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Bryan Hoyer Fan Club

DocBar said:
Do you have a point? A TD beats the hell out of 5 punts and a missed FG. And your quote doesn't include the busted coverage, go ahead TD play. In a one score game. Basically, you're trying to cherry pick stats.
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My point is, as bad as the defense played in the 1st half, they came out with 6 straight stops in the 2nd half and the offense responded by scoring just once on 6 possessions. We had multiple chances to do more than just tie the game and we didn't take advantage.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't want to put it all on Hoyer.

Overall, I thought it was a good game. Plenty of back & forth. Our offense beat there defense & scored. Their offense beat our defense & scored. Our defense beat their offense & got us the ball back. Their defense beat our offense & got them the ball back.

That's football.

But there was a point where we had opportunities to score & take the lead. But we never did. That one there at the end, we're we could have tied the game again... Hoyer threw 4 balls that no one was going to catch, giving us no reasonable chance of winning.

Every body does what they have to do to give us a chance to win the game at the end. I mentioned before, I was impressed that Hoyer did what he needed to do to keep the game in contention.

But at the end, he choked.
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A good portion of those balls were very much catchable..his placement was bad overall in those last 2 drives but many were definitely catchable. the one he threw to Shorts that he dropped when he got lit up was right on the money that was a 1st down throw by Hoyer that would've extended that drive... The one he threw to Nuk that he dropped was behind him a little but very catchable and also was a 1st down throw..

There was a throw deep and the 1 late in the game that he missed Washington on...dude was under seige and got lit up both times literally the split second after he released that ball both times... U can't fault the guy for errant throws in those situations..
 
WolverineFan said:
My point is, as bad as the defense played in the 1st half, they came out with 6 straight stops in the 2nd half and the offense responded by scoring just once on 6 possessions. We had multiple chances to do more than just tie the game and we didn't take advantage.
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Ok. It's all Hoyer's fault. I get it. I disagree, but I get it.
 
Mr teX said:
A good portion of those balls were very much catchable..his placement was bad overall in those last 2 drives but many were definitely catchable. the one he threw to Shorts that he dropped when he got lit up was right on the money that was a 1st down throw by Hoyer that would've extended that drive... The one he threw to Nuk that he dropped was behind him a little but very catchable and also was a 1st down throw..

There was a throw deep and the 1 late in the game that he missed Washington on...dude was under seige and got lit up both times literally the split second after he released that ball both times... U can't fault the guy for errant throws in those situations..
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And now you sound like the people you mocked commenting on Mallett.

DocBar said:
Ok. It's all Hoyer's fault. I get it. I disagree, but I get it.
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It's rarely ever, if ever, all one person's fault in an NFL game. Hoyer was a major contributer and is a huge limit on what this team can do.
 
infantrycak said:
And now you sound like the people you mocked commenting on Mallett.



It's rarely ever, if ever, all one person's fault in an NFL game. Hoyer was a major contributer and is a huge limit on what this team can do.
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Lol, yeah I must admit I do a little...
 
infantrycak said:
And now you sound like the people you mocked commenting on Mallett.



It's rarely ever, if ever, all one person's fault in an NFL game. o.[Hoyer was a major contributer and is a huge limit on what this team can d/QUOTE]
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infantrycak said:
And now you sound like the people you mocked commenting on Mallett.



It's rarely ever, if ever, all one person's fault in an NFL game. Hoyer was a major contributer and is a huge limit on what this team can do.
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Please elaborate.
 
Mr teX said:
A good portion of those balls were very much catchable..his placement was bad overall in those last 2 drives but many were definitely catchable...
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No, I'm only talking about those four that were unwatchable. On that possession we went 4 & out.
 
thunderkyss said:
No, I'm only talking about those four that were unwatchable. On that possession we went 4 & out.
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So what your saying then is that your basing your analysis of this guy's play on 4 plays...ok...that's COMPLETELY reasonable. .:kubepalm:
 
OMG, Brady threw behind his receiver, Philly blocked the punt and scored a TD. BENCH BRADY NOW!!
 
DocBar said:
OMG, Brady threw behind his receiver, Philly blocked the punt and scored a TD. BENCH BRADY NOW!!
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Mr teX said:
Well we saw what he did last week at the end of the game and in OT...3 and out and took a bad sack on 2nd down...OMG bench him he sucks..
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Y'all are making yourselves look foolish.
Brady has a million clutch drives, season records, etc. to offset the occasional fail. Hoyer has...wait, it isn't the mango...nope, got nada to balance out his overall backup performance.
 
Hoyer has failed to get better as the season goes on. He just looks bad out there. Yates isn't any better, but for some reason I'd rather see him out there at this point. I can't believe I just said that either.
 
Texecutioner said:
Hoyer has failed to get better as the season goes on. He just looks bad out there. Yates isn't any better, but for some reason I'd rather see him out there at this point. I can't believe I just said that either.
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This is an indictment because both Tex and I were big Yates ain't all that guys. But I'd rather see Yates too.

Hoyer can get a certain amount done but he plays scared and analysis paralysis resulting in a matriculation offense he can't carry off.
 
Texecutioner said:
Hoyer has failed to get better as the season goes on. He just looks bad out there..
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I was impressed with the way Hoyer started the game. I honestly didn't think he'd start playing before going three scores down.

So I think he's had to have gotten somewhat "better".

But there at the end, four uncatchable balls when we really needed the score... classic Hoyer.
 
infantrycak said:
Y'all are making yourselves look foolish.
Brady has a million clutch drives, season records, etc. to offset the occasional fail. Hoyer has...wait, it isn't the mango...nope, got nada to balance out his overall backup performance.
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The Brady stuff is all sarcasm....& I'm sure u know that cak...the only people who look foolish are those who try to blame every single failure this team has on Hoyer.

Couldn't stop the run, got beat bad in the secondary multiple times for big plays, gave up 30 pts on defense, stupid penalties....tons of other reasons why this team didn't win today. It can't just be the team as a whole didn't play well enough to win though...the narrative is "Hoyer sucks which is why we lost"...and that's just a ridiculously simplistic and lazy analysis of the situation..
 
infantrycak said:
This is an indictment because both Tex and I were big Yates ain't all that guys. But I'd rather see Yates too.

Hoyer can get a certain amount done but he plays scared and analysis paralysis resulting in a matriculation offense he can't carry off.
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Yeah, Yates has always been just awful to watch, but Hoyer just gives me no confidence. Yates every now and then can make a big throw or at least a really nice play at an important time on 3rd downs. Yates has more of an "it" factor than Hoyer does. NOt that it means much, because he doesn't have an it factor. Maybe I'm just so sick of bad QB play from Hoyer/Mallet that Yates is just the next guy that I haven't seen as much. Lol!

Either way, I can't wait for another QB man.
 
Texecutioner said:
Hoyer has failed to get better as the season goes on. He just looks bad out there. Yates isn't any better, but for some reason I'd rather see him out there at this point. I can't believe I just said that either.
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Well atleast Yates will take some shots, and give the WR a shot to catch the ball. Hoyer does not check all his reads, and when he does take a shot it sucks.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, Yates has always been just awful to watch, but Hoyer just gives me no confidence. Yates every now and then can make a big throw or at least a really nice play at an important time on 3rd downs. Yates has more of an "it" factor than Hoyer does. NOt that it means much, because he doesn't have an it factor. Maybe I'm just so sick of bad QB play from Hoyer/Mallet that Yates is just the next guy that I haven't seen as much. Lol!

Either way, I can't wait for another QB man.
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That's exactly what it is...the back up qb is always the fan favorite until he plays that is.
 
Mr teX said:
The Brady stuff is all sarcasm....& I'm sure u know that cak...the only people who look foolish are those who try to blame every single failure this team has on Hoyer.

Couldn't stop the run, got beat bad in the secondary multiple times for big plays, gave up 30 pts on defense, stupid penalties....tons of other reasons why this team didn't win today. It can't just be the team as a whole didn't play well enough to win though...the narrative is "Hoyer sucks which is why we lost"...and that's just a ridiculously simplistic and lazy analysis of the situation..
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You are right that it isn't all on Hoyer, but he just can't do much extra for the team if everything isn't working. He is just like "bad Schaub" when Schaub became a complete mess to where he is incapable of making things happen on his own or playing at a higher level than the team members that make things difficult for him. He just doesn't cut it. I knew that once this game was really close at the end of the game that he would likely wither our opportunities while the Bills QB would likely make a few big plays down the stretch. This game was lost basically because of the differences at QB.
 
Texecutioner said:
You are right that it isn't all on Hoyer, but he just can't do much extra for the team if everything isn't working. He is just like "bad Schaub" when Schaub became a complete mess to where he is incapable of making things happen on his own or playing at a higher level than the team members that make things difficult for him.
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I think it's worse than that. I don't expect him to play at a higher level, all I want is consistent.

Hoyer's play drops a notch when he's pressured. If we're talking about pass rush that would be understandable. Everybody's play drops a notch when they're about to get sacked.

But with Hoyer, just the pressure of a "big game," or "game winning drive" seems to be enough to affect his play.
 
Texecutioner said:
You are right that it isn't all on Hoyer, but he just can't do much extra for the team if everything isn't working. He is just like "bad Schaub" when Schaub became a complete mess to where he is incapable of making things happen on his own or playing at a higher level than the team members that make things difficult for him. He just doesn't cut it. I knew that once this game was really close at the end of the game that he would likely wither our opportunities while the Bills QB would likely make a few big plays down the stretch. This game was lost basically because of the differences at QB.
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It was lost b/c the bills made more plays and were more consistent than we were overall...its just that simple. Yes Hoyer could've made more plays than he did, but there were at least 30+ other guys that had the opportunity to make Plays down the stretch too that could help this team get a win today and they failed as well.

If Hal or KJ come up with those ints late in the game for pick 6's..the game is likely sealed and we win our 5th straight...if Hoyer is able to step into that deep shot and follow through on his throw on the pass he launched to Washington late in the game..difference maker..If we could run the ball worth a lick, stop getting stupid penalties.. maybe we're not behind the sticks as much as we were today and the playcalling is different.
 
Mr teX said:
That's exactly what it is...the back up qb is always the fan favorite until he plays that is.
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Played pretty well against a good Jets defense to me, and did hlp us beat the Bengals. Do i think Yates will become all Pro, NO, do i want him as my starter next season NO, but i get really sick of seeing Hoyer out there. Yates may not be a world beater, but he is no worse than Hoyer.
 
EllisUnit said:
Played pretty well against a good Jets defense to me, and did hlp us beat the Bengals. Do i think Yates will become all Pro, NO, do i want him as my starter next season NO, but i get really sick of seeing Hoyer out there. Yates may not be a world beater, but he is no worse than Hoyer.
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yates didn't play any better in the Jets game than Hoyer played today...actually played worse b/c he had a TO and threw less TDs. Doesn't matter if a guy throws 50 yd bombs for Tds or 3 yd shuffle passes..still worth the same. .the only difference is we won the jets game and we lost the bills game... And the defense played good in the Jets game vs. today. However The qb play was hardly the difference in the results of each game.
 
How a QB plays the game affects the game. You can rack up stats playing almost any ol' way. But how affects what the D is doing, what the OC is calling, etc.

It's a ripple effect and Hoyer is a chastity belt on the offense.
 
Mr teX said:
My view 100%.. Guys thinking a franchise qb is gonna rescue this team from mediocrity/losing are gonna be in for a rude awakening. Been watching this game too long and I know better. Your seeing the equivalent of this fictious belief on the defensive side of the ball with JJ Watt.
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How so? For as all world as Watt is and how historic his season was last year, there's a reason why he couldn't win the MVP trophy..

Yes football is a team sport..haven't seen anyone here say it wasn't.. But the QB position is the most important position in all of sports. If you have a very good signal caller you have a chance to win every week and compete every year. A great QB can cover up a lot of warts and a great QB is even more valuable than J.J. Watt because he touches the ball on every snap
 
If only Kevin Johnson or Andre Hal would have caught either of those INTs which were potential pick 6's in the 4th Q, we might have been able to avoided the disaster that is Hoyer trying to be clutch.

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Carr Bombed said:
How so? For as all world as Watt is and how historic his season was last year, there's a reason why he couldn't win the MVP trophy..

Yes football is a team sport..haven't seen anyone here say it wasn't.. But the QB position is the most important position in all of sports. If you have a very good signal caller you have a chance to win every week and compete every year. A great QB can cover up a lot of warts and a great QB is even more valuable than J.J. Watt because he touches the ball on every snap
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Well we had a "chance" to win this game with Hoyer and noone's gonna confuse him with Aaron Rodgers....Look the position is important and you can get away with SOME things with a better signal caller, just like you can get away with not blitzing a little less on defense to create pressure as long as u have a guy like JJ...but it's just 1 position on the field amongst 21 other guys. It's also the only position on the field that's extremely dependent on other positions on the field to maximize its effectiveness. For as good as guys like Brady and Manning have been, they're not able to look as good as they do without a ton of help. Brady ain't out there blocking for himself, nor is he catching his own passes... Plus if you've watched this game for as long as I have, you've seen enough good qbs be made to look like crap when somethings not completely right around them.

Likewise a guy like JJ can utterly and totally dominate his guy on defense on 1st and 2nd down snaps of a game... But if on 3rd down the damn CB gives up a pass for a 1st down, what he did on 1st and 2nd down don't mean ****.

i blame the media...for elevating the positions importance to ridiculous levels like they have...
 
infantrycak said:
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What a beautiful description.

For me this game optimizes Hoyer perfectly. Decent until it really mattered. I'll credit him for the scoring drives but he's also the reason we didnt score more. I know of at least 1 bomb he underthrew that was a sure score. His accuracy on the last 2 drives was jv and i never had hope he'd lead us to a win in that situation.

Simply put, he didnt win us the game and our offense is mired in average until he's replaced or we surround him with all pro gamebreakers we dont currently have.
 
Mr teX said:
yates didn't play any better in the Jets game than Hoyer played today...actually played worse b/c he had a TO and threw less TDs. Doesn't matter if a guy throws 50 yd bombs for Tds or 3 yd shuffle passes..still worth the same. .the only difference is we won the jets game and we lost the bills game... And the defense played good in the Jets game vs. today. However The qb play was hardly the difference in the results of each game.
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Jets defense is better than the bills, not to mention pretty sure Yates did what not many can, he went after Revis and won. Say what you want, but Hoyer has yet to beat decent defense this season. Wins against titans, jags and saints isn't all that impressive.
 
EllisUnit said:
Jets defense is better than the bills, not to mention pretty sure Yates did what not many can, he went after Revis and won. Say what you want, but Hoyer has yet to beat decent defense this season. Wins against titans, jags and saints isn't all that impressive.
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Yeah well Cecil shorts threw a TD on that vaunted Jets defense too so take that for what it's worth..
 
It's foolish to discount the impact of the QB position and it is even more foolish to try to argue for Hoyer's play at QB. The shittiness we saw today was exactly why no one wanted Hoyer to be the starter. Just when I was getting excited again about our team, I had the splash of cold water that is Hoyer's garbage QB play bring me back to reality. I'm so sick of garbage, retread QB play from the Texans. This entire city is desperate for a rookie, franchise QB. I would kill to be either the Titans or Bucs with Mariota or Winston.
 
Yeah let's blame the guy who had 300 yard and accounted for all our scoring. most of the people on this board are retarded.
 
The D said:
Yeah let's blame the guy who had 300 yard and accounted for all our scoring. most of the people on this board are retarded.
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No it's just a select few who I'm convinced never played a down of football in their lives or know the game..
 
People have been ridiculing Hoyer, and perhaps it's rightfully so, but the WR's have to help him out. 2nd to last drive: the ball to Washington wasn't perfect but Nate got both hands on it and didn't catch it. The ball to Hopkins on that drive should have been caught. The ball to Shorts late in the game (can't recall if it was that drive or not) should have been caught. Catch one of those three balls and there is at least a chance of a different outcome to the game today.
 
The D said:
Yeah let's blame the guy who had 300 yard and accounted for all our scoring. most of the people on this board are retarded.
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Going 40 yds and out before you even get in FG range 10 times means jack. He's ineffective.

He gets a little mini-streak going 2-3 times a game and manages to pull off a drive (despite having one of the worst play fakes in the NFL). Honestly do you want the ball in his hands down 4 with 2 minutes left?
 
JCTexan said:
People have been ridiculing Hoyer, and perhaps it's rightfully so, but the WR's have to help him out. 2nd to last drive: the ball to Washington wasn't perfect but Nate got both hands on it and didn't catch it. The ball to Hopkins on that drive should have been caught. The ball to Shorts late in the game (can't recall if it was that drive or not) should have been caught. Catch one of those three balls and there is at least a chance of a different outcome to the game today.
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All thrown behind the receivers ...
 
I get how the fan base wants to invest their hopes in a young QB taken early in the draft. The problem is if they do take one, it won't be the one the fan base wants. They'll expect him to 'win now' instead of allowing him to develop.

David Carr regurgitated.
 
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