Wouldn't it be ironic if we get RGIII or Kaepernick & keep Bj Daniels as the back up?
Tom Savage would lose his mind.
Tom Savage would lose his mind.
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Robert Griffin III could be the Texans next quarterback
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Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
I wonder if Hermey and Rudolph will land on our island next Christmas season?
So Teblow and Johnny Futbaaawll will be coming soon?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Why? What exactly has Savage done or shown to warrant the ego? Seems like another guy to me and would be an easy cut if an above average QB could find his way to this roster.
?? Has nothing to do with ego. It's that picking up those types of QBs would signal we're going in the same direction as Pitt & Arizona
Joe theisman
Only one game though
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TheiJo00.htm?redir
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
With Hoyer back, Weeden's the backup QB. Daniels was actually the #3 QB. It would be hard to justify having him active if he weren't doing stuff like that.
TexansWest
Practice Squad
I have it on good authority, my son-in-law, that RG3 is house hunting in Houston. My son-in-law is a realtor and showed one of his listings to RG3, his wife, daughter, and his lawyer a house yesterday in Lake Conroe. Something is brewing!
Thanks to whoever moved this to the proper thread! I didn't see this thread before posting.
Thanks to whoever moved this to the proper thread! I didn't see this thread before posting.
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Shishkabob
All Pro
It wouldnt bother me, if it was on a non guaranteed contract that pretty much brought him in here for a camp competition. I still want us to draft a QB, and let Savage, the draft pick, and if we sign RG3 him to duke it out.
I remember when Lebron went to Miami the day before his announcement i got a tip from my buddy who lives down there that he had rented a house on South Beach to throw a celebration party. I shouldve put some money on that
I'm not a fan of RGIII, but, on the bright side RGIII > Hoyer.
I really can't decide on him. Have the injuries taken such a toll that he's no longer the athlete that won the OROY? I'd also like to see if he can be developed into a Russell Wilson type QB. I don't want to see a full read-option offense, but I love the versatility a QB like Wilson brings to the table.
My main concerns are the injury history and the public perception that he's a Prima Donna and has an attitude problem. I have no idea if the latter is true, but if so, maybe being benched and inactive for 15 games this season humbled him in that regard. I'd at least kick the tires on him and see what there is to see.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
This seems like a move on would make.
I was totally against this initially, but I was reminded by someone that OB has gotten guys to improve under him pretty consistently.
An if RG3 has been humbled some and has a new mindset then it could maybe work. I think OB would call plays that suit him and develop his ever changing offense around the guy.
And as far as him and kaep are concerned I think RG3 is the more capable player from a talent standpoint. Kaep is the more developed professional, but I'm not a fan of kaep as a qb.
I was totally against this initially, but I was reminded by someone that OB has gotten guys to improve under him pretty consistently.
An if RG3 has been humbled some and has a new mindset then it could maybe work. I think OB would call plays that suit him and develop his ever changing offense around the guy.
And as far as him and kaep are concerned I think RG3 is the more capable player from a talent standpoint. Kaep is the more developed professional, but I'm not a fan of kaep as a qb.
The more I think about it, the more I like the thought of it. From another thread:
If Bradford did that he's delusional, smoking the reefer with Thorn ( or his drug of choice) or he wants the hell out of Philly. I hope the Texans don't decide to take a flyer on this guy. I'd rather see RGIII. I'm getting more and more interested in him and what he could do in an offense featuring DHOP, Strong ( I liked how he progressed over the season and think he will be a solid #2 WR) and Elliott at RB (my personal choice in the 1st round). If the Texans could somehow get a better than average TE, either through the draft or FA, that could be an explosive offense. Elliott, Grimes and Akeem Hunt ( I like that kid) would be a pretty decent backfield. Blue and/or Polk might stick around for ST's, but wouldn't be featured in the backfield.
I'm thinking of an offense that is similar to Seattle's in concept, but can be very versatile because of the weapons. It would be very hard to defend since you need someone to spy on RGIII.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
And it's not at all uncommon for "Big 3" professional athletes to make their home in the Houston area - even if they play for a non-Houston/non-Texas franchise.
Seeing what O'Brien has been able to do with the 7 QBs the past two seasons, I'd definitely be a little curious if they decided to kick the tires on RGIII.
That said, I'm concerned that O'Brien is not the greatest judge of character (i.e. Mallett), as well as his reliance on unknown talent metrics that did not see the lack of 'clutch' in his chosen QB (i.e. Hoyer).
That said, I'm concerned that O'Brien is not the greatest judge of character (i.e. Mallett), as well as his reliance on unknown talent metrics that did not see the lack of 'clutch' in his chosen QB (i.e. Hoyer).
The character issues concern me, but the talent is undeniable. Considering the talent level at Washington, I think RGIII could thrive in Houston. Not to mention be an excellent counter to Luck, Bortles and Mariotta. Damn, I guess I'm getting on board with this. A QB roster of RGIII, Savage and Weeden/Yates would be pretty nice.
Do we have any evidence that points to RG3 being able to absorb & implement an NFL play book?
We know JFF had never seen a playbook before Cleveland. It's not too hard to imagine Case Keenum never seen one before the Texans.
RG3 had a remarkable rookie season. Primarily because of his athleticism & how that opened the field for him. However, that athleticism got gum hurt & the drama that ensued did not allow him to develop the way you would expect a 4 year vet would.
If we were to get RG3 we would be getting a 4 year vet without the athleticism to open the field, doesn't know our play book, doesn't know our terminology.
That doesn't sound like someone I want to build my offense around.
We know JFF had never seen a playbook before Cleveland. It's not too hard to imagine Case Keenum never seen one before the Texans.
RG3 had a remarkable rookie season. Primarily because of his athleticism & how that opened the field for him. However, that athleticism got gum hurt & the drama that ensued did not allow him to develop the way you would expect a 4 year vet would.
If we were to get RG3 we would be getting a 4 year vet without the athleticism to open the field, doesn't know our play book, doesn't know our terminology.
That doesn't sound like someone I want to build my offense around.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I'm not enamored with him either, but anybody except Hoyer. Thorn, but not Hoyer.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Makes me think of the Earl Campbell video posted recently where Pastorini is talking about how their playbook was real simple. Just get to the huddle and say "Are you tired Earl?" and if he said yes then Pastorini would say "OK, well I'll throw a couple".
Those were the days.
Yes, there is. Just look at his record.
Vince? That's a "we should sign VY!" answer.
Whatever....
Well it is, & that's my point. How many games did he win after his injury? When he'd have to use his noggin to decipher, manipulate, & beat defenses.
Every game he won was because he was a threat to make plays with his legs, which opened the field.
I've got nothing against him, but 4 years since he's been drafted & he's as raw as Brandon Doughty.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I have never been a believer in quarterbacks that are athletes first... and, I haven't seen much from RGIII to be encouraged that he could develop into a competent pocket passer.
That being said, if he is signed to a relatively cheap deal, I would not be opposed to it for the following reasons:
1. According to the reports from Washington this year, he has matured and demonstrated character growth.
2. If we are going to rely on the defense and a running game to win, his moderate salary would allow us to continue to build a great defense and his presence and tools would dramatically improve our running game.
3. Opportunity for Savage's development and another mid round draft pick at QB would still be present.
4. If the offense still sucked next year with RGIII at QB, at least it would be a different kind of suck.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Would this be another stop gap move? The 3rd in OBs 3 seasons? Sure, he'd be an upgrade over Hoyer, but that's not saying much.
You bring in Griffin on the cheap and if he doesn't work, if he hasn't learned to read defenses, understand a playbook, you know, play NFL QB, then we go into a 4th year still looking. When is this franchise going to really bite the bullet and get this QB situation addressed with something other than retreads?
The change of scenery angle might be something to consider, but how many successful examples of that are there? The go to is Steve Young but he sat behind a real QB for 4 years after he got to Frisco.
I see the phrase "kick the tires" used around here ad nauseam. How about kicking the tires on drafting a franchise QB? Enough of this stop gap crap already.
You bring in Griffin on the cheap and if he doesn't work, if he hasn't learned to read defenses, understand a playbook, you know, play NFL QB, then we go into a 4th year still looking. When is this franchise going to really bite the bullet and get this QB situation addressed with something other than retreads?
The change of scenery angle might be something to consider, but how many successful examples of that are there? The go to is Steve Young but he sat behind a real QB for 4 years after he got to Frisco.
I see the phrase "kick the tires" used around here ad nauseam. How about kicking the tires on drafting a franchise QB? Enough of this stop gap crap already.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think if RG3 is brought in they will still draft a QB; however I don't think they have a shot at drafting one of the top three QBs. Also, I believe Coker could be a franchise player.
Was in the car this evening listening to 610 when Pendergast started talking about a listener who was either at the dentist or doctors office today and saw RG3 there. They started talking and RG3 said something to the effect that he will find out soon if he will be signing with the Texans and that they need a QB. So, something is definitely "brewing!" Personally, I don't think he is the kind of QB that BOB is looking for, and with his injury history and other baggage, I would rather he not sign here. I was really hoping he'd end up in Dallas or one of the other cities that's desperate for a QB and then we might be able to scratch them off the "who's looking for a QB draft list!"
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
If he does come here make him wear a damn brace on his knee. Walk him up to JJ and tell him if JJ can maturely decide to wear one prophylactically for the rest of his career then he can too.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
By the rules? yes you can not have official talks.
Now if his agent is shopping at the Galleria and bumps into Rick Smith and they have small talk? Sure why not?
Right. If anything is happening now, it's going to be a trade.
I sure hope they wouldn't even think about a trade until they know what Washington is going to do with him and Cousins...
I could wrap my head around signing the guy reasonably to compete with Savage/Draft Pick. Trading anything whatsoever though ...
michaelm
vox nihili
I'm not sure trades can even be discussed at this point, at least not within the rules.
Why in God's name would they even consider bringing RG3 here. The guy has had 2 reconstructions of the same knee, plus he's concussion prone. But injury history aside, the two biggest issues plaguing him are his inability to read the field and propensity to get sacked too often. This is what happens to any mobile QB who is no longer mobile.
i fully understand the need to upgrade the QB position. But they won't be upgrading it by bringing this baggage carrying bust.
i fully understand the need to upgrade the QB position. But they won't be upgrading it by bringing this baggage carrying bust.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Absent a new contract a trade would mean $16.155 mil as his 5th year option number. I could see them doing some kind of conditional draft pick but then that would have to be 2017 draft picks. Can't see any kind of trade without a new contract though.
michaelm - pretty sure teams can talk trade right now but don't have anything to prove it.
michaelm - pretty sure teams can talk trade right now but don't have anything to prove it.
I think that they can talk, but nothing can happen until after the league new year
This is my understanding as well.
Not allowing teams to talk to potential free agents is about protecting the owning teams ability to negotiate "fairly." Trades have nothing to do with that. & in this case if Washington were set on not bringing RG3 back, it's possible they would allow other teams to negotiate with him before free agency.
But I can't see them allowing it without a trade/deal being "likely"
I don't see where RGIII is concussion prone. He's only had one, that I know of, and got plenty of rest (as in the entire 2015 season) to recover from it.
I hear ya about the knee, but again, he's had plenty of time to rehab that and his dislocated ankle. Change his footwear and put a brace on his knee.
If the Texans use his talents properly, he's more prone to score a touchdown than get sacked. Like I've stated elsewhere, use him like Seattle uses Wilson. Have some designed QB runs to keep the D honest and use some boots and moving pockets.
RGIII isn't so much of a bust as the Redskins, as an organization, are.
Here's a good article to read on RGIII's timeline.
Honestly, if you had a job around NRG stadium and could buy about anyplace, wouldn't you buy in River Oaks or Tanglewood, something closer and not in Lake Conroe ? Anybody who knows anything about Houston knows that would be a hellish commute ! The Woodlands would be bad enough, but Conroe is even farther north.
Hey I do kinda hope he does come to Houston.
How do you guys think RG3 will be received by Texans fans?
Do you think he'll be looked at as an elite talent that needs time to develop?
Or do you think he'll be looked at as the latest retread in the line of Fitzpatrick, Mallett, Hoyer?
It would be nice if he came here & started winning right off the bat. But if he were to start, I think we'll see him struggle as he tries to cope with a new offense & reduced athleticism. Of course it's been so long that anyone has actually seen him play & I may be overstating the effects of his injury, but...
If he were to struggle, are we going to be "ok" with letting him work his way through it. If we're 2-5, are we ok with trotting him back out there? If we're down 13-0 at the half & he's responsible for four turnovers, are we ok with him starting the 2nd half?
Or do we just think he's so good, we'll never be in those positions?
Do you think he'll be looked at as an elite talent that needs time to develop?
Or do you think he'll be looked at as the latest retread in the line of Fitzpatrick, Mallett, Hoyer?
It would be nice if he came here & started winning right off the bat. But if he were to start, I think we'll see him struggle as he tries to cope with a new offense & reduced athleticism. Of course it's been so long that anyone has actually seen him play & I may be overstating the effects of his injury, but...
If he were to struggle, are we going to be "ok" with letting him work his way through it. If we're 2-5, are we ok with trotting him back out there? If we're down 13-0 at the half & he's responsible for four turnovers, are we ok with him starting the 2nd half?
Or do we just think he's so good, we'll never be in those positions?
He's not as bright as I thought he was.
I dont see the issue with bringing in RGIII as a flier and drafting a QB. Yes he has issues reading defenses, but with the work that BOB did with Fitz/Hoyer getting their best seasons out of them, it's reasonable to think BOB can help RGIII improve and RGIII was born more talent than Fitz/Hoyer could ever dream of having.
They still need to draft a QB high though to hedge their bets though. Marcus apparently doesn't think people have the ability to improve at 25 yrs old. Not really shocking coming coming from a crusty old man.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I'm wondering what for a lack of better words, "casual fans" and what they think
PapaL
Loose Screw
I'd gladly trade Hoyer and a bag of balls for him.
Ya'll acting like it's a done deal already. I can't see it happening. Not at all. First he's not a FA yet, he would have to be released and then it's a bidding war if there is any interest in him at all. I certainly don't see the Texans giving up picks or outbidding probably Jerrah for his services, even if they did want him. And it's not a sure bet that Washington releases him AND keeps Cousins... they probably will but does anyone know for sure? He doesn't seem like an OB guy to me but I could be wrong. O'Brien has stated that intelligence is one of the most important attributes he looks for in a QB, ya'll think Griffin fits that mold?