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Robert Griffin III could be the Texans next quarterback

Porky

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Typical internet rumor or where there is smoke there is fire?

According to NFL Media, the Redskins will release Robert Griffin III at the end of the season after being unable to trade him. Once he hits the free-agent market, Griffin will have plenty of suitors.

The Texans, Eagles and Cowboys are reportedly interested in Griffin, who was praised this year by the Redskins coaching staff for how he handled his demotion behind Kirk Cousins but would cherish a fresh start with a new team.

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport also said Saints coach Sean Payton has some interest in Griffin, either having Griffin in New Orleans or “wherever Payton lands.”

Robert Griffin is a Texas native and was the 2011 Heisman Trophy winner at Baylor in Waco, some three hours up the Interstate from Houston. With a built-in fan base in the area, the quarterback-starved Texans would make the most sense. Likewise, the Cowboys aren’t far from where RGIII made his name and struggled mightily this season after starting quarterback Tony Romo went down with a broken collarbone.
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It sounds weird and probably way out of left field, but you really have to take a good, long look at this. For starters, consider the fact that Washington may be the dumbest team alive in the NFL. Griffin had tremendous potential to work with, and everyone saw it. But the rub with him was that he needed to be developed. Let me repeat that again: he needed to be developed. Washington treated him like a plug-and-play starter and threw him out there expecting magic. What they should have done is come up with a sensible plan to bring him along, and then stick to the plan. They never did, Griffin struggled, and they smacked themselves silly trying to figure out why.

Oh yeah, they shouldn’t have thrown him out there with a bum knee, either.

Meanwhile, let’s look at the Texans. Brian Hoyer is about as exciting as watching paint dry. He’s clearly a placeholder, a body that is there to give the team enough time to find a long-term answer. Houston is only three short hours away from Baylor University, where Griffin is still revered as a god. And, by virtue of the fact that they’re not in Washington, if nothing else, the coaching staff will be the smartest Griffin’s been around in his career.

The Texans want to make a big draft trade for a quarterback? Great, because Griffin doesn’t get in the way. The Texans get lucky and they hit on a quarterback later in the draft? Go ahead and roll with him, because Griffin’s not expensive enough to bench.

Houston can give Griffin everything he needs: a friendlier atmosphere, a more sensible coaching staff, and no pressure to perform quickly thanks to Hoyer. There, Griffin could take a deep breath and just learn. Who knows, perhaps a change of scenery is just what Griffin needs. Whoever gives that to him could find themselves benefiting richly, and right now there’s no finer place than Houston.
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Well I think with the Texans the policy is to give everyone who has ever thrown a pass a turn, so I'm sure RGIII will get his turn too.
 
ugh....tired of has beens and never was QBs....this franchise needs to hire someone that can actually evaluate young talent and coach them to play in the NFL, even if that learning curve is a couple of seasons. I can be patient with a process, but putting retreads on a race car only results in the mediocrity that we have become accustomed to as Texans fans.
 
I wouldn't have a problem with bringing him in to kick the tires, in a Matt Lienart kind of way, but I'm not overly excited about the idea. A QB has to be able to win to stay on the field & learn to play the game. RGIII's ability to win games was tied to his athletic ability & as far as I know he's lost that ability.

I'd be much more excited about Colin Kaepernick. Reportedly we inquired about him last season & the 49ers weren't ready to give him up. Hopefully we can reach an agreeable deal.

Of course, if Hoyer/Weeden look like a starter for our remaining games, I'm willing to roll with the status quo (bumping Savage up to back up if there isn't a prospect they love).
 
thunderkyss said:
I wouldn't have a problem with bringing him in to kick the tires, in a Matt Lienart kind of way, but I'm not overly excited about the idea. A QB has to be able to win to stay on the field & learn to play the game. RGIII's ability to win games was tied to his athletic ability & as far as I know he's lost that ability.

I'd be much more excited about Colin Kaepernick. Reportedly we inquired about him last season & the 49ers weren't ready to give him up. Hopefully we can reach an agreeable deal.

Of course, if Hoyer/Weeden look like a starter for our remaining games, I'm willing to roll with the status quo (bumping Savage up to back up if there isn't a prospect they love).
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Agree on Kap over RG3. I feel like Obrien and the coaches can get his mechanics where they want em. Plus no major knee injury.
 
thunderkyss said:
I wouldn't have a problem with bringing him in to kick the tires, in a Matt Lienart kind of way, but I'm not overly excited about the idea. A QB has to be able to win to stay on the field & learn to play the game. RGIII's ability to win games was tied to his athletic ability & as far as I know he's lost that ability.

I'd be much more excited about Colin Kaepernick. Reportedly we inquired about him last season & the 49ers weren't ready to give him up. Hopefully we can reach an agreeable deal.

Of course, if Hoyer/Weeden look like a starter for our remaining games, I'm willing to roll with the status quo (bumping Savage up to back up if there isn't a prospect they love).
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I'd take Kaepernick any day over RGIII. Kap, with his limited skillset, has actually acheived something in the league.

RGIII is all hype, and to be honest, I don't like his attitude. From many reports, RGIII is not a team player and many of the offensive linemen don't even like the guy as a person.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'd take Kaepernick any day over RGIII. Kap, with his limited skillset, has actually acheived something in the league.

RGIII is all hype, and to be honest, I don't like his attitude. From many reports, RGIII is not a team player and many of the offensive linemen don't even like the guy as a person.
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All hype? I mean look, maybe to a point. But few have had better rookie seasons. I mean don't you at least want to see if he can regain that magic? I prefer him to Kap as I think he has a higher ceiling and a better skillset. I'd be interested in either - I STILL want to draft a QB in the first 2 rounds, or worst case top 3 rounds either way.
 
Porky said:
All hype? I mean look, maybe to a point. But few have had better rookie seasons. I mean don't you at least want to see if he can regain that magic? I prefer him to Kap as I think he has a higher ceiling and a better skillset. I'd be interested in either - I STILL want to draft a QB in the first 2 rounds, or worst case top 3 rounds either way.
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Vince Young also had a good rookie season. RGIII is not a team player. You cannot have some self-absorbed prima donna as your QB and expect him to lead men. The dude appears incapable of accepting responsibility and accountability and continues to display traits that undermine cohesive team strategy. I'd be surprised if O'Brien is really interested in this guy.

And I agree with xtruroyaltyx in that I honestly want neither of them. Let's get a real QB in here.
 
I would like the Wonderlic Scores of every player considered at QB since this is a complex offense.
 
Double Barrel said:
ugh....tired of has beens and never was QBs....this franchise needs to hire someone that can actually evaluate young talent and coach them to play in the NFL, even if that learning curve is a couple of seasons. I can be patient with a process, but putting retreads on a race car only results in the mediocrity that we have become accustomed to as Texans fans.
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I understand the logic, but the defense is hitting its prime. Do we have 2-3 years? I would be very happy with a game manager right now. Clearly that's not RG III, but a retread might be our best bet at the moment.
 
TD said:
I understand the logic, but the defense is hitting its prime. Do we have 2-3 years? I would be very happy with a game manager right now. Clearly that's not RG III, but a retread might be our best bet at the moment.
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Then bring back Fitzpatrick. ;)

I do wonder if Weeden has it in him to be a game managing QB. No predictions, but I don't think anyone has really seen what he is ultimately capable of with the Browns or Cowboys.
 
Since RGIII last two knee ops, I think he's done. He can't run anymore. Maybe CnD can provide a better light on the subject.
 
RG3?? How many knee surgeries and concussions would it take to say "Aw Hell F'ck No!!"

Jeez
 
Even though griffin may be talented he is mentally soft. He can't handle scrutiny or harsh criticism and obrien isn't one to mince words. I think he has ability but he acts like a star instead of playing like one. With those that say target a qb in the draft and do what you can to develop him into a good player. If all else fails and your only option is kaepernick or griffin I'd say kaepernick. Even then it's short term at best.
 
I'm not going to get behind this if it happens. I can't. I don't want this guy anywhere near a team I follow.
 
Personally, I agree with those who would rather pass on all the "retread" QB's. I think we've seen enough of those here the past 2-3 years to last a lifetime. My hope is they draft a QB in the 1st round (Keeping my fingers crossed Wentz is still there!) and then sit the 1st year while Hoyer or Savage play next season. Then draft or find some Free Agent RB, OT, and TE to shore up the rest of the Offense.
 
When the Texans went to Richmond in preseason to train with the Redskins, John Harris made an observation on RG3 that foreshadowed his demotion.

22. Speaking of the other team, I didn’t really get to see Robert Griffin III throw the ball that much but when I did, it was good but not great. One thing stood out more than anything else and that was it seemed that RGIII was aiming the ball and not driving the ball and trusting his throwing mechanics. It was almost as if he was hoping the ball to his receivers more so than throwing it, if that makes sense. That said, he is BELOVED up here in Virginia. Wow. I stayed around to record two or three TV segments and nearly everyone was off the field. Then, I looked over as I was recording and RGIII came back out after his media sessions and signed autographs for a ton of fans for the next 45 minutes. This obviously is a huge year for him in Washington and this is a great defense for him to face this weekend.
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Link

Two things stood out to me there:

First, if a 3rd year QB is exhibiting problems with throwing mechanics one year after injury, then he is unfixable.

Second, your QB is a local celebrity despite his unfixable throwing mechanics, which is galvanizing his entitlement attitude, so maybe you shouldn't move him right down the road from the school where he's bigger than Jesus.

The good news is that John Harris has O'Brien's ear, and should be well aware of this observation too.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'd take Kaepernick any day over RGIII. Kap, with his limited skillset, has actually acheived something in the league.

RGIII is all hype, and to be honest, I don't like his attitude. From many reports, RGIII is not a team player and many of the offensive linemen don't even like the guy as a person.
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Kap is terrible...basically a more mobile Mallet...dude only has a fastball, zero touch and he can't read a defense to save his life...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Honestly I don't want either of them for different reasons.

If Sean Payton leaves NO, I wouldn't mind bringing in Brees.
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I'm with you here. I don't see any downside to bringing in Brees, with the only exception of how much money he might cost.

Brees has at least a couple of years in the tank, and from my view, by building the OL and adding offensive weapons in the draft, we have more than a fair shot at automatic contention.

We take a QB high enough that our staff feels comfy with, but with Brees as a mentor it takes a lot of pressure off of everybody, while we really shake up the AFC south.

Just imagine an AFC south that now reads, Brees, Bortles, Luck and Mariota. That puts us clearly ahead, on this limited paper-view, with a HOFer - and a real Texas boy - in the mix.

Perhaps Brees might bring out better qualities in OB, too, that OB doesn't have to worry about the QB position so much.

Now we're talking getting rid of Hoyer (for health reasons, of course), with a battle between Savage, Weeden and the new guy for the backup role. Whoever doesn't cut it...bye! (Of course the new guy stays, but in what capacity is another story, until he's ready.) Hell, think about the added pressure removed even if the wrong rookie is picked, with a guy like Brees. We could have yet another shot in the draft (though I hope not).
 
If Kaepernick or RG3 are here next year, I'll have fun rooting against the Texans while watching them crash and burn some more hoping that Smith's coffin is finally being dug up. It clearly isn't going to happen this year, but if that becomes their plan, the Texans will just be a disappointing team with a larger spotlight on them for being disappointing.
 
I see some folks say no to Kaep which is fine, and you already know what he offers. But some have trust in a unicorn QB who could be the next Leaf, Russel , Bradford or Alex Smith?
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
I see some folks say no to Kaep which is fine, and you already know what he offers. But some have trust in a unicorn QB who could be the next Leaf, Russel , Bradford or Alex Smith?
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So that means we should waste a season on Kap or some other "never was" guy because everyone else automatically would be a failed unicorn instead of a long term answer? At what point then would it be acceptable to look at a young QB since right now they're all unicorns?
 
Texecutioner said:
So that means we should waste a season on Kap or some other "never was" guy because everyone else automatically would be a failed unicorn instead of a long term answer? At what point then would it be acceptable to look at a young QB since right now they're all unicorns?
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What some forget Kap got to the SB...
I'm not against drafting a QB, but I also don't think it's as big a need as some. 50/50 crap shoot. I'd rather Savage get a legitimate shot before investing in a rookie.
 
ehhh does not seem the type of QB Bill o brien Likes IMO he like QB's taller then 5'8 Mallett type QB taller then 6 feet
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
What some forget Kap got to the SB...
I'm not against drafting a QB, but I also don't think it's as big a need as some. 50/50 crap shoot. I'd rather Savage get a legitimate shot before investing in a rookie.
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Kaep made the Super Bowl with the best defense in the league, a healthy Gore, best OL in the league, a good HC, and he ran the read option.

The struggles with Kaep started when they tried to make him more of a pocket passer. He simply couldn't make that transition. He has problems reading defense's and he has accuracy issues because he only knows how to throw a fastball. The only way I can see Kaep being successful in this league again is if he gets to run the read option and he runs more. Keep the game simple for him. "Look for D-Hop, if he's not open, RUN!"

I think RGIII is a better QB, but his knees will never be the same anymore. And I think his confidence is shot.

Personally, I agree with you and I'd rather see Savage get a legit shot over those two guys.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
I see some folks say no to Kaep which is fine, and you already know what he offers. But some have trust in a unicorn QB who could be the next Leaf, Russel , Bradford or Alex Smith?
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I agree with not reaching for a QB, but Alex Smith is a bad example. He's looking pretty good at the moment with no Jamal Charles.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
What some forget Kap got to the SB...
I'm not against drafting a QB, but I also don't think it's as big a need as some. 50/50 crap shoot. I'd rather Savage get a legitimate shot before investing in a rookie.
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Kaepernick and RG3 are known values. Savage is 2 for 2 seasons on IR.

So basically you'd rather put all your chips on a weak hand instead of drawing from the deck.
 
Insideop said:
Personally, I agree with those who would rather pass on all the "retread" QB's. I think we've seen enough of those here the past 2-3 years to last a lifetime. My hope is they draft a QB in the 1st round (Keeping my fingers crossed Wentz is still there!) and then sit the 1st year while Hoyer or Savage play next season. Then draft or find some Free Agent RB, OT, and TE to shore up the rest of the Offense.
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The Plan - if any of Goff, Cook, Lynch and Wentz are still there. Draft and sit behind QBs already under Contract. Personally, I'd like to see
Savage unless Weedon or Hoyer break out during post season.

The Plan - If none of the above? Savage unless Weedon or Hoyer break out during post season. I don't think Hoyer objects to being a backup anymore (he always handled it well anyway) with his inclination toward concussions. Reduce risk AND keep his NFL Salary seems like a reasonable family man approach.

I need to check with Troy Chapman to see if there is contract information on our recent QB pickups for 2016. They are almost always too low to make the top 52/53 on Overthecap.

But IF we need another body, Kap just rose on my list with his Wonderlic.

ps - Since the subject is RGIII, then NO! His value was as a superior athlete and he isn't one anymore.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
Robert Griffin: 24
Colin Kaepernick: 38

Brian Hoyer: 24
Brandon Weeden: 27
T.J. Yates: 29
Tom Savage: 29

Ryan Mallett: 26
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 48

Here: https://qbscores.wordpress.com/ or elsewhere.
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So Brian F'ing Hoyer, the QB that OB has been leg-humping from the day he got the job as the guy who can run this uber-complicated offense, has the lowest Wonderlic of all the QB's that have been on the roster the last two years. In fact, the only one who is even close to him is Ryan Mallett. Let those words roll off your tongue and see how they taste. Ryan Mallett has a higher wonderlic than OB's hand-picked QB. Ryan. Mallett.
 
sandman said:
So Brian F'ing Hoyer, the QB that OB has been leg-humping from the day he got the job as the guy who can run this uber-complicated offense, has the lowest Wonderlic of all the QB's that have been on the roster the last two years. In fact, the only one who is even close to him is Ryan Mallett. Let those words roll off your tongue and see how they taste. Ryan Mallett has a higher wonderlic than OB's hand-picked QB. Ryan. Mallett.
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:rolleyes: If only the wonderlic was a good indicator of what makes a good QB


Steve Mcnair 1995 Alcorn State 15
Randall Cunningham 1985 UNLV 15
Jim Kelly 1983 Miami 15
Dan Marino 1983 Pittsburgh 15
Terry Bradshaw 1970 Louisiana tech 15

Ryan Fitzpatrick 2005 Harvard 48
Greg McElroy 2011 Alabama 43
Jason Maas 1999 Oregon 43
Blaine Gabbert 2011 Missouri 42
Drew Henson 2000 Michigan 42
Bruce Eugene 2006 Grambling State 41

Find a valid argument at least
 
JB said:
:rolleyes: If only the wonderlic was a good indicator of what makes a good QB


Steve Mcnair 1995 Alcorn State 15
Randall Cunningham 1985 UNLV 15
Jim Kelly 1983 Miami 15
Dan Marino 1983 Pittsburgh 15
Terry Bradshaw 1970 Louisiana tech 15

Ryan Fitzpatrick 2005 Harvard 48
Greg McElroy 2011 Alabama 43
Jason Maas 1999 Oregon 43
Blaine Gabbert 2011 Missouri 42
Drew Henson 2000 Michigan 42
Bruce Eugene 2006 Grambling State 41

Find a valid argument at least
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The complexity of the offense makes those Athletic Wonders at 15 less useful and the less athletic Mind Wonders more useful. None of those Athletic Wonders ran complex offenses. They just overpowered their opposition with physical superiority and better situations. Getting both is better, but I'll still take the brain over the brawn when you have to make a choice.
 
Marshall said:
The complexity of the offense makes those Athletic Wonders at 15 less useful and the less athletic Mind Wonders more useful. None of those Athletic Wonders ran complex offenses. They just overpowered their opposition with physical superiority and better situations. Getting both is better, but I'll still take the brain over the brawn when you have to make a choice.
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yeah Kelly and Marino operated very simple offenses for the times... Gabbert and Henson however ran really complex schemes. And no QB taken high in the draft goes into a pristine situation. Nice try
 
JB said:
:rolleyes: If only the wonderlic was a good indicator of what makes a good QB


Steve Mcnair 1995 Alcorn State 15
Randall Cunningham 1985 UNLV 15
Jim Kelly 1983 Miami 15
Dan Marino 1983 Pittsburgh 15
Terry Bradshaw 1970 Louisiana tech 15

Ryan Fitzpatrick 2005 Harvard 48
Greg McElroy 2011 Alabama 43
Jason Maas 1999 Oregon 43
Blaine Gabbert 2011 Missouri 42
Drew Henson 2000 Michigan 42
Bruce Eugene 2006 Grambling State 41

Find a valid argument at least
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There is lots of sarcasm and irony in that post. Along with a bit of truth. Would blue font help? I'll remember that next time. Enjoy your holidays.
 
sandman said:
There is lots of sarcasm and irony in that post. Along with a bit of truth. Would blue font help? I'll remember that next time. Enjoy your holidays.
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yeah maybe it would... after another couple drinks I still don't see your sarcasm... looked like you were taking a shot to me

Happy holidays to you and yours also
 
I wouldn't mind giving Griffin a (SHOT), i mean what would it really hurt at this point considering our QBs are currently Hoyer and Weeden. I keep hearing everyone say how complex OBs system is, well i don't see it. It looks plain jane, and often times ineffective to me. I doubt Griffin would have a problem learning it....
 
EllisUnit said:
I wouldn't mind giving Griffin a (SHOT), i mean what would it really hurt at this point considering our QBs are currently Hoyer and Weeden. I keep hearing everyone say how complex OBs system is, well i don't see it. It looks plain jane, and often times ineffective to me. I doubt Griffin would have a problem learning it....
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As opposed to the C making the line calls under Kubiak the QB has that added responsibility in addition to having more audible options. Kubiak also ran several plays out of the same formation so less adjustment there. I am sure Griffin is capable but his willingness has been questioned.
 
Mr teX said:
Kap is terrible...basically a more mobile Mallet...dude only has a fastball, zero touch and he can't read a defense to save his life...
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I do not want either one of them. My post you quoted was a direct reply to having to choose between the two, and RGIII would be last on just about any list for me. I'd even take Hoyer over RGIII. *shudder*

But, yeah, keep Kap away from Houston, as well. I seriously doubt O'Brien would be interested in either QB based on what we know he looks for in his signal callers.

If they do go with RGIII, I won't stop being a Texans fan, but I'd seriously consider not watching pro football for awhile....kidding...sort of...
 
I was pretty sure we would target Matt mclovin I mean mcgolin

Since he played for bill at Penn

And might I had led his raiders at beat the Texans
 
If I am getting a qb this off-season, I am throwing the book at Drew Brees and the Saints. Let a rookie or Savage sit behind him and learn.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
What some forget Kap got to the SB...
I'm not against drafting a QB, but I also don't think it's as big a need as some. 50/50 crap shoot. I'd rather Savage get a legitimate shot before investing in a rookie.
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When was this again? Not last season. Opposing teams figure out QB's that are one trick pony's. Give me a QB that is dedicated to his craft and can read defenses any day over guys like Kap, Griffin & Young. Cam Newton is killing the league because he can not only run around or over people but he can read a defense just as well or even better. QB's that run and are mobile are great to have, but sooner or later a defender is going to put a hurting on them.
 
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