense in 3 yrs. This is the reason I respect Alex Smith more than most. It seems like he was learning a new offense every yr for the 1st 5 yrs of his career. Considering that, I think he did well, having Singletary as his HC certainly didn't do him any favors.
 
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EllisUnit said:
Hasn't Hopkins only had one in the NFL ?
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I think Nuk has had 1 during his college career and 1 during his NFL career. I also am certain he got another concussion in a car accident in college. Doc posted an article on this but I cant find it.
 
EllisUnit said:
Hasn't Hopkins only had one in the NFL ?
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I think Nuk has had 1 during his college career and 1 during his NFL career. I also am certain he got another concussion in a car accident in college. Doc posted an article on this but I cant find it.
 
sandman said:
His first concussion was his 5th game as a pro on October 7, 2012. His second concussion was a pre-season game in August 2015. That is almost 3 calendar years apart and 33 regular season games in which he played, not even counting pre-season games in that stretch. No concussions in college. Is that really considered "prone"? Honest question when I look at Hoyer and Hopkins who have had them more frequently.
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I'll refer you to a previous post.
Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

Research suggests that if someone has already received one concussion, they are 1-2 times more likely to receive a second one. If they've had two concussions, then a third is 2-4 times more likely, and if they've had three concussions, then they are 3-9 times more likely to receive their fourth concussion.
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Hoyer 5 concussions in 42 NFL games.
Hopkins 1 in college and 2 in 48 NFL games.
RGIII 2 in 33 NFL games in ~2 1/2 years of play

He's a running QB which makes him even more likely to be in concussion situations. Having your QB out with concussions is much more worrisome than having a WR with the same problem.

Prone is a funny not totally descript word, but his risk or "proness" is 2-4 times what a non concussed player carries.
 
JB said:
Throw up all the meaningless stats you want... show me a report from anywhere that says he is adept at reading pro offenses. I don't think he is dumb, he's not a quick thinker and able to adapt to what the defense is giving him which I think OB is high on.

Those stats look pretty Hoyeresque by the way
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I'm a bit confused here. As a rookie in 15 games he was 66%, 3,200 yards, 4:1 TD ratio (NFL Rookie record), 102.4% rating (NFL Rookie record), 815 rushing yards, 27 total TD's, a six game win streak to the end the season posting 100+ rating in 5 of those games, going 10-6 as division champs and playoffs, and finally winning the Offensive ROY over Andrew Luck.

But he can't read defenses and isn't a quick thinker. And you think those are meaningless, Hoyer-like stats.

Again, I'm not saying he is anyone's answer to anything, but you clearly have an opinion regarding him that isn't going to change with further dialogue. And that's cool, because everyone has an opinion.
 
sandman said:
I'm a bit confused here. As a rookie in 15 games he was 66%, 3,200 yards, 4:1 TD ratio (NFL Rookie record), 102.4% rating (NFL Rookie record), 815 rushing yards, 27 total TD's, a six game win streak to the end the season posting 100+ rating in 5 of those games, going 10-6 as division champs and playoffs, and finally winning the Offensive ROY over Andrew Luck.

But he can't read defenses and isn't a quick thinker. And you think those are meaningless, Hoyer-like stats.

Again, I'm not saying he is anyone's answer to anything, but you clearly have an opinion regarding him that isn't going to change with further dialogue. And that's cool, because everyone has an opinion.
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I agree he had a stellar rookie season... he hasn't done much since, which may not all be his fault. I do think you are reading (or perhaps I worded it wrong) my thoughts about him. I just don't see him as a fit in O'Briens offense. Of course I'm not totally sure what OB's offense is supposed to be, but everything he's said does not point to Griffin as an ideal QB for him. You see apples, I see bananas. It's all cool
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'll refer you to a previous post.


Hoyer 5 concussions in 42 NFL games.
Hopkins 1 in college and 2 in 48 NFL games.
RGIII 2 in 33 NFL games in ~2 1/2 years of play

He's a running QB which makes him even more likely to be in concussion situations. Having your QB out with concussions is much more worrisome than having a WR with the same problem.

Prone is a funny not totally descript word, but his risk or "proness" is 2-4 times what a non concussed player carries.
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RGIII has 37 NFL starts. His concussions were 33 starts apart and almost 3 calendar years apart. Nuk had his second one in his 34th start, 2nd game of his 3rd season. He is a highly targeted WR with a huge catch radius that constantly puts him in compromising positions. I just don't hear the concern for Nuk that I'm hearing for RGIII.
 
JB said:
I agree he had a stellar rookie season... he hasn't done much since, which may not all be his fault. I do think you are reading (or perhaps I worded it wrong) my thoughts about him. I just don't see him as a fit in O'Briens offense. Of course I'm not totally sure what OB's offense is supposed to be, but everything he's said does not point to Griffin as an ideal QB for him. You see apples, I see bananas. It's all cool
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That's cool. I do believe that OB would need to change something to fit RGIII's style of play. And OB may not be willing to do that. He wants a Type A QB and only Type A QB because it has to be done a certain way that only Type A QB can do. But IMHO it is about RGIII being a Type B QB, not about his intelligence, football or otherwise.
 
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infantrycak said:
This is the $64k question - has his benching made him humble enough to become a scrambling QB rather than a running QB?
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Indeed that is a question, but, becoming humbled or not, I would have to question his ability to ultimately change his instincts any more than we have seen with Manziel. And with his last injury, the dislocated ankle, which can have a very great progressive impact on his ability to run the way he used to, may complicate the picture and his future even further. I would definitely predict more lower limb injuries in his future.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Indeed that is a question, but, becoming humbled or not, I would have to question his ability to ultimately change his instincts any more than we have seen with Manziel. And with his last injury, the dislocated ankle, which can have a very great progressive impact on his ability to run the way he used to, may complicate the picture and his future even further. I would definitely predict more lower limb injuries in his future.
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Trap him in a room, put Aaron Rodgers film on and tell him that is how his remaining athleticism is to be used for the rest of his career. (They are essentially identically sized by the way). Don't have a single option play in the playbook. And buy one of those bird dog shock collars.

This is not my preferred route. Trying to be optimistic. I do think there is a better shot at reclaiming Griffin than there ever was at starting Hoyer.
 
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